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Grading the Chiefs Rookies At The Halfway Point, Part Two

Welcome to Part Two of our Grading the Rookies series. If you've missed Part One, you can find it here. We'll finish things up tomorrow by looking at the Chiefs late round draft choices. For today, we take a closer look at the middle rounds of the draft that offered up a surprising choice in the fourth round and a project in the fifth.

To get a good idea of measurement, we'll take a look at three things:

*The half-season stat totals

*What was being said at the time of the draft

*What we can tell at this early stage of their career

The details can all be found starting with Donald Washington after the jump:

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Donald Washington, Fourth Round Pick (102 overall)
Meaningful Stats
: 3 total tackles, 0 interceptions, 0 pass defense

What Was Said: "Washington is a tall corner but lacks exceptional speed. He came out a year early, plays well in coverage and had an outstanding three-cone time. He may have been better served to stay in school because he's unpolished in certain areas. He may struggle early until he learns the pro game." -NFL.com

What We Can Tell: Thus far, we've been through three rookies and again, we can't tell much. Although in the quote noted above, this was quite expected. Even the people we interviewed around Ohio State couldn't tell me much about Donald Washington. The skills and athleticism might be there, but we've yet to see those translate to anything meaningful in the pro game.

And there's really been no chance so far. Those three tackles all came in the Cowboys game in Week Five and then he's been inactive for every contest ever since. It'd be nice to see him get even some junk time, but hey, I'm not the coach.

The thing about this pick, to me, is how surprising it was. A project like this is usually reserved for the fifth round or later. After all, in perspective, this pick was sitting right outside the Top 100. And I had a hard time finding anyone thinking Donald Washington was one of the 100 best players available in the draft. With so many obvious positions of need on the Chiefs, this was the draft's curveball on my end. That's not say that Washington won't pan out at all, it's more the factors surrounding the choice.

Colin Brown, Fifth Round Pick (139 overall)
Meaningful Stats:
None

What Was Said: "The Chiefs add a promising young tackle to their rotation with the selection of Brown. The former Tiger will provide quality depth for the team as a potential swing-tackle prospect." -NFL.com

"Fifth-round choice Colin Brown, who played center, guard and tackle over his career at Missouri. He's athletic, having been a McDonald's All-America nominee and all-state performer in basketball at Braymer (Mo.) High School. He made 28 starts at right tackle with the Tigers very productive pass offense, so he knows how to protect the quarterback. He's not just tall at nearly 6-8, but he's big boned and could probably add more weight. The Chiefs see him as a right tackle." - NFLDraftScout.com

"He doesn't have much experience blocking within a prototypical NFL running game. Missouri almost exclusively ran zone running plays where backs would take a delayed handoff out of the shotgun, pick a hole along the line and go from there. I wouldn't say this makes for a weakness, but Brown just doesn't have recent experience within a pro-style offense." -Sportswriter Dave Matter, Columbia Daily Tribune

What We Can Tell: There's not much to be said for a guy who's yet to play any minutes, even on an offensive line as needy or broken as the Chiefs. Then again, Brown was described as a project by virtually everyone around him. Still those we interviewed around draft time from his alma mater believe his combo of size and raw power were worth taking a risk on. Perhaps not in the fifth round, but really how can you tell this late in the draft.

More to come in Part Three

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Colin Brown

He’s been on IR since the week before final cut down to 53.

by Lost in Denver on Nov 12, 2009 10:09 AM CST reply actions  

That's why the delayed hand-off out of the shotgun on 3rd down

Isn’t working… that was Colin Brown’s blocking strength and he’s on IR…..

2009-10 Predictions:
1. Chiefs will win ATLEAST 6 games, which is a big improvement over 6 wins in 2 seasons
2. Succop will bring stability to the K position for the first time in years
3. Chiefs D will atleast double the number of sacks form last season
4. Cassel will be a top 15 QB
5. Todd Haley won't make a poster and jump around holding it up welcoming the Chiefs players to summer camp, I mean TRAINING camp

by Chiefs_KC on Nov 12, 2009 10:10 AM CST reply actions  

Washington and Brown = RAW....

