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Five Good Stats by the Chiefs in their Win Over the Raiders


Yeah, this was a win but this is still a tough post to write. Yesterday was not pretty by either team.

It was so ugly yesterday that I almost changed the title of this post to Three Good Stats by the Chiefs. Really, it was that bad.

Most of these stats are colored by the fact that the Raiders are, well, the Raiders. JaMarcus Russell is one of the worst QBs in the league, which always helps your defense play well. But the Chiefs had some bright spots regardless of their opponent.

We'll get to the bad stats tomorrow but for now, here are the good things that came out of yesterday's box score:

  • Limiting JaMarcus Russell
  • Forcing three and outs
  • DL Alex Magee
  • RB Jamaal Charles
  • K Ryan Succop

It's all there, after the jump.

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113 yards passing by the Raiders

Yesterday marked the second time a quarterback had been pulled against the Chiefs, with Jason Campbell of the Redskins being the first. He was replaced by former Chief Todd Collins.

JaMarcus Russell did what he does best yesterday - Continued to give his critics ammo.

Russell was 9/24 for 67 yards passing. His QB rating for the day was 45.8. The Chiefs didn't' apply much QB pressure but they did come up with two sacks on Russell.

I know that the 113 yards passing was mostly the result of Russell being a terrible QB but the Chiefs' defense was able to do what pretty much everyone else has been able to do against Russell this season.

Half of Oakland's drives were 3 and outs

Eight of the Raiders' sixteen drives only lasted four plays. And four more of those only lasted four total plays.

Twelve of the Raiders' sixteen drives lasted four or less plays? I know it's the Raiders but the Chiefs' defense did what it needed to do for most of the day - never allowed the Raiders to get in a rhythm and made the easy interceptions.

The Chiefs only let the Raiders convert two third downs yesterday, which was unfortunately twice as many third downs as the Chiefs themselves converted on offense.

Is that you, Alex Magee?

One sack, one QB hurry and one tackle for a loss? Nice work, Magee. #71 doesn't play a lot but it's nice to see him maximizing his time. We haven't had much to talk about in regard to the Chiefs third round pick from this past May. It's nice to bring up his name.

Magee has four tackles on the season.

Jamaal Charles' 100-yard day

This is obviously the best stat of the game - Jamaal Charles' 103 yards rushing and 5.7 YPC average. His 44-yard TD was possibly the play of the year on offense for the Chiefs.

Larry who?

Succop continues to impress

Yes, Mr. Irrelevant missed a 52-yard field goal but I'll take Succop's stat line almost any day of the year - 3/4 and he hit from 50, 25 and 31-yards.

What else did you like from yesterday's game?

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Seriously, why did Jamarcus insist on that stupid hat?

The weather here today and tomorrow is stocking cap worthy…you’re in Oakland for crying out loud!

by jk86 on Nov 16, 2009 10:40 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

dude...

it was pretty cool there by the end of the game

by BIG_CHIEF18 on Nov 16, 2009 12:36 PM CST up reply actions  

even with the sun out, its still nice and cool in the bay area.

yesterday it was like that in where I was in los angeles, so i expect it to be cooler ove rin the bay.

But yes, i agree with the dunce cap :]

by worc on Nov 16, 2009 2:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Jamarcus the Hutt's hat

I think he was trying to get people to NOT look at his waistline

by TDubb on Nov 16, 2009 2:56 PM CST up reply actions  

To keep the Raiders fans interested when the game sucks...

He puts on that stupid hat and they play “Where’s JaWaldo?” trying to find him.

by radyman on Nov 16, 2009 3:35 PM CST up reply actions  

+1

And it was a W!

If you don't recount the problems and issues of the past you are doomed to repeat them!!!!!!!

by Fan of the Red And Gold on Nov 16, 2009 10:43 AM CST up reply actions  

im sure this has been discussed

but every 3rd down and more than 5, they bring in gilberry/magee at end, leggett would come in up top in the safety slot. Magee brought serious heat

and yeah, as long as we beat oakland, doesnt matter to me

by SDChief on Nov 16, 2009 10:44 AM CST reply actions  

Not a stat but....

On Charles 40 yard TD a number stood out to me on the replay and that was 87 throwing a key block. We’ve been struggling to find a TE that can actually block all year but it seems to me we’ve always had him and its curious why he isnt getting more playing time considering how horrible the TE position has been,

"Success is never ending, failure is never final."

by GenericBrand on Nov 16, 2009 10:45 AM CST reply actions  

Brandon Flowers?!?! What's wrong?

