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Grading the Chiefs Rookies At The Halfway Point, Part Three

Finally, here's Part Three of our Grading the Rookies series. Previously, we looked at more high-profile picks like Tyson Jackson, Alex Magee and then middle round picks Donald Washington and Colin Brown For today, we take a closer look at the end of the draft that rounded out our roster and practice squad while also giving us a surprising kicker that we hope solves our woes at the position from the last few years.

To get a good idea of measurement, we'll take a look at three things:

*The half-season stat totals

*What was being said at the time of the draft

*What we can tell at this early stage of their career

The details can all be found starting with Quinten Lawrence after the jump:

Star-divide

Quinten Lawrence, Sixth Round Pick (175 overall)
Meaningful Stats:
None

What Was Said: "Quinten has incredible speed. More often than not, he was the fastest player on the field. If he gets behind you, forget about it. So if he doesn't make it as an every-down wideout, he'll have a great future as a kick returner. He has good size at 6'1". He showed off his strength at the NFL combine, placing in the top ten for wide receivers in the bench press." -Sports Anchor Tom Annino

What We Can Tell: One of two rookies currently on the Practice Squad, Lawrence has yet to see any game time. He's flashed speed at times, so the Chiefs have kept him around, bouncing him to the PS recently. Definitely a WR project on a team needing significant help at the position.

Javarris Williams, Seventh Round Pick (212 overall)
Meaningful Stats
: None

What Was Said: "He has a great heart. He will do whatever it takes to make it. He's got a burning desire to play in the NFL and has for a long time. He's just got some hurdles he has to prove he can get over. I'm not saying he can't get over them, but that he will have to prove that he can. Breakaway speed is that one thing, but there are NFL backs that don't have that same speed either. He was fun to watch, that's for sure, because of that tackle breaking ability." -Sportswriter Mike Organ, The Tennesseean

"Williams has a short, thick build and is quick enough to turn the corner. He lacks the elite speed to hit the home run." -ESPN

What We Can Tell: Besides serving as fodder for rookie hazing, Williams also has yet to get into a game and display any of the traits that we heard about come draft time. Then again, he's a seventh round pick sitting on the Practice Squad. What else is there really to say?  

Jake O'Connell, Seventh Round Pick (237 overall)
Meaningful Stats:
None

What Was Said: "O'Connell has good speed and good catching ability. He's athletic and did very well in all the workouts and at his pro day. He'll help fill in for the Chiefs after the loss of Tony Gonzalez." -NFL.com

"O'Connell possesses prototypical size, the ability and top-end speed to create decent separation on underneath routes. He needs to put a lot of work in to become usable in blocking situations." -Scouts, Inc.

What We Can Tell:
The biggest enigma from the Chiefs draft class, at least if you care to analyze it down to this level. O'Connell hasn't found the field in any game since Week 2 against the Raiders, and even then he didn't put up any stats at all. The intangibles of the Miami (OH) product were supposed to be great and everyone noted his ability to catch the ball. On a team starved at the TE position, you'd think he'd find some time on the field.

Ryan Succop, Seventh Round Pick (256 overall)
Meaningful Stats:
8/11 FG, 11/11 XP (Long: 53-yard FG)

What Was Said:
"Succop can handle both punting and kicking duties. He played extremely well at times for the Gamecocks. He could solve what has been a problem area for Kansas City in recent years in the kicking game." -NFL.com

What We Can Tell: Not much was said pre-draft about Succop, who earned some SEC honors at South Carolina but didn't turn heads at the national level for the most part. Still, he's been nothing short of a pleasant surprise for the Chiefs. His only NFL misses in the kicking game have come from longer distances and the NFL level doesn't seem to rattle his nerves at all. It seems, at this early stage, the Chiefs might have their long-term answer at kicker. You can't ask anything more of the last pick in the draft.

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Succop gets an A

Incompletes for lawrence, williams and O’Connell

Haven’t seen enough of any of them to give a meaningful grade

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
* Stats are for losers

by stagdsp on Nov 13, 2009 10:09 AM CST reply actions  

Hang on.

