Chiefs Coach Says Defensive Line, Receivers Showing Improvement
by Joel Thorman on Nov 13, 2009 9:16 AM CST
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PrintKansas City Chiefs head coach Todd Haley was asked yesterday how he felt about his team week one at Baltimore versus how he feels today. The result? Some improvement.
He specifically pointed to the defensive line and the receives as two areas that have demonstrated improvement.
"I think our defensive line is getting better; they’re better than they were and that’s important. It’s important that each individual is better and as a group they’ve improved and that’s a good sign."
Statistically, that improvement isn't showing in the run game. The Chiefs continually give up 100+ yards on the ground. After holding the Raiders to 67 yards in week two and the Eagles to 93 yards in week three, the Chiefs have given up 156, 150, 118, 135 and 173 rushing yards.
The defensive line has been important, though, as the Chiefs have forced two turnovers in four of the last five games. Of course, that has only resulted in one win.
Haley also pointed to the receivers as a group that are showing some improvement.
This is something I will agree with the head coach on. From week one at Baltimore, to now, the Chiefs are drastically better at receiver.
"I would say receiver from when we started this whole deal has made progress. Some of it’s been that we’ve had some new bodies, some of it’s been the chemistry and some of it’s just been working together and getting to know the system and getting more practices under our belt together."
Those new bodies include Bobby Wade, Lance Long and Chris Chambers - three key additions to the receiver group. By season's end, those three, along with Dwayne Bowe, will likely be the leaders in this group.
These are two areas that the head coach has said he sees improvement. And, as Josh Looney pointed out to me on Twitter the other day, we shouldn't ignore Haley when he hammers a specific point so I'd think it's safe to say that he's liking what he's seeing as far as improvement goes in these two areas.
Do you feel the defensive line and receivers have begun to demonstrate improvement since week one?
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How Would Haley Know This?
Stats are for losers.
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by UCrawford on Nov 13, 2009 9:19 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
That quote
He went through a ton of stats of the team, things they’re not doing well, then said it’s about W/Ls so stats are for losers. They’re not winning is all that matters.
by Joel Thorman on Nov 13, 2009 9:21 AM CST up reply actions
See, I Don't Get That
Stats are only for losers when they’re brought up as a distraction or out-of-context excuse for poor performance. But they’re an extremely useful tool for figuring out where your team’s efforts for improvement need to be focused. Winning is not some magical event that’s irrelevant to the individual performances of players…it’s directly linked to it. And it’s the coach’s job to correctly interpret those stats (along with film study) to figure out how to fix the team’s problems.
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You're right.
I believe Haley’s way of summarizing what you just said is, “Stats are for losers.”
Cantaloupe? More like wontaloupe. Lazy ass melons.
Press conference from 11/11
I would read it…
by Joel Thorman on Nov 13, 2009 9:34 AM CST up reply actions
of course winning is a magical even! Haley just doesn't know the right spell to cast ...
just a little more magic and this mickey mouse operation can be going in no time
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
Let's get the context of that quote, UC
in the press conference, Haley was talking about some areas where the Chiefs are near the top of the league, but since we have only won 1 game, the stats aren’t everything.
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by PVChiefsfan on Nov 13, 2009 11:19 AM CST up reply actions
Which Areas?
Can’t find a link to the press conference.
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Read Through It
Can’t say as Haley impressed me much with his insight. He cited secondary stats where the Chiefs did well but seemed rather mystified why it wasn’t translating more into wins.
And I’d say that the answer to that is pretty simple…line play. The o-line is atrociously bad and can neither open holes for the running game (even when Haley wasn’t trotting Johnson and his declining abilities out there) nor can it protect the QB. The d-line and LB corps can’t exert enough pressure on the QB to shut down the passing game, nor can it stop the run. Getting in the plus area in turnovers is certainly important, but it’s not that helpful if your team can’t execute in the most basic areas of the game (running, passing, stopping the run, stopping the pass).
Stats don’t have all the answers in football, but they can certainly provide answers to the most obvious questions.
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Too many variables affect stats.
They’re just numbers. A couple of missed tackles can make your RB look better on paper than he really is. A few drops (where have I seen that?) can make your QB look worse than he is. Game tape shows them what needs to be corrected. Haley’s point is that winning/successful teams just refer to their win/loss record or championship trophies. Losing teams are the ones that break out the stat sheet to show they aren’t as bad as their record shows. Hence, stats are for losers. I agree.
I remember Dawson to Taylor, Kenney to Carson, and Blackledge catching the snap in his facemask. Seen it all...
Ah
Losing teams are the ones that break out the stat sheet to show they aren’t as bad as their record shows.
In that context I would agree. Actually, I made that same point earlier. But my gripe with Haley is that he doesn’t seem to recognize stats that do explain his team’s poor performance and do anything about them. If your starting ting 2.7 yards per carry and your backup is getting 5, then you need to change RBs…not keep the 2.7 guy as a starter for seven games.
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Stats aren't even good for that really.
2.7 guy got most of his carries in known/expected running situations while 5.0 guy got many opportunities in expected passing situations with draw plays. He has many less carries so his 30+ yard run at the end of the half in an early game has more affect on his average. Even your example here doesn’t show value to stats. They’re for reporters and fantasy football guys. The tape doesn’t lie. That is much more valuable.
I remember Dawson to Taylor, Kenney to Carson, and Blackledge catching the snap in his facemask. Seen it all...
Seriously, Though
I don’t think the defensive line is any better than they were to start the year. The receiving corps is a little better.
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They seemed like they got pretty good pressure on Garrard last week
Tyson Jackson and Glen Dorsey both seem a lot better than Week 1
I love Chris Chambers, but I was on the Bobby Wade bandwagon after his first game, still, I can’t help but think we may have something with Bowe, Chambers, and Long!
I'll take that bet, you're gonna regret, cause Haley's the best that's ever been...
Predicted outcome for the Raidaaa's goes a little something like this:
UCrawford bowed his head because he knew JaMarcus had been beat.
He laid that golden sig line on his profile at Lucas's feet.
Haley said: "UCrawford just come on back if you ever want to try again.
"I told you once, you son of a bitch, I'm the best that's ever been."
I Don't Think Long's Good
Chambers is an improvement over what we had before he got here, but he’s in the decline phase of his career so there’s not much to build on.
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I think Long needs to work on his hands
but you don’t think he has potential? Seems like a pretty speedy guy.
