Negativity surrounding our CHIEFS
by chiefsfan64055 on Nov 13, 2009 10:46 AM CST
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PrintOk guys, im going to vent for a second here,
Im sick and tired of all this negativity that surrounds our CHIEFS. As a lifelong chiefs fan, in my lifetime there have been few memorable moments that we can hang on too, and say " Thats why i love my CHIEFS" I think its time now more than ever as a Chiefs fan, to be positive, think more positively, and look into the improvements as to where we are now, and how much better the foundation is that Hailey has built as compared to the monsterous failures of previous coaches, and our pos KING CARL,
IM BEGGING AS A CHIEFS FAN TO START HEARING POSTIVE REACTIONS, TO OUR BELOVED CHIEFS,
This isnt the perfect dream season, we know that, now lets start looking up, and to the future and the possiblity of a 9-7 season<--- hey it could happen
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You might want to revisit the Post on the left titled "A Question to AP"
I feel your pain on the negativity and it has had an occasion to bring me down also. However, I keep reminding myself of why we are all here in the first place. There are several good answers on that post I mentioned. I don’t believe anyone is posting things on here that aren’t relative to the conversation (Chiefs) and some negativity is going to happen with losing seasons as we have all endured. Keep your head up and know you still back the best team in football! :)
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.
Some fool?
:P Ha!
One thing I will say about the Chiefs, although they’re clearly on the bottom of the bell-curve, they do have some of the best fans anywhere in pro sports. They’ve been pretty terrible for several years now and look at how how strong attendance is. Look at how active the fans are on this and other Chiefs related websites. It’s incredible. All negativity aside, you can’t call Chiefs fans fair-weather and I think that in itself is beyond incredible.
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
The bell curve measures left to right. Average in the middle is the tallest part of the bell.
You might say that the Chiefs remain in the extreme left tail of the curve…
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
You are correct sir
and I can’t say that I want to argue with a math man :)
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
You want a positive thought? Fine.
I’m positive that the changes at 1 Arrowhead Drive haven’t yet resulted in a better team. The Chiefs are on pace to finish the season with the same record as last year.
That is not to say the changes won’t eventually result in more wins. Perhaps they will – and perhaps we’ll even start to see that this season.
I understand what you’re saying, OP… but we can’t get around the fact that we have a rookie GM and a rookie HC – a very unique situation in Chiefs history. Just about the only thing we can take as a given is that they’re going to make some mistakes. I’m sure that some of the things the we now see as mistakes may, in time, turn out to be viewed as brilliant moves. Others – say, going for it on fourth and one from your own 41 when trailing 7-0 in the first quarter – are just plain old mistakes.
All I can say to you, OP, is that if I wasn’t a Chiefs fan, I wouldn’t care about the mistakes. But I do, so I am.
John
"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!"
Mistakes happen
BUT ITS UP TO US AS CHIEFS FANS, TO CONTINUE TO GROW WITH THIS TEAM, AND WRAP OUR SUPPORT AROUND THEM, AND ACTUALLY THINK SOMETHING OF THEM, WHY U ASK BECAUSE , IF FANS DONT THINK ANYTHING OF THEM, WHY WOULD THEY THINK ANYTHING OF THEMSELVES, AND IF THEY THINK NOTHING OF THEMSELVES, THEY WONT PRODUCE, AND WHEN THEY DONT PRODUCE , WE END UP 2-14, SO MAYBE WE AS CHIEFS FANS SHOULD CHANGE THE CYCLE, AND CONTINUE TO STAND STRONG, AND EVEN STRONGER FOR OUR TEAM, AND SHOW AS MUCH SUPPORT AS WE CAN, AND REMEMBER POSITIVE BREEDS POSTIVE AND NEGATIVE BREEDS NEGATIVE,
by chiefsfan64055 on Nov 13, 2009 11:12 AM CST up reply actions
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by Patrick Allen on Nov 13, 2009 11:29 AM CST up reply actions
OK... let's see if I have this right...
You think that if we all think positive thoughts about the Chiefs, they’ll play better? Right?
I suppose you’re right. I’m sure they’d be playing better if the crowds in Arrowhead were like they were in 1993. But if I may say so, OP… you’re yelling at the wrong folks. Most people who give up their season tickets when the fortunes of a franchsie decline are casual fans. Well… I don’t think anybody posting on AP is a casual fan.
John
"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!"
That sounds like the train of thought Trey Hillman had this year with his SPs
If they think they can throw 130+ pitches every other day, than not only can they, but they will be successful at it.