I dont think he had his best game. Again he bobbled to possible INT’s against Oakland.

But I think he had some close coverage both on the deep pass and the short pass

Haley told the offense to run it again. When someone said the defense already knows the play he responded, "So what, make it work."

by Jay Cotton on Nov 16, 2009 10:45 AM CST reply actions  

I thought his coverage was pretty darn good

He broke up a couple of deep passes that I saw

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by stagdsp on Nov 16, 2009 10:54 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree...

Covered the deep ball very well and also made at least one nice open field tackle to force 4th down. One dropped INT doesn’t sum up a whole days worth of work.

by Johnny Chimpo on Nov 16, 2009 10:56 AM CST up reply actions  

tight coverage is tight coverage, but Im sure Raiders recievers dropped two passes that would of made is day horrible had they been able to make the catch.

I like B. Flowers, But I just guess seeing two dropped Int’s hurt me

Haley told the offense to run it again. When someone said the defense already knows the play he responded, "So what, make it work."

by Jay Cotton on Nov 16, 2009 11:10 AM CST up reply actions  

Holy shit....

Heywerd Bay is fast…but he can’t catch

by Tomahawk_Chop on Nov 16, 2009 11:13 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure ...

This was the same thing being said about him coming out of the combine last year.

by JacinB on Nov 16, 2009 12:33 PM CST up reply actions  

+1

Haley told the offense to run it again. When someone said the defense already knows the play he responded, "So what, make it work."

by Jay Cotton on Nov 16, 2009 2:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Flowers makes tackles as well.

I just wish the interception that could be for the Chiefs started to be turned into ACTUAL interceptions. Games are often won by a team because they make those plays when they are presented, or lost by a team because they don’t make the play. (The missed interceptions by Flowers & Leggett need to become turnovers for the Chiefs to get things turned around)

by Chief1 on Nov 16, 2009 2:12 PM CST up reply actions  

My sentiment exactly

Haley told the offense to run it again. When someone said the defense already knows the play he responded, "So what, make it work."

by Jay Cotton on Nov 16, 2009 2:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Flowers dropped pic in Raiders Game 1. I hate to say, could of/ should of won the game for us

Haley told the offense to run it again. When someone said the defense already knows the play he responded, "So what, make it work."

by Jay Cotton on Nov 16, 2009 2:15 PM CST up reply actions  

agreed

his coverage allowed Mike Brown’s first interception

by TDubb on Nov 16, 2009 2:59 PM CST up reply actions  

I disagree.

He played well. He missed two int he should have had (although Brown snapped up one of them anyways). He broke up lots of deep passes and should have had two picks. For him to take the next step to probowl CB he needs to cathc those int. I think he continues to get better and better.

by saskwatch on Nov 16, 2009 11:30 AM CST up reply actions  

True That

It wasn’t a dis-comment, more of a Come on Man!!! comment. I think he would made the highlight reel

Haley told the offense to run it again. When someone said the defense already knows the play he responded, "So what, make it work."

by Jay Cotton on Nov 16, 2009 2:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Jamaal Charles lost himself

Just like my post about him breaking out. He got caught up in doing his best and running his legs off to make plays.

Congrats to Charles for showing how good he can be and proving my post right…

I take full credit for Jamaal’s performance….yes…your welcome…

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by Matt_Grbac on Nov 16, 2009 10:47 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

How many fumbles did Charles have?

Dude is a liability every time he touches the ball. Man up and start squeezing a tennis ball, work on that dainty grip.

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by HIV 2 Elway on Nov 16, 2009 3:07 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

How many fumbles did Charles have?

Dude is a liability every time he touches the ball. Man up and start squeezing a tennis ball, work on that dainty grip.

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by HIV 2 Elway on Nov 16, 2009 3:09 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

How many fumbles did Charles have?

Dude is a liability every time he touches the ball. Man up and start squeezing a tennis ball, work on that dainty grip.

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by HIV 2 Elway on Nov 16, 2009 3:09 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

How many fumbles did Charles have?

Dude is a liability every time he touches the ball. Man up and start squeezing a tennis ball, work on that dainty grip.

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by HIV 2 Elway on Nov 16, 2009 3:10 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

yikes

after the 5th time you said that…

I totally disagree, still

I’ll take a fumble now and then if he gets 100yds and a TD… besides, wasn’t this one just a bad handoff?

AP fumbled for the Vikes, too… but I’d say he’s worth it as well.

