Of bad coaching and commentators...
by bonesjackson on Nov 16, 2009 5:29 AM CST
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PrintI do have some comments about this coach and his decision making. I want to start off by saying that I am very happy the Chiefs won, I am just worried about it going forward and think that the Head Coach, The Offensive Coordinator, and the Defensive Coordinator have already cost the Chiefs games this season.
1. Todd Haley's Chief teams appear to me (I Know I am not alone) to be the worst prepared Chief teams (I would say NFL teams but I have seen some other teams) I have ever watched. His teams are in fact, much less prepared than the Chief team put on the field last year and there was far less "veteran leadership" last year.
2. Todd Haley's gameday decisions as a head coach are puzzling and terrible. Without a doubt, the previous coach was a terrible gameday decision maker. He was not as bad as clock management as Haley, nor at making decisions regarding 4th downs, 2pts, etc. Bill in Boston has earned the right to do stupid shit and say trust me I know what I am doing, Haley has not.
3. Despite the fact that the previous head coach was BBQ'ed for "calling bad plays", he actually didn't call offensive plays. Even if he gave the offensive coordinator a philosophy from where to operate, the fact is he didn't call the plays. Play calling has been nearly as bad as it was under the playcalling of Mike Solari (and far worse than under Chan) this season and yes, there is a guy calling plays to blame for that.
4. Personnel decisions. This is one place where I have to agree with Jason on.
After running his mouth and carrying himself like his coaching would magically produce five or six victories.
There has to come a point where you "play to win the game". Cutting Bernard Pollard (not one of his guys) for Mike Brown (one of his guys) unless of course you believe the conspiracy theory that Pollard was cut due to the Brady thing, was the worst cut the Chiefs have made. We have long heard the Haley defenders denounce the not resignings of guys like Jimmy Wilkerson, Kawika Mitchell, and Benny Sapp. Pollard is a better player than the 3 of them with more upside as well. Not to mention the fact that 2 of them were not even starters and the 3rd there was an attempt to upgrade. Would anyone argue that Brown is an upgrade over Pollard? Then you have the matter of Derrick Johnson. Maybe he doesn't practice as well as Haley would like and yes I would commend Haley for trying to get more out of him as I did when he did it to Bowe in the preseason. But like Bowe, there comes a time where the games must end and trying to win games must begin. Williams hasn't played Brown level bad this season, but DJ has been outstanding while on the field. I am sure there are countless other small examples but the only other one I think has cost us a game was deactivating Charles for our game against Oakland. Jamaal, is the only homerun hitter in on the team. You cannot take a weapon away for some bull shit.
5. His press conferences make him sound clueless. Well not all of his press conferences, some do make him sound like a good coach. But then some shit comes out of his mouth that just makes you wonder how this guy got the job. When he says that the timing between QB and WR is over rated, and that comes back to someone who hasn't played the game not understanding it. I only played football until 9th grade. But even then, the more the QB threw the ball to me in practice, the better those passes came to me in games. Also, yesterday after the game he talked about how well the defense played. Did anyone watching the game come to that same conclusion? What I saw was a terrible display of tackling on the defense and JaMarcus Russell and his WRs screwing up the passing game. There are of course countless other examples of press conference madness I have brought up before.
Like our shitty QB play, our shitty coaching must improve and I really hope it does in both cases. We are stuck with Matt Cassel and Haley for better or worse for the next 3 seasons. It would just be terrible to have to start the whole process over again in 2012. But I wish in the mean time, posters on this board would show some integrity and at the very least treat this coach just as they treated the last one (you know the guy who had actually won playoff games as a HC before getting to KC?).
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Oh.
My.
Effing.
Goodness.
Drop the Pollard thing. Please.
You think it's coincidence that I bleed red?
by Mully on Nov 16, 2009 6:06 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Everything else in the post is mostly fine.
I understand the frustration that comes with having a jerk headcoach. I really do. I just thank the heavens that none of you can do anything about it.
But man, Pollard is crap. In a different way that Mike Brown is crap, I’ll give you that, but still: crap is crap.
You think it's coincidence that I bleed red?
POINT IS
I would rather have young crap than old crap! Pollard was just fine, i would rather have a guy that hits hard and make’s the wideout’s think about it, than what we have with Brown in their. Pollard also got alot of strips,Brown does not. The whole problem with this team on “D” is pass rush and nothing else, until we can get to the QB with our front 7 our secondary is going to look bad. I think that our LB’s are the main problem right now, we just dont have anyone that can get to the QB. DJ sitting on the bench is another thing that just drives me crazy……….why………………T.Haley is he on the frickin bench you idiot!
Except the part
Where he says herm was a better clock manager then Haley. I dont get you Bones, You give up on Haley after 8 games but stick by Herm still after 2 seasons of the worst chiefs team ever. This team is better then Herms teams, period.
OHANA!
Where did I say I gave up on Haley?
Are you smoking shit?
Predictions for 2009:
The Chiefs will regret cutting LJ
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 3-13
by bonesjackson on Nov 17, 2009 12:15 AM CST up reply actions
I for one would like to see more articles bashing Brown,
considering that he had his best game of the season last night. I agree with Mully on the Pollard subject. We dropped one mediocre player and added another. End of story
Yeah....
Since the whole thing was about Pollard eyes rolling
Predictions for 2009:
The Chiefs will regret cutting LJ
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 3-13
by bonesjackson on Nov 16, 2009 6:33 AM CST up reply actions
Didn't say the whole thing was about Pollard
Just chose to comment on the Pollard portion.
by Fourstrike89 on Nov 20, 2009 1:37 PM CST up reply actions
wow....
what does that say about the guy when 2 INTs that are practically handed to him and 1 tackle is considered his “best” game?
get a clue
We dropped a Pro Bowl caliber player for a 30 year old who SHOULDN’T still be in the league. Yes, I said Pro Bowl. Go look at his stats compared to the other SS in the league… DEFINITELY top 5 material… especially when you consider he missed a couple games to start the year.
Yes and No
Todd Haley deserves every bit of critisizm he gets for the play calling. The decision to go for it on 4th and 1 at the 14 in a three point game was really bad and the play he called to try and get the one yard was even worse. So I agree with you on that one.
The personnel I flat out disagree with you. You’re right that Mike Brown isn’t good enough, but neither was Pollard. Pollard is younger, Brown provides veteran leadership, it’s a wash to me. The bottom line is we need to look for a long term solution in the off season. If DJ wants to play every down then he should bust his hump to do things the way the coaches want it. Guys like Dorsey, Edwards, Hali, and Williams have proved that they will play “Herm Guys” if they give them what they are looking for. Blame DJ, not Haley.
The press conferences are mostly just typical “coach speak”. I think it really has more to do with if you like the guy or not. If you hate him, then the coach speak drives you crazy. If you love the guy then it doesn’t bother you.
Your other two points I’m curious to hear more about.
