Is Sean Ryan the worst player in the NFL?
by Offense of the 70s on Nov 13, 2009 11:51 AM CST
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He's one of the very worst players out there, according to the numbers on this website: Pro Football focus.
http://profootballfocus.com/cstats.php?tab=by_team&season=2009&teamid=16&stype=a&stats=o
PFF watches film of every play and rates each player on every snap. Ryan gets an overall rating of -20.1, which is worst on the team and one of the very worst in the league.
He's played 469 offensive snaps, and has allowed 2 sacks, 3 QB hits and 3 QB pressures. He's committed 5 penalties, has dropped 4 of the 18 passes that have hit him in the hands, and has also fumbled once. (not included in the numbers: he very nearly fumbled one of his two TD catches-- if he had, his numbers would be even worse.)
He's rated as the worst overall TE in the league out of the 898 players listed there . He is ranked last in the league at pass blocking for TEs, and ranks 82nd of 89 TEs in run blocking. This guy does nothing well, and I'd say that he's the worst player in the league-- if only we didn't have Cottam and O'Connell backing him up who can't even take playing time away from him. (Since he's been here, Pope at least has taken some PT away from Ryan, but not enough, only getting 108 snaps.)
Ryan surely isn't the only problem on the team, and he probably isn't the biggest problem, but he is a problem, and something needs to be done about it.
This offense would be noticeably better if we played Pope more often (who is at least a decent receiver) or added a blocking TE who can actually block (sure wish we had picked up Hartsock after he was cut) or if we just didn't even bother with a TE at all. Hopefully we'll see a lot more of Pope this week, and maybe find a TE soon who can block at all.
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I suspect
he’ll be gone in the offseason- but he’s probably here to stay for the rest of the year. and yes I hate him, i hated him before he gave the chargers the ball and it looks like a matt cassel interception, i hated him before he scored our 2nd TD in baltimore, i hated him before he had a pretty good game against the rams in the pre-season. Did i mention i hate him?
by CHIEFER on Nov 13, 2009 11:57 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Not sure why Cottam or O'Connell are not playing.
What, their worse? At least they are younger and could use some game time.
I remember Dawson to Taylor, Kenney to Carson, and Blackledge catching the snap in his facemask. Seen it all...
by BinSC on Nov 13, 2009 11:57 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Quick answer...
YES!!!
The dude is TERRIBLE! The worst blocking I have ever seen by a TE.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Nov 13, 2009 11:58 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Mike Cox is dead last in FB as well...
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Nov 13, 2009 12:01 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Cox sucking
Cox sucking is worth a whole post on its own, but it might get blocked by a profanity filter.
Seriously, I think we should just go with 3 WR at all times, and use either Pope at TE with 1 RB or no TE and two RBs, and just play a West Coast type of offense.
by Offense of the 70s on Nov 13, 2009 12:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe worst TE, but not worst player...
I'll take that bet, you're gonna regret, cause Haley's the best that's ever been...
Predicted outcome for the Raidaaa's goes a little something like this:
UCrawford bowed his head because he knew JaMarcus had been beat.
He laid that golden sig line on his profile at Lucas's feet.
Haley said: "UCrawford just come on back if you ever want to try again.
"I told you once, you son of a bitch, I'm the best that's ever been."
by cpa913 on Nov 13, 2009 12:20 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Ya know...
It’s too bad Mike Cox can’t block. Cox Blocker would look really good on a T-shirt…
by jcw1987ml on Nov 14, 2009 11:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well now don't get too hyped up on those stats
they aren’t any worse than the rest of our team statistics. We’re at the bottom on everything.
by krayfish on Nov 13, 2009 12:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
No.
Not at QB, not at CB, not at LB. And a lot of our other players are below average or poor, but not horrible.
The only other ones at the very bottom of their position are T. Jackson, who is a rookie and has talent and might improve, and Cox, who is like Ryan in that he can’t block or catch passes.
J. Russell has the worst rating of any QB, but he’s still not rated as low as Ryan.
by Offense of the 70s on Nov 13, 2009 12:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ok but take another look at our QB rating...maybe we're not DEAD last..
but comeon…we’re basement dwellers there too.
by krayfish on Nov 13, 2009 2:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Those web sites are BS man
Look where Elvis Dumerville is.
OHANA!
by darwithabar on Nov 14, 2009 1:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
welll
if you look at it… He is almost a plus 10 pass rusher, but he is almost a negative 10 run stopper. Those would negate each other to make him even, except he apparently gets a lot of penalties which give him negative value.
I think this goes back to what I said down lower, I dont think these thinks are weighted correctly. My biggest knock is that they have Aaron Rogers as the top QB, because he is a relatively good running QB. But I dont think being able to run the ball as a QB is as important to throwing the ball… So the rating should be like 75% pass or 25% run instead of 50/50. But then again what do I know.
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by averagegatsby on Nov 14, 2009 1:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Aaron Rodgers should be #1
He is putting up ridiculous numbers, These sites are bogus though. Elvis Dumerville has been bowling more then any other OLB, Helping his team more. Plus they have good Run Defense, it just goes to show.
