Charles grossly underused in Jacksonville game
Despite all of this, Charles had nine touches (6 carries, 36 yards; 3 catches, 19 rec. yards).
But here's my scientific proof: The Chiefs had 12 drives in this game. On seven of those possessions, Charles either touched the ball or was targeted with a pass. That means that he wasn't involved in the offense in those other five drives.
Here's the breakdown:
On the seven drives that Charles saw the ball go his way, Kansas City scored 20 points and averaged an amazing 35.7 yards per possession.
On the five drives that Charles didn't get a touch or a target, Kansas City scored three points and averaged a laughable 8.4 yards per possession.
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Heh.
Walterfootball.com has ridden us terribly since the Matt Cassel trade. Routine says that he has a “weak, girly arm”.
Very rarely do they actually watch our games…mostly just catch the statlines and sometimes the play-by-play. This was a nice surprise analysis out of them. Glad to see something other than the standard “Chiefs suck” that usually is there. =)
"I don't know if I want to go to New York. They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City." -- Roger Maris
cassel does have a weak girly arm. he’s been terrible for us. he even underthrew chambers on the first td…
by EyePod on Nov 12, 2009 6:24 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Nope
But he’s definitely a kindred spirit and candidate for the Devil’s Bandwagon (which is still taking applications for membership, by the way). :)
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And Yes
I am a staunch believer that Jamaal Charles is being criminally underused by Todd Haley. In fact, Haley seems obsessed with finding ways not to give Charles carries.
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Similar to DJ? I mean, every time that DJ comes into the game he seems to make a play. I really think that Haley/Pioli don’t want to use players from the old group if they can. I mean, how many times did you see Donald Washington get BURNED when he was in? It was ridiculous.
I'm Not All That Bothered By DJ
I mean, I think it’s kind of silly how he’s gotten buried on the depth chart and he’s not a third-stringer, but then the guy’s been the epitome of underwhelming for most of his career here. I question the wisdom of the benching, but I’m not that angered by it.
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i agree
but still wish he was out there more
A man who says he can, and a man who says he can't are both right. Which one are you?
Me Too
If only because our defense has been pretty bad and I don’t think it’s likely that DJ being in the lineup would make it worse (and it could possibly make it better).
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by UCrawford on Nov 11, 2009 8:39 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Charles On The Other Hand
Has never really gotten a shot to be the man. And I think that’s absolutely ridiculous because he’s been very productive in the time he’s gotten.
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I wouldn't put any of the young RBs in the position of trying to be "the man" just yet.
Use them in short spurts. Spread their exposure to d-linemen amongst them, more or less evenly. I really don’t think the Chiefs have any RB problems. They’re just in a holding pattern ’til they get an o-line and Cassel gets some reps with Chambers and Long, and (hopefully) a TE emerges as the dominant candidate amongst the dregs on the roster.
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Interesting
I kind of agree. But by the same philosophy, shouldn’t we bench Cassel? Cassel is getting pummeled. And with the investment we’ve made in him we can ill afford for him to come down with Trent Green syndrome. Or call it Steve Young syndrome. Or maybe Troy Aikmen syndrome. Even ‘whatever QB detroit has’ syndrome. Eventually, concussions will ruin his potential unless we protect him.
Sit him for the season. At a record of 1-7, who are we kidding?
Cassel's the most rugged QB remaining on the roster.
But yeah, I wouldn’t spent that much money on him and neglected the O-Line for his first year the way they did. I think the calculus was “He’s tough and can take a beating, and all we need is a SMALL improvement up front in the short term, while we get started right away turning the defense around.” In 2 or 3 years, the young defensive linemen we have, plus whomever else they add will have everyone singing Pioli’s praises.
If Cassel survives this season – a phrase I’ve used OFTEN on AP. I’m not blind to your line of reasoning AT ALL!!! And nice job extending my line of reasoning.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
Our O-line didn't improve like we'd hoped.
One of the key problems is the demotion of Bicknell and the addition of Muir. I mean we can talk about personnel changes on the player level until we’re blue in the face but still the Chiefs current O-line is worse, even though it appears to be better manned than the 2008 squad. Under Bicknell, the O-line showed improvement throughout the 2008 season.