…will take some time to develope both of these guys but I think we all knew that when they drafted them.

Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.

by BigRedChief on Nov 12, 2009 10:11 AM CST reply actions  

This report is not headed in the right direction

when the very last pick in the draft is the only guy who has made a meaningful contribution.

by HowSweetItIs on Nov 12, 2009 10:11 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

Succop for MVP!

Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.

by BigRedChief on Nov 12, 2009 10:13 AM CST up reply actions  

written by Brandon Funston at yahoo sports

“Words don’t adequately express how poor the KC secondary has been this season. KC allows 14.1 yards per catch (2nd-most in the NFL). It has allowed 12 pass plays of 40+ yards, most in the NFL, and ranks last in the league with just 3 INTs. Certainly its last line of defense gets no help from its first line of defense – its 10 sacks is the 2nd-fewest in the league”

by Sea of RED on Nov 12, 2009 10:33 AM CST reply actions  

succop is for real

Its funny when that guy lines up for a kick I’m pretty confident he’s going to hammer it home. He by far is the biggest impact in this years draft. And if jackson can keep makin tackles we r in business

FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.

by sexassassin on Nov 12, 2009 10:37 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

Grades

Donald Washington: D. He doesn’t get a failing grade only because he’s a 4th round pick, but if he was 3rd or higher I’d probably go F. In fact, I honestly have no idea why the Chiefs drafted him.

Colin Brown: F. Injured before season begins equals fail, no matter where the player’s drafted.

Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009

Fire Haley now.

by UCrawford on Nov 12, 2009 10:39 AM CST reply actions  

re: Colin Brown

Yeah I totally agree on that one. It should have been obvious to Pioli that Colin Brown would be injured in training camp & have to go on IR.

Predictions:

Kansas City will not win more than four games in 2009
Kansas City will have a new OC and DC in 2010
Kansas City will win at least seven games in 2010

by jmcgoblue on Nov 12, 2009 11:17 AM CST up reply actions   2 recs

how?

how would they have known Brown was going to be injured in training camp? Did he have a history of being injured? AP had a history of being injured and look at him.

by TDubb on Nov 12, 2009 11:30 AM CST up reply actions  

yeah

I thought the sarcasm of my post was self-evident :)

I was pretty shocked at taking Brown in the 5th, but I guess his supposed athleticism as a big guy made the Chiefs not want to take any chances in losing him before the 6th.

Predictions:

Kansas City will not win more than four games in 2009
Kansas City will have a new OC and DC in 2010
Kansas City will win at least seven games in 2010

by jmcgoblue on Nov 12, 2009 11:45 AM CST up reply actions  

Actually

I was saying he gets an F so far because he’s produced nothing so far. I didn’t say that an F is all the guy’s ever going to be.

Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009

Fire Haley now.

Save UCrawford's soul as a Chiefs fan...or lose your own. Take the bet.

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2009/11/9/1123799/the-driver-of-the-fire-haley

by UCrawford on Nov 12, 2009 12:05 PM CST up reply actions  

ok

in that context an F makes sense.

Predictions:

Kansas City will not win more than four games in 2009
Kansas City will have a new OC and DC in 2010
Kansas City will win at least seven games in 2010

by jmcgoblue on Nov 12, 2009 12:19 PM CST up reply actions  

For All The Ratings

I’m just going to go off of production to the point that we’re doing grades as well as taking into account draft position. Not really considering potential in this one.

Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009

Fire Haley now.

Save UCrawford's soul as a Chiefs fan...or lose your own. Take the bet.

