Hey Scott, I need just a minute....
by Lanier63 on Nov 16, 2009 9:45 AM CST
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PrintOk, something has to give and you need to step up or step in and show why we coveted your hire for our franchise. First, yes I'll explain "our" franchise. This is a team that would not be in Kansas City today without the fans. The fans helped build this team through the years with our support and we kept the team in Kansas City when other owners were moving their teams to larger venues. (Colts, Browns, Oilers...) Lamar believed in our town because we showed we believed in his team. One became the other and we aren't turning our backs on them now.
However, let's talk a minute about your selection of coaches and I am not just going to "hate" on Todd Haley. I am not going to sit here and think for a minute that you didn't have your input into the Assistant Coaches Todd selected for this team. Whether its true or not that you guys were last in line to select from the coaches available last year, its still no excuse for the product your putting on the field. Several of these coaches have got to find the unemployment line.
It's also not an excuse to see what we have ended up with since the hiring of Todd Haley. I have long fought the fight against my wanting to believe every article that has come out about his attitude, yelling, cussing, berating players and down right child like behavior sometimes. But you know, when your hit time after time with a baseball bat, eventually something is going to stick with you. And after I saw this morning that Haley cussed out M Carthon on the sidelines, I thought to myself, this has gone far enough.
Pull Haley to the side in your office and take one of three stances:
1) Beat the shat out of him and tell him to straighten up
2) Fire his ass because of incompetence
or
3) Hire him some freaking help!
I still believe Haley can do this job and we can be a better team for his leadership. So I choose 1 and then 3. Make it happen and happen soon. You know, we aren't gonna give Clark twenty years with the current GM simply because he hasn't earned it like his Dad did. Your all on notice with the fans!
You sir, have more to lose in this scenario than anyone at One Arrowhead. If you can't make this team a winner, than you will lose all the credibility that you earned in New England. And furthermore, the mystique about your being the top GM in the League will fade so fast it will be like the Hindenburg falling out of the sky again!
Do the right thing, if not for the team, do it for the fans who have supported this team for the past 50 years.
Lanier63
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Where art thou, sweet Romeo?
That beeping you’ve been hearing is Crennel’s voluptuous ass backing up to One Arrowhead Drive. Don’t get me wrong, im not completely dissatisfied with Pendergast, I’d even love him to stay on as D asst., but if the lowly Raiders can find the hole in our D (albeit, the play was called back due to yet another Raider mishap) then we need a more experienced coach to spackle that hole.
AS far as the offense, is it too late to get Al Saunders back ?(In his Trent Green-era form, of course) The O did look better this week (stretching the field) but who doesnt against the Oakland Dance Team? Haley needs an O coordinator, or its up in flames.
I would love to see Romeo Crennel on our sideline.
Clancy’s running a cover-two defense with a 3-4 front—and his attempts to “spice it up” include lining McGraw up at middle linebacker. Please. NFL quarterbacks watch film, and they see that KC doesn’t do much of anything really spicy no matter WHO lines up where.
I don’t mind a basic, fundamental defense as long as the fundamentals are in place. Example: I’m an Iowa Hawkeye fan, and I haven’t seen anything but vanilla 4-3 from Norm Parker’s defense all season long. But the D plays with sound fundamentals and plays with attitude. Therefore, they’re successful.
Where are our fundamentals? Krumrie (line) and Clancy (secondary) are failing Clancy (coordinator) as assistants.
"You've only got 10 fingers to stick in the dike. Is there a breaking point that pushes you over the edge?...Where's the limit?"
-Marty Schottenheimer
by go_saleaumua on Nov 16, 2009 10:16 AM CST up reply actions
Ah and the Iowa fans start to come out!
I do think our D-line has improved ten-fold over last year though. And im not a defensive (or offensive, for that matter) expert by any means but the improvement in the line shows me why Scott kept Old Man Krumrie around.
And, if we had a guy like Romeo, his assistants wouldn’t look like such failures either.
I think experience has helped Dorsey. That, and good conditioning.
NT might have been Ron Edwards’ position all along.
My issue with Krum has to do with our defense’s inability to consistently bottle up a good running game—a job that typically, in a 3-4, begins up front. But that does have as much to do with the scheme being played, and the other players in it (i.e. the linebackers), also. So I see your point somewhat.
Any thoughts on Pendergast the secondary coach? lol.
"You've only got 10 fingers to stick in the dike. Is there a breaking point that pushes you over the edge?...Where's the limit?"