Unleash the unholy destruction of the positive thinking rainbow……panda thingy.
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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Nov 13, 2009 2:11 PM CST up reply actions
Yes, David.
Pioli has never been a GM before. That makes him a rookie at his job.
John
"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!"
Yes. But he's never been a GM.
Apparently you don’t have to be a GM to get it.
John
"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!"
I don't believe you can just ask people to be positive.
I’m very positive about the team and adjust expectations accordingly. Don’t really like the negative comments and stuff,, but I’m not going to make an effort to try to convince people otherwise. It’d be nice if the community is on the same page, but it’s not worth the trouble and energy. Just let them be and cheer the team on for yourself.
i have to do it one more time...since we're all about positives here in the land of milk and honey
written by Brandon Funston at yahoo sports:
Words don’t adequately express how poor the KC secondary has been this season. KC allows 14.1 yards per catch (2nd-most in the NFL). It has allowed 12 pass plays of 40+ yards, most in the NFL, and ranks last in the league with just 3 INTs. Certainly its last line of defense gets no help from its first line of defense – its 10 sacks is the 2nd-fewest in the league
The positive spin on that would be...
that with 10 sacks we have already tied our mark from last season. So unless we go 0fer for the rest of the season we will have improved in one area at least.
by Cassel This! on Nov 13, 2009 2:53 PM CST up reply actions
Yup.
We suck. There’s no 2 ways about it.
It would be nice to have something positive to say but…well, there’s nothing. Maybe this team will show some improvement as the season wears on but, right now, we are a train wreck. We finally have a SOLID WR corps and we may actually get to see what some of the young RBs can do. Those are things we can be happy about. Also, with Goff and Rudy out for the year, I expect that this line will actually show a LOT of improvement after a couple weeks with Ndukwe at RG and Alleman/Smith at center.
Right now though, this team sucks from top to bottom. We are WORSE than we were last year but, we have added some great pieces on offense that will help us later down the line. The defensive line should improve a ton by next season but we have some VERY SERIOUS issues in our secondary that I hardly think will be addressed in the draft this year. We are going to need some serious help in free agency to shore up the O-line and the defensive secondary. There simply are NOT enough quality starting caliber players that we can get in one draft to help this team improve.
No no no....
be positive….Instead of saying “we suck” you can say that we have mastered the art of suckage, or we are the champions of losing.
Was that the positive spin??
I’m just teasing…we’ll turn it around….evenutally :)
by HeatherChiefsLvr on Nov 13, 2009 1:09 PM CST up reply actions
yeah, agree
not really saying an injury is a good thing. Just saying I wish he would ride the pine.
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Debate is good
Nobody loves being positive more then I do but if everyone posted the same positive thoughts this place would be boring. Now the people that refuse to see any good at all do drive me crazy. IE “Pioli hasn’t made any good moves”, “Everything Haley has tried to do is wrong”, etc. The people like that aren’t worth arguing with. However, questioning specific moves like “Should we be cutting players with talent just because they don’t have the attitude and work ethic we want?” is a very valid discussion and I don’t see anything anti-Chief about arguing against what the Chiefs have done.
Intelligent, well thought out debate is a good thing.
Just saying “everything is great” or “everything sucks” without anything to back it up is a waste of AP readers’ time.
Feeling "The Love" and "Drinking the Kool AId"
by KCporkchop on Nov 13, 2009 12:00 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I agree, PorkChop
Even though I have frequently criticized P&H for one thing or another, I am on board with a number of things they have done.
For example… while I worry that players may conceal injuries – and risk getting hurt even worse trying to play with them – I very much approve of the idea that having a minor injury shouldn’t keep you away from practice. A deep thigh bruise shouldn’t give you an excuse to sleep in and fire up the Wii. I think we’ve already seen an improvement in player availability as a result of this policy.
I also think that in principle, “the right 53” approach – that is, the idea that a player’s attitude should be a big part of what goes into a player’s evaluation – is an outstanding idea. It’s a team sport, after all, and if there’s one thing championship teams have in common, it’s outstanding teamwork and chemistry. But again… it concerns me when it appears this is taken too far. For additional information, see Brown, Mike.
Like so many things, it’s not so much about the principles involved, but on where, exactly, the line is drawn. That’s a valid point to debate.
John
"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!"
And though it's frustrating at times, right now,
you don’t see a whole lotta players not practicing and then making appearances in games. There are no Brian Westbrook’s on this team (a coin with two sides – I know.)