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by Patrick Allen on Nov 13, 2009 9:34 AM CST up reply actions
Not Really
He might be fast, but I think there was probably a good reason why the guy was nothing special in college. The dude never exceeded 177 yards in college nor did he get even 8 yards per reception. He wasn’t even a full-time starter. He’s getting 8.6 yards per reception with the Chiefs, which is only impressive when you compare it to his college career, but it’s 7th place on the Chiefs team for yards per reception (behind two of our crappy TEs).
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Cassel wasn't a starter in college either
And he has at least thrown for 400 yards in a game in the NFL
I'll take that bet, you're gonna regret, cause Haley's the best that's ever been...
Predicted outcome for the Raidaaa's goes a little something like this:
UCrawford bowed his head because he knew JaMarcus had been beat.
He laid that golden sig line on his profile at Lucas's feet.
Haley said: "UCrawford just come on back if you ever want to try again.
"I told you once, you son of a bitch, I'm the best that's ever been."
Meh
Like I said, he’s the fifth best receiver on the roster in terms of production, behind Bowe, Chambers, Bradley and Wade. And they’re not that good.
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Ha
The fact he’s been on the team for only two games helps your case.
I’ll look it up but in the two games he’s been with the Chiefs I imagine he’s the leader in receptions.
by Joel Thorman on Nov 13, 2009 9:49 AM CST up reply actions
10 Receptions
86 yards. Zero TDs. I don’t see anything there to be excited about other than the fact that Haley likes him. I don’t really trust Haley’s judgment on players.
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Receptions Are Not As Important As Yardage And TDs
And 688 yards on 80 receptions is not that good unless he’s putting up a lot of catches in the red zone.
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I will buy that
I think it should be conceded that the yards per catch need to go up. For Long that means more run and catch yards. I will also say that a couple of those crossing routes that Long got a catch…Cassel was off the mark and slowed him down.
On the other side of it. I think Long is interesting. Your position might be clouding that a little bit, no?
Bewsaf
His receptions are
more of an extension of the running game. Short, quick & fairly safe. More of a keep the D guessing more than a deep receiving threat.
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Considering
the OL isnt giving Cassel much time to throw, thus meaning not giving the WR’s to get downfield, I’d say its not too bad.
Just Saying
There are six other players on the team putting up better receiving numbers than Long…four receivers and two tight ends. And they’re playing under the same circumstances as Long.
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I see your point..
I just think its invalid considering the role that long is playing. Long is a quick WR who can make cuts. His routes dont go as deep as alot of these guys. While Chambers/Wade/Bowe are out running the first down and beyond routes, Long is running underneath, getting open, and CATCHING the ball..ill take an 8 yard per reception average if hes getting first downs. I mentioned in an earlier comment..I’m curious to know how many of his catches have moved the chains.
I'm with you.
Personally though, I’m just glad to see our guys actually catching the ball beyond the line of scrimage to start. For most of the year so for, I was getting really frustrated seeing a reception start three yards in the backfield every day.
Ryan And Cottam Are Also Both Running Short Routes
And they’re doing better than Long.
Just saying…your point about slot receiver having lower ypr is valid but he’s not really producing that much even for a slot receiver or a guy running short routes.
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Hes not
and I 100% understand your view on that.
The point is..Long is helping the Chiefs do something. He’s catching balls. Even if its only 8 yards per catch, hes getting closer to the first down marker, if not being receiver on the 3rd down situation. Again, I mentioned this earlier and I really would like to know how many of his catches have been for first downs. If no one knows, I’ll definately be looking into that.
But for this team, a team that has struggled to catch the ball and get 3rd down conversions, it SEEMS (again I dont have stats to back this up) like Long is helping us move the ball.
Something I just thought of…I was almost under the same though as you being that Haley plays favoritism..but then it hit me..Haley talked about how much he liked Bradley and wanted to coach him..but Bradley doesnt have shiit accomplished this year. Sounds like 1 favorite who didtn make that Haley Cut to me..
Receptions Are Not As Important As Yardage And TDs
And 688 yards on 80 receptions is not that good unless he’s putting up a lot of catches in the red zone.
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Is this deja vu all over again?
I'll take that bet, you're gonna regret, cause Haley's the best that's ever been...
Predicted outcome for the Raidaaa's goes a little something like this:
UCrawford bowed his head because he knew JaMarcus had been beat.
He laid that golden sig line on his profile at Lucas's feet.
Haley said: "UCrawford just come on back if you ever want to try again.
"I told you once, you son of a bitch, I'm the best that's ever been."
Nope
It just posted twice for some reason…no clue why my browser’s acting touchy today. Very irritating.
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It's kinda like some people are hot in high school.....
then they get fat and nasty by 30 something…..then some people are goofy looking in high school and turn out to be freakin models as they get older. Everybody peaks at different times in life, and in football.
by Hail2DaChiefs on Nov 13, 2009 9:48 AM CST up reply actions
Maybe
But Lance Long comes off more to me as Todd Haley’s Jeff Webb. Just not as good.
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Webb Averaged 10.6 YPR For His Career
And that sucks. Long hasn’t even hit that.
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Here we go again!
I'll take that bet, you're gonna regret, cause Haley's the best that's ever been...
Predicted outcome for the Raidaaa's goes a little something like this:
UCrawford bowed his head because he knew JaMarcus had been beat.
He laid that golden sig line on his profile at Lucas's feet.
Haley said: "UCrawford just come on back if you ever want to try again.
"I told you once, you son of a bitch, I'm the best that's ever been."
Sorry, But
It’s true. I’m just not impressed with a receiver who’s getting below 10 yards per reception with no TD catches playing for a 1-7 team.
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Default argument
Is that you’re not impressed with players playing for a 1-7 team.
However, Long’s first 2 NFL games and he’s targeted 15 times and catches 10 balls….I’m happy with that.
by Joel Thorman on Nov 13, 2009 9:56 AM CST up reply actions
Sorry, Joel, But
Where’s the production from this guy? Where? He’s got 10 receptions? So what? What did those receptions produce? TDs? No. Lots of yardage? No. Whether he’s on a 1-7 team or a 7-1 team what is there that makes this guy so special?
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I'm not on his bandwagon like some people are...
but he deserves to be where he is so far. He has earned his keep a lot more than some of the other receivers that have floated through the Chiefs. So until the guy does anything but help, I’d give him a break.
Help?
Who has he helped? He hasn’t scored any points, his numbers suck and he’s on a one win team. He’s the fifth best receiver on the squad and the only reason he’s getting playing time is because he’s a Haley favorite.