-Marty Schottenheimer
by go_saleaumua on Nov 16, 2009 10:46 AM CST up reply actions
3-4 Run Defense ends with good Linebackers
Chiefs front 3 are doing their job……Linebackers in some cases have not ! Linebackers are not filling the gap until 2 or 3 yards past the line of scrimmage !!!
It's a hard message...but a true one.
I don’t doubt Haley’s football knowledge, or dispute the success he had in Dallas and Arizona as a play-caller. But I seriously question his workload and, more importantly, his leadership skills. Someone from above needs to help him with this, because it’s affecting his ability to do any of his three jobs well.
More importantly, is Pioli comfortable telling his coach what to do? Remember, the model he worked in before placed the management of the team and the coaching of the team on two different tracks. Is he going to come out of his scouting/capology shell and assert authority? Does he already (and we just don’t know it)?
"You've only got 10 fingers to stick in the dike. Is there a breaking point that pushes you over the edge?...Where's the limit?"
-Marty Schottenheimer
Nice job Lanier, but it should read Dear Scott...
You know the power of a Dear letter.:)
Good move by the Chiefs org, glad to see LJ gone.
I have retired the Dear....
The next one I pull out will be to Clark again and it will be for someones head! lol
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.
Make it Pendergasts head first, and I will
co-sign on a Tuesday!:)
Good move by the Chiefs org, glad to see LJ gone.
rec'd and rec'd again. Perfect post. Perfect. The best one I've seen in awhile.
Right to the point. It’s nice to see finally, that some of us are waking up and realizing it’s not about bitching, it’s about demanding something in return for our years of loyalty.
We deserve a winning team. We deserve a superbowl. It’s our turn now. If we sit back and hit the “excuses” button we’ll never get anywhere. It hasn’t worked in over 40 years people. We can’t lay back and be pacifists anymore!!
Pioli better start doing some GM’ing or he’ll get driven out of town by all of us fans.
Many of us blue collar type can drive a fucking U Haul!
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.
lmao
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.
nope
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.
"WTF are you calling a Time Out For MOOOO"........"You F'ng Idiot".....
“You’re a F’ng running back coach, not a F’ng defenisve coach, we’re playing F’ng defense !”…….
that’s what I F’ng read !
yah he's pretty easy to read his lips too.
the superbowl exchange with Q and him was easy to read..boy that’s harsh stuff. That’s not right huh?
I guess you didn't watch the game on CBS.....plain as day !
You must’v been down on the buyou catching crawdads during the game !…….and running from a big alligator called Lanier !
LMAO...no I missed that...I didn't TVO it either man.
Thats great stuff…yah I was busy cleaning my claws for dinner !!
Better yet...a movie called ..."A Dead Chief In the Buyou"
I’ll let you elaborate !…..just don’t forget me on some credits !
If this was any other job and the leadership was botching this bad..
they’de get fired. Nobody would pay them millions of millions of dollars in such a fan involved business for this. This is inexcuseable now. We’re past the first 4 weeks for everyone to make excuses and get it out of your system. It’s time to swallow the pill of reality. We have a FUCKING disaster here in KC.
Seriously we have a major problem here with this team and it’s coaching. Horrible.
Mr. Pioli I strongly advise you to DO YOUR JOB!!
Yea! OFF WITH THEIR HEADS!!!
But seriously, Yea, we have a disaster on our hands,but you seem to be implying that its comparable to a tsunami reaching and destroying KC, when in all actuality, it’s just a little flooding.
The big wave hasnt hit us yet, but the water’s about knee-deep now.
Alright
In all Honesty what got said yesterday was dead on. They are JUST now starting to figure out what they have.
It is clear with how much explosivness are Offense has gained over the last two weeks that Charles is the man, Chambers are #1/2 WR, and Long have made our team much better.
Cassel who still had alot of bad plays yesterday actually had some good ones and is starting to show a GLIMPS of possible light at the end of the tunnel. Thoe O-Line played a decent game, improved.
Defensivly we looked much better upfront. Smith and Edwrard both played a good game I was really impressed with Smiths game. Maggee got one. Gilberry is pretty good. Hali had his best game. Belcher is a beast. Mays is tough. Studebaker looked nice in there and we got some turnovers.