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
rec'd porkchop!
and as one of the AP leaders of The Loyal Opposition In Charge Of Keeping Things From Being Boring …
so, chiefsfan, you think we should all just be POSITIVE about everything that’s happened? turn a blind eye (or keyboard) to mistakes? go quietly into that good night when our illustrious leaders (GM & HC) screw up royally? sit around the campfire (or tailgate bar-b-q) and sing happy songs while the team and season goes down the tubes?
I think not!
when there’s something to be POSITIVE about, then I’ll be POSITIVE … in the meantime, I’m POSITIVE we’re sitting at 1-7 with more losses to come … but hey, it’s not boring here!
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
We are better.
It just hasn’t showed in the win column yet. Haley is right . We are not good enough to impose our will on other teams or over come mistakes. The special teams are better. The d-line is better and I believe the wide reciever position is better. I wont predict how many games we will win this year but, I truly believe we will be much better next year. I still think Haley and Pioli know exactly what they are doing. Next year new scouts some new assistants and new players through free agency and the draft wwill make this a much better team.
David Logue
what? better?? better than what??
we are actually worse this year in some categories. We have less wins this year than last year. We suck…how is that better? We had…you know what…never mind…i’m not even gonna get started…
(stirs the kool-aid)
better
QB, HC, GM, RB(now), more sacks after Sunday, tied in wins after Sunday, better physical condition, better attitude, better future.
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are we better in yards gained? yards allowed?? points allowed??? points scored????
… or wins?
the ones you mentioned are debatable … especially HC (won’t argue on RB at all)
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
Special teams are definately not worse than last year and yooureally think our recievers the last few games haven't looked better? With the exception of tight end. The D-line looked good against Jax. They had to play to long is all and don't play safety
David Logue
by dklogue1 on Nov 13, 2009 12:46 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
exactly
Jackson/Magee are improving, so is Dorsey…Our LB’s with Belcher, a undrafted rook from maine…DB’s are still young, but we do need S x2…
Wr’s have seen a huge boost in talent with chambers/long
there are a lot of guys that could turn into something, plus this team is loaded with cap space for the next few years…
My perspective might be a little different.
If you did not live through it the late seventies and eighties were, all I can say is the HORROR. Then it was like we had a long way to go like now , but had no direction. You think the last five or so years have been bad try FIFTEEN years of less than mediocre. This is a walk in the park.
David Logue
agreed but other than special teams we're NOT better
to be considered “improved” you have to maintain a certain level, not just have a good drive or a good game once all season. Looking better in one game is not any type of indicator. The Lions looked better against Washington too….sorry not buying it.
Getting better means your actually better consistently.
Hey now
them guys that bring that water to the huddle are averaging 19 squirts per timeout! That’s 22.6% more squirts than average last year. Lets make sure we measure all of our assets!
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.
Plus...
I don’t think any of the water guys from last year were released, either. We must have had a lot of talent there!
John
"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!"
Belichick and Parcells wouldnt let any go so we had to keep the ones on payroll
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.
That's some high quality H2O
I'll take that bet, you're gonna regret, cause Haley's the best that's ever been...
Predicted outcome for the Raidaaa's goes a little something like this:
UCrawford bowed his head because he knew JaMarcus had been beat.
He laid that golden sig line on his profile at Lucas's feet.
Haley said: "UCrawford just come on back if you ever want to try again.
"I told you once, you son of a bitch, I'm the best that's ever been."
Better is better, krayfish.
You don’t need to reach so much. Plenty to be critical of without re-defining words like “better.”
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
Ya got that right
Back then there was no hope in sight no signs of even wanting to improve, it was “We won in the past doing this so we will continue with no major changes”. The only bright spots from those team were a handful or players that were with the team, but didn’t get to play for winning teams. We could not hope for the playoffs even every season was more of the same run it up the middle most of the time with the Bomb thrown in just see if there was any surprise.
These last few years seem bad to the fans that have not been through all that before a few of have and we do remember. The Big difference in this team and the teams of the past is that we can see improvement little bits at a time. We see that the Chiefs are at least trying to win, they are trying anything to get wins. Bringing in new players, new leadership new everything, Hell there was a time that any of this was too much to hope for, you knew it was going to be the same thing all over again.
I keep saying this and one of these days it will sink in. This Chiefs team is closer to being a brand new expansion team than it is to a playoff contender. And with that in mind you got to ask yourself how many wins is a new expansion team without all the draft picks expected to win. Face it the Chiefs are new top to bottom it will take time to improve and to start getting wins, However if we fire everybody like some have suggested we will only have to start back over again and do we really want that?
is it me? or isn't about time the Lamar Hunt trophy belonged to His team?