What exactly have you seen to make you say that Haley’s teams are less prepared then Herm’s? If you mean that Haley’s late firing of Chan put the offense behind schedule, then I totally agree, but to me that is a little different then not being prepared on a weekly basis. I think an improved offensive line and a full off season in Haley’s system and this team will suddenly look a lot more “prepared”.
I’m also curious as to what makes Haley bad at clock management. The two times this season that stick out to me were the Cassel to Savage screen pass where Savage didn’t get out of bounds and the deep pass to Long where he cut back inside. Haley was pissed about what the players did in both cases and clearly stated that that is not what they preached and worked on in practice. So how is that on Haley?
On both the last two points you may have valid cases that I am missing. Overall I appreciate that your post had clear points and was not just a “Haley sucks, I hate that guy!” generic bashing.
Feeling "The Love" and "Drinking the Kool AId"
by KCporkchop on Nov 16, 2009 8:01 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
On those points
Press conferences: Not the coach speak that gets me. Wrote a whole post about how Haley comes off as just flat stupid. Hopefully just over his head and will learn to get it, but I dont know…
Preparation: Team does not seem ready to play. Case in point, was the Jacksonville game where the team came out of the gate looking lost. After a BYE, the team should be at it’s sharpest. This was only enhanced IMO by watching the Rams come out after their BYE and competing with the best team in the NFL at this point. The Rams came in prepared and almost pulled off one of the biggest regular season upsets ever. We show up after the BYE and do not look like we were ready to do anything except play run when MJD was in the game. It was just a general feeling watching that they didn’t look like they had a clue what the other team was trying to do until I started hearing former players talk about it. Maas gave quite a few examples on 610.
Clock Management: Either on Cassel or Haley either way it is on Haley since as QB Coach it is his responsibility to correct problems with the QB. How many TOs have been wasted because a play didn’t get out in time? How about using a timeout before kicking a FG to give SD (I think) enough time to march down the field.
Predictions for 2009:
The Chiefs will regret cutting LJ
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 3-13
by bonesjackson on Nov 16, 2009 8:30 AM CST up reply actions
Jacksonville DID come out in a different defense than what KC had prepared for...
That being said, I was really disappointed in the first three quarters of the Jax game. I was hoping for a sharper looking offense, especially since we have pass-catching, pass-protecting running backs in the game now.
I don’t think it’s a matter of preparation—the team is prepared to run the plays Haley calls. We’re just not built to run those kinds of plays yet (power runs, deep passes out of three-WR sets, etc). But I feel that he needs to do a better job of tailoring his system to fit his players. That’s my biggest issue with Haley’s first year: An apparent lack of flexibility.
"You've only got 10 fingers to stick in the dike. Is there a breaking point that pushes you over the edge?...Where's the limit?"
-Marty Schottenheimer
by go_saleaumua on Nov 16, 2009 10:36 AM CST up reply actions
So you admit Haley was out coached?
Jacksonville DID come out in a different defense than what KC had prepared for…
Predictions for 2009:
The Chiefs will regret cutting LJ
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 3-13
by bonesjackson on Nov 16, 2009 10:48 AM CST up reply actions
i love herm too
bonesjackson u are not alone
okay i have cereal palsy arhrtis and chronic fatiue as well i have a grea life loveing folks some days are better that other days i got a make a wish in 2001 saw my favorive team the broncos was the trip of the lifetime i wish everyone couild gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that ok but i bleed organ and bule
Again we prepared for a 3-4 Defense
and Jax scrapped that D. Makes one think maybe the Chiefs should scrap the 3-4 and revert to a 4-3 too.
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them. Washington & Oakland!
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 16, 2009 6:39 PM CST up reply actions
Again we prepared for a 3-4 Defense
We were out prepared. Shouldn’t have taken long to change the game plan, it isnt like we havent seen a 4-3 ever before. Do you even realize what the word prepare means?
Predictions for 2009:
The Chiefs will regret cutting LJ
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 3-13
by bonesjackson on Nov 17, 2009 12:17 AM CST up reply actions
I'm a skeptic, but I can roll with that. I've thought more than once that Haley was slow to take what was given.
But I’ve felt that way about KC coaches for years. Mismatches-by-formation that a good team would exploit as a matter of course.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
Yeah
But if you prepare for a 3-4 and get a 4-3 D.
KInd of makes you through all your prepared plans out the window.
Now you adjust to a 4-3 and maybe Jax runs some 3-4 and screws it up again.
That would be something I would love the Chiefs to do.
Maybe a 4-3 to start Pitt game, some UT D and mix in some 3-4, 2-5.
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them. Washington & Oakland!
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 21, 2009 6:40 PM CST up reply actions
I'm a huge fan of nickel and dime packages that feature a stout front 4.
Blitz-happy nickel ‘n’ dime are probably my favorite Ds.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
The offense DOES seem slow at crucial times in the games.
I’m willing to discount some of that on the basis of the number of new faces we see, week in and week out. A relatively high proportion of players snatched off waivers after roster cut-downs, in particular, but more recently that that, even.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
For the record
I don’t hate Haley. I am concerned about our future based on decisions made this season.
Predictions for 2009:
The Chiefs will regret cutting LJ
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 3-13
by bonesjackson on Nov 16, 2009 8:37 AM CST up reply actions
Agreed. Next year will tell us a whole lot more than 2009.
"You've only got 10 fingers to stick in the dike. Is there a breaking point that pushes you over the edge?...Where's the limit?"
-Marty Schottenheimer
by go_saleaumua on Nov 16, 2009 10:37 AM CST up reply actions
Wasted timeouts more than "clock management"
though they are connected in my mind.
Many times either the play is late coming in, or some confusion causes a time out. That also goes to being prepared by the coaches.
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Nov 16, 2009 8:45 AM CST up reply actions
Whatever you want to label it...
I do put the clock management into preparation. I thought Haley had promised us a team that was “situational smart”.
Predictions for 2009:
The Chiefs will regret cutting LJ
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 3-13
by bonesjackson on Nov 16, 2009 8:55 AM CST up reply actions
Coachspeak?
I thought Haley’s press conferences were poor right from the beginning – long before he made a single roster move or called a play. He didn’t demonstrate – to me, at least – the personal leadership charisma you typically see in an NFL coach. But I also think – with some exceptions – that he’s improved over time. That’s to his credit.
Coachspeak? Sure. All NFL coaches engage in it. They have to. But show me one example from Chiefs head coaches in the past two decades where something like what occurred this past week with Haley took place: where one day the head coach says that practice time with WRs and QBs is overrated, and then not only retracts that a few days later, but points out that he and his coaches actually do things to ensure that the WRs and QBs get extra practice time. I can’t think of anything like that ever taking place.
I understand when people want to minimize this kind of error. Haley has, in fact, been hired to be a football coach – not a PR guy. In a perfect world, we wouldn’t consider a head coach’s ability to handle the press corps. But I’ve got some news for you: this isn’t a perfect world, and a modern NFL head coach’s job description does include handling the news media, and being the face of the franchise. Even Scott Pioli said so.