OHANA!
by darwithabar on Nov 14, 2009 3:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Denver can have a good run defense as a team...
and Dumerville can still be the weak link in it.
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by averagegatsby on Nov 14, 2009 10:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You mean now that LJ isn't in the NFL??
Air Cassel - approved for takeoff
by kabrink on Nov 13, 2009 12:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Sean is SO bad
LJ could show him a thing or two about pass blocking….
Prediction: 2009 AFC West gets Emmy for best drama.
by CT Chief Fan on Nov 13, 2009 12:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sean is so bad...
Wait a minute I think he has connections……he is safe.
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Nov 13, 2009 12:59 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately
I don’t see us with a 5 star rated receiver for another year or so. What I mean is, we have so many more pressing needs that have to be addressed in the upcoming draft that unless we find a free agent who can foot the bill, we may suffer longer at the TE position. Hopefully we can find someone more adequate though in the short term.
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by Lanier63 on Nov 13, 2009 1:04 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Pope's actually doing pretty well
Pope needs to play more. Ryan needs to play way less. One of our 3 useless TEs needs to be cut so that we can bring in someone who can block.
Charles, N’dukwe, Richardson, Alleman, Long and Chambers also all need to play more.
WR: Bowe, Chambers, Long
OL: Albert, Waters, Alleman, N’Dukwe, O’Callaghan, with Richardson getting lots of action off the bench
TE: Pope
QB: Cassel
RB: Charles
Come out throwing, pass to set up the run. Under pressure, dump off to Charles and Savage in the open field.
by Offense of the 70s on Nov 13, 2009 1:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Pope signed midseason so its not impossible for him to eventually win the starting gig...
but he has to OBVIOUSLY separate himself from the pack and more importantly, Ryan first
A man who says he can, and a man who says he can't are both right. Which one are you?
by Bashman on Nov 13, 2009 1:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the way we are moving guys to IR
that may not take long…lol
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.
by Lanier63 on Nov 13, 2009 1:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
vote for ir
he needs to go with all the others
i want to see brad c too… work with pope
only reason sean still cuz haley was mad at bowe the first couple of weeks and had to be shown that the terrible TE was doing better than him…
by kcstevesportsfan on Nov 13, 2009 3:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Its ok
I just found an interesting observation…
Out of the top 25 all time offenses….4 won the SB
Out of the top 25 all time defenses….8 won the SB
Defense wins the SB…..not crappy TE’s
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Nov 13, 2009 1:18 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
It has been suggested here
to get rid of the TE and play with an extra tackle…..
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.
by Lanier63 on Nov 13, 2009 1:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i'm all for that
at this point, just scrap them all
by AtTheWall on Nov 13, 2009 1:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yup
hopefully after a full season on close up observation, Heley and Pioli will understand the the Chiefs need for blockers better and address it better than they did this season
A man who says he can, and a man who says he can't are both right. Which one are you?
by Bashman on Nov 13, 2009 2:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yea...
for Ryan I want to send in Goff…er…maybe that is not a blocking upgrade.
Bewsaf
by Bewsaf on Nov 13, 2009 2:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Vrabel might do better at TE fulltime.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Nov 13, 2009 10:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So 38 crappy offenses and defenses out of 50 won Superbowls?
I'll take that bet, you're gonna regret, cause Haley's the best that's ever been...
Predicted outcome for the Raidaaa's goes a little something like this:
UCrawford bowed his head because he knew JaMarcus had been beat.
He laid that golden sig line on his profile at Lucas's feet.
Haley said: "UCrawford just come on back if you ever want to try again.
"I told you once, you son of a bitch, I'm the best that's ever been."
by cpa913 on Nov 13, 2009 2:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty much
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Nov 13, 2009 2:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Matt Cassel's ranked 23rd...there I said it...
by krayfish on Nov 13, 2009 2:22 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Not too bad
23rd isn’t too bad when you look at the OL he’s got “protecting” him, the horrible running game, and some of the WRs he throws to.
That’s because Cassel is a pretty decent QB. He’s good when he’s with a good team, and still has a positive rating when he’s with a horrible team.
by Offense of the 70s on Nov 13, 2009 2:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
According to the website in the post
Ryan Succop is our best player. Colquitt, Carr, and Flowers behind him. I agree.
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by Shawn on Nov 13, 2009 4:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Carr?
Hasn’t he been getting burned awful bad lately? I like the kid, just not enough to annoint him one of our top 4 players and definitely not over Dwayne Bowe.
I'm officially on the 'Draft Eric Berry' train.
Haley-Crennel 2010.
by scottbwalters on Nov 13, 2009 9:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Carr and Flowers have both been burned for big plays, here and there.
But the rest of the secondary is so crappy, QBs can usually find a non-Flowers-or-Carr target at will.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Nov 13, 2009 10:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
to answer the title of the post: no
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Nov 13, 2009 4:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
not sure about this rating system...
According to this, Matt Casel gets a -1.5 for run blocking…what the heck is that? Is he blowing blocks on reverses or something? Kind of a screwy system if the QB is getting penalized for run blocking.