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His numbers don't suck compared to the other wide receivers on the Chiefs...
I think this is something that you need to wait and see a little more before judging him. He has been a factor in every game he has played so far.
I don’t believe he is talented enough to be a solid starting WR because he is to small personally. But what is there to lose? It’s the Chiefs and right now he’s making catches and making some 3rd downs more manageable than they have been in weeks. So give him more than 2 games before saying the reception leader for last game “sucks”. It shouldn’t matter who’s favorite he is if he is helping the team, and so far he has.
And saying he is on a one win team is more a help to my argument than yours. That is the reason he is playing, because most of our other receivers are not the quality a lot of teams have. Younger players get a chance here they wouldn’t have elsewhere. If he doesn’t make a big difference this season he may not be playing the next.
Ummm
His numbers don’t suck compared to the other wide receivers on the Chiefs…
His yards per reception are fifth on the team and the four guys ahead of him all have at least one TD. His numbers suck compared to the other guys on the team.
He has been a factor in every game he has played so far.
Week 1, 0 receptions, zero yards, 0 TDs
Week 7, 2 receptions, 12 yards, 0 TDs
Week 9, 8 receptions, 74 yards, 0 TDs
Inactive in all other games…so really he’s only been a factor in one game. A factor who got exactly 9.3 yards per reception in the one Chiefs game out of 8 in which he did anything, which also represents a career high for the man.
I don’t believe he is talented enough to be a solid starting WR because he is to small personally. But what is there to lose?
There are small receivers who can play…he’s just not one of them. I’d just rather see Bradley or Wade getting the playing time instead of Long…they’ve done more with their opportunities and I think they offer the Chiefs a better chance to win.
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It seems that in your mind
every player is shit, until proven otherwise, would you say that’s correct?
You’re basically saying he’s a terrible player based on a sample size of two games. I understand where you’re coming from (he didn’t do ANYTHING playing for a below-average college program), but would a little optimism hurt?
I guess I don’t see the point of being a fan of a sports team if your primary goal is to blast every decision that the organization makes in trying to improve.
I apologize in advance if I’m somehow misunderstanding you…but if so, please elaborate on why virtually every post has a negative slant.
Predictions:
Kansas City will not win more than four games in 2009
Kansas City will have a new OC and DC in 2010
Kansas City will win at least seven games in 2010
that's addressed to UC, not Lucasjr5
Predictions:
Kansas City will not win more than four games in 2009
Kansas City will have a new OC and DC in 2010
Kansas City will win at least seven games in 2010
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No player is a legitimate NFL player until they perform at that level.
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In all seriousness
How can that be a valid argument? By that reasoning there should be no draft. or at least any rookie starters.
It's A Completely Valid Argument
Until a young player actually produces something in the NFL all that player has is “potential”…and potential that isn’t realized is nothing.
Rookies have value as far as contracts and roster spots go because the NFL is a futures market.
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he got 74 yards in a game in the NFL in a poor offense
Now I’m no genius but that sounds like production to me. Give the guy a few more games. Your argument isn’t very good right now.
I'm almost positive
that Lance Long was not on the team weeks 1-6..which would explain why he was inactive for those games..
Then we picked him up and in only his 2nd game he became a factor in a weak offense. Idk about you, but if you can find a factor in a poor offense, I’d love to keep him around and see what he can do in a real offense.
Just kidding
I dont know what the hell I was thinking. I didnt realize Long has been on the team since the 1st Raider week.
I Didn't Realize He Was Still With The Cards In Week One
Every once in awhile even the best get their facts wrong. :)
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Check out Welker's production in his 3 years with Miami
ONE touchdown in 3 seasons.
He was also an undrafted free agent.
just sayin’….
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Predictions:
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Kansas City will have a new OC and DC in 2010
Kansas City will win at least seven games in 2010
What about
first downs?
Idk if hes gettin them or not..so thats a serious question. Of his 10 catches, I wonder how many are first downs.
in his 2nd game!
have you seen him play?
he’s fun to watch, plays really hard, is quick, gets open, and makes plays
what the hell else do you want him to do??
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
Espn Fantasy take on Long:
What the? How does a former practice squad player suddenly get 16 targets in a single game? Long will have to do that again to gain our confidence, but he’s certainly gotten our attention.
Long had a team-high eight receptions for 74 yards in Sunday’s loss to Jacksonville.
Spin: This might just be a one-game blip, but Long’s been targeted 16 times (11 against the Jaguars) in the two games he’s been active. If he continues to get these kinds of opportunities, he’ll be worth a look in deeper leagues, though it would be unwise to expect eight catches every week.
I’ll take that from a practice squad guy anyday!
I'll take that bet, you're gonna regret, cause Haley's the best that's ever been...
Predicted outcome for the Raidaaa's goes a little something like this:
UCrawford bowed his head because he knew JaMarcus had been beat.
He laid that golden sig line on his profile at Lucas's feet.
Haley said: "UCrawford just come on back if you ever want to try again.
"I told you once, you son of a bitch, I'm the best that's ever been."
Yes
And I’ve seen his stats. And there’s nothing there to be excited about. I’m sorry, but you guys have glommed onto this guy as some sort of mascot and he’s simply nothing special.
He’s ranked 233rd in yards per reception in the league behind a lot of running backs. He has no TDs. That’s a scrub.
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He's only played in two games
I bet he’s not 233 in “per game” actually played
I'll take that bet, you're gonna regret, cause Haley's the best that's ever been...
Predicted outcome for the Raidaaa's goes a little something like this:
UCrawford bowed his head because he knew JaMarcus had been beat.
He laid that golden sig line on his profile at Lucas's feet.
Haley said: "UCrawford just come on back if you ever want to try again.
"I told you once, you son of a bitch, I'm the best that's ever been."
Actually
He’s 233rd in yards per reception…so yes, “per game” he’s 233rd.
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Actually
That was Haley’s line…I was just sarcastically quoting it. :)
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233rd after 2 games of 8
I have not personally seen him play so I have no horse in this race but it looks like you are just pointing out the bad to point out the bad.
Gosh, I'm Sorry
I guess I should just pretend he’s actually not posting receiving stats that are worse than 232 other guys and demand that the NFL elect him to the Pro Bowl.
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If You Want To Do That, That's Fine
But don’t bitch at anyone else for pointing out the obvious.
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Not bitching
Trying o have a little fun with you… easy to lose that translation in this kind of forum.
Helps To Add An Emoticon When You're Kidding
Or smiley face to those less technically inclined.