John
"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!"
funny..
i was my worries immediately after his very first press conference when he was hired.
Just like novocaine. give it time; always works..
OK. This is a fair place to address this...
where one day the head coach says that practice time with WRs and QBs is overrated, and then not only retracts that a few days later, but points out that he and his coaches actually do things to ensure that the WRs and QBs get extra practice time. I can’t think of anything like that ever taking place.
I think this was #5 in the original post. I think the context of the original remark was in response to questions of Bobby Wade’s big reception totals the same week he arrived. Totally appropriate comment, even though you DO want your QB-to-WR combos to have chemistry and a lot of that takes a lot of reps. I think what was being said between the lines was the Wade simply had more talent than, for instance, Bobby Engram.
And the fact is, you stock an O-Line or WR corps or RB corps or (preferably EVERY position group – heh) with better players, and the impact is almost immediate. Do they get better as the communication and chemistry develop? Sure. But replacing a sucky player with a not-sucky player is going to INSTANTLY have an impact, more often than most are willing to admit, because the conventional wisdom is all about the chemistry taking time to develop.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
If I remember the play correctly
Cassel rolled out to the Right with Cox? as the blocking/catching? receiver.
Yet Bowe ran a post when he should of ean a corner to give Cassel a target.
Seems Bowe was messing up a lot yesterday. Lining up wrong and running wrong routes.
Now he freelanced? or ran the plays right a few times and great things happened :)
Haley has every right to “Voice” his displeasure at players that screw the pooch.
Did Haley screw the pooch on the 4th down play? Maybe, in hindsight, but the players didn’t do
what was assigned either. If we had scored a touchdown it would of been 20-10 Chiefs.
Game Over. we didn’t score and left the Raiders on their own 11 yard line. They did Nothing :)
We won a field position skirmish.
Now when it got hairy that 3 would have made all the difference. BUT, only in hindsight :)
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them. Washington & Oakland!
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 16, 2009 6:37 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, but on a previous 4th and 1
we scored on a long td run, guess he would have been dogged for that one too if the outcome was different.
Good move by the Chiefs org, glad to see LJ gone.
No, no, no. Stupid call.
Never should've given the unproven Charles the rock.</code.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
Bones I definitely understand your frustration
with the way Haley manages players. It’s not surprising to me at all that Charles comes in and has a 100+ yard game. It’s too bad it took LJ pissing everybody off to finally get Charles the carries. The DJ situation is something I’ll never understand. I think if they don’t like DJ’s attitude or practice habits, then play him until the end of the season and get rid of him. Regardless of his personality he makes plays so we shouldn’t let him go to waste no matter what they plan to do with him in the future…..
I can see your point but just don't feel the same way.
1. Prepared team – You can’t be one of the teams with the fewest amount of offensive turnovers in the league if you are ill prepared. We have a problem with execution but that is more about talent level than preparedness. And as the season goes on I see fewer mental mistakes, other than Cassel, from this team showing continued improvement in this regard.
2. Gameday decisions – Rookie head coach, end of story. The last Head Coach was with his second team and had over 5 seasons as a head coach. If Haley is doing the same things next year then I will be disappointed but I expect mistakes from rookies be they players or coaches.
3. Play calling – This has been at times terrible and other times inspired. If Haley doesn’t hire an OC this off season then I will be upset. I have seen much much worse play calling in years past from chiefs teams. And I think anyone who has watched the Chiefs for longer than 10 years can tell you that.
4. Personnel decisions. I think they have made some mistakes but DJ and Pollard are not part of it. DJ is exciting but he tends to be out of position more than he should be and with the coaching trees we have here that is a bigger sin than being untalented. Pollard has been one of the worst “good” players on this defense for years. He misses way too many tackles trying to go for the KO. Now Brown is not better and they probably should have kept Pollard this year but his time was up in KC either way.
5. Press conferences – Have you ever watched some of the super bowl winning coaches? This has nothing to do with the ability to coach.
Overall I like Haley and can see what he is trying to do. I think the second half of the season will start to show some real progress and once we get to have a full off-season with management and coach in place you will see some changes that really improve this team next year.
Anyone here ever been at a job where there is a major management overhaul where the style and expectations change? I have and it causes huge problems the 1st year, often you lose some of the best talent with your staff because they don’t work well with the new guidelines. But after a while things start to run smoother and you can see the reason for the changes. I think this is what is happening with the Chiefs so have a little patience with this team.
by tevans96 on Nov 16, 2009 8:13 AM CST reply actions 5 recs
Huh?
1. Turnovers have almost nothing to do with preparation. Penalties, mental mistakes, and gameplan does. The Chiefs have been terrible in those 3 areas. Cassel’s mental mistakes fall on the QB Coach, Todd Haley.
2. Your kidding right? Name another rookie HC making the same blunders
3. Acceptable difference of opinion. IMO we run WR draws so much that defenses know when it is coming and causes the other WRs to block so much that it leads to OPI which is unacceptable. Do we really need to talk about the draw plays? Solari wasnt much worse.
4. Acceptable difference. Everyone has their own opinion on those guys.
5. Never seen a super bowl winning coach come across as flat out stupid.
Predictions for 2009:
The Chiefs will regret cutting LJ
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 3-13
by bonesjackson on Nov 16, 2009 8:36 AM CST up reply actions
Name another rookie HC making the same blunders
Bill Belicheck
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And once Todd Haley wins a superbowl
I will feel more comfortable with him making crazy decisions.
Predictions for 2009:
The Chiefs will regret cutting LJ
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 3-13
by bonesjackson on Nov 16, 2009 9:12 AM CST up reply actions
Guess which coach had this 1-13 first year record?
Week Date Opponent Result
1 September 21, 1969 Detroit Lions W 16-13
2 September 28, 1969 at Philadelphia Eagles L 41-27
3 October 5, 1969 St. Louis Cardinals L 27-14
4 October 12, 1969 at New York Giants L 10-7
5 October 18, 1969 at Cleveland Browns L 42-31
6 October 26, 1969 Washington Redskins L 14-7
7 November 2, 1969 Green Bay Packers L 38-34
8 November 9, 1969 at Chicago Bears L 38-7
9 November 16, 1969 Cleveland Browns L 24-3
10 November 23, 1969 at Minnesota Vikings L 52-14
11 November 30, 1969 at St. Louis Cardinals L 47-10
12 December 7, 1969 Dallas Cowboys L 10-7
13 December 14, 1969 New York Giants L 21-17
14 December 21, 1969 at New Orleans Saints L 27-24
(Cowboy's should be listed here)
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by cpa913 on Nov 16, 2009 10:06 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
If you said Chuck Noll, who Todd Haley got see close up as a kid, then your are right.
This is Todd Haley’s first year. You would think the Haley hating would stop after a win.
(Cowboy's should be listed here)
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There is no hate
I am very clear when I say I hope he gets better. Are you too simple to understand that?