I thought the coaches actually did a good job calling plays on both sides of the ball. They could of been better possibly but I am starting to see improvment every week. I am in no way satisfied. We got the win and improved as a team.
by kcchiefstd on Nov 16, 2009 10:55 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
it seems like people have forgot we were 2-14 last year. Yes, there is an excuse for the product we put on the field. WE SUCK. we knew last year we sucked, we knew before the season we were gonna suck, and big suprise we still suck. We don’t have enough talent to be a good team. We had a bad game yesterday, alot of it was ugly and sloppy but we won. We’ve played better in other games this year, and lost them. So ill take this ugly sloppy win until we get some better talent in here.
Haley has said himself that he likely won’t want to always call plays, but him an Gailey just weren’t on the same page so they had to go they’re seperate ways. Yea, Gaileys offense put up more points last year with Thigpen, but what benefit did these players get out of that. Running some stupid gimmicky pistol didn’t help anybody on this offense progress as a player, if anything it set them back. At least we are running a real offense now. Even if we don’t have the players in place for it to be productive it’s the offense that we are going to run for as long as Haley’s here.
Everybody loved how feiry Haley was and how he would get into those players thoroughly, and now everyone was wants to complain about it……? FOR REAL?
I understand as well as anyone that Haley’s in over his head and he needs help. I’m willing to give this guy a chance though. Give the guy one offseason before you start caling for his head
Chiefs 2010 big board-
Eric Berry
Dez Bryant
Taylor Mays
Rolando McClain
Russel Okung
First, he had one off season before this year started
Bad decisions were made about the asst coaches. I haven’t begun to call for his head and will give him the benefit of the doubt this year because of what he inherited. There isn’t a fan that visits AP that doesn’t know we were 2-14 last year. I’ll complain about his “fiery” nature because it doesnt always work. There are three legitimate games we could have one this year had Haley made better decisions. Dallas, Oakland and Jacksonville.
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.
well he's in over his head is his fault not mine.
I didn’t get him in over his head and I don’t have a contract worth countless millions like Haley does either. He chose to leave AZ and come here. He took the job of HC with all it’s responsibilites and duties.
He chose to fire Chan and take on too much. He chose not to hire an assistant to help him out with some of that. He chose to be the QB coach instead of paying somone to do that job. He chooses to bring in guys who haven’t played in 6 years. Remember that.
This was his choice and he came in bragging. “I’m going to bring the Chiefs back to kansas City” he said. He failed to mention that we would 2-7 when he brought them back, but it’s a minor detail right?
If you take a high profile, high pressure job that demands instant accountability then you get what comes with the territory. Too bad so sad. He needs to fix this team or get out. I didn’t make him take the job here and I want him to succeed so my Chiefs can win. But the problem here in KC belongs to him and Pioli. Not me cuz I’m not the coach or the Gm or I’d be doing something about it.
I don't remember ever blaming you for anything but,
if you expected this team to get more than 5 or 6 wins this year than you expected too much, and that is your fault. If this team played every game to best of its abitlity we probably wouldn’t win 6 games, but no team plays their best game every week. I don’t think his job is that high pressure because it seems like Pioli and Hunt both understand that this is gonna be a process and they are confident that Haley is there guy. I think Haley is pretty comfortable in his position because luckily for him it doesn’t really matter what the media and fans want. It’s what Scott Pioli and Clark Hunt want.
Chiefs 2010 big board-
Eric Berry
Dez Bryant
Taylor Mays
Rolando McClain
Russel Okung
I blame me really jr...
It’s the way I treated the Chiefs when they were young. Their mother and I we uhh well, we got married for the wrong reasons if you know what I mean. It was too late to have an abortion, they were already in their 48th season and all so.
by krayfish on Nov 16, 2009 12:10 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
cpa.....wwwwaaaasssssssssuuuupp?
hey what was that article you did a couple months back with all the cool numbers and stats in it? I been trying to remember it.
I think your thinking of someone else's post
But here’s the last one I did
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2009/10/28/1104700/if-you-were-todd-haley-whats-the
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Ok... fine. Haley and Gailey weren't on the same page.
Then Gailey should have been gone back in the spring – not ten days before the season opener. I don’t have a problem with Haley wanting things done his own way, but if he is unable to tell from speaking to Chan Gailey in the initial interview process that the two of them weren’t going to be able to mesh, then it speaks very poorly for his ability to evaluate his assistant coaches.
John
"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!"
And Haley and Pioli inherited a disaster. They didn’t create it
Chiefs 2010 big board-
Eric Berry
Dez Bryant
Taylor Mays
Rolando McClain
Russel Okung
no but they chose to inherit it and promised immediate contenders not rebuilding...
they said they can live with it.
they didn't promise immediate conteders. go watch their press conferences
from when they were hired again. if you have some video proof of these promises, post them for me and i’ll shut up
The only players I hurt with my words are the ones who have an inflated opinion of their ability. I can't worry about that.
