The Good and the Bad of Chiefs WR Lance Long
WR Lance Long has quickly established himself as a major part of the of the Kansas City Chiefs offense. In just two games, he's been targeted more often than Dwayne Bowe, Bobby Wade or any other Chiefs receiver so it's clear that he's becoming a favorite Matt Cassel target.
"Well there’s a reason why he’s on the field on Sunday," Cassel told reporters today. "Obviously the coaches noticed something and noticed that he had a spark and he’s definitely got a great skill-set and a great skill level. He came out Sunday, he prepares hard, he works hard, he’s diligent about what he does, and he came out and he performed.
"Anytime he gets open and I’m able to get him the ball, that’s a good thing."
And get open he does. Last Sunday, he was targeted 11 times and caught eight balls - both team highs.
Long is a soft-spoken guy who you can tell has played under Todd Haley before. I talked to him a few weeks ago in the locker room after he had been taken out of the Chargers game getting knocked in the head pretty good. It was all team, team, team when reporters asked him questions so he's bought into the Haley program.
Unfortunately, not everything is perfect.
While he had an impressive outing against the Jaguars, considering it was his second game, there was one mistake he made that ended up being a major one.
"I think Lance should have been a bright spot," Haley began, "if he had stayed in bounds at the end of the [Jacksonville game] half, which was a killer. It probably cost us points unfortunately. So, what should have been a bright spot for me as a coach it’s hard to overlook that gaffe."
Indeed Long's mistake was crucial and probably stings for Haley a little more since he's coached him before.
With six receivers currently on the roster, it's unlikely all of them will play. As Josh Looney said today, Dwayne Bowe and Chris Chambers are likely safe from being deactivated on Sunday.
As for Long? Well, he's got the stats to show he belongs on the field but, according to Haley, "stats are for losers."
We'll see this weekend when the inactive list how major Long's mistake really was.
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I bet Bradley is inactive for the rest of the year unless there is an injury.
They’ll roll with Bowe, Chambers, Long, and Wade.
Feeling "The Love" and "Drinking the Kool AId"
I think they'll continue to rotate
Bradley will be inactive this week… could be someone else next week
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
yeah I thought he'd get cut after the past few games...
as for long, I just want to say HA HA HA HA HA, to all of you who were picking on us for supporting lance long, saying oh, he only had 20 catches in college, he is a PS player at best….
starting to look like a mini version of wes welker…less production, but works hard, catches the ball…I like the kid.
You're just sayin' that 'cuz you like the kid.
Oh. Yeah. Me, too.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
This guy has more upside then can be taken away by one mistake.
He’s by no means Wes Welker yet but you can see already that that relationship on the field with Welker that Cassel had is translating into this situation. He’s comfortable with him, seems to know where hes going to be and has confidence in him to catch the ball and turn it up field.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
Rookie Mistake
Just a Rookie mistake. Cut the kid a break, Todd. You’re making them, too.
A rookie mistake by a non-rookie player.
But it’s all good. I love th guy. He’s gotta stay on the field and in the lineup. Because the more he plays (like he did in Jacksonville) the more teams are gonna gameplan for him… And what does that do? It gives us the Cassel to Chambers 50 yard bomb AGAIN!
I know that you're afraid... you're afraid of us. You're afraid of change. I don't know the future. I didn't come here to tell you how this is going to end. I came here to tell you how it's going to begin.
'09, a new era begins in Kansas City.
Agree totally
This is a kid that knows he has to give 120% effort on every play. This may be his only chance in the league. It’s no wonder he tried to break something for bigger yardage. I don’t fault him for that. He learned from his mistake.
Upgrade. It seems pretty clear. There's a different vibe with the offense.
Now we need to see that vibe translate into POINTS.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
I don't see him benching the kid
he pubically called him out to drive home his point. I bet Long doesn’t make that same mistake again. Herm would of given him a hug and then he would of made the same mistake again later on in the season.
Feeling "The Love" and "Drinking the Kool AId"
It was a bad mistake...
but really, at the time, the game looked out of reach. Afterwards we made it close. The kid just may have thought screw it, and tried to make something happen. I hope this is not Haley excuse to sit him down.Haley has had a few head scratchers this yr, personelwise IMO.
Huh?
That play was just before the end of the first half. The game was HARDLY out of reach at that point.