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
* Stats are for losers

by stagdsp on Nov 16, 2009 3:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Yep
besides, wasn’t this one just a bad handoff?

Haley was even shown telling Cassel that one was on him.

by bh13 on Nov 16, 2009 10:58 PM CST up reply actions  

How many fumbles did Charles have?

Dude is a liability every time he touches the ball. Man up and start squeezing a tennis ball, work on that dainty grip.

"What?!?! I aint no Obama for the weed!"
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by HIV 2 Elway on Nov 16, 2009 3:12 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Damn, I blame that on shitty mobile service in Denver's airport.

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by HIV 2 Elway on Nov 16, 2009 5:17 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Maybe its not Denver, fuck this phone

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by HIV 2 Elway on Nov 16, 2009 5:24 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Damn, I blame that on shitty mobile service in Denver's airport.

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by HIV 2 Elway on Nov 16, 2009 5:19 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Damn, I blame that on shitty mobile service in Denver's airport.

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by HIV 2 Elway on Nov 16, 2009 5:21 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

You go Matty! I was just thinking about your post "lose yourself"

because it keeps lingering on the right hand column!! Right now we could use a little M&M

marty and montana!! BRING IT BIT*he$!!

by krayfish on Nov 16, 2009 10:49 AM CST reply actions  

wins

against the redskins and raiders, sigh, lets see what the other 7 games bring.

by antwan1977 on Nov 16, 2009 10:49 AM CST reply actions  

The donkeys couldnt even beat the redskins

hahahahahahaha. I still love watching denver implode every year.

For justice we must go to Don Pioli

by Sudden on Nov 16, 2009 11:38 AM CST up reply actions  

The offense looked better.

Not great, but less stagnant. There are worse defenses than Oakland so the offense can be encouraging.

The defense? Can’t really tell. Our best defender was probably Jamarcus Russel. I know we had a couple injuries but the defense didn’t really impress me much. Hold the Steelers next week, then get back to me.

Charles was gold. KEEP RUNNING THE BALL!

They need consistency. Where do you get consistency? Running the Football.

- Jimmy Johnson

by Lucasjr5 on Nov 16, 2009 10:49 AM CST reply actions  

Except for the one huge rush to start the game

Our run D was great. The one thing the Raiders do well is run the ball. They couldn’t yesterday.

by Chief-Eli on Nov 16, 2009 11:51 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

To be fair...

our run defense was aided by the fact that we knew russell couldn’t throw the ball into the ocean….from a boat five miles out….somehow he would miss

by Tomahawk_Chop on Nov 16, 2009 11:53 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Oh and another thing...

Sure glad they didn’t have Jeff Garcia… Then a QB change may have scared me a little bit.

by Lucasjr5 on Nov 16, 2009 10:51 AM CST reply actions  

+100

Wow, what fools they are out there in Oakland… Garcia would be their best QB by far!

by Skrappy on Nov 16, 2009 11:41 AM CST up reply actions  

Just think...

If we finished the Cowgirls off…and beat the Raiders the first time…god d—-mit

by Tomahawk_Chop on Nov 16, 2009 11:04 AM CST reply actions  

Yup we would be 4-5

And singing Todd Haley’s praises

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by Scaryclouds on Nov 16, 2009 12:52 PM CST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

The offense

finally decided to put a couple of balls downfield to help open it up for the running game. So what Cassel got a pick; the D came to work and did what they needed to and maybe with more work we can score more than 16 points regularly.

by His Royal Greatness on Nov 16, 2009 11:08 AM CST reply actions  

I'll take that...

pick any day…going down feild on 3rd and long

by Tomahawk_Chop on Nov 16, 2009 11:08 AM CST up reply actions  

They threw down field a lot more

Most of the problems were execution problems and that falls on the players. Fumbles, botched snaps…there is nothing the coaches can do about that. The Chiefs made a lot of blunders yesterday but they also made a lot of plays.

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by Patrick Allen on Nov 16, 2009 11:11 AM CST reply actions  

exactly

The only thing coaches can do about that is continue to coach and to instill mental discipline. But, our resident Haley critics don’t like it when he tries to do that.

Air Cassel - approved for takeoff

by kabrink on Nov 16, 2009 2:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Was it me?

I thought as I have most of the season that when the Chiefs were playing in an up tempo mode they moved the ball the best. But some reason it would only last for a while then it would slow down again. Every time the offense struggles it seems like they are playing as slow as possible, but when the tempo speeds up everyone seems more into the game and executes better. Maybe it’s just me.

is it me? or isn't about time the Lamar Hunt trophy belonged to His team?