:)
Humor and sarcasm are very easy to misunderstand in a written format if they’re not used.
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Watch The Namecalling
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You do realize, right?
That the blunt tone of a lot of your posts tends to provoke an emotional response, which in turn often can lead to name calling?
Not saying I agree with the name calling, but your style has a hand in it.
Predictions:
Kansas City will not win more than four games in 2009
Kansas City will have a new OC and DC in 2010
Kansas City will win at least seven games in 2010
Yes
But “blunt” is what you’re always going to get with me…and that’s not going to change.
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Fair Enough :)
I’ll do that as well too…I just make sure to clearly label it with the smiley face. :)
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so is calvin johnson...
does that mean he sucks? No it means he has played less games than everyone else (injuries) and his entire team sucks.
Okay
The primary stat I’ve brought up so far is yards per reception. This is a stat that is not dependent on the number of games you play in.
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YPC is really only relevant
if you have one catch per game. I’d take a 6 reception 42 yard game over a 1 reception 12 yard game every time! IMHO :)
Long time kool-aid drinker & too old to learn a new trick! No flip-flopping allowed!
Unless its a 1 rec 12 yd TD!
I'll take that bet, you're gonna regret, cause Haley's the best that's ever been...
Predicted outcome for the Raidaaa's goes a little something like this:
UCrawford bowed his head because he knew JaMarcus had been beat.
He laid that golden sig line on his profile at Lucas's feet.
Haley said: "UCrawford just come on back if you ever want to try again.
"I told you once, you son of a bitch, I'm the best that's ever been."
So What You're Saying Is
You’d rather take 16 receptions for 138 yards and no TDs over 16 for 189 and 1 TD? Or 20 receptions for 172 yards and no TDs over 20 receptions for 226 yards and 2 TDs?
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Well Chambers had 2tds & 70 yards
So I guess in your book he’s going to be an all-pro for us? He should have 18 TDs for us by the end of the season, right?
Predictions:
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Kansas City will have a new OC and DC in 2010
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He'd Be A Better Bet For That Than Long
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yah guys, look at his touchdown per reception average
It’s amazing!
What I am trying
to say is: I’d prefer a receiver who had 6 receptions for 42 yards in a game rather than one who had 1 reception for 12 yards, every time! The number of catches per game is as relevant & perhaps moreso than the yards per catch, although the TD receptions would have to carry a little extra weight as well.
Long time kool-aid drinker & too old to learn a new trick! No flip-flopping allowed!
Well, A One Reception Guy
Is a guy who’s not getting played. If he can’t duplicate that feat fairly regularly if he does get played more then of course you don’t bench him. But if the guy averages 12 yards per reception every time you put him out there and the other guy gets 7 yards per reception when he’s played, then it’s foolish to keep giving playing time to the less talented guy. That’s what I’m saying…even in the best game of his career, Long hasn’t outperformed Bradley, Wade, Bowe or Chambers per reception. Actually, he’s doing worse than Ryan and Cottam as well.
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Correction
If he can’t duplicate that feat fairly regularly if he does get played more then of course you keep him on the bench.
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but yards per reception over 2 games can be very misleading
He obviously gets short routes. That is a given. He hasn’t shown himself to be a deep threat and Cassel hasn’t shown himself as someone who can throw the deep ball consistently but he isn’t making monkey grabs down the sideline.
When no one else is open Long has been the guy to pick up 4 or 5 yards when we could have got nothing. He has shown a knack for getting open when he needs to. This is shown in his number of receptions in 2 games for the Chiefs.
A receiver in Longs position will get more receptions, but less YPR. He is usually the guy with the shortest route every play. He CAN help move the chains.
Also, I don’t think he played near as many snaps week 7. Just saying.
Not As Misleading As Yards Per Game
He obviously gets short routes. That is a given. He hasn’t shown himself to be a deep threat and Cassel hasn’t shown himself as someone who can throw the deep ball consistently but he isn’t making monkey grabs down the sideline.
Okay, so he’s not a deep threat, he’s only running short routes, and he’s not tall enough to be a red zone target.
Remind me again, why should I like this guy?
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Here's what Cassel had to say about him.
"He’s a great slot receiver," Cassel said. "He’s got tremendous quickness, he gets in and out of his breaks well, he catches the ball, he’s a tough guy – he’s not afraid to lay in a block on a linebacker or a safety. He’s a great player and he’s been helping us, there’s no doubt about that."
Cassel knows a bit about what a great slot receiver looks like. He did, after all, play with WR Wes Welker in New England. Welker was on the receiving end of 111 footballs last year for the Patriots – just one short of his career-high 112 in 2007 when working under a full season with QB Tom Brady.
"You know, he’s got a similar mentality in that he’s a bulldog," Cassel remarked with comparing Long’s attributes with Welker’s. "He just goes out there and he works hard. Like I said, he’s a guy that you really do want to see in the slot in terms of his quickness and how he goes about his business. There are definitely some resemblances between Welker and Lance."
Yeah, let's just keep matriculatin' the ball down the field, boys! ...
by oldchiefsfan on Nov 13, 2009 10:39 AM CST up reply actions
im not saying hes the best ever...
but he has got more yards in a game than Wade has in any of his 6 games this season, and Wade has 2 fumbles.
Yes he also has 2 touchdowns, but get back to me when Long has played 6 games and I’ll listen to statistics that are basically gameday stats.
I don't know where he gets his stats
but on NFL.com, if you sort WR by yards per game, Lance Long is number 47, with 43 yards per game.
I say that’s darn good for a practice squad guy who’s only played two games!
I'll take that bet, you're gonna regret, cause Haley's the best that's ever been...
Predicted outcome for the Raidaaa's goes a little something like this:
UCrawford bowed his head because he knew JaMarcus had been beat.
He laid that golden sig line on his profile at Lucas's feet.
Haley said: "UCrawford just come on back if you ever want to try again.
"I told you once, you son of a bitch, I'm the best that's ever been."
And he's ahead of Jeremy Maclin
So I guess Maclin sucks too
I'll take that bet, you're gonna regret, cause Haley's the best that's ever been...
Predicted outcome for the Raidaaa's goes a little something like this:
UCrawford bowed his head because he knew JaMarcus had been beat.
He laid that golden sig line on his profile at Lucas's feet.
Haley said: "UCrawford just come on back if you ever want to try again.
"I told you once, you son of a bitch, I'm the best that's ever been."