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2009/11/9/1123799/the-driver-of-the-fire-haley

by UCrawford on Nov 12, 2009 1:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Just a suggestion:

Maybe you should give out an I for “incomplete” rather than an F. That would be a fair way to grade Brown. ;-)

It's years like this that I wish I was a bear. Hibernation would make it so much easier.

by Red N Gold Beast on Nov 12, 2009 12:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Meh

“F”, “incomplete”…end result is still the same.

Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009

Fire Haley now.

Save UCrawford's soul as a Chiefs fan...or lose your own. Take the bet.

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2009/11/9/1123799/the-driver-of-the-fire-haley

by UCrawford on Nov 12, 2009 1:41 PM CST up reply actions  

to me...

an “F” means they are playing terribly, and not doing their job

an “incomplete” means they haven’t had an opportunity to show anything yet.

I’d certainly give “incomplete” grades to: Washington, Brown, O’Connell, Williams, Lawrence and probably even Magee

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Nov 12, 2009 2:32 PM CST up reply actions  

you wouldn't give a kid an "F" in school

if he never enrolled in any classes

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Nov 12, 2009 2:44 PM CST up reply actions  

I Would Give Him An F

If he never showed up for any of the tests.

Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009

Fire Haley now.

Save UCrawford's soul as a Chiefs fan...or lose your own. Take the bet.

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2009/11/9/1123799/the-driver-of-the-fire-haley

by UCrawford on Nov 12, 2009 4:05 PM CST up reply actions  

I wouldn't

IF the teacher wouldn’t let him take any of those tests

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Nov 12, 2009 6:29 PM CST up reply actions  

AND

you couldn’t flunk a kid who missed the whole semester because he was sick or injured

:)

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Nov 12, 2009 6:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Does This Hypothetical Class Of Yours

Grade their students on their ability to withstand regular beatings by 300 pound men?

Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009

Fire Haley now.

Save UCrawford's soul as a Chiefs fan...or lose your own. Take the bet.

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2009/11/9/1123799/the-driver-of-the-fire-haley

by UCrawford on Nov 13, 2009 12:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Our Disagreement Here Is An Inconsequential One

You’re getting hung up on an issue of semantics. I don’t really do incompletes…I do A-F for grades. Brown’s being graded on football performance. Injuries are a part of football. He got injured before the season started so I give him an F. I’m not saying that he meant to fail or that the Chiefs should have known they got hurt. Just that he hasn’t played a single game for them so they’ve gotten no production from that draft pick.

It’s just a player grade…not a character evaluation.

Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009

Fire Haley now.

Save UCrawford's soul as a Chiefs fan...or lose your own. Take the bet.

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2009/11/9/1123799/the-driver-of-the-fire-haley

by UCrawford on Nov 13, 2009 12:33 PM CST up reply actions  

The Enrollment In This Analogy

Would be equivalent to signing a contract. Brown signed one…so he enrolled.

Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009

Fire Haley now.

Save UCrawford's soul as a Chiefs fan...or lose your own. Take the bet.

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2009/11/9/1123799/the-driver-of-the-fire-haley

by UCrawford on Nov 12, 2009 4:05 PM CST up reply actions  

enrolling, in MY analogy

means GIVEN PLAYING TIME…

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Nov 12, 2009 6:30 PM CST up reply actions  

If I remember correctly

Colin Brown worked out throughout the entire Training Camp and Preseason and was mysteriously placed on IR right before the cut down.

Sounds to me like the Chiefs like him but knew he wasnt ready YET…so they put him on injured reserve to prevent losing him via waivers. I’m sure he had to have some sort of injury to be put on IR but I honestly dont think it was serious. There was never any report of Brown being injured in practice or in a game. I remember everyone speculating and most of us came to the conclusion that hes just not ready, but definately worth keeping.

by Petey14 on Nov 13, 2009 2:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Looking Back

Even though it’s way too early to tell almost all these picks look like reaches. It’s almost like Pioli’s used his draft strategy of picking at the end of the round he was used to with NE.
At this point I don’t expect much from J williams since he was a 7th but they passed on jennings at RB he has been productive.
The draft has not been kind to the cheifs, lookat the 08 draft, picking S,RB,TE in the 3rd was a huge mistake, could have grabbed some OL for sure.

by SDChiefsFan on Nov 12, 2009 10:51 AM CST reply actions  

I'm Okay With Jamaal Charles

But I’d much rather have had Jeremy Zuttah and Anthony Collins out of the ’08 draft instead of Morgan and Cottam.

Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009

Fire Haley now.

Save UCrawford's soul as a Chiefs fan...or lose your own. Take the bet.

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2009/11/9/1123799/the-driver-of-the-fire-haley

by UCrawford on Nov 12, 2009 10:59 AM CST up reply actions  

Collins

that one hurts so bad. I wanted the Chiefs to take him. Ya got to give to them, the Bengals have drafted incredibly well the past 3-4 seasons. That’s why their success this season doesn’t surprise me.

Welcome to Chiefs REBUILD - Version 2.0 /The Clark Hunt Edition
Chiefs will be lucky to go 4-12 in 2010

by KansasCityShuffle on Nov 12, 2009 11:39 AM CST up reply actions  

I Don't Understand Why The Chiefs Didn't Take Him

He fit a need and he was a talented player at RT at least. He’s been doing well for the Bengals this season.

I was swearing up a blue storm at the TV screen when they called off Morgan’s and Cottam’s name and not Collins’. Apparently Peterson soured on the guy for some reason, which just confirmed to me that Peterson was a terrible drafter.

Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009

Fire Haley now.

Save UCrawford's soul as a Chiefs fan...or lose your own. Take the bet.

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2009/11/9/1123799/the-driver-of-the-fire-haley

by UCrawford on Nov 12, 2009 12:04 PM CST up reply actions  

We could have taken Steve Justice

In the fifth, or was it the sixth in 08, I think Indy took him with a compensatory pick, and I don’t know if Minnesota picked him up off of the practice squad or traded for him, but he’s hiking the ball to Farve and clearing running room for Peterson.

by mcclanahanman on Nov 12, 2009 4:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Yanno

I think Carl finally began to get the hang of it towards the end of his career here. Definitely Carl was responsible for shitty drafts but once he began working with Herm I think he began to get better. Even before Herm Carl was picking up talent from second day picks (like Dante Hall, Fujita, Beisel, Fujita, Terdell Sands, Jimmy Wilkerson, and JA. DJ, Colquitt, LJ, and Kawika Mitchell I think were also good selections when it comes to earlier rounds). I’m by no means endorsing Peterson as GM and I think he stunk also, but pointing out he’s not as bad as people made him out to be. Plainly put, I think we would have been a more fun team to watch this season if Carl & Herm got to finish out their contracts. We suck anyways, might as well got to see the ‘finished product’ of 3 year rebuild that we had to sit through painfully for 2 years, only to have it stopped midway and restarted.

If we kept the 4-3 and the personnel to run it, we WOULD have drafted either Everette Brown or Michael Johnson. If not both. Not to mention Aaron Curry. Curry and Everette Brown would have made a world of difference on last years defense.

Welcome to Chiefs REBUILD - Version 2.0 /The Clark Hunt Edition
Chiefs will be lucky to go 4-12 in 2010

by KansasCityShuffle on Nov 12, 2009 5:38 PM CST up reply actions  

DJ

has not shown that he was worth a 1st round pick. I dont even consider LJ a good first round pick considering hes only had 2 good seasons in a career full of missed games either due to injury or suspension/deactivation. Especially when that pick was supposed to be used on Troy Polamalu..

Peterson was terrible because he traded away or cut all his picks. Hall stayed during his prime, but Fujita left, Beisel left, Sands left, Wilkerson left, JA left..Kawika Mitchell left too. I didnt include LJ because he hasnt signed with anyone yet.