But Haley’s not an O-line coach, he’s a head coach… and an Offensive Coordinator… All t he more reason for Haley to realize he has a crappy O-line, and start planning around it! When your O-line lets in more men than Paris Hilton… how do you compensate? I say you need a back speedy enough to create his own holes. Jamaal is the fastest guy on our team. Period. For a running back, his 40 time is elite. And unlike some track stars (q.v. many Oakland players) he brings that speed to the game with him.
not quite
the line only appeared to improve because of the arrowspread…thats well documented. isnt bicknell now coaching TE’s? i could be wrong but if correct, i dont think its a coincidence that now all the sudden, our TE’s cant block.
by MountainManMike on Nov 12, 2009 3:44 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, Bicknell's the TE coach
People praised him for Albert’s development. And Hackintosh’s late blooming during the season. Hackintosh is now gone and Albert has definitely taken a step back. For his good performance, Bicknell was one of the few coahes whose services was retained, but he was demoted to TE Coach, even though he has zero tight end experience. So yeah, it may take him a season or two to get up to speed in the role. His replacement on the O-line (Muir) is aging, and all but washed up.
I'm wondering the same thing about Cottam.
Is he really that much worse than what we’ve seen from our other TEs this season? Didn’t he play well, if not stunningly, last season?
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Nov 11, 2009 9:15 PM CST up reply actions
Seemed on the rise THEN. Since preseason '09, he's looked like the worst of a bad rotation @ TE.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
How can you say that?
He never gets in the game! He’s only played in 2 out of 8 games.
He’s one of the guys that got in Haleys doghouse for seemingly no reason. If Haley doesn’t like the way he practices, he will punish him no matter how good he might be in a game.
Cottam doesn't kiss Haley's ass. Neither does DJ.
I’m really tired of Haley favoring ass kissing losers.
Honestly
I don’t see much of a reason behind Cottam’s benching except that the other TEs are guys Haley brought in and Cottam isn’t. Considering how unimpressively the TE corps has been performing, I don’t understand why Cottam doesn’t get more of a shot.
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Every time I've seen him in games (and he started preseason as #1 TE, IIRC (and I might not)),
he’s looked like the worst of a bad group.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
Bicknell.
Is part of the problem. He’s a great coach, with a track record of helping players reach the next level, but he has zero experience coaching tight ends, at any level. Why he was demoted to tight end coach still mystifies and infuriates me in equal measures.
hmm...
interesting how now our TE’s rnt very good and even our “blocking” TE’s cant block. cottam has seemingly taken a step back.
by MountainManMike on Nov 12, 2009 3:47 AM CST up reply actions
NONE of our TEs were known for being blockers before coming here.
It was a head-scratcher to ME, because I was expecting “block first, catch second.” But the league is full of “catch first, block-like-a-matador” types, and the four we have are no exception.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
you should probably put a link to that post in your signature, if you can
its off the main page and not rec’d enough to be showing up. not that i’ve taken your deal with the devil, but just sayin…
Appreciate The Suggestion
Hadn’t even thought of that. I’ll add it later. Thanks,
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I'll take that bet, but with one caveat
“Fire Haley the O.C. now.”
I won’t committ to calling for his head as the H.C. It’s just too early for me.
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius, in contrary to Glenn Dorsey lining up in the 2-tech
I want to see Charles get twenty carries and see what happens
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Charles got 18 caries, 106 yards, and 5.9 ypc…. of course he fumbled during this game, but still. Is there a chance that Haley is afraid to give him the ball because of his fumble-itis? I mean, I love Charles and all, but I do get scared when he’s running through a pile….
this would be the time ...
to give him the ball and let him get those fumbles out of his system IMO……the season is a wash as far as having a winning record…..Id rather give him the ball and take my chances he will get me 5 yrds a carry with the possibility of fumbling,than to give Cassel 40+ passes a game and he end up completing 18 of those for 165 yrd and a garbage time TD….give the kid the damn ball and let him move us down the friggin field!!!!!!!
Agree 100%
I’ve heard so many times that Charles is “not the kind of back that can carry the load”. And we know that…how? Let’s give the guy a chance for a few games. He’s hung in there…he’s earned that chance, I think. Where we are right now, do we seriously have anything to lose?