I’m a Chiefs fan Dammit and I’m damn proud of it!
yeah Fanatic, a whole new and different thing this year, because NOW we ... run it up the middle most of the time with the bomb thrown in just see if there was any surprise
you ARE right:: often times DOES look like an expansion team (who the hell ARE these guys?!?!?) and half the time I want to scream “where did these people come from and what have you done with my Chiefs!”
yes it IS closer to a brand new expansion team, sadly … that’s precisely BECAUSE the current regime just HAS started over again, more so that than build on what was here
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
apparently you are a Herm and King lover who wishes they were still here
Get it through your head that ANY new regime that we could have hired would have done largely the same thing. You are incredibly unrealistic – blinded by hate?
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no, it's called reality, kabrink
and, I’m not blinded by blind loyalty to a regime that makes what I believe are wrong and stupid moves … you’re amazingly supportive of a coupla guys who’ve proven us nothing other than being able to spew cliches and move warm bodies around on and off the roster
I have no love lost for Peterson, he outstayed his time by quite some time … I think Herm was ousted far too soon, given that his first 2 yrs were under Peterson and he didn’t get to do the rebuild he wanted until last year (2008)
I’ve posted extensively on it before, go read and enlighten yourself, and get it through your head that just because Pioli and/or Haley say it or do it doesn’t necessarily make it a GOOD thing
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
refer to my post "agreed" to RDOguy below
I don’t have blind loyalty, just reason.
I agree that Herm didn’t get to implement his program. But, we shouldn’t have given up a draft pick to hire a buddy of Carl’s that didn’t have the qualifications in the first place and who was going to get fired anyway. The Chiefs also don’t need a 1930s style offense.
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fair enough, kabrink - and no argument on the wasted draft pick
but then, at THAT time we didn’t know (for sure) that herm would be gone so soon – and TY on your comment about herm not implementinghis program, agreed – would have liked (this) one more year and then see
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
I meant
that the Jets were going to fire him anyway so no reason to use the draft pick.
But, I didn’t think we needed another year of Herm – there was nothing more to learn about his uselessness. I’m sure there are examples but I would be surprised that any new GM coming into our situation (or similar) would have kept the existing coach around.
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kabrink, one more thought here ... a question for you, really ... you seem to be quite argumentative with my posts, but I rarely see you take umbrage with similar posts from others, such as UCrawford ...
… just curious why is that? is he not worthy of your talents in debate? just wondering … and do have a fabulous day
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
umbrage (extra credit for excellent word choiceage)
Hmm, I am not aware of a bias of this sort. I have believed that I’ve argued with Krayfish and UC and others before. I have not purposely singled you out, for what it’s worth.
Nor do I dislike you or the other naysayers. However, I am sure I sometimes exhibit frustration at your (all of you) criticisms because I think many are over the top. I probably shouldn’t call you guys “P/H haters” or “Herm/King lovers” or similar. But, you guys think I’m a “non thinking loyalist”, “blind loyalist”, “kool aid drinker” so I guess it’s all fair in bar room debating and trash talking.
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He's Argued With Me Before
So he’s definitely not singling you out, upamtn. He’s got his opinions and is pretty consistent about sticking up for them.
But, you guys think I’m a "non thinking loyalist", "blind loyalist", "kool aid drinker" so I guess it’s all fair in bar room debating and trash talking.
Actually, we frown on posters using namecalling (those terms in particular) against other posters here and often will issue a warning for it (and occasionally a ban). So if people are using them against you, kabrink, they’re wrong and if we see it we’ll put a stop to it.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
Save UCrawford's soul as a Chiefs fan...or lose your own. Take the bet.
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2009/11/9/1123799/the-driver-of-the-fire-haley
Well, I see you issued me a warning for my post above at 8:35
but you can see me getting it back right in this string and in others. Usually I give and take these things mostly as friendly jabs but sometimes it can get a bit heated. I try to stay civilized at most times.
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You're Good
It wasn’t an overly serious warning where you were on the verge of getting booted or anything…more of just a heads up to head things off.
And I posted the remark above because if people are calling you a “kool aid drinker” or “non-thinker” they’re wrong too and if I see it they’ll likely get a warning. We can differ in opinion and still stay away from the name-calling.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
Save UCrawford's soul as a Chiefs fan...or lose your own. Take the bet.