If Long steps out of bounds rather than cut inside, the Chiefs wouldn’t have had to call a time out to stop the clock, and could have run at least one more play. It’s not likely they could have made the end zone, but any attempted field goal would have been a LOT more makable for Succop than the 56 yarder he had to try. if they get that FG there, then at minimum, the TD at the end of the game ties it.
So… BIG mistake. But I agree.. he’s a rook, and he’s going to make those.
John
"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!"
I hate to be THAT guy
But if the Chiefs get 3 points to end the half, there is no guarantee that the rest of the game would have gone the way it did. Jacksonville certainly wouldn’t have been playing as loose defense as they were at the end of the game. But then again, maybe it gives the Chiefs momentum and they score more.
I don’t know. I guess we’ll never know.
However, Lance Long was surprising. This kid may just have something! And shit…10 more catches and he’s surpassed his collegiate totals!
PS – he has more catches and yards than DHB :-D
Penn State to Kansas City...Always a winning combination.
Convenient
Well, he’s got the stats to show he belongs on the field but, according to Haley, “stats are for losers.”
I guess this explains why Haley doesn’t realize that a RB getting 2.7 yards per carry with zero touchdowns doesn’t have any business starting for your one win football team.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
Save UCrawford's soul as a Chiefs fan...or lose your own. Take the bet.
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2009/11/9/1123799/the-driver-of-the-fire-haley
And Rushing Stats During The Philly Game
Honestly, the more I hear about Haley the less I think this man is qualified to be a head coach.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
Save UCrawford's soul as a Chiefs fan...or lose your own. Take the bet.
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2009/11/9/1123799/the-driver-of-the-fire-haley
Well at least they released his ass
But it was a little later than it should have been.
This isn't a "kum-bye-yah" campfire! THIS IS FOOTBALL!
Agreed with that one
Why was LJ even kept on this team?
At least they figured out Sackintosh and whoever our RG was last year before the season started (still a little late, but what options did they have really/), but Long better play or I may have to jump on the UCrawford Bandwagon!
I'll take that bet, you're gonna regret, cause Haley's the best that's ever been...
Predicted outcome for the Raidaaa's goes a little something like this:
UCrawford bowed his head because he knew JaMarcus had been beat.
He laid that golden sig line on his profile at Lucas's feet.
Haley said: "UCrawford just come on back if you ever want to try again.
"I told you once, you son of a bitch, I'm the best that's ever been."
Hmm...
Well Long made 1 mistake and yes it was crucial but he also hasn’t been in the league for a long time. Nerves get the best of you sometimes and cause you to make stupid mistakes….but hell, if haley puts long on the Inactive List, Haley should go on that list too because he has made PLENTY of stupid mistakes.
Anyone promoted from PS hasn't been in the league "a long time."
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
I say he was just trying to make a play
He’s the guy that tries his ass off sooo hard to make a play, that sometimes he screws his team. You love it…but it’s maddening.
Plus, I think he was afraid of getting “no balls!” yelled at him for running out of bounds :)
Penn State to Kansas City...Always a winning combination.
i love oour new WR corps
we have solid players and i think chambers is a stop gap for a legit number 2 WR
I like em too...
hopefully they produce all season, then Lawrence gets added to the mix next year…
Dare I say it…
The Chiefs may not even have to draft a WR in 2010!
Who would have thought that?
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
Good...
…I’m not really overly impressed by any of the recievers in the up coming draft. Maybe Dez Bryant but not for the what it would cost to get him.
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.
Good point.
I think the previous mgmt would just feel pretty good if they got the #5 best player, regardless of whether the position went 5-deep in NFL talent. I hope that’s not the case with Pioli.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
Lance Allwor...uh Long...
…catches the short passes that the TE or a RB does, he is like an outlet receiver.
proving us right
some of us were hoping the Chiefs would pick him up since early in the preseason… then, when he was added to the PS, we were just waiting for him to get his shot.
I’m glad he’s proving us right, and showing a spark on the field that the Chiefs really needed.
Probably saves a draft pick that could have otherwise been spent on a slot receiver in 2010
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
I agree...
….say what you will about Long but when you watch him, in Arizona and KC, his play jumps out at you. He is one of the few bright spots in a dark season.
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.
Me, too.
Oh, BTW, on re-watching last week’s game, I didn’t see much of Kenny Smith. Saw his #90 just a few times. He really didn’t see much playing time, best as I could discern from my t.v. and bad eyes.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
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* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
* Stats are for losers
Stats are for losers???