Predictions for 2009:
The Chiefs will regret cutting LJ
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 3-13
by bonesjackson on Nov 16, 2009 10:45 AM CST up reply actions
I guess I am, because to me it is very simple
He’s a first year head coach, a rookie, if you will. He is going to make mistakes, and he is making mistakes. Every time he yells at the players, it’s because he has not coached them to do the right thing.
I learned this lesson from watching Kawika Mitchell. During his first year, I used to scream at the TV during all of his missed tackles, bad angles,and blown coverages. But during his second year, he became a playmaker. I really started to like him, and was disappointed to see him leave.
I believe Todd Haley will be similar to this. He’s going to get better. If he continues to make mistakes in year 2 and year 3, then we can get concerned. I’m fine with agreeing to disagree with you, though.
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Disagreements are one thing
I never said hate. I said I hope he gets better, to which you seem to agree with me….I dont understand your point..
Predictions for 2009:
The Chiefs will regret cutting LJ
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 3-13
by bonesjackson on Nov 16, 2009 11:25 AM CST up reply actions
I guess I misunderstood
I thought you were trying to pick out everything that was wrong, and not consider that it’s his first year doing it. There have been many WTF? moments, but I hope we all give him a realistic chance.
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Here it is in the post
Like our shitty QB play, our shitty coaching must improve and I really hope it does in both cases. We are stuck with Matt Cassel and Haley for better or worse for the next 3 seasons.
Predictions for 2009:
The Chiefs will regret cutting LJ
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 3-13
by bonesjackson on Nov 16, 2009 11:34 AM CST up reply actions
yah no hate...just reality..
he’s doing a terrible job and Mike Smith isn’t! So neither is McDaniels. There you go. (Although Denver looks to be imploding now) haa haaa stupid Donkeys.
It’s alwasy some other team. NO MORE EXCUSES!!
Mike Smith and McDaniels both were terrible on Sunday
And so was Wade Phillips and Bill Bellicheck.
Plus both had more talent to work with.
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That was one Sunday. I'd trade places with those teams right now
to have my Chiefs be where their at. They have direction and hope.
Don't forget Rex Ryan
the NY media is really piling on him.
Mike Smith and McD
Both have much more talent on their respective teams, with talented pass rushers, and in Denver’s case a very, VERY experienced secondary.
Denver also has one of the best lines in the league.
Those really aren’t fair comparisons, imo.
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius, in contrary to Glenn Dorsey lining up in the 2-tech
by ArrowSpread on Nov 16, 2009 11:36 AM CST up reply actions
I beg to differ...they also went out and got talent we didn't.
WE gave ours away. No one can deny the amount of change that Atlanta went thru is historic to come out on top the following year after your HC leaves a note and leaves town, your GM gets canned and your QB goes to prison, plus losing 6 starters to injury in one season?? and you can’t even compare it? rEally?
Hmmm…weird how when other teams succeed despite the obstacles there’s an excuse, just like when we never do, excuses.
this is a big boy sport for professionals. You either do your job or you go somewhere else. No excuses.
Denver lost their franchise QB, their coach and had to learn a whole new defensive and offensive scheme. Sounds comparable to me. However you slice it or make excuses it’s about shutting up and getting your job done. Period NO excuses. McDaniels overcame all that and a soap opera off season to excel.
Why can’t we?
That is what I see from these guys
Excuses for haley and Cassel. What will they do without their scapgoat in LJ?
Predictions for 2009:
The Chiefs will regret cutting LJ
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 3-13
by bonesjackson on Nov 17, 2009 12:19 AM CST up reply actions
And Denver failed to decisively address D-Line.
And it appears that the cracks are showing, now. They’re getting overpowered at the point of attack, and the secondary that used to let their LBs spend all day playing downhill seems to be wearing down.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
lol
u can laugh now but den will still be abour 9-7 can kc make it to 5-11
okay i have cereal palsy arhrtis and chronic fatiue as well i have a grea life loveing folks some days are better that other days i got a make a wish in 2001 saw my favorive team the broncos was the trip of the lifetime i wish everyone couild gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that ok but i bleed organ and bule
You can't be one of the teams with the fewest amount of offensive turnovers in the league if you are ill prepared??!!
Yes you can. I live in Tampa. The Bucs are number one in fewest turnovers this year. Yah, the Bucs. Still think you can’t be a crappy unprepared team and fumble? What does preparation have to do with anything. You hear haley saying it over and again, that “this” was the best practice week yet. But we can’t win unless it’s against a team that outplays itself so we don’t have to.
Thank God Oakland let us win. We did nothing to earn that game. They should have annihilated us. They just suck that bad.
It’s not just Pollard either. We have Kenny Smith who hasn’t played in 6 years and we have Engram taking up a roster slot for no reason. We kept 2.7 around for what?
Seriously, it’s excuse making like that, that makes it possible for the Chiefs to suck ass and embarrass us year after year and get away with it.
Engram still here?
Good move by the Chiefs org, glad to see LJ gone.
Krayfish
What does preparation have to do with anything.
Uh. Everything. Turnovers or their lack speaks directly to coaching. Penalties speak directly to coaching. TB and KC are not the most talented this year. Taking care of the ball is one thing they CAN control.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
Engram's gone, isn't he?
"You've only got 10 fingers to stick in the dike. Is there a breaking point that pushes you over the edge?...Where's the limit?"
-Marty Schottenheimer
by go_saleaumua on Nov 16, 2009 10:39 AM CST up reply actions
Point still valid
Engram was around for a long time sucking up a roster spot.
Predictions for 2009:
The Chiefs will regret cutting LJ
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 3-13
by bonesjackson on Nov 16, 2009 10:46 AM CST up reply actions
And so was an unproductive LJ.
Good move by the Chiefs org, glad to see LJ gone.
So you agree
That Haley doesnt have a clue?
Predictions for 2009:
The Chiefs will regret cutting LJ
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 3-13
by bonesjackson on Nov 16, 2009 10:51 AM CST up reply actions
Nope, he gave LJ every chance.
Good move by the Chiefs org, glad to see LJ gone.
completely off topic.......
but the women in Tampa (Hyde Park) are smokin hot……..okay just had to throw that out there
by Hail2DaChiefs on Nov 16, 2009 1:09 PM CST up reply actions
you're in Tampa
I’m in Sarasota, we should get together for a game sometime.
The Greatest Trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
Officially on the FIRE TODD HALEY BANDWAGON.
Hell yes brother...the Bishop Planetarium rules...
I have a membership so I can go on Friday nights and watch the laser shows. my email is chris_ratley2010@yahoo.com
my brothers band "dark vision" plays out there sometimes
are there any decent comedy clubs there? I could come do a gig one Saturday and stay over and we could hit up some sports bar for a Chiefs game. That would be cool.
Real name is Chris.
I saw how smooth NE and Indy ran their gameplans lastnight
that is teams that have implemented and practiced their schemes for years.
They both added wrinkles and adjusted throughout the game.
The Chiefs obviously couldn’t play at either of those teams levels.