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2009/11/9/1123799/the-driver-of-the-fire-haley
Such a benevolent moderator
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
but of course
:)
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
Oh, And
While we obviously disagree about it being too early to render a verdict on Haley, I can certainly understand where you’re coming from and I don’t think anyone’s being ridiculous for wanting to give him more time. I’m just not happy with his decision-making or coaching skills.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
Save UCrawford's soul as a Chiefs fan...or lose your own. Take the bet.
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2009/11/9/1123799/the-driver-of-the-fire-haley
fair 'nuf
I was probably very overboard on how much I despised Herm – although I hadn’t discovered this board at that time.
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Not Sure If You Were Around AP Last Year
But I think you and I would have been very much on the same page about Herm.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
Save UCrawford's soul as a Chiefs fan...or lose your own. Take the bet.
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2009/11/9/1123799/the-driver-of-the-fire-haley
nah, hadn't found this place
and I was still boycotting the Chiefs until Pioli got hired.
Living here in Seattle one must make a real effort to watch the Chiefs. Have to go to a bar early enough to get a tv programmed for the Chiefs and defend it against folks that don’t want to endure watching them. So, during Herm, I stopped making the effort.
It would be awesome if San Diego or Oakland would hire Herm after they fire their current coaches.
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and I have no idea how "umbrage" popped into my head earlier ...
but I’d appreciate help in removing it
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
I'll set the "Herm and King lover" jibe aside for a moment -
even though I’d like to take issue with that, too – and simply say that no… a new regime wouldn’t have necessarily done “largely the same thing.” Make changes? Sure. Extensive changes? Quite possibly.
But you know… there are a whole bunch of ways to build an NFL team. We’re seeing what P&H would do. But another regime would have done it differently… not because what P&H are doing is necessarily wrong, but because all HCs and GMs have different ideas about how things should be done.
Another regime, for example, might have also decided that the team needed more discipline, but would have stood pat on more of the roster. Another regime might have decided that Brodie Croyle was the guy if he only had OL help, and would have done more to get it through FA. Another regime might have decided that it made more sense in both the short term and the long term to stick closer to the schemes previously used (and drafted for) but do a better job of coaching, so they could be executed better.
Mind you… I’m not suggesting that what P&H are doing is wrong. I’m just saying that what’s really unrealistic is to say that any regime that came into Kansas City would be doing just what P&H are doing.
John
"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!"
agreed
I just meant that any new regime would make a lot of changes, imo. I didn’t mean all the same changes.
The underlying point I am trying to make is that many of the P/H critics seem to think that a rebuild takes a set number of years and assign Herm’s rebuilding years to P/H and figure that the rebuild should already be finished in one season by P/H. This is wrong. Basically if you are in the state we were in and they clean house in the FO you can reasonably expect another full rebuild with the clock starting over. This is year one, not year 2, 3, or 4.
My argument is for patience and reasonableness. I’m not a kool aid drinker. I don’t believe that P/H have been perfect and made no mistakes. But, I think it is wholly unreasonable to call for P/H to be fired after 8 games.
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and I'm not calling for them to be fired after 8 games
well, unless we get reamed by the Raiders, I have that bet with UC
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
you and many others
complain about the turnover, system changes, etc due to Haley but don’t you think we’d simply have it again if we suddenly dumped him? Yes, whether you did it today or after the system, you are starting over again. Perhaps a bit less because Pioli would be staying but still any good coach is going to want some freedom on what players, systems, coaches, etc he is going to use.
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C'mon
It’s a blog on the internet. We’re all entitled to our opinions and thank God Chris and Joel run it that way. While I do openly look for reasons to wax positive, I understand and appreciate the negative attitudes expressed by many of out AP brethren because the Chiefs fucking suck.
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
As some fool mentioned in the first post
losing brings negativity. We have to live with it to a degree.
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.
hush, kray ... you drink is ready, courtesy of KCporkchop
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by upamtn on Nov 13, 2009 5:47 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
DON'T DRINK IT KRAY!!!!!!!!
CHIEFS KOOL AID IS ALWAYS RED!!!!!!!!!!!!
YOU’LL WAKE UP IN THREE MONTHS WITH A NY GIANTS TATOO ON YOUR ASS AND AN ELI MANNING BOBBLE HEAD DOLL COLLECTION!!!!!!!!