Also ahead of Johnny Knox
Mark Clayton
Justin Gage
Bobby Wade
Bernarnd Berrian
Kenny Britt
Robert Meachem
Michael Jenkins
Mushin Muhamad
Terrell Owens
Jabar Gaffney
Malcom Floyd
Antoine Randel El
Isaac Bruce
So, yea, I think that gives us reason to be excited about a practice squad guy!
I'll take that bet, you're gonna regret, cause Haley's the best that's ever been...
Predicted outcome for the Raidaaa's goes a little something like this:
UCrawford bowed his head because he knew JaMarcus had been beat.
He laid that golden sig line on his profile at Lucas's feet.
Haley said: "UCrawford just come on back if you ever want to try again.
"I told you once, you son of a bitch, I'm the best that's ever been."
If You Want To Rebut My Argument
How about starting with using the stats I was actually using?
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Because yards per catch are meaningless
He’s a SLOT receiver, not a downfield receiver. He’s supposed to get the 5-10 yard first downs, and if he gets lucky and breaks a long one then great!
I'll take that bet, you're gonna regret, cause Haley's the best that's ever been...
Predicted outcome for the Raidaaa's goes a little something like this:
UCrawford bowed his head because he knew JaMarcus had been beat.
He laid that golden sig line on his profile at Lucas's feet.
Haley said: "UCrawford just come on back if you ever want to try again.
"I told you once, you son of a bitch, I'm the best that's ever been."
I Got My Stats From ESPN
And I cited yards per reception, not yards per game. And the reasons I didn’t cite yards per game are because
a) yards per game can be highly misleading when you’re talking about a receiver who’s only played three games, and
b) yards per reception is a more accurate measure of a player’s performance.
I say that’s darn good for a practice squad guy who’s only played two games!
He’s been active for three games, not two. And I’m not arguing that he’s not a practice squad guy…I’m arguing that he’s not good enough to be getting PT over Bowe, Chambers, Bradley or Wade.
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He is getting playing time over Bradley and Wade
I'll take that bet, you're gonna regret, cause Haley's the best that's ever been...
Predicted outcome for the Raidaaa's goes a little something like this:
UCrawford bowed his head because he knew JaMarcus had been beat.
He laid that golden sig line on his profile at Lucas's feet.
Haley said: "UCrawford just come on back if you ever want to try again.
"I told you once, you son of a bitch, I'm the best that's ever been."
Which He Has Done Nothing To Merit
Other than be in the good graces of Todd Haley, who frankly plays favorites in a manner that’s got nothing to do with how good a player actually is.
Why do you think I want Haley fired?
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If he's done nothing to merit
Then he would not be open, and not targeted by Cassel so much. Cassel is not going to throw it to a WR, just because he’s a “favorite”
Otherwise Terrence Copper would get 30 targets a game.
I'll take that bet, you're gonna regret, cause Haley's the best that's ever been...
Predicted outcome for the Raidaaa's goes a little something like this:
UCrawford bowed his head because he knew JaMarcus had been beat.
He laid that golden sig line on his profile at Lucas's feet.
Haley said: "UCrawford just come on back if you ever want to try again.
"I told you once, you son of a bitch, I'm the best that's ever been."
He's Targeted Because
He’s only 8 yards downfield. He does nothing with those receptions.
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Oh And
Terrance Copper sucks. Which is why I haven’t even suggested he get playing time.
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you know what, this whole discussion is silly...
he has played in 2 games. Every stat in two games is misleading.
I’ll put it this way. If he can get 74 yards per game or more, I don’t care how many receptions it takes to get them, it is better than throwing the ball away. Long is Cassels like preserver. I’m not a big fan of the guy, but so far he has made enough catches to make me give him a chance.
After week 7 however when everyone was high on him I said that was ridiculous. And it is still to early to tell anything.
Okay
he has played in 2 games. Every stat in two games is misleading.
You’re right…but that also favors my argument because if all the guy’s got is three games (he’s been active for three this year, not two) in a two year career then the likelihood is that the one game where he showed up out of those three is a fluke.
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First one with AZ.
No one ever says, "It's only a game" when their team is winning.
George Carlin-R.I.P.
by idahochieffan on Nov 13, 2009 10:45 AM CST up reply actions
Fair Enough
But he still didn’t do anything with it…in a pass heavy offense that wasn’t doing so hot that day.
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And Urban And Doucet
Neither of whom have been good.
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Duecet was a high draft pick and urban is a bigger more physical guy...
so, thats the reason that long did not see any time….Im not crowning the guy as a top flight reciever, Im just saying he is a small bright spot on a shitty team….How can you argue that?
Sorry...
Just sayin’ it was three games.
No one ever says, "It's only a game" when their team is winning.
George Carlin-R.I.P.
by idahochieffan on Nov 13, 2009 10:50 AM CST up reply actions
I think we mascotted him,
becuase the majority of players on the team have been uninspiring. His production will increase with time. I was just glad to see someone get in the game and look like they were hyped up and catch some passes. He really looks excited out there….
by Hail2DaChiefs on Nov 13, 2009 10:06 AM CST up reply actions
And That's Fine If You Want To Mascot Him
I was pulling for Bobby Sippio after all. But at the end of the day, you still have to look at the numbers and ask whether he’s actually good or whether you just want him to be good.
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by Patrick Allen on Nov 13, 2009 10:09 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Not Accurate
There is no Coke Zero sitting on my desk. :)
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by Patrick Allen on Nov 13, 2009 10:11 AM CST up reply actions
Wait a sec...
Then your saying that Wes Welker is only a 5th string guy?
He is right now averging 10.3 and has 4 touchdowns on the year out of 8 games…
55 rec for 568 yards… well better demote him…
Everyone has a role to play in a offense and since he isn’t very tall, he won’t be a major target in the red zone.
by IowaChiefFan on Nov 13, 2009 10:14 AM CST up reply actions
I Have No Idea Where You Pulled That Argument From
Long has no TDs and he’s getting 8.6 yards per reception. He’s also taller than Welker.
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Alright
A established veteran is only getting another 2 ypr and has been in his system for 6 years.
Long is still a rookie and developing and is what a inch or two and has had little playing time and in that time is doing well.
I’ll be the first that says that he may not make an impact but there is no reason to condemn him.
So give the guy a break, damn by your anaylsis, after college and within a year, every player better be the best he will be and if not, they are garbage.
And the argument has merit since they are similar in statute and how they will be used in the system.
by IowaChiefFan on Nov 13, 2009 10:55 AM CST up reply actions
Now I will agree with that UC.....