Last year, this year, and probably not next year.
We don’t have the Players, The schemes learned, and the experience with players in scheme.
If Herm stayed, Carl would still be here too, IMO
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them. Washington & Oakland!
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 16, 2009 6:51 PM CST up reply actions
Right on, Steve.
Talent generally will out, with a few notable exceptions. But one admires teams who have talent and take it to the next level. The perennial winners, though, are continually finding new ways to win.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
Something that struck me, tevans96, was the lack of flags in that Chokeland game.
Or was it just me?
Seems like they’re making less mistakes, of late. Seems like they’re gelling pretty well.
Of course, all that can change, starting with the O-Line, if Pitt goes all blitz-happy, and KC gets shook up front.
Also kudos for the “except for Cassel” comment. As execution appears to improve elsewhere, more and more I see Cassel being the weak link in a given situation. Tough season for him. I REALLY hope all the beatings haven’t hurt his state of mind. I REALLY hope that he isn’t the mediocre passer he seems to be.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
Charles 100 yd rushing only shows all the more how incompetent Haley is.
Why haven’t we let him run more this season? Why? Because we had 2.7? Seriously? that’s stupid. Why Mike Brown? HUHHHH? Really why Mike Brown? I don’t trust his talent evaluation at all.
He had no choice this time but to give Charles the ball, and look what happened? A good coach would have spotted that potential talent and used it more this season. haley is a dipshit.
If Bones said one thing that really hit home with me, I mean REALLY nailed it. It was the part about how unprepared we look. We look like a high school team out there. If you really think that beating Oakland the way we did somehow glosses over just how pathetic we are, then I would suggest deprogramming counselling. My God, I’m just glad we weren’t playing a talented College team. We would have gotten destroyed.
Our guys look completely befuddled and bewildered at times. It’s been a consistent thing all year long. We look okay for a quarter here and there and then fall apart big time over and over again. I give up trying to talk reality with some people on here. I’ve accepted the fact that no matter what we see in front of our eyes every Sunday we will still have the kool-aid stand open every Monday morning.
We looked as bad as we are against Oakland. And it starts at the top. Horrible preparation, bad coaching and mass confusion. thank God Oakland was the worse of the two horrible teams on Sunday and thank God their coach is a bigger idiot than ours.
yeah...remember
the post last week about..Chiefs have their best week of practice. ??.
Haley commented on how sharp, and fast the practice was…..Yesterdays game was the result of all that…..Gee thanks Haley
At least
We won after he said that. I get nervous when he says that
Predictions for 2009:
The Chiefs will regret cutting LJ
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 3-13
by bonesjackson on Nov 16, 2009 11:06 AM CST up reply actions
It seems that
Charles still had a minor case of fumbilitis, which could’ve been why Haley was reluctant to give him a ton of carries. After this performance though they’ll probably start givin him more and more.
Thats BS too
He has had three fumbles in his career. Twice last yr and the one against the Giants this yr. They were playing LJ because he had clauses in his contract about playing time. Teams just wont come out and tell the truth…..they try to make it seem to the fans and media that they put their best players on the field, but in reality, they cover their ass financially first because they dont want to take a hit because someone is outplaying the high priced guy.
Aint gonna happen
Predictions for 2009:
The Chiefs will regret cutting LJ
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 3-13
by bonesjackson on Nov 16, 2009 8:45 AM CST up reply actions
Your boy Derrick Johnson failed to wrap up on a key down yesterday
Turned a loss or no gain into a 6 yard gain. Thanks DJ. Derrick Johnson hadn’t panned out before Haley got here and he still hasn’t now. You don’t keep putting a guy on the field when he doesn’t practice and is out of position constantly no matter how much talent he has. He was already a failed draft pick when Haley got here, so stop trying to salvage him. He has had 5 years to prove himself a mainstay on defense and he hasn’t. Sounds like you are a little bit stuck on potential.
Press conferences – A ton of coaches in the past have been complete morons in press conferences, what are you talking about. Winning, losing, doesn’t matter. There are dozens of examples of Super Bowl winning coaches who start screaming at reporters or throw something. Coaches are ridiculous. They always have been.
Also your sig kinda lost me.
“The Chiefs will regret cutting LJ”.
In what alternate reality do the Chiefs EVER regret that move. I don’t care if LJ breaks a NFL rushing record next season, he sure as hell did nothing for us here.
One missed tackle?
Your kidding right? You really make a comment like that with the rest of the D on the field??
Screaming and throwing something is completely different than coming across as a complete buffoon.
In what alternate reality do the Chiefs EVER regret that move. I don’t care if LJ breaks a NFL rushing record next season, he sure as hell did nothing for us here.
Right nothing what so ever…. Other than putting the team on his back and carrying the team into the playoffs in 2006? Oh, doesn’t count cuz we lost right? Well in that “alternate reality”, Priest Holmes, Trent Green, and Tony Gonzalez sure as hell did nothing for us here either.
Predictions for 2009:
The Chiefs will regret cutting LJ
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 3-13
by bonesjackson on Nov 16, 2009 9:30 AM CST up reply actions
We backed in in 06.
Good move by the Chiefs org, glad to see LJ gone.
Backed in is nonsense.
We took care of business, other teams did not. Backed in is bullshit
Predictions for 2009:
The Chiefs will regret cutting LJ
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 3-13
by bonesjackson on Nov 16, 2009 9:34 AM CST up reply actions
We won one game that we needed to,
the Donkeys would have gone if it weren’t for a late fortyniners field goal.
Good move by the Chiefs org, glad to see LJ gone.
In other words
We had a better record than the Donks and made the playoffs?
Predictions for 2009:
The Chiefs will regret cutting LJ
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 3-13
by bonesjackson on Nov 16, 2009 9:46 AM CST up reply actions
I believe we had the same record, just got in
because of a whole lot of teams falling on their faces, what did LJ have that game against the Colts, twenty-two yards rushing I believe?
Good move by the Chiefs org, glad to see LJ gone.
No Bones he's right..
we fell backwards into the playoffs and had no business being there at all. Everyone knew it except us. We couldn’t admit it to ourselves. We started falling apart immediately after Vermeil left and we haven’t stopped yet.
We BACKED in. Like 5 teams had to do the impossible for us to make the playoffs that year. We weren’t in control of our destiny, and that’s what Eric is saying. We left our playoff destiny in the hands of 4 or 5 other teams to either upset or be upset in order for us to reach round one of the playoffs.
That’s not the way to do business.
Exactly Kray,
I love our team, wish 06 would have amounted to more, but that was the end of the Vermiel era, with a clueless coach running the show.
Good move by the Chiefs org, glad to see LJ gone.
You only control your own destiny if you are 16-0
If you don’t go undefeated, you need other teams to lose. Just because we needed those teams to lose the last game of the season doesn’t make a difference. Had the teams lost that needed to lose in ’05, I hardly would think anyone would be talking about backing in .