If he can’t get it done…then he can’t get it done. But the “potential” thing only goes so far. Let’s find out. Haley was willing to give LJ 20+ touches a game…and he wasn’t doing a freakin’ thing. Why does he seem to have a problem with giving one of the other back that many chances a game? Charles, Smith, Savage…I don’t care who (although stilI think Charles deserves the first chance). There is only one way to find out what any one of these guys have. PLAY THEM!
Totally agree
I don’t know that I’ve ever seen Haley give Charles the ball in an I formation with a Fullback. Its always these crappy delayed draws and shovel passes.
We know he has the speed to get to the edge. Lets see if he has the vision to hit the hole going full speed and find out what happens.
It’s almost like Haley loves his speed so much he doesn’t want to use him as an actual running back.
Letting anybody but a slow but rugged LJ "carry the load" is just asking to get your best RB candidate hurt.
And, frankly, the offense hasn’t achieved enough success with ANY configuration in the backfield for anyone to really emerge as the best guy. Barry Sanders couldn’t do half the things Charles can do, but Dantrell can probably do more of the things that Sander could than Charles could. What’s cool is to have that kind of diversity on the depth chart and yet they’re both quick enough that you can use either of ’em in the same offense (although Charles currently looks scarier if split wide).
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
HAHA
Barry Sanders couldn’t do half the things Charles can do
Sorry, my brother, but you are on crack…I think Jamaal is a very talented player but Barry Sanders was quite possibly the greatest running back of all time and he played behind a horrible o-line for most of his career and still almost took the rushing record.
Now if you were to say that Emmitt Smith couldn’t do all of the things that Charles could do, then that might make sense…but Sanders was a freak.
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by UCrawford on Nov 11, 2009 10:04 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
And Barry got caught from behind and stood 4 foot 13 in his socks.
Jamaal can do some things catching the ball downfield that Barry couldn’t, and Charles doesn’t get caught from behind. If he’s past you, you’re no longer relevant to the play, unless as a blocker on the fumble return.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
Was going to laugh in your face too
But you’re correct on those two points.
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius, in contrary to Glenn Dorsey lining up in the 2-tech
by ArrowSpread on Nov 11, 2009 10:49 PM CST up reply actions
Dude, You're Reaching
First, Sanders’ height is irrelevant (even though you’re wrong about it because the man was 5’8" and had legs like a 260 pound Samoan)…his production is all that matters. And the man averaged 5 yards a carry for his career as a primary back. He never had less than 255 carries in any season (Charles has never achieved that) and never had a season-long run of less than 34 yards (Charles’ longest run in his career has been 30 yards). There is zero statistical evidence to support your position and as a man who watched Barry Sanders’ career extensively (because he remains my all-time favorite non-Chiefs player and I watched the Lions whenever they were on while he played for them) I never saw any anecdotal evidence to support your position either.
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I think he's speaking loosely when he says "half the things"
But IS definitely faster, and probably functions better as a receiver out of the backfield.
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius, in contrary to Glenn Dorsey lining up in the 2-tech
by ArrowSpread on Nov 11, 2009 10:55 PM CST up reply actions
The Only Reason Sanders Wasn't A Better Receiver
Is that the Lions never used him in that role. Barry Sanders was the most perfect running back the NFL has ever seen. He played on a shit team that would have won 1-2 games a season if he wasn’t there and Wayne Fontes owes Sanders his career.
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I can't argue with that
Best ever, imo.
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius, in contrary to Glenn Dorsey lining up in the 2-tech
by ArrowSpread on Nov 11, 2009 10:58 PM CST up reply actions
And Since You Obviously Need A Refresher For Your Defective Memory
Here you go.
Jamaal Charles has never pulled a move like the one where Sanders spun that New England defensive back. And you’ll note the multiple highlights of him outrunning defensive backs in the open field.
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Actually
They didn’t have the clip of the New England DB getting spun in the first link…here it is (2:35 mark)
The gang tackle he broke out of at the 2:10 mark made a friend of mine who was a rabid Bears fan believe that Sanders was actually God. We were watching that game, it was at the end of the 4th with the Bears up by five as I recall and Sanders got nailed behind the line by multiple tacklers. My buddy jumped up and cheered “Sanders sucks!!!” at me, then screamed in horror as Sanders spun up out of the pile and ran the length of the field, putting the Lions ahead. The Lions lost that game because their defense fell apart when the Bears offense took the field but my buddy refused to ever say a negative word about Barry Sanders ever again…he was convinced that Sanders would somehow hear him. It was an almost religious terror…no joke.