We won’t cut him and we won’t Pro Bowl him either……..let’s give another game or two
by Hail2DaChiefs on Nov 13, 2009 10:13 AM CST up reply actions
If He Improves His Production
I’ll be okay with him. I just get irritated with this team because players who do produce in the opportunities they’re given often seem to get pushed to the back for lesser players whose primary asset seems to be that the coach personally likes them.
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That has been driving me crazy.....
I’m thinking they should’ve had enough talent evaluation with certain positions (linebacker) and I still can’t figure out the DJ situation…
by Hail2DaChiefs on Nov 13, 2009 7:49 PM CST up reply actions
I Don't Really Get That Either
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I'm an optimist by trade
but if after next offseason they don’t start gettin it going then consider me Darth Hail………and I want one of those cool ass double light-sabers too…….and some funky face paint
by Hail2DaChiefs on Nov 13, 2009 8:56 PM CST up reply actions
The way i see it...
if he continues to be targeted and making 5-10 receptions per game, then it will open up Bowe and Chambers for some bigger pass plays. And if they ignore him, he has the potential to make big plays. Besides UC, stats are for losers!….lmao
Unless it's stats he wants to use!
ha, ha
I'll take that bet, you're gonna regret, cause Haley's the best that's ever been...
Predicted outcome for the Raidaaa's goes a little something like this:
UCrawford bowed his head because he knew JaMarcus had been beat.
He laid that golden sig line on his profile at Lucas's feet.
Haley said: "UCrawford just come on back if you ever want to try again.
"I told you once, you son of a bitch, I'm the best that's ever been."
10 receptions
In his first two NFL games. I’ll look at that as a positive, since WRs usually take a little longer to develop.
I see your point but I’m going to disagree.
by Joel Thorman on Nov 13, 2009 10:12 AM CST up reply actions
I'm with Joel here
I am a fan
I’d buy his jersey before any other on the Chiefs right now
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
* Stats are for losers
No get that throwback Colquitt jersey....
I’ll be the only one at the sports bar rockin a punter jersey…
by Hail2DaChiefs on Nov 13, 2009 10:16 AM CST up reply actions
I agree with you
Its absurd to start throwing out all the rookies who arent producing or making the best decisions 100% of the time..
Haley included.
there are some big time WRs that don't get 74 yards per game....
Only time can really tell. Is that going to be his biggest game? What if he rocks a 120 yard game Sunday? Will that change your mind? You sir, judge too soon.
IN TWO GAMES!!!
He wasnt on a team before that! He wasnt on this team to put numbers up! He’s put up those numbers in only 2 weeks of being on the team.
You look for the negative in everything instead of looking for the positive. I’m a realest too but you come across pessimistic and I think thats why so many people argue with everything you say. I have yet to see you say anything POSITIVE about this team.
Again..
I had Long confused. Idk why I didnt realize that hes been on the team since week 2
On the team but...
he wasn’t playing. Hard to develop stats from the Practice Squad guys.
I know
I was just thinking that we had just picked him up like 3 weeks ago..I didnt realize it was back in week 2.
I like Long. I see UC’s point, I just dont agree with it. You cant say that Long is really an asset just because he had 1 good game. But you cant say Long isnt an asset just because he has a low ypr average.
I usually agree with you UC...
but not on this one. Long has only been with us for 2 games. He shows good potential,effort,and quickness. He has lead the team in receptions in both games. Cassel is looking for him and they are connecting. He almost made a spectacular catch for a TD in his first game, and should have had a TD in the second which I blame on Cassel for not getting the ball out sooner when he was open. He is playing in the slot, so he is not gonna get as many long balls thrown his way. Like Joel said, I dont care what his stats are in college, right now he is producing and that opens things up for other recievers once defenses start recognizing him….I like the kid.
He's off to a good start
I wouldn’t say he’s fast, but quick. And he’s shown up in two NFL games so far, which is what matters to me, not his college stats at this point. If he continues to do that then I’ll be happy.
by Joel Thorman on Nov 13, 2009 9:47 AM CST up reply actions
4.35 40yd dash
pretty fast
He’s playing WELL
I’m excited about him, as always
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
And If Long Produces Better Than Wade Or Bradley
Then I’ll give him credit. So far he hasn’t.
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Over The Season He Hasn't
Actually, he’s only been productive in one game…the last one. The game before that he posted two receptions for 12 yards.
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he didn't play near as many minutes
In Longs first game, Wade not only played, he had 4 receptions. Now his game wasn’t as good as Longs last game, but Wade still played that entire game.
again... HE'S ONLY PLAYED IN TWO GAMES!
it’s hard to be productive from the practice squad
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
* Stats are for losers
Over the season
Bradley has been targeted 34 times and only caught 16 (47%) for 168 and one TD
Wade has been targeted 37 times, caught 20 (54%) for 226 and 2 TDs
Long in 17 targets has 10 (59%) for 86.
Maybe we like that he actually catches the d#$% ball!
I'll take that bet, you're gonna regret, cause Haley's the best that's ever been...
Predicted outcome for the Raidaaa's goes a little something like this:
UCrawford bowed his head because he knew JaMarcus had been beat.
He laid that golden sig line on his profile at Lucas's feet.
Haley said: "UCrawford just come on back if you ever want to try again.
"I told you once, you son of a bitch, I'm the best that's ever been."
Ive said this twice now and got no response....
if Long is getting targeted 10 times a game, defenses are going to have to start accounting for him more…which opens up other plays for Bowe and Chambers….those are the guys that should be averaging 15+ yrds per reception…
Good point!
I'll take that bet, you're gonna regret, cause Haley's the best that's ever been...
Predicted outcome for the Raidaaa's goes a little something like this:
UCrawford bowed his head because he knew JaMarcus had been beat.
He laid that golden sig line on his profile at Lucas's feet.
Haley said: "UCrawford just come on back if you ever want to try again.
"I told you once, you son of a bitch, I'm the best that's ever been."
more yards last game than wade has had his entire career as a Chief
So technically, aside from getting a td, Long has had a better game in 2 chances yardage wise, than Wade in 6.
Hate to admit that I am agreeing with you, but
I don’t really understand why Wade is inactive and Long is starting. Wade was the most reliabe receiver we had when on the field. Don’t see Long as an upgrade over Wade in the slot position at all. If anything, Wade should be in over Bradley who really hasn’t done anything this year. Long’s production over Wade is only because he is active and Wade is a spectator.