Predictions for 2009:
The Chiefs will regret cutting LJ
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 3-13
by bonesjackson on Nov 16, 2009 10:43 AM CST up reply actions
How often do teams with double digit wins not make the playoffs?
I know last year NE was 11-5, and did not make it.
Good move by the Chiefs org, glad to see LJ gone.
And had the 'Fins lost to the Jets
The Pats would have backed into the playoffs?
Predictions for 2009:
The Chiefs will regret cutting LJ
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 3-13
by bonesjackson on Nov 16, 2009 10:49 AM CST up reply actions
Did you not read the whole statement?
How often do teams with double-digit wins not make the playoffs, as the 05 Chiefs did not?
Good move by the Chiefs org, glad to see LJ gone.
That was my point
As long as you lose 1 game, you need others to lose.
Predictions for 2009:
The Chiefs will regret cutting LJ
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 3-13
by bonesjackson on Nov 16, 2009 10:52 AM CST up reply actions
I will accept a trip to the playoffs period
What was the record of NFC Champions last season? Once you get in, anything can happen
Predictions for 2009:
The Chiefs will regret cutting LJ
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 3-13
by bonesjackson on Nov 16, 2009 11:26 AM CST up reply actions
I usually agree with most things you say Bones..but not this time..your wrong!
Just being honest. You don’t have to be 16-0 to control your own destiny. You can earn your guaranteed playoff spot by winning your division. It starts there.
We failed to do that and we had hold our breath and wait for several other teams to make it possible for us to get to the playoffs that year.
Again, that’s not the way you want to do business in the NFL.
you don’t have to be 16-0 to get home field advantage and a week off in the playoffs either. You have to earn it. You have to MAKE that happen. Not get lucky like we did in 06’
How do you win your division if you do not go 16-0?
The other teams in your division lose. You back into it, using that logic. Even at 15-1 you are not guaranteed a playoff spot. Say the Chiefs went 15-1 with one loss to the Chargers, the Chargers go 15-1 with 1 loss to the Chiefs. At that point it is up to tie breakers. Which is how the Chiefs made the playoffs in 2006. Same difference.
Predictions for 2009:
The Chiefs will regret cutting LJ
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 3-13
by bonesjackson on Nov 16, 2009 11:00 AM CST up reply actions
No way do you miss at 15-1.
Good move by the Chiefs org, glad to see LJ gone.
It's possible
Very unlikely but if the only way you don’t “back in” to the playoffs is if you dont need others to lose than you need to go undefeated.
Predictions for 2009:
The Chiefs will regret cutting LJ
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 3-13
by bonesjackson on Nov 16, 2009 11:05 AM CST up reply actions
ok it's theoretically possible although it's NEVER happened
and clams could possibly fly out of my pants and ask me to marry them but I doubt it. (-:
Clams???
I read CRABS the first 5 or 6 times I read it. Better clams than crabs if you ask me!
Predictions for 2009:
The Chiefs will regret cutting LJ
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 3-13
by bonesjackson on Nov 16, 2009 11:59 AM CST up reply actions
You beat your division rivals when you play them and end up with a better record that's how.
it’s simple…and NE not making the playoffs at 11-5 is not apples to apples comparison. They have 3 superbowl rings since Brady arrived…we have how many?? oh yah that’s right none!!
WE don’t get the same leeway they do, they’ve earned it we haven’t!
OK
So you go 6-0 in your division. Lose a few non division games but the other guy in your division wins one more game than you did. Did they back into the playoffs?
Predictions for 2009:
The Chiefs will regret cutting LJ
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 3-13
by bonesjackson on Nov 16, 2009 11:28 AM CST up reply actions
Ha
Predictions for 2009:
The Chiefs will regret cutting LJ
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 3-13
by bonesjackson on Nov 16, 2009 11:57 AM CST up reply actions
BTW
It is OK to disagree. Backing in just drives me nuts because had those other teams lost those games earlier in the season we would have been in a win and in situation. For example, we beat SF in the 4th game of the season and Denver lost. Had Denver played that game week 4 and lost same result and didn’t need the so-called luck. I don’t like the term because it implies that KC didn’t earn the playoff spot. Who earned it then? The Chiefs did enough to win the tie breakers and that is how it works.
Predictions for 2009:
The Chiefs will regret cutting LJ
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 3-13
by bonesjackson on Nov 16, 2009 11:04 AM CST up reply actions
You have to admit
there was a lot of luck involved.
Good move by the Chiefs org, glad to see LJ gone.
I wouldn't call it luck
I call it teams not taking care of business. The Chiefs did, others didn’t.
Predictions for 2009:
The Chiefs will regret cutting LJ
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 3-13
by bonesjackson on Nov 16, 2009 11:16 AM CST up reply actions
I am talking about the "Chiefs will regret cutting LJ" comment
Apparently you are stuck on 4 years ago? I am sorry the NFL isn’t a retirement home for all the crippled RBs that can’t do it anymore. We are supposed to keep LJ around cause he was good 4 years ago?
He did nothing for us this season except look abysmal and slow. He hasn’t looked to sharp for the last 3 years but I am only talking about this year. When you say “The Chiefs will regret cutting LJ” you imply he will do something in the future to make us regret cutting him right? I was just saying, I don’t really care how well he plays for another team, he did not play well for us this year and we are better off without him. Priest Holmes, Trent Green and Tony Gonzalez? Where did that come from?
I know it’s great to look back and say “Wow LJ was actually good in 2006” but it’s time to let him go. It’s not 2006 anymore.
With Shields Roaf Wigeman and Tate...
Any back could have put up those numbers, they were that good!
(Cowboy's should be listed here)
Skins
Raiders
Who's next?
Man those were good times,
Eight rushing td’s against the Falcons at Arrowhead, 65-10, we stomped their asses!
Good move by the Chiefs org, glad to see LJ gone.
Priest had those his entire time
How soon we forget that LJ didn’t have Roaf or Tait.
Predictions for 2009:
The Chiefs will regret cutting LJ
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 3-13
by bonesjackson on Nov 16, 2009 10:44 AM CST up reply actions
Roaf was around for LJ, Tait was not.
Good move by the Chiefs org, glad to see LJ gone.
Not in 2006
The single season Chiefs rushing record year, there was no Roaf.
Predictions for 2009:
The Chiefs will regret cutting LJ
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 3-13
by bonesjackson on Nov 16, 2009 10:51 AM CST up reply actions
Roaf did retire at the beginning of 06
I will give you that one, but he still did have Waters, Shields, and Wiegeman.
Good move by the Chiefs org, glad to see LJ gone.
He had to do it on 416 carries
Compared to 336 in 2005. His YPC was down almost a full yard from 5.2 to 4.3.
Clearly, his production wasn’t what it was after Roaf and T-Rich were out of the picture.
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius, in contrary to Glenn Dorsey lining up in the 2-tech
by ArrowSpread on Nov 16, 2009 11:13 AM CST up reply actions
Oooh, forgot about T-Rich.
Good move by the Chiefs org, glad to see LJ gone.