Peterson didnt draft well until Herm came in and even Herm made some suspect picks..but he did get us a decent secondary even though they are struggling now. I never understood why he picked pollard though knowing that pollard wasnt a coverage safety and we were running a Cover 2..which generally requires 2 coverage safties..

by Petey14 on Nov 13, 2009 2:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Hard to grade a draft half-way through the first season

I don’t know if any of the picks last year were reaches outside of T. Jackson. It was a weak draft class and a player here or there wasn’t going to turn the Cheifs in SB contenders this year, there’s a lot of work to do. Look at the Broncos draft for comparison, two 1st rd draft picks, Moreno has been average to below average (worse numbers than Buckhalter), Ayers has fewer tackles than T. Jackson, and he’s playing OLB on some downs in a 3-4 where he should be getting tackles and sacks. Broncos also traded a 1st rd pick in 2010 to take CB Alfonso Smith in rd 2 last year and he just lost his job to Ty Law who was with the team for less than a week. That’s three 1st rd picks not contributing for them this year.

2009-10 Predictions:
1. Chiefs will win ATLEAST 6 games, which is a big improvement over 6 wins in 2 seasons
2. Succop will bring stability to the K position for the first time in years
3. Chiefs D will atleast double the number of sacks form last season
4. Cassel will be a top 15 QB
5. Todd Haley won't make a poster and jump around holding it up welcoming the Chiefs players to summer camp, I mean TRAINING camp

by Chiefs_KC on Nov 12, 2009 11:03 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

rec'd

and of course it’s too early to get a good feeling for how the draft was, but when the team’s 1-7 you’ve got to find something to talk about. and i do find it interesting that Chiefs’ draft picks who looked like reaches at the time still look like reaches.

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by benfunke on Nov 12, 2009 11:29 AM CST up reply actions  

Is it sad that I'm already looking towards next year's draft?

There’s so much talent coming in 2010 that I can hardly contain myself. Pioli has to hit on sure fire starters with at least 4 picks, IMO. OL, OL, LB, S are the most glaring problem areas. If Pioli doesn’t get a good draft class after HIS scouts and HIS staff is fully in place, there’s going to be huge problems.

It's years like this that I wish I was a bear. Hibernation would make it so much easier.

by Red N Gold Beast on Nov 12, 2009 12:20 PM CST reply actions  

Jackson wasnt a reach

imo because he was the best player of need (we had the WORST DL in the league, our LB’s were getting flattened by OL’s, we needed another big body on that DL. Its considered a reach because he could have been taken at pick 10 or 12 but Pioli mentioned that he wanted to trade down and had no takers. If you COULD trade down and get your pick, do it, but if not..take the guy whos going to most improve your team, NOT the BPA. BPA is not a very good way to rebuild your team, especially when the BPA isnt really one of your positions of need.

C Brown wasnt a reach either. I dont think C Brown would have made it to the 6th round. D. Wash however..I believe he was taken too high.

by Petey14 on Nov 13, 2009 2:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Mcgee

Could be argued he was a reach as well. I mean reality is that we are only going of draft prognosticators predictions in most cases and it is too early to really tell. It just seams for a team with so many needs they went with potential over stability in most of the picks.

by SDChiefsFan on Nov 12, 2009 3:08 PM CST reply actions  

actually, I heard that he was considered a very good value at that point

Pioli said he didn’t expect him to still be on the board there, and the Bears were reportedly going to draft him if KC didn’t

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Nov 12, 2009 6:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Thats right

Magee wasnt a reach either.

I think its funny because the 08 draft ppl talked about how much value we got for our picks (alot of our picks were projected to go earlier and they just kept falling to us) and then halfway through the season people were talking about Morgan, Cottam and Charles bein reaches and all that.

Truth of the matter is, we still dont know who is and who wasnt a reach in the 08 draft. We definately dont know whos a reach in the 09 draft.

by Petey14 on Nov 13, 2009 2:36 PM CST up reply actions  

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