This Chiefs team is closer to a new expansion team than it is a playoff contender, your expectations should match that.

by KC Fanatic on Nov 16, 2009 11:18 AM CST reply actions  

"Limiting JaMarcus Russell"

Hah. We can’t take any credit for that, nobody does a better job at that than JaMarcus himself

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by KansasCityShuffle on Nov 16, 2009 11:20 AM CST reply actions  

Unless it's his receivers...

I remember Dawson to Taylor, Kenney to Carson, and Blackledge catching the snap in his facemask. Seen it all...

by BinSC on Nov 16, 2009 11:49 AM CST up reply actions  

don't get me wrong, Russell is horrible

But, just like Cassel, he had a LOT of passes that were accurate and on the hands of his receivers that they just plunked and dropped.

Air Cassel - approved for takeoff

by kabrink on Nov 16, 2009 2:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Charles ypc

I mentioned this somewhere else but it bears repeating. Even when you take off that longest run of 44 yds, his average is about 3.47 yds/carry.

Blame my wife!
Waiting until August 2010

by sir eccles on Nov 16, 2009 11:26 AM CST reply actions  

but the fact of the matter is

that he DID have that 44 yard carry. Ill take three yard gains all day long if he can potentially break a huge td run every game

A man who says he can, and a man who says he can't are both right. Which one are you?

by Bashman on Nov 16, 2009 12:47 PM CST up reply actions  

I should explain

One of the favorite ways of analyzing a performance is to take off the outlier (the longest run, longest reception etc) and see if the numbers still look good. A lot of the time when this was done with LJ’s numbers this year and last, it really highlighted his problems.

Blame my wife!
Waiting until August 2010

by sir eccles on Nov 16, 2009 1:31 PM CST up reply actions  

JaMarcus road warrior

 Please JaMarcus cut that stupid mohawk off. Not a fitting image of a NFL quarterback. For a lineman or linebacker,but not a QB.

by Digital on Nov 16, 2009 11:29 AM CST reply actions  

Good thing JaMarcus isn't a QB

10/19/09: The Chiefs are on their way to an 11-5 season...I think....
10/26/09: Okay, so it'll be 10-6, I can live with that...
11/9/09: So KC spots the league 7 games. 9-7 is respectable.

by mushin on Nov 16, 2009 11:57 AM CST up reply actions  

I think....

The oakland receivers played worse than Jamarcus Russel they dropped like 14 passes but thank goodness for that right? lol

by IamtheGreatest on Nov 16, 2009 11:37 AM CST reply actions  

QB Play...

Cassel finally just threw the ball to his WRs and let them be WRs. You have to allow for your players to make plays and when Cassel was holding on to the ball and not risking the pass, nothing happened. Chambers and Bowe are bigger then any DBs in the league. As much as people complain about Bowe and his hands… he makes plays. When there is one on one coverage, you throw it up there and make them earn their pay checks. I like having Chambers on the team… he is not washed up and is very good still. He will also be a great compromise to Bowe. Chiefs should draft Golden Tate to give Cassel another great option when throwing the ball.

The bottom line is… Cassel had one his best games of the season, even though Stats did not show it. Someone finally got to him and said “Just throw the ball”… and he did.

Not a stat… but great to see.

by SwimCoach on Nov 16, 2009 11:46 AM CST reply actions  

Bowe's HANDS are not the problem...

it is him letting the ball get to his chest…everyone who has played any reciever should know…catch the ball with your hands, don’t hug it

by Tomahawk_Chop on Nov 16, 2009 11:50 AM CST reply actions  

like

DHB’s last volleyball / catch attempt? Besided DBowe can’t make the easy catch. He makes all of the tough ones. Did you see the one handed catch that was out of bounds?

by kc571 on Nov 16, 2009 12:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Other good things

One of my absolute favorite things about yesterday’s game was seeing that this defense now seems to know how to defend against a bootleg pass. There were at least two of them that were defended PERFECTLY. I they even tried to roll both right and left and our D covered it. After seeing us get burned time and again for the last 2 seasons to see our D do a perfect job was, for me, like water to a man dying of thirst.

I thought that Bowe ran better routes than I’ve seen him run in the past. I think Chambers presence is going to make Bowe a better player as well. I’m very excited about where we are with our receiving corp right now. It’s taken time but I think that by the end of the season this group will be making us a solid offense.