Priest averaged 3.8 in '05
behind that great line
Predictions for 2009:
The Chiefs will regret cutting LJ
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 3-13
by bonesjackson on Nov 16, 2009 11:15 AM CST up reply actions
Coming off a hip injury in 2004
And above the age of 30. The signs were there.
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius, in contrary to Glenn Dorsey lining up in the 2-tech
by ArrowSpread on Nov 16, 2009 11:19 AM CST up reply actions
Huh NJ?
Good move by the Chiefs org, glad to see LJ gone.
to make it clear
Any back could have put up those numbers, they were that good!
Even Priest
Predictions for 2009:
The Chiefs will regret cutting LJ
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 3-13
by bonesjackson on Nov 16, 2009 10:56 AM CST up reply actions
Too many people are quick to praise Priest,
then deride LJ because of the awesome line. They had the same line as I recall.
They were both great runners behind a great line.
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Nov 16, 2009 11:11 AM CST up reply actions
Agreed
Predictions for 2009:
The Chiefs will regret cutting LJ
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 3-13
by bonesjackson on Nov 16, 2009 11:16 AM CST up reply actions
That's because Priest did everything well
He was a good pass blocker, and great receiver. He was an overall player, not just a runner.
(Cowboy's should be listed here)
Skins
Raiders
Who's next?
Bones, teams should be the sharpest after a bye?
Dude, teams come out flat after a bye all the time, hell even Vermiel teams came out flat after a bye.
Good move by the Chiefs org, glad to see LJ gone.
If I used the words sharpest and flat
Than I was mistaken. I was trying to talk about the team being prepared. So Sharpest in that case would refer to preparation of a team that had an extra week to prepare and correct problems.
Predictions for 2009:
The Chiefs will regret cutting LJ
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 3-13
by bonesjackson on Nov 16, 2009 9:34 AM CST up reply actions
Let me clear something up since Cpa keeps bringing it up..
not to argue…just my view point..
Being a rookie HC is one thing. He’s not a rookie coach though. He should have learned from his mentors and his years as a coach in this league how to treat people with some respect.
Being a rookie doesn’t give you free reign to be an asshole. Does nobody remember when Q got in his face at the superbowl last year? What did Haley say back? Remember? think about it…this is huge…do you remember??
He said “Don’t talk to me that way”. What a hypocrite. It’s okay for him to cuss out fellow coaches and call them out in front of their players? Are those playerers going to look up to and respect and trust those coaches after he belittles them in front of everybody?
Didn't he actually set the example for LJ?
LJ was just acting like his coach! That’s what you want right?
And yes I like Cpa's posts and don't have any beef what so ever with him...
just don’t see eye to eye on this subject.
But remember, all Haley has to do is prove himself and this argument is all for not. I’ll make the kool and drink it and serve it up.
by krayfish on Nov 16, 2009 11:31 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Thanks Kray
I do enjoy reading your comments :)
(Cowboy's should be listed here)
Skins
Raiders
Who's next?
Sounds like you feel the same way about this as I do
about backing in
Predictions for 2009:
The Chiefs will regret cutting LJ
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 3-13
by bonesjackson on Nov 16, 2009 11:35 AM CST up reply actions
well bones...I'm gonna leave that one alone..
you just go back and read the whole “sounds like you feel the same way about this as I do about backing in” comment and hum the Backstreet Boys while you read it over and over until the light comes on…LOL!!!
SUCKER!!
Todd Haley
Maybe our reluctance to to beat-up on Haley is that many of us know what it is like to be given a chance to do job where we lack the experience. I know he was an OC, but that is much different than being the HC. He is learning on the job and that is frustrating for us. I do agree with many of you that he should keep his temper in check. I realize that Haley has given his critics ammo with his antics and decision making. It could also be just a fools hope since we all love the team and want them to succeed.
Edwards is a much different situation. He had experience and should have learned his lessons prior to taking over the Chiefs. He blew the team up when he should have keep much of the talent that was here and brought in youth to integrate into the team as time went on. He also critized Vermiel’s passing game upon arrival and in his last season went into an offense primarilty predicted on passing the FB. All this gave the impression that he did not know what he was doing and would scrap the system at a moments notice and go off into a different direction. Based upon Edwards’ exp. these decisions were unacceptable. No NFL team wants Edwards and why should they.
Given all this, Haley will be given some slack and a little time before he is replaced. We will just have to hope he and the team improves.
Thats what I said
We will just have to hope he and the team improves.
Like our shitty QB play, our shitty coaching must improve and I really hope it does in both cases.
Predictions for 2009:
The Chiefs will regret cutting LJ
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 3-13
by bonesjackson on Nov 16, 2009 11:57 AM CST up reply actions
Stop quoting yourself
Unless you quote that you also want us to bash Haley as much as we bashed Herm, when the situation CLEARLY isn’t the same.
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius, in contrary to Glenn Dorsey lining up in the 2-tech
by ArrowSpread on Nov 16, 2009 11:58 AM CST up reply actions
I never said
I wanted anyone to bash Haley. He made bad decisions. I have read people compare it to BB and the tuna and Haley isn’t in their class.
Predictions for 2009:
The Chiefs will regret cutting LJ
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 3-13
by bonesjackson on Nov 16, 2009 12:03 PM CST up reply actions
This is where I quote you
But I wish in the mean time, posters on this board would show some integrity and at the very least treat this coach just as they treated the last one
How was the last one treated? He was terrible, and got treated as such. He came in with experience at the head coaching position. The situation is not the same with Haley.
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius, in contrary to Glenn Dorsey lining up in the 2-tech
by ArrowSpread on Nov 16, 2009 12:09 PM CST up reply actions
Whatever makes you happy
Haley is in over his head. He made it worse by taking on an extra 2 jobs. If you cannot be critical of him, than there is a problem there. Making excuses for him and his QB don’t work for him. And as I said I hope he does a better job.
Predictions for 2009:
The Chiefs will regret cutting LJ
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 3-13
by bonesjackson on Nov 16, 2009 12:20 PM CST up reply actions
It's not what makes me happy
He IS in over his head, but if you want me to hold him to the same standard that I held Herm you’re fooling yourself.
Herm had experience. Haley doesn’t, and is learning the hard way.
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius, in contrary to Glenn Dorsey lining up in the 2-tech
by ArrowSpread on Nov 16, 2009 12:34 PM CST up reply actions
He is an NFL Head Coach
He shouldn’t be given a complete pass since he has learned under one of the best. I hope he IS learning and not just blaming the fact that he doesn’t have winners for players in his own mind. A head coach shouldn’t get the leeway a rookie player should get either.
Predictions for 2009:
The Chiefs will regret cutting LJ
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 3-13
by bonesjackson on Nov 16, 2009 12:39 PM CST up reply actions
Sorry, but you wrote so much
that it was hard to remember seeing that buried in there. I was just offering an opinion as to the tmt. of Edward v. Haley, which I believe is valid. The coaching and QB performance can improve with additional talent, which may be obtained next season. I’ve seen many FB teams improve over a period of time with the same players and coacheds after having terrible seasons so I’m not going to judge Haley this early, but others are free to do as they wish.