(and yes, the caps and !!!!! were used for the sake of irony)
Feeling "The Love" and "Drinking the Kool AId"
by KCporkchop on Nov 13, 2009 9:27 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
agree with the negativity
but its the nature of being a fan. disageree totally with the few moments to remember. I’ve been a fan since ’81 or so and i can thing of countless moments and games which remind me of why i love the chiefs.
I think most of us are positive in our minds, or at least I am…but we bitch to fellow fans because we want answers, and seek out other fans hoping that someone may have some insight on what the problems are and how to fix them.
Pssionate fan= some negativity. pure and simple…
The chiefs are like a close friend or relative. We can call them names and complain about them, but we wont let anyone else say anything bad about them.
Just like novocaine. give it time; always works..
Pitts your in our club..we're realists.
We dont’ particularly like Haley (that’s putting it mildly), we aren’t pleased with the imaginary progress the kool aid drinkers are seeing. We aren’t doom and gloom, we’re realists. Welcome…can I get you anything to drink? Non kool aid?
hey you just name called me ;-)
That’s funny that you are seeing yourself as a realist because that’s how I view myself too – not a kool aider.
I think it isn’t realistic to judge a new coach on the basis of 8 games. I think it isn’t realistic to expect a new coach not to change a bunch of leftover stuff from a former regime. I think it isn’t realistic to expect a team to be making a big improvement or a playoff push (PLAYOFFS? playoffs?…) when they get a new GM, new HC, new coaches, and new systems and many new players all in one year.
I think you guys get all ticked off at Haley for things that don’t matter like what he says or doesn’t say in press conferences or putting signs in the locker room. I think these kinds of things are pretty common in the NFL regardless the coach, so not realistic criticism.
I also think you guys blow other things out of proportion, most particularly Haley’s supposed yelling at players. I do think he is trying to be strict especially in camp and in early season to instill mental discipline, which we need. But, I don’t think that the press makes an effort to show or report on encouragement words or actions that he makes. The negative stuff is always better for the press to stir up stories. But, I think Haley has cooled it down a lot especially after about week 4 or so when he got a lot of national press. It’s possible the press influenced him this way, but I also think he naturally would have cooled it off as the season went on and in future years after the attitude has been instilled. So, again, I just think it’s unrealistic criticism.
Have they made mistakes? Yes, sure, as anyone would. Have they made bad trades or cuts? Possibly. I think these kinds of events are hard to judge. There are a lot of evaluative measures that we as fans aren’t privy to. Also, the organization and we the fan might have different measures or weight them differently so will disagree. Finally, these kinds of decisions can be the RIGHT decision at the time based on the evaluation but turn WRONG later whether the same season or a later season – but that’s the risk always taken when a decision is made and there’s nothing anyone can do about it but live with it. That’s just realistic.
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by kabrink on Nov 14, 2009 8:39 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
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Opportunity costs I think is what decisions made equal.
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 14, 2009 9:01 PM CST up reply actions
With change comes cost
Change was needed anyway, and I have the feeling that unless things went perfectly we would still be seeing the same things. I was just trying to remind people that the Chiefs are new from top to bottom and to expect great things is only fooling ourselves. The Changes have happened Now we have to wait it out and give it a chance to come together. I believe that when the right players for the new offense and defense learn their jobs to the point of executing it without thinking what they are supposed to do things will be much better. It is just the calling for peoples jobs that I can’t understand, no they haven’t been wonderful there have been mistakes and they have admitted to them. But to fire everyone just so we have to start all over again makes no sense to me, and I think that’s being unrealistic.
is it me? or isn't about time the Lamar Hunt trophy belonged to His team?
This Chiefs team is closer to a new expansion team than it is a playoff contender, your expectations should match that.
I'm all for optimism
but if you remember during training camp there were a lot of people on this site thinking the Chiefs were going to be like Miami and win the West and go to the playoffs, etc. So, just expectations that were way too high for what we had.
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I agree
We didn’t start with a lot of talent like Denver, nor did we have the people to run a wildcat offense that last year took a bunch of team by surprise. Those that had those High expectations were the ones that are the most upset now, because the Chiefs did not become the overnight sensations they were hoping for. If we take an honest look back at what we had coming in to the season I think a few people might have to admit that they might have gotten drunk on the kool ade. It’s going to take time for this all to come about.
is it me? or isn't about time the Lamar Hunt trophy belonged to His team?
This Chiefs team is closer to a new expansion team than it is a playoff contender, your expectations should match that.
lol
no kidding. I predicted an optimistic 6-10 and got jumped a couple times for it because I was being so “negative”
I’d kill for these guys to finish 6-10
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
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