Reason number 42635428 that I hate Todd Haley Stats provide A lot of valubale information… maybe he needs to be looking at stats more closely and he wouldn’t suck so much at life.
yikes... tell us what you really think!
I think he’s right…
sitting around quoting stats doesn’t get you any more wins.
the only stat that really matters is the W/L column
He said that right after he was quoting a bunch of stats that showed the Chiefs were top 10 in the league in several categories, but it hasn’t equated to wins… and that’s what he cares about
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
Agreed
Read the presser and the context, callmesir.
by Joel Thorman on Nov 12, 2009 4:26 PM CST up reply actions
Exactly....
…Wins are all that matter. Don’t get me wrong, stats have their place but not in the final product. Just ask the Giants what they thought about the Patriots “all everything” stats.
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.
Quoting stats doesn't get you anwhere...
you’re right wins and losses are the only things that matter… we’re not winning much, so maybe he needs to pay a bit closer attention to the stats that matter…
I realize my comment was over the top, but it was a hyperbole of my feelings about Haley and his complete lack coaching competence.
L.J being release
hey can anybody tell me how much more cap room that gives us?
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* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
meaning... it doesn't clear up any space
KC still pays his full 2009 salary
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
Maybe $19M under the allowable floor.
Johnnie Morton: The Man. The Myth. The Legend.
by craig in calgary on Nov 12, 2009 4:23 PM CST up reply actions
We are over the minimum
The Chris Chambers deal got us over.
LJ being picked up actually would have accelerated the final $8 million of his bonus money and pushed us even further above the minimum.
by Joel Thorman on Nov 12, 2009 4:27 PM CST up reply actions
good to know
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
chris chamber
I know this has nothing to do with LL but do you think chambers will stay around for acouple years?
maybe...
IF he continues to play well, I’m sure they’d re-sign him
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
defense
Is there anywhere I can talk about our defense cause I have alot to say?
nope, that'll get you banned
j/k
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
84...
Here’s a good spot on the Chiefs defense. It’s a few days old but still a good read (I learned something).
Or throw up a FanShot if you’ve just got a couple of things to say or a FanPost for longer pieces on whatever you want.
by Joel Thorman on Nov 12, 2009 4:55 PM CST up reply actions
as of Nov 7th... 11 million under the cap
http://www.askthecommish.com/salarycap/numbers.asp
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by that website... 11 mill under the cap
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
"Anytime he gets open and I’m able to get him the ball, that’s a good thing."
uhhhhh Matt, anytime ANYONE gets open and you’re able to get them the ball … it’s a good thing … in fact, it might just be a miracle

Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
Its not a cooincidence that he gets open though
He is good at getting open on short routes and he has a knack for knowing where to run to get away from the first tackler. If he didn’t have that going for him, not a lot would be. I think he could be a solid slot receiver and I would like to see some reverses designed for him and see how those play out.
he is one of the quickest guys in the NFL
4.35 ish 40 yd dash
and I think he had the best 3 cone quickness score in the combine when came out
so, he has that going for him… which is nice
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
Damn I had to laugh when I read that stats are for losers comment
considering we’ve won an astounding 1 game
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
Me too. And it sounds exactly like the kind of thing
the team on the other side of the parking lot says whenever they pick some stiff up off the trash pile.
by Black and Gold on Nov 12, 2009 7:06 PM CST up reply actions
I'm pretty sure he meant
That stats don’t mean a damn unless you win a game.
But since everyone here hates Todd Haley, let’s all just take it out of context and call him a jackass.
You take your stats and losses…I’d rather a head coach who cares more about winning a game than compiling 500 yards of offense.
Penn State to Kansas City...Always a winning combination.
He reminds me so much of Wes Welker its scary
Especially when he started at Miami. He was on a horrible team and just kept catching the ball. New England definitely saw the value there.
As for the mistake, what are the odds on him EVER doing that again? I set it a 10,000 to 1
10/19/09: The Chiefs are on their way to an 11-5 season...I think....
10/26/09: Okay, so it'll be 10-6, I can live with that...
11/9/09: So KC spots the league 7 games. 9-7 is respectable.
yah i agree also
what if he had broken free and ran for a td.. noone would have noticed the mistake and everyone would be even more psyched about this guy. It wasn’t a bad play, it was just the timing that was off. I think people are scrutinizing that play a bit to much. Was it a noticeable mistake? Yes. Did it cost them the game? Come on guys, I know you are out there saying if only we had a timeout but lets get real, there were dozens of other reasons we lost that game and Lance Long wasn’t one.