This is a good post....but....
There are too many stark differences in the coaches and the situations to compare it. The most important difference is the coach himself and the amount of time that they have been coaching and been here specifically.
Haley has been a head coach and been here for half a season. Herm had been a coach for the better part of a decade and had been here 3 years. There is a grace period and it had clearly run out for Herm.
1. I don’t know how you can say his teams are the worst prepared. I really just think you pulled that out of nowhere to prove your point. His defensive gameplans have been decent (especially early) and offensively it has been bad execution and players mistakes a great deal of the time. Don’t get me wrong, he has had some real bad First 15 plays but nowhere near the worst.
2. Todd Haley makes decisions with confidence in his team. Too much a lot of times. He just doesn’t have a good enough team to do some of the things he tries. It’s different for different teams. I supported Belichick’s decision last night but hated Haley’s decision to go for it on 4th.
3. Herm dictated the philosophy and make no mistake about it, it was much worse. You have too short of a memory with this, clearly. The offensive frustration right now is not based mostly on the play calling to me, it is a lot more about the execution. Dropped passes, poor blocking, penalties, etc.
4. Just drop Pollard. The other decisions, the first has shown to make little difference. Bowe came back pretty much the same. It is yet to be seen what happens with DJ but its not as if he is or was going to be a Pro Bowler.
5. Can we also drop the attempts to read the coach based on his press conferences? He doesn’t sound clueless, he sounds completely disinterested in the media. It does not matter in any way….none. You have coaches that interact well with the media (Herm, Rex Ryan, etc.) and coaches who could not care less (Haley, Belichick, etc.) It makes no difference either way and I guarantee you he could not care any less how you interpret his attitude in his press conference.
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agreed about Herm having more time than Haley.
even Belichek had a learning curve. No argument there. I think the point about Haley making decisions with confidence in his team merits some consideration.
I think that’s part of the problem really. He needs to quit drafting up plays that worked in AZ and dumb it down a little. We don’t have Warner, Fitz or Boldin to work with. Or an O line that’s solid either.
He should make his plays cater a little more toward the talent level he has.
Good luck dropping the Pollard thing. He gets more and more accolades every Sunday in Houston so that’s gotta sting a little.
I think Haley sounds disinterested in the media too. That’s my personal take and it’s only our opinion so that’s that but the people have a voice now so he better care…..look at LJ’s petition!! LOL…
You can’t help but judge him on his press conference’s, that’s the only time we hear from him. He’s so secretive. He’s a secret one.
Pollard would be different for me....
…if he went on to excell in this type of defense….that’s why I thought he was dropped, cuz he wasn’t fitting the D…if he went to a 3-4 and did well I would be upset.
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1. Again that was a general feeling watching the team. I think this has been verified by people that know the game far more than me.
2. It sounded like he did it for lack of confidence in his team. He said that he felt he needed to get up by 2 scores which is an assumption that the D wouldn’t hold.
3. A difference of opinion.
4. I will not drop my beliefs and would never ask you to do so either. It is out of line
5. Why should I drop something just because the great and powerful “woodman212” says so? Besides, it isn’t his attitude I am talking about it is the actual shit he is saying. If he doesn’t care about the media, that is fine then don’t say shit that makes you look stupid say shit that makes you look like an ass.
Predictions for 2009:
The Chiefs will regret cutting LJ
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 3-13
by bonesjackson on Nov 17, 2009 12:27 AM CST up reply actions
Hmmmm...
1. You can think it has been verified but this is the first any of us have heard about us being so unprepared it is of historic proportions. I’m not saying we are doing well, but it is over dramatic.
2. Going for it on 4th down when you could have 3 means you are confident that your team can pick it up. When you have a lead it is not done out of desperation, it was a choice made with confidence.
3. No, not an opinion, an observation. Watch the games. Drives are being ruined by execution (Penalties, Sacks, Drops) far more often than the play calling.
4. Never asked you to change your “beliefs”….just suggested you stop beating the dead horse with the Pollard crap. He performed poorly in his technique and got cut. His performance since then is not relevant.
5.
Besides, it isn’t his attitude I am talking about it is the actual shit he is saying
Don’t realize they are related? He speaks in generalities and says as little as possible (hence coming across as a moron) because he could not care less what the media (or you) think.
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Can't you understand??
You can think it has been verified but this is the first any of us have heard about us being so unprepared it is of historic proportions. I’m not saying we are doing well, but it is over dramatic.
People on this board may not have heard the word “unprepared” being used, but it is talked about all the time. You in fact alluded to problems associated with a team that is not prepared when you say….. “Drives are being ruined by execution (Penalties, Sacks, Drops)” Teams that are prepared do not have execution or penalty problems. Teams that are well coached do not have those problems. Do you listen to yourself? Take the best coaches you can think of, and look at their penalty numbers.
Going for it on 4th down when you could have 3 means you are confident that your team can pick it up. When you have a lead it is not done out of desperation, it was a choice made with confidence.
Going for it on 4th in that instance means you have faith? In what a team that converted one 3rd down in the game? Your kidding right?
No, not an opinion, an observation. Watch the games. Drives are being ruined by execution (Penalties, Sacks, Drops) far more often than the play calling.
I watch the games and execution and playcalling are equally bad. We have negative plays because the play calling is bad. Haley calls the WR screen so often that the D sees it develop and causes the blocking WR to block before the ball is caught and get called for a PI. Maybe you should watch the games.
Never asked you to change your "beliefs"….just suggested you stop beating the dead horse with the Pollard crap. He performed poorly in his technique and got cut. His performance since then is not relevant.
There are a lot more of your so called dead horses you can go and try to stop….Except of course if you are the one on the horse yourself.
Don’t realize they are related? He speaks in generalities and says as little as possible (hence coming across as a moron) because he could not care less what the media (or you) think.
Generalities do not include the fact that Haley believes that a QB working with a WR is over rated. That is a comment someone makes that doesn’t have a clue not some generality.
Predictions for 2009:
The Chiefs will regret cutting LJ
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 3-13
by bonesjackson on Nov 17, 2009 8:46 AM CST up reply actions
Herm vs Haley
didn’t herm inherit a good team (old but good)
didn’t Haley inherit a team that won 6 games in 2 yrs?
I am not saying Haley is the second coming, but give the guy a chance.
We are bad, we know it. give the guy a chance. we gave herm one
Nobody is saying don't give Haley a chance.
Seriously, that horse has been beat to death. Just because we point out where Haley’s decision making is questionable, at best, doesn’t mean we’re giving up on him. He’s our coach. There’s no way to give up on him, he’s here. So we get that and we get that good.
Doesn’t mean when he does stupid shit, whether he’s a first year or a 20 year vet, he’s going to get heat for it. It goes with the territory. If he can’t take it he should get a paper route and get out of the spotlight.
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