Bill Parcells
Knowledge is confidence. And confidence lets you play fast.
Bill Parcells
oh great...kcguy...well this oughta be fun..my nemesis...(-:
yes he did. in his own words he said he was intending to compete NOW. He had no intention of rebuilding. He said “any 22 guys off the street could win 2 games” or did you forget that? He said it he can live with it.
and “hi”.
expecting to compete now
does not translate into “we expect to be immediate contenders”
he has already won 2 games and will win at least one more so i really don’t care about the “22 guys” statement
and for the record, we have been competitive in the majority of our games, so i guess he’s living up to his promise
The only players I hurt with my words are the ones who have an inflated opinion of their ability. I can't worry about that.
Bill Parcells
Knowledge is confidence. And confidence lets you play fast.
Bill Parcells
wow I think kcguy actually won that one...DaMMIT!!
oh well, you sir are a worthy adversary and I will live to fight again!!
oh that was just harsh..but deserved...
now I like you Cj…great…another friend…(sigh)…anyway…I guess I gotta write a letter apologizing for flagging your comment earlier this morning. They already know I’m an idiot so I’m sure it’s cool.
Sorry CHRIS And JOEL…I like him now so I officially UNFLAG him!
for the record
we’ve gotten blown out in more games than we’ve been in … lest you count the Debacle in Baltimore amongst this year’s “competitive games” I’d like to know what you consider “competitive”
we are at or near bottom in nearly every offensive category … oh, and same for nearly every defensive category as well … despite the appearance of a close score here and there, when you give up over 500 yds while gaining less than half that yourself, you are not “competitive” you are “lucky for a little while” and no more
against non-bottom-feeders we have looked totally inept (aside from Dallas, which ended in the same kind of theme people a year ago would have blasted Herm Edwards for)
this team is, at present, less competitive than last year IMNSHO … Haley is over his head (and smacks of Mangino with a visor), Pioli took too few steps to correct the OL until it was too late, the turnover is ridiculously high and the supposed “culture change” is a joke
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
where the hell do you get that?
You say so many unsubstantiated things and overreact so often it’s really hard to take you seriously at all.
Air Cassel - approved for takeoff
by kabrink on Nov 16, 2009 2:59 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
happy we won a game
take a bit of time to be happy about that instead of complain
Air Cassel - approved for takeoff
Probably too soon for the Hindenburg ref.
I still can’t believe it happened! Oh the horror!
by chiefsandcigars on Nov 16, 2009 11:19 AM CST reply actions
why, the thing blew up in 1937
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.
LMAO...true Lanier...it's been almost a hundred years...how long do we have to wait?
And is it okay to start the Adam and Eve jokes yet?
Lanier, I love your posts but can you clean it up a little?
I know we are mostly adults, but probably not all. Do you want some teenage (or younger) Chiefs fans reading F-Bombs?
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For fucks sakes
We’re talking about Lanier here and “cleaning it up”? Really, dude? Maybe you should go be filtering your internet or placing parental preferences on your kiddies accounts, because you’re wasting your time here.
Welcome to Chiefs REBUILD - Version 2.0 /The Clark Hunt Edition
Chiefs will be lucky to go 4-12 in 2010
by KansasCityShuffle on Nov 16, 2009 11:31 AM CST up reply actions
I think everyone that knows me on AP
will tell you I cuss less than anyone else. But sometimes a point needs to be highlighted and this was the time for me. I do apologize for offending anyone with my choice of words, but not their intent.
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.
After looking over some of the other stuff on here
Sorry to be a prude! If you don’t mind, just label it as Language or NSFW, or something next time, thanks.
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PR 101........"Never use the F-Word"
Head coaches are OK !
by CJ-in-2018 on Nov 16, 2009 12:26 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Hey at least you Wonna be? And wanting something is half the battle. J/K
See I knew it was gonna go here and someone was gonna talk about leaving AP. Which is why I flagged the comment to bring it to the attention of a moderator. Not because I actually feel the comment was that bad, but it’s the kind of thing that always leads to heated confrontations and hurt feelings.
Lanier63...
You sir are probably one of my favorite posters. I understand the desire to emphasize your points by using different words from your vocabulary. I just was/am surprised it came from you. In some ways it probably had its emphasis that was desired. I know you are one of the least cussing posters on here. I have even seen you decry others for excessive cussing. For me it had its desired effect because I read your post more than once.