Not sure what to make of it when it says that the second worst performer is Alberts when pass blocking (-9.3). Mike Cox is worst with run blocking (-9.4). It basically says 2.7 is better a running (-6.9) than Alberts is at pass blocking.
Still it does say that Ryan sucks, so there’s some validity to it.
by radyman on Nov 13, 2009 5:17 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
If this guy drops one more pass or misses one more block
I’m going to have an aneurysm.
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius, in contrary to Glenn Dorsey lining up in the 2-tech
by ArrowSpread on Nov 13, 2009 6:13 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
LOL....
PFF is terrible at ranking players. They kind of just attribute the catch to the closest defender which is very amateurish.
Example: (someone else) I have been doing Winfield’s coverage tracking the last 2 years. Last year they gave him a TD against the Jags where he passed his man to Greenway’s zone, Greenway didn’t react, and it was a TD. This year Winfield blew a zone cover against the Packer on Finley’s long TD, and arguably gave up another TD to Nelson, and neither is attributed to him.
Their other defender metrics are nice and all but thats it.
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by SuperTurtle on Nov 13, 2009 8:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm...
This seems a little suspect to me. Im not sure how they could possibly justify Aaron Rogers being the best QB.
Having said that, I am also very surprised that they have Jamaal Charles as the12th best QB.
I really have 2 problems with this. It seems to me that they have everything weighted the same, and that there are more bad players in the league than good players. And also I dont understand how you can have 29 QB’s above average, when there are 39 total. Basically the distribution is ridiculous, if you were to plot these charts on a graph I doubt any of them would follow a traditional bell curve, and that shouldn’t happen.
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by averagegatsby on Nov 13, 2009 10:27 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Assigning numbers to individual play in a team sport is pretty questionable.
I suppose you ought to at least TRY to set up some sort of objective criteria, but there’s just no substitute for a good pair of eyes, and an ability to discount for the impact of teammates on an individual’s performance. I pretty much ignore most of the stats, but keep an eye out for key matchups. Like how does Albert do against Freeney or Jared Allen? Wherever possible, just see how a guy measures up against the best competition.
Passes defensed is a tricky one. A great corner might not be targeted very often. A poor corner might rack up numerous passes defensed, in the course of a terrible game. I remember Mark McMillian getting lots of batted balls and INTs and everyone thought he was so great, when he was seeing all that action because he instilled NO fear in opposing QBs.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Nov 13, 2009 11:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Im not sure how...
that applies to my statement.
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by averagegatsby on Nov 14, 2009 12:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think I was making comments in similar vein to your own.
But if you don’t see it, I missed the mark, trying to throw too much random thinking into it, maybe.
Hope you didn’t see my comment as a criticism or attempt at rebuttal. Just thought it fit with what you were saying, just slightly different things thrown in, like continuing to bitch about Mark McMillian, who seemed to have great numbers, but who looked to me like a weak link in the D.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Nov 14, 2009 1:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No i was just confused...
I couldn’t tell if you were agreeing or disagreeing…
And I totally agree with you, as much as i would love to be able to quantify football like you can with baseball, I just dont see it as possible. Thats not to say that there aren’t good "advanced stats out there, but the fact that football is the ultimate team sport, it makes it hard to individually grade each player as if every player played on an island when it most certainly not the case.
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by averagegatsby on Nov 14, 2009 1:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I dont know why everyone calls cottam bad
We can obviously not trust Haley to play the most talented player. We shoul;d be playing Cottam, He is our best Run Blocker, Best Pass Blocker, and who knows on pass catching. Dont get to willing to see Pope out there. He is not very good at all. He cant block and is medicore catching the ball.
OHANA!
by darwithabar on Nov 14, 2009 1:04 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Maybe you see something in Cottam's blocking that the rest of us don't.
To my eye, he’s a tall guy who hasn’t learned to play with much leverage. Makes little or no attempt to get low and at least TRY to get under the pads of the guy he’s blocking.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Nov 14, 2009 1:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He isnt the best pass blocker
Look back at the Falcon game last year, and several others, He is the best Run Blocking TE we have. I think your mistaken Mills. He does need to work on his pass blocking, and he is no Jason Dunn but he is the best we have.
OHANA!
by darwithabar on Nov 14, 2009 3:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ryan is definitely awful...
He just doesn’t make any plays…i think it was last week that pass that either he caught or hit his hands as he ran out of bounds….Tony…well…MOST Tight Ends in the league catch that pass and get two feet down…It was like he didn’t want to plant cuz he might fall down…I was so mad.
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by woodman212 on Nov 14, 2009 4:11 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Off the top of my head, I'll say "no"
When he was the best receiver (one week this season) on the Chiefs, that means he’s not the worst player in the NFL. That means that he, at least, can have better weeks than D. Bowe and whatever receivers were in the mix during that week (I can’t keep the WR corps straight anymore.)
Is he one of the worst, fine. Got me there.
by stlfan on Nov 14, 2009 9:47 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
i blame tony gonzalez
For spoiling us all to having the best TE in the history of the world….
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