I remember Dawson to Taylor, Kenney to Carson, and Blackledge catching the snap in his facemask. Seen it all...
Lack of College Production Not His fault
As a person who has seen a fair share of Mississippi State games over the years, Long’s lack of stats at MSU was more a product of 1) a running offense, 2) poor talent at QB, and 3) poor coaching and game planning. Whenever Long was on the field, he basically ran the same little 5 to 7 yard slant or out every time. I asked him about it one time and he said that the coaches were inflexible in his routes. He knew it was a problem too, because defenders watched film on him and knew he would run the same routes virtually every time. He was covered like a blanket because they knew what he would run. It sounds silly why a coaching staff would not change something as predictable as that, but this was MSU – where a “normal” season was 3 or 4 wins, illustrating that the coaching wasn’t all that talented. The fact that he caught 15 to 20 passes a year is a miracle – he probably should’ve had less due to poor game planning on the coaches. And his “yards per catch” was always low because they never gave him a chance to go deep and make a play. “Yards after the catch” were a problem because he was always covered so tightly on his short routes.
At the NFL level, I won’t base a player’s talent level on a handful on games. The sample size is just too small to have any serious power of explanation. The kid will be good, but it may take a few games.
Wouldn't it be cool if a few years from now every young small receiver was compared
to Lance Long, instead of Wes Welker?
I'll take that bet, you're gonna regret, cause Haley's the best that's ever been...
Predicted outcome for the Raidaaa's goes a little something like this:
UCrawford bowed his head because he knew JaMarcus had been beat.
He laid that golden sig line on his profile at Lucas's feet.
Haley said: "UCrawford just come on back if you ever want to try again.
"I told you once, you son of a bitch, I'm the best that's ever been."
I'm thinking that will happen......
I’m really liking what I see in Long (not a man crush I swear)
by Hail2DaChiefs on Nov 13, 2009 9:46 AM CST up reply actions
Also UC
If the Chiefs lose on Sunday what time do you want our souls delivered by?
Anyway possible I could get it to you on Monday? It being a late game and me being on the east coast will make it hard for me to get it to you on Sunday. Have to work early on Monday.
I could UPS it from work if that is cool. Let me know.
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by Patrick Allen on Nov 13, 2009 9:44 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I Won't Be Picky
I’m going to be on the road, in Tennessee, teaching a class. Just change your signature blocks sometime next week.
And if I don’t show up for awhile if I lose, I’m not ducking out…I’ll just be busy (because it’ll probably be the same if I win).
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
Save UCrawford's soul as a Chiefs fan...or lose your own. Take the bet.
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2009/11/9/1123799/the-driver-of-the-fire-haley
D-line
Nose tackle, getting better. Tyson Jackson, much better last game. Glen Dorsey, I can’t say he has gotten better over the last three games…not that he played bad. I think he has stayed at a particular level since around game 5. Again, not that he has played bad since game 5.
Bewsaf
Have to disagree
I’ve focused on Dorsey in 2nd and 3rd viewings of the games. The guy is a beast. He’s in shape, no hint of leg problems and clearly ascending. Dorsey and Hali are standouts at this time.
by ChiefConcern on Nov 13, 2009 9:40 AM CST up reply actions
Hali's like 2nd in the NFL in QB pressures for LBs...
He’s playing really well. Dorsey has been a major improvement.
Dorsey and Jackson are in years two and one….we’ve gone over it numerous times that these guys take a little longer to get going in the NFL, but I’m pleased with Dorsey’s development.
by Joel Thorman on Nov 13, 2009 9:43 AM CST up reply actions
absolutely
a couple years from now, we’ll be talking about how KC has built a dominant D Line through the draft, and that was the foundation for a great defense
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
If Jackson can progress at the pace Dorsey is...
in two years with a new NT this will be one hell of a line.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Nov 13, 2009 11:28 AM CST up reply actions
I really think Krumrie needs to be replaced........
DL might be improving incrementally, but these guys (Jackson and Dorsey in particular) are talented and not playing even close to their potential. Jackson needs more experience against NFL o-linemen, but I’m thinking are lack of production on DL over the years is all on Krumrie. It’s not like we haven’t had the talent there.
Well..to be honest
When we did have talent here, Jared Allen and Tamba Hali were playing alright but we had no talent in the middle. Then we traded away JA, and Tamba was no longer effective, and we still had nobody in the middle, and nobody to replace the vacant DE spot. So actually..we didnt have the talent here.
However, as much as I like Krumrie’s attitude and coaching style, I’m not sure how good of a coach he is. But if Jared Allen is any indication, I’d say hes pretty good when given talent to work with.
Krumrie lucked up with Allen.......
you are right in that we didn’t have all the pieces at once. I do think DL will suffice now if can just get one more pass rusher at OLB and some safeties that can tackle and cover we will look much better.
by Hail2DaChiefs on Nov 13, 2009 9:00 PM CST up reply actions
Push In Middle
The Dl needs to get more push in the middle. I don’t know if Edward is capable. Jackson is coming along and Glenn has already turned the corner. I am excited about the youngsters on the DL, but Edwards is just filling a hole.
The receivers are going to be OK. I wouldn’t mind starting 2010 with this group. Bowe has only started to trap his talent. Chambers and Wade are solid, Wait and see what Long is. Now get some safeties…
Jerome
I've watched each game multiple times....
The progress of the D line is clear—- both starters and backups. This isn’t a controversial point. The tape is clear.
As to the WR, the talent level is the best we’ve had in years—— but they continue to drop the f’ing ball! If that is beyond coaching, then the turnstile will remain. But if this group can simply catch the ball, we are in good shape going forward.
That being said, we HAVE to get a legitimate TE. Both catching and blocking. ASAP.
absolutely... TE is a big weakness right now
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
DLine and WR DEFINATELY looking better!
Now, get the OLine and the DBs playing better…
and you have yourself a shot at winning some games!
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
re
The d-line is getting better, the stats are more of a production of the inept offense.
and inept Safety play
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
I think you might throw long in there also
it looks like we do have the receivers now. After last week seeing Jackson finally joining the party things are looking up. Now if the nose tackles pick it up we might have something. I wonder if Magee can play nt? Smith for Tank? I don’t understand that.
gordymule
again...
it WASN’T “Smith for Tank”
It WAS Tank for a 5th round pick
Smith just filled the empty roster spot, and played 5 snaps last week
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
You're correct in terms of the transactions
but just the same, Tyler was the backup NT one week, and Smith was the backup NT the next. Yeah… we got a future pick for Tyler, but we also put a guy on the roster who hadn’t played a regular season down for six years. It’s reasonable to question the moves.