To be honest, When I read these posts I was starting to wonder if someone had hacked your account. Maybe I missed it but something justs seems awry. Anyway I dont neccesarily agree with the delivery yes it did have an effect on me.
I do think we have a deficiency in talent. We might have a deficiency in Coaching. I personally don’t know. My only hope this season is the 89 Cowboys. They went 1-15. Then in 90 they went 7-9. If the Chiefs don’t follow this thread, I dont know what I am going to think. I will probably by pushing UC and some others for driving the Fire Haley Bandwagon. Until then I just want to watch MY team improve. I don’t mean a Herm Edwards improvement…about refs saying the players never quit. But a Marty Schottenheimer never quit. When their will is imposed on their opponents.
Again…Just my 2 cents.
WE lost to WHO?
I changed a few objectionable words a little while ago. Thanks :)
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.
by Lanier63 on Nov 16, 2009 12:43 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Thank you...
Did you know that your my her…..Wait absolutely NO Bette Middler references from me…
WE lost to WHO?
by Cowboynchrist on Nov 16, 2009 1:23 PM CST up reply actions
My main issue with Haley and all the cussing at players is this.
When we try to sign free agents who is going to want to come here if they think they are going to be cursed at on a daily basis. At the same time I had a coach say that I needed to be concerned when he quit yelling at me, but still he never cussed. Haley can coach the way he does but with respect instead of cussing. Go a head and yell Todd just keep it PG-13.
When you are responsible for disrespectful people...."sometimes you have to curse !"
Quote taken from every head coach in the NFL except for Tony Dungy & Herm Edwards !
This quote was also taken from many fathers of disrespectful children……..
you don't teach your kid not to cuss by cussing at him
nor do you get across the point of “stay in control and THINK and do your job” by losing control yourself
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
Funniest quote on this post today so far...
“it seems like people have forgot we were 2-14 last year. Yes, there is an excuse for the product we put on the field. WE SUCK” love it!!
Funniest quote on this post today so far...
“it seems like people have forgot we were 2-14 last year. Yes, there is an excuse for the product we put on the field. WE SUCK” love it!!
3rd Funniest was......
Calling CJ-in-2018 a friend !
Krayfish is a mooron along with CJ. I mean 2 guys who catches crawdads in a ditch along side the highway and eats them ?……..Nah……."thats just hungry !! """
OH...I Know you!...I saw you on TV last week!.....on......The Biggest Loser !!
hehehehehehehe
damn I’m funny !
yah but not for wieght...for being a loser!! I won..
I am a loser…and not just any loser…the biggest!
Guys Guys
Beating dead horse warning. A disaster Really, a disaster. I think some of us have a little problem with delayed gratification. I am so sick of losing too. I have been a fan since 67 and let me tell you a bout a disaster. Paul Wiggin, Frank Ganz, and letting go of Marv Levy are disasters, Losing every year for a DECADE is a disaster. This is a young team with a young coach who got a late start and had problems with his staff. Perspective people perspective.
David Logue
This isn't about instant gratification
It’s about the team being mismanaged.
There is very very little that even the most optimistic fan can point to and say there is legitimate progress being made.
We have a GM that is trying to run a team that has only won a handful of games the last few years like a 3 time Super Bowl winner run by one of the best head coaches in NFL history. Pioli seems to be out of his element.
We have a head coach who has shown no ability to restrain his emotions. How can he expect his players to keep their head if he can’t? He allows his emotions to dictate decision making rather than logic and hence makes very poor decisions.
Maybe Pioli will admit to himself that running his own show is harder than he thought. Maybe Haley will get a grip and learn that he cannot be an iron fisted tyrant with no self control. But we have seen no sign of it happening as of yet.
by ChiefDJ on Nov 16, 2009 5:46 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Rec your post Lanier:)
The thread was total BS
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them. Washington & Oakland!
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
ummm...
Never thought I’d see lanier jump on this bandwagon….
certainly not after a win…
Where’s all the good will after a win???
by callmesir
I am thinking the same ???
by 65tosspowertrap on Nov 17, 2009 9:41 AM CST up reply actions
never underestimate a legend...lol
j/k :)
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.
Dear Scott and Todd...
please put out the burning building that is the Chiefs with this bucket of water…
Your Friends,
The Fans…
P.S.
or we will get another who can…Captain Planet lives on you know.
by butchcassidy on Nov 17, 2009 12:26 AM CST up reply actions
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