Connor Barth: 10/12 FG, 24/24 XPM

Except for being able to hit from beyond 50 yards (which Barth only tried once), where’s the upgrade exactly … ?

by JacinB on Nov 13, 2009 3:12 PM CST up reply actions  

You just said it

He can hit from beyond 50 yards, and his kickoffs are a huge improvement.

by PistolP on Nov 13, 2009 3:26 PM CST up reply actions  

That and...

I doubt Barth has recovered his own onside kick.

by Archyrr on Nov 13, 2009 4:24 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

+1

See ya Later Larry Johnson, or now forever known as "2.7"

by KC Nate on Nov 13, 2009 6:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Just a point ...

Barth’s hit three from 50+ yards today.

by JacinB on Nov 15, 2009 4:41 PM CST up reply actions  

they haven't said much about him

I was just looking back through the old posts, by searching for his name… not much there

I think he runs hard, with a lot of power, and they tried having him return some kicks.
other than that, not a lot of info…. I think we’ll see him next season, though

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
* Stats are for losers

by stagdsp on Nov 13, 2009 10:38 AM CST up reply actions  

Its a sad state of affairs when...

Mr Irrelavent is the best player on your team and he is a FG kicker. And the second best player is the punter. I say this because they are the only two consistent guys on the team.

by KCinAZ on Nov 13, 2009 10:35 AM CST reply actions   2 recs

Yes yes yes we know

And have been hearing it since week 1. Broken. Record.

Penn State to Kansas City...Always a winning combination.

by YNinja on Nov 14, 2009 6:38 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Ya gotta start somewhere

Plus how many times do games come down to kickers… especially in the playoffs… It is not much consolation but it is nice that our kickers seem to be locked down for the next 3-5 years at least. One less thing on the checklist, right?

by sandpro on Nov 13, 2009 11:06 AM CST reply actions  

Ryan Succup anagram

Cry Anus Cup

Johnnie Morton: The Man. The Myth. The Legend.

by craig in calgary on Nov 13, 2009 11:20 AM CST reply actions  

+1

I'd rather die on my feet than be living on my knees

by ArrowDread on Nov 13, 2009 11:25 AM CST up reply actions  

Lemme help Craig out

Cry, Cop Anus!!

How about that?

Penn State to Kansas City...Always a winning combination.

by YNinja on Nov 14, 2009 6:39 AM CST up reply actions  

Ryan Succop

No cup?! Scary…

I'd rather die on my feet than be living on my knees

by ArrowDread on Nov 13, 2009 11:34 AM CST up reply actions  

Craig in Calgary

Garlic cry again?

I'd rather die on my feet than be living on my knees

by ArrowDread on Nov 13, 2009 11:40 AM CST up reply actions  

I do like Garlic.

And if Chiefs lose to Jamarcus, I surely will cry again.

Spot on, ArrowDead, Spot on.

Johnnie Morton: The Man. The Myth. The Legend.

by craig in calgary on Nov 13, 2009 12:06 PM CST up reply actions  

where are the grades?

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by Patrick Allen on Nov 13, 2009 11:20 AM CST reply actions  

If i'm not mistaken...

Lawrence has saw game time. He had that 16 yard reverse play.

Chiefs reception leaders:

Dwayne Bowe: 27 receptions for 375 yards/4 TD's
Bobby Wade: 20 receptions for 226 yards/2 TD's
Jamaal Charles: 17 receptions for 139 yards
Mark Bradley: 16 receptions for 189 yards/1 TD

by Chiefsfan85 on Nov 13, 2009 11:24 AM CST reply actions  

Two girls, one succupp?

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by Patrick Allen on Nov 13, 2009 11:34 AM CST reply actions   2 recs

The Grandma's Reaction

Was way better than the original video.

I’ve got a pretty strong stomach, but damn…

Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009

Fire Haley now.

Save UCrawford's soul as a Chiefs fan...or lose your own. Take the bet.

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2009/11/9/1123799/the-driver-of-the-fire-haley

by UCrawford on Nov 13, 2009 3:17 PM CST up reply actions  

She is so freaking funny

the best part is when she tells Jackie he “needs to talk to somebody.” Then she goes off screen and all you can hear is him laughing in that high pitched laugh and she starts gagging!