John
"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!"
it's always reasonable to question moves
I like Tank as much as the next guy…
but, the trade wasn’t about upgrading the backup NT spot this season
it was about getting a 2010 draft pick, which they did.
Kenny Smith got 5 snaps last game… I don’t think you would have seen ANY difference in ANY outcome if Tank had still been here
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
* Stats are for losers
Was going to be my point as well.
I haven’t noticed any change in DL performance without Tank. I think that says a lot. That would mean the draft pick is an extra bonus at this point.
I remember Dawson to Taylor, Kenney to Carson, and Blackledge catching the snap in his facemask. Seen it all...
by BinSC on Nov 13, 2009 11:45 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I do agree the WR's are better ... but the number of yds we give up is still atrocious
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
kinda looks like Goff an Niswanger, to me :)
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
* Stats are for losers
I know I already missed UCs next attempt at proving a ridiculous point....
But for comparisons sake….
Lance Long is a slot WR and his stats after two games are pretty good considering its been TWO games. YPC to me isnt really a way to judge a WR because alot of WR play different roles. If WR “quality” was based on YPC then Hank Baskett and Devery Henderson would be the most sought after WR in the league.
Again you need to compare apples to apples to get an idea of where he’s at(after TWO games). You cant compare 4-3 DE’s to 3-4 DE’s and you can’t compare Wes Welker to Randy Moss.
Welker to me is the standard. He’s the most well known slot WR in the league and probably the best slot WR in the league. Since moving to NE and being used as such he’s averaged around 10.3 YPC. So based on that our guy thats TWO games into his career is putting up respectable numbers.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Nov 13, 2009 11:27 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
I know the rushing yards against don't look better
but (I’m totally guessing here) if you counted up the number of runs that we stopped for 2 yards or less for all of last year we are probably about at that number already this year after only 8 games. The problem is the big runs. I put this number as much or more on the poor safety play. No front seven is going to stop every run. They have to be able to count on the safeties to pick up the slack when a guy breaks through the LB’s.
Cue 20 posts about how we stupid we were to cut Pollard, blah, blah, blah
Feeling "The Love" and "Drinking the Kool AId"
the problem is one guy takes an extreme position
and that forces others to go to the other extreme. say what you want about UC, but he makes everybody else be positive and rational.
if one were to take everything but YPC out of the equation, then UC is right. Just about any ol’ receiver in the NFL puts up a higher ypc….so solely looking at that and negating any other points, Long’s ypc puts him with deon branch.
this all seems inconsequential at this point in the chiefs season, and Lance Long’s career to start dissecting every little thing.
this is like sticking your face up to a mirror and trimming your sideburns…..you might get them shaved straight, but when you take a few steps back and look, one is higher than the other. let’s have some perspective, people. there are players on this team who are going to end up worse than we thought, but there will also be players who end up way better than we thought. but looking at things in the moment is usually when irrationality and emotionalism occurs.
"We're not losers, we just can't win!"
by chief Stevie_k on Nov 13, 2009 11:47 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
If by “postive and rational” you mean “angry and emotional,” then yes, you are right, he does a good job of that.
by JComp11 on Nov 13, 2009 12:00 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
yes
but in doing so, they look for the positive, and often times bring out rational points (despite the odds), so i guess ‘whitlock clone’ is useful afterall.
"We're not losers, we just can't win!"
by chief Stevie_k on Nov 13, 2009 12:05 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I wouldn’t go that low, but I see your point.
I also think you have a good point about stepping back and seeing the big picture. The way I look at it is that we came in to the season with some major holes. Those holes haven’t been fixed, but, for the most part, have been plugged. With another offseason of drafts and free agency, the picture will start to become clearer.
Rec'd for the term "whitlock clone"
We could also call him the Anti-Chief
I'll take that bet, you're gonna regret, cause Haley's the best that's ever been...
Predicted outcome for the Raidaaa's goes a little something like this:
UCrawford bowed his head because he knew JaMarcus had been beat.
He laid that golden sig line on his profile at Lucas's feet.
Haley said: "UCrawford just come on back if you ever want to try again.
"I told you once, you son of a bitch, I'm the best that's ever been."
by cpa913 on Nov 13, 2009 12:37 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Say no to Whitlock Clones!!!
Their effects on tide and the planets gravitaitonal pull would be horrendous.
We Will Not Be Calling Me The Anti-Chief
I have never been against this team…only the people I think are running it into the ground.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
Save UCrawford's soul as a Chiefs fan...or lose your own. Take the bet.
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2009/11/9/1123799/the-driver-of-the-fire-haley
Devil, Dark Side of the Chiefs, I don't care what you want to be called :)
You seem awful quick to judge a practice squad player who didn’t even go to camp with the Chiefs.
Maybe you’d have better luck with your bet if you tried a nicer approach:
I'll take that bet, you're gonna regret, cause Haley's the best that's ever been...
Predicted outcome for the Raidaaa's goes a little something like this:
UCrawford bowed his head because he knew JaMarcus had been beat.
He laid that golden sig line on his profile at Lucas's feet.
Haley said: "UCrawford just come on back if you ever want to try again.
"I told you once, you son of a bitch, I'm the best that's ever been."
I Don't Pretend That Practice Squad Players Are Legitimate Starters
Until they perform like them.
Maybe you’d have better luck with your bet if you tried a nicer approach:
My attitude towards Haley will have zero effect on the outcome of the game. I’ll either win the bet or I won’t and I’m fine with either outcome or I wouldn’t have made that bet in the first place. Never bet more than you’re willing to lose.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
Save UCrawford's soul as a Chiefs fan...or lose your own. Take the bet.
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2009/11/9/1123799/the-driver-of-the-fire-haley
ON defensive line and receiver improvement
Def. line definately has improved thanks to Dorsey buying into offseason program. Expect Jackson to be a beast next year and show steady improvement this yr. Now we just need to add a nose tackle in the 3rd or 4th round of the draft. Nothing earlier than that we need offensive lineman early on in the draft. As for receiving core thanks to the signing of Chambers and Long progressing from practice squad player to the slot guy it has improved. Now we need to resign Chambers to a 2yr deal if he continues to contribute along with drafting a couple of receivers in the 5th and 6th rounds of next yrs draft. Possibly get Dez Bryant in the first round if he falls to us.
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