Other than some problems Alleman had I think the O line was much better. Cottam and Pope are a definite upgrade over Ryan.

Lots of problems to fix still, but some very positive trends. I hope we bring in a couple of safeties in the next couple of weeks.

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by Big Chief on Nov 16, 2009 12:19 PM CST reply actions  

Agree

Agree about the OL play it seemed as if they are starting to play together, seemed to give Cassel more time to throw the ball then he has all year. Note: Cassel step into 1 of the 2 sacks Oakland had IMO

by DLChiefs on Nov 16, 2009 2:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Teaching my wife about Jamarcus Russell.

My wife, a little high on Benadryl, sat with me and watched the game yesterday. She knows the Chiefs pretty well, but doesn’t much care about the NFL beyond that. She asked me, “Who’s [the Raiders’] quarterback?”

I said, “Jamarcus Russell. Worst QB in the NFL.”

The Raiders, at that point, had the ball and had just handed off for a two yard gain. The next play, Jamarcus threw it. As soon as I saw it was a pass play, I said, “It’s going to be incomplete.”

It was.

The next play, he also threw. I said, before it left his hand, “This is going to be a bad pass.” It was. It landed at his receiver’s feet. And then they punted.

She said, “Does he play that bad every game?”

“Pretty much.”

This happened again, pretty much in this same order, on the Raiders’ next two drives as well.

She shook her head. “They really need to pull him.”

I shook my head, “Nope. The longer they keep him playing, the better chances are that we’ll win.”

At that point, she went back to bed.

by JacinB on Nov 16, 2009 12:41 PM CST reply actions  

nice...

i had a similar conversation with my girlfriend this week. She said “Well he can’t be any worse than Cassel”

(obviously not a big fan of his)

Eventually she agreed with me about JR and is thankful we arent Faders fans

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by Bashman on Nov 16, 2009 12:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Andy Studebaker

This kid has gotta to get more playing time. All I see was him every game – if not special teams tackle – in the Oak game – all he does is show up wherever the ball is.

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Larry Johnson will be a top 3 fantasy pick once again in 2010 (after a monster season in 2009.)
Dwayne Bowe will be a 2009 Pro Bowl selection.
Brandon Flowers will have at least 6 INTs in 2009 season.
Todd Haley will have a sideline shouting match caught on TV yelling at one of his asst. coaches.

by 58 was my friend on Nov 16, 2009 12:43 PM CST reply actions  

Belcher, too

he had a HUGE tackle on special teams, and I like the way he plays on defense as well

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* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
* Stats are for losers

by stagdsp on Nov 16, 2009 12:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Yep

Vrabel went out with that injury, and just a few plays later, Studebaker batted down a 3rd down pass.

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by PVChiefsfan on Nov 16, 2009 12:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Like to see Dorsey getting more cosistent with 5 tackles

Chiefs LBs had the most tackles, nice to see our CB & S aren’t having to save the day all day.

Still want to see more out of T Jackson though.

by Your_Moms_Boyfriend on Nov 16, 2009 1:29 PM CST reply actions  

We are getting worse not better, Raiders hand us the win.

Lets be honest, as bad as Russell is it was the Raiders and not the KC D that held Oakland down in regards to passing yards. We play any other team and those wide open WRers that dropped all those passes do not drop them and the catch is made. You add in the reason Cable said that he pulled Russell, which was that on a few plays before he was pulled there were wide open wide recievers where he should have went with the ball and he did not.

My point is any other team with a average QB and WRers make those plays. Any other team we do not catch a brake having huge gains against us brought back because of so many calls from the ref’s.

Any other team that we would have played given all the same plays we gave the Raiders to make on both sides of the ball and we are blowen out.

I know we are looking for a bright spot but, the Raiders really beat themselves yesterday and the win had very little to do with how good we played in any phase of the game.

If anything, compared to the first game in which we played the Raiders in the game they won. We have fallen further behind because the Raiders dominated much of the game and if not for them not making the plays we won. The plays were all there, given to them by us to make. And the part that bothers me is, you give all those chances or plays to any other team and they kill us.

And take away that 1 big run on 4th and 1 and are back really had a poor ball running the ball, the Raiders D line dominated our line for much of the game.

by snnyjcbs on Nov 16, 2009 3:47 PM CST reply actions  

Just the opposite

Of our first game against the Raiders. I’ll take this one in trade !!

I'm not a smart man

by Gumpster on Nov 16, 2009 8:16 PM CST reply actions  

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