I watch it like once a week.

Please help send my girlfriend to Broadway! Visit http://magonbroadway.blogspot.com/

by Patrick Allen on Nov 13, 2009 3:26 PM CST up reply actions  

I'll tell you what I didn't make it more than 30 seconds watching

was the “Pain Olympics.”

You think 2GOC was disturbing then google that shit.

Please help send my girlfriend to Broadway! Visit http://magonbroadway.blogspot.com/

by Patrick Allen on Nov 13, 2009 3:27 PM CST up reply actions  

It's the BME Pain Olympics

I challenge anyone to make it through that shit

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by Patrick Allen on Nov 13, 2009 3:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Final Round

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by Patrick Allen on Nov 13, 2009 3:30 PM CST up reply actions  

No Thanks

I didn’t even get to the ugly part and I knew that if I saw it, it would give me nightmares.

Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009

Fire Haley now.

Save UCrawford's soul as a Chiefs fan...or lose your own. Take the bet.

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2009/11/9/1123799/the-driver-of-the-fire-haley

by UCrawford on Nov 13, 2009 3:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Same Here

I quit at right about the same time as you did. He started tying himself off and I realized that I’d just found the absolute limit to what I was willing to watch on the Internet.

Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009

Fire Haley now.

Save UCrawford's soul as a Chiefs fan...or lose your own. Take the bet.

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2009/11/9/1123799/the-driver-of-the-fire-haley

by UCrawford on Nov 13, 2009 3:30 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah me too

2 girls one cup I could stand but that was whole different ball game.

Please help send my girlfriend to Broadway! Visit http://magonbroadway.blogspot.com/

by Patrick Allen on Nov 13, 2009 3:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Felt Somewhat Nauseous At 2 Girls 1 Cup

But the BME Pain Olympics was well beyond what I could tolerate.

Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009

Fire Haley now.

Save UCrawford's soul as a Chiefs fan...or lose your own. Take the bet.

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2009/11/9/1123799/the-driver-of-the-fire-haley

by UCrawford on Nov 13, 2009 3:40 PM CST up reply actions  

O'Connell has been the most disappointing.

We gave up a future pick because we liked him so much, and the tight end position is wide open. There’s no reason he shouldn’t be getting playing time.

by Vince D on Nov 13, 2009 11:36 AM CST reply actions  

what's the story with colin brown?

It would be nice to have a chiefs fan playing for the chiefs…

"the Chiefs and their fans, well, we're a family..."

by KCitian on Nov 13, 2009 11:55 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

Brown is on IR

We knew he was a project coming in. Pretty much all our 2nd day picks were “project” players with high potential, except for Succop.

Pioli/Haley have confidence in their coaching that they can get the most out of these guys. We will see.

by Nick Britt on Nov 13, 2009 12:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Yup, on the IR.

Which in the Pioli/Haley era pretty much means “We think we like what we see, but you’re not quite ready yet, but we don’t want to lose you to somebody else.”

by Archyrr on Nov 13, 2009 1:02 PM CST up reply actions  

A For Succop

Ds for everyone else.

Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009

Fire Haley now.

Save UCrawford's soul as a Chiefs fan...or lose your own. Take the bet.

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2009/11/9/1123799/the-driver-of-the-fire-haley

by UCrawford on Nov 13, 2009 1:47 PM CST reply actions  

Illogical :)

I wouldn’t go so far UC as giving them all a “D”

…close though. I’d give Williams an “I” for incomplete.

Unless he’s on the game day roster and plays, I don’t see how a “D” would suffice.

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.

by THE_TRUTH on Nov 13, 2009 1:58 PM CST up reply actions  

I See A C As Someone Who Contributes To The Active Roster

F as someone who doesn’t. The only player I can see being a C out of this group is maybe O’Connell (in fact, I upgrade him to a C…he’s played some which is pretty good for a 7th rounder). None of the others have, but they’re still with the team in some facet so they’re Ds. Except for Succop…he’s been an A.

Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009

Fire Haley now.

Save UCrawford's soul as a Chiefs fan...or lose your own. Take the bet.

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2009/11/9/1123799/the-driver-of-the-fire-haley

by UCrawford on Nov 13, 2009 2:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Incompletes

And what the hell is this bullshit with “He deserves an incomplete…F is soooo unfair.”? It’s midseason…all of their grades are technically incomplete. We were asked to grade the players midseason in the post, so as far as I’m concerned there’s no such thing as an “incomplete” grade. They’re getting a grade.

If I think a player deserves an “F”, I’m giving him a damned “F”. If he gets an “F” in midseason and performs like an “A” through the second half then I’ll give him an “A” for the second half and a C for his overall season. But I’m not giving anyone an “incomplete”. It’s a copout.

Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009

Fire Haley now.

Save UCrawford's soul as a Chiefs fan...or lose your own. Take the bet.

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2009/11/9/1123799/the-driver-of-the-fire-haley

by UCrawford on Nov 13, 2009 2:16 PM CST up reply actions  

You've been warned :) ....lol...kidding
If I think a player deserves an "F", I’m giving him a damned "F". If he gets an "F" in midseason and performs like an "A" through the second half then I’ll give him an "A" for the second half and a C for his overall season.

Dude, when I need a break I go here

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.

by THE_TRUTH on Nov 13, 2009 2:21 PM CST up reply actions  

I Give Your Site An "A"

Nice. :)

Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009

Fire Haley now.

Save UCrawford's soul as a Chiefs fan...or lose your own. Take the bet.

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2009/11/9/1123799/the-driver-of-the-fire-haley

by UCrawford on Nov 13, 2009 2:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Poor kid....29 living with his 74 year old dad...but I bet he's got some stories

I remember when that site “only” had a couple thousand folks reading it. It’s going to hit 1 mil. followers soon.

Friggin classic.

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.

by THE_TRUTH on Nov 13, 2009 2:24 PM CST up reply actions  

I am laughing my ass off at this

Check out this one:

“I’m sitting in one of those TGI Friday’s places, and everyone looks like they want to shove a shotgun in their mouth.”

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by Patrick Allen on Nov 13, 2009 2:41 PM CST up reply actions  

It's great stuff, isn't it?

I have that as a favorite on my phone.

When I’ve had a tough day (or the Chiefs lose which has been often), I read that site and it cracks me up every time.

Best twitter site EVER.

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.

by THE_TRUTH on Nov 13, 2009 2:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Haha

That is a good laugh. I don’t know what’s funnier, the context or the fact that the only person he’s following is Levar Burton

Johnnie Morton: The Man. The Myth. The Legend.

by craig in calgary on Nov 13, 2009 3:15 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah

I just spent the last 30 minutes trying to stifle my laughter because it’s 3:30a. Easily the best twitter page I’ve ever seen.

One of my favs – this could be the best piece of advice I’ve ever heard

… people will always try and fuck you. Don’t waste your life planning for a fucking, just be alert when your pants are down.

by Ochophosphate on Nov 14, 2009 3:33 AM CST up reply actions  

And This Is Not Directed At Anyone In Particular, By The Way

Just tired of hearing "He deserves an incomplete" every time I give someone a bad midseason grade. I don’t care if you think my grade is mean…this is a football discussion site, not group therapy.

Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009

Fire Haley now.

Save UCrawford's soul as a Chiefs fan...or lose your own. Take the bet.

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2009/11/9/1123799/the-driver-of-the-fire-haley

by UCrawford on Nov 13, 2009 2:22 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree with your first post on O'Connell being a "D"

With Williams, I just don’t have a game-day opinion of him, so I give him a “I”.

That’s not to say he can’t/couldn’t be anywhere across the spectrum.

Let me play devil’s advocate on myself here: ;-)
Albeit if he’s an “A” or “B” and they aren’t playing him then that’s poor judgement on the coaching staff. Before the season I would have equated his “practice-squad” position to that of the coaching staff not seeing him as being ready.

However, after Goff and Brown’s play/being active….who knows with this staff.