The camera angle
that we had as spectators was behind him so we were able to see the guy that tackled him. From his viewpoint at game speed he had 2 guys ahead of him, 1 whom he directed into a block by cutting back & then he had an easy 10 yards before he would have went out if he couldn’t beat the next guy. However, as we all saw, the tackler from behind was able to catch up when he cut.
It turned out to be the wrong move but from his viewpoint at that moment, I can’t fault him that severely!
Long time kool-aid drinker & too old to learn a new trick! No flip-flopping allowed!
I have a fantasy question
I got Bowe and Breaston this week. Andre Johnson on a bye. Do I pick up Long or Chambers? Receptions count as points.
Mr J
KC Chiefs Fan
In a points per reception, I have to go with Long
Though starting two Chiefs on your roster is not a good thing
I still don’t buy Chambers. His production over the last 3 season in a prolific offense have been ‘bleh’. I could be wrong, but I would want to see it more than once.
Last week he had 3 catches and was thrown to 4 times. If he didn’t become totally uncovered in the 4th quarter he would have had 2 points for the game.
Chambers has played Oakland twice this year already and he has 2 catches for 20 yards on a team with Phillip Rivers.
Go with your gut, but I would look on the waiver wire for a non-Chief first, then to Long second
10/19/09: The Chiefs are on their way to an 11-5 season...I think....
10/26/09: Okay, so it'll be 10-6, I can live with that...
11/9/09: So KC spots the league 7 games. 9-7 is respectable.
yah dont get a chief...
look for another receiver… but if they REALLY are all that is there it’s really a toss up because any given week either of them could catch a TD. Long will get thrown at more and as a slot guy he gets a lot of different coverage and is open more during the game, but he is a little bit less likely to get thrown at in the endzone than Chambers in my opinion. Long is the safe bet, Chambers the riskier.
So Haley's PO'd?
OK, let’s assume this story is correct, & Haley is PO’d about Long’s not going out of bounds late in the first half. You know, if the Chiefs had a time out, Long’s gaining 5 extra yard would’ve been a good thing. Oh! Ya know what? Haley used a time out on our first series after trying to draw Jax off sides at 4th & less than 1. If Haley wants to be PO’d at someone, perhaps he should look in a mirror for his target.
This comes under the heading of damned if you do
and damned if you don’t. At that moment, I also worried that we’d need that timeout later. Turns out we did. But you know… that kind of play is SOP in the NFL. Sometimes it works… and sometimes it doesn’t. Even as a guy who is often critical of Haley, I was fine with taking a shot at it – and I also thought the shift in the backfield was a clever way to draw an offsides call.
That said… it is incumbent on every player to know the situation. Long should have realized there was only one timeout left, and that it needed to be conserved. He admitted after the game that he thought the Chiefs had two left, rather than one. In other words… he made a conscious decision to play smart… but just had the wrong information in his head. Either way, the mistake is on Long’s shoulders.
John
"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!"
Indeed.
Most of the time, teams seem to go into the half with time outs still on the board. When I saw that play I actually commented on that. Would have been awesome if it worked, but I wasn’t particularly upset that it didn’t. I do wish we had a play designed for if they didn’t jump though.
Long can catch,
he is fearless, and he was fighting for that yardage. He made a mental mistake in his first action here with the Chiefs. He’s probably beating himself up about it, because he’s the type that wants to do the best he can for his team. I’m glad to have him on board for two reasons: he’s gonna make the other receivers step their game up, he brings that scrappy fighter mentality this team has been missing for a long time now……welcome aboard Lance, I’ll be applauding your efforts.
A lot of us were calling for Long for a while...
I’m glad we signed him. Big boost for the Chiefs WRs! We finally have a WR corps we can be proud of. Bowe, Long, Chambers, Wade… That’s a pretty damn serious WR corps if you ask me.
I think the Chiefs passing game will improve a lot before seasons end. Especially with the fact that Goff and Niswanger are not on the O-line anymore. I think Alleman and Ndukwe will be able to buy #7 a little more time to get the ball to these guys.
He makes one mistake
Brown makes multible mistakes resulting in touch downs. one is young, the other you have a problem, at least i do, accepting that from a “old” pro.
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