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.

by THE_TRUTH on Nov 13, 2009 2:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Did you see the new Star Trek movie?

Spock couldn’t even do that symbol.
Arthritis is a bitch.

Johnnie Morton: The Man. The Myth. The Legend.

by craig in calgary on Nov 13, 2009 2:17 PM CST up reply actions  

It Made Me Sad

He’s aged horribly the last few years. But it happens to us all eventually.

Except for Dick Clark.

Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009

Fire Haley now.

Save UCrawford's soul as a Chiefs fan...or lose your own. Take the bet.

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2009/11/9/1123799/the-driver-of-the-fire-haley

by UCrawford on Nov 13, 2009 2:20 PM CST up reply actions  

I think Dick Clark had a bad stroke a while back.

He hasn’t made a public appearance in a couple years

Johnnie Morton: The Man. The Myth. The Legend.

by craig in calgary on Nov 13, 2009 2:22 PM CST up reply actions  

You Lie

He’s the same as he ever was.

I’m also convinced he’s a vampire. :)

Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009

Fire Haley now.

Save UCrawford's soul as a Chiefs fan...or lose your own. Take the bet.

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2009/11/9/1123799/the-driver-of-the-fire-haley

by UCrawford on Nov 13, 2009 2:23 PM CST up reply actions  

The movie "Unbreakable" was based on his life story

…true, look it up :)

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.

by THE_TRUTH on Nov 13, 2009 2:25 PM CST up reply actions  

So

You’re saying that Dick Clark’s nemesis was water? This explains so much!!! :)

Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009

Fire Haley now.

Save UCrawford's soul as a Chiefs fan...or lose your own. Take the bet.

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2009/11/9/1123799/the-driver-of-the-fire-haley

by UCrawford on Nov 13, 2009 2:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Perhaps...no wait, I was thinking of that brilliant masterpeice called "Waterworld" {sarcasm}

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.

by THE_TRUTH on Nov 13, 2009 2:33 PM CST up reply actions  

this argument again?

my opinion is that if a player hasn’t had the opportunity to play in games during the regular season… you can’t call him a bust or give him a grade at all.

How can you say he’s not a good player if you haven’t seen him play?

I understand UC’s point about grading the contribution to the team at this point… but I just disagree. I’m happy to give a D or an F if I can name some plays that the player has blown, missed blocks, dropped passes, fumbles, etc.

But, I don’t think they should be given a grade until they’ve had their chance to play

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
* Stats are for losers

by stagdsp on Nov 13, 2009 3:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Who Called Any Of These Guys A Bust?

I didn’t even call the draftees “not good players”.

I gave them their grades on what they’ve contributed (and made it somewhat relative to draft position) and I refuse to consider giving “incompletes”. And I did this because the post asked us to “grade the Chiefs’ rookies” and I think “incomplete” is usually just a euphemism for saying “I don’t want to express an opinion that sounds mean or unfair or that I can be held to.”

It’s a Chiefs fansite where we come to discuss football…if people don’t want to take a stand and express an opinion, why even bother coming here? It’s not like we’re going to take money from you if your opinion turns out to be wrong.

Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009

Fire Haley now.

Save UCrawford's soul as a Chiefs fan...or lose your own. Take the bet.

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2009/11/9/1123799/the-driver-of-the-fire-haley

by UCrawford on Nov 13, 2009 3:10 PM CST up reply actions  

And
But, I don’t think they should be given a grade until they’ve had their chance to play

This is a fair position. But it’s still largely an abstention from expressing an evaluative opinion that can be debated when used to attack other peoples’ ratings of the draftees.

Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009

Fire Haley now.

Save UCrawford's soul as a Chiefs fan...or lose your own. Take the bet.

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2009/11/9/1123799/the-driver-of-the-fire-haley

by UCrawford on Nov 13, 2009 3:12 PM CST up reply actions  

That's me!!

Check me out in the Derrick Thomas jersey hanging over the railing at the Skins game giving high fives! I was hammered ass drunk, but we had a ton of fun!

by PistolP on Nov 13, 2009 3:29 PM CST reply actions  

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