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I didn't say Charles is better than Sanders.
Running faster than everybody and being a receiving threat is close to half of what Charles does, I reckon. If you parse for meaning rather than just waiting your turn to regale us with the MANY wonderful things Barry did, you really would have nothing to gripe about. You’re swingin’ at air, UC.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
No, You Insinuated That Sanders Was A Slow Runner
And you were in error, as the clips I provided showed quite clearly. :)
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Not To Mention
That Jamaal Charles hasn’t yet broken off a run in his career that exceeds Sanders’ worst season-long run. If Charles was such a burner and Charles wasn’t, he should have at least exceeded that by now.
By the way, Sanders’ average season-long run was 61.4 yards…more than half the length of the field and twice the length of the longest run of Jamaal Charles’ career. :)
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Correction
If Charles was such a burner and Sanders wasn’t, Charles should have at least exceeded that by now.
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Well, speed isn't the only factor in relation to big plays
You also have to have the vision, and the ability to make people miss, which isn’t predicated on speed.
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius, in contrary to Glenn Dorsey lining up in the 2-tech
by ArrowSpread on Nov 11, 2009 11:30 PM CST up reply actions
I should say isn't SOLEY predicated on speed.
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius, in contrary to Glenn Dorsey lining up in the 2-tech
by ArrowSpread on Nov 11, 2009 11:31 PM CST up reply actions
My comment still stands
You make the statement that since Charles may be faster than he should have exceeded Sanders average season-long run.
Speed is not the only factor in relation to big plays.
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius, in contrary to Glenn Dorsey lining up in the 2-tech
Early in his career, Sanders was straight-line faster than later, 4 sure.
But Charles is still faster.
Not the point I intended to make, which was the reason Sanders came to mind at all: Savage seems QUICKER and harder to get a piece of in traffic than Charles. Can’t believe I got baited into this, but I prob’ly asked for it.
And I’ll stand by Charles being straight-line faster than Sanders and with more receiving potential that Sanders. But you never heard me say that I’d take Charles over Sanders. That was just y’all lookin’ to punk someone (me). :o)
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
Savage reminds me more of a Sanders than Charles does, in other words.
Savage looks more like a runningback to me than Charles does. But I like both players, but I LOVE Barry Sanders.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
dude, i dunno if you remember this
but charles got caught from behind on a long screen pass by patrick friggin surtain in the game against miami last season. the same play the sackintosh doubled his career total in pancakes with two on a single play
For justice we must go to Don Pioli
by Sudden on Nov 12, 2009 10:25 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I think Charles was underused but i think those stats are misleading...
in that he obviously has less chance of being a part of a drive if it’s shorter. Generally drives with less plays mean 3 and outs (at least with the Chiefs…hey were not New Orleans).
I do agree we need to use Charles more…he is a weapon that is very useful with as terrible an OLine as we have.
Same with Savage
Charles and Savage are very elusive and quick, plus they can make great cuts. All of these describe backs who are good with a TERRIBLE o-line.
Savage Probably Deserves A Shot
I think both he and Charles are better bets than Kolby Smith (who Haley seems to favor).
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Thats false reasoning
You are saying the stats are misleading because the drives went 3 and out and Charles didn’t get in them.
What you should be thinking is that if they had given Charles the ball more, maybe they wouldn’t have gone 3 and out so much.
When you say "should," it's because you're looking to support a point, rather than letting the chips fall where they may.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
I think the reason Charles is not playing is because he is prone to turnovers.
Remember when he fumbled the opening kick off? It set up the rest of the game. The team is still too weak to overcome turnovers. That’s why he is not playing so often. I don’t care if has 150 yards. If he fubles twice that leads to 14 points for the opponent. Then how is 150 yards rushing going to help you? I would rather have 90 yards and no turnovers and a win. I don’t care about numbers. Wins I do care about.
Yet he is still returning kickoffs
and there hasn’t been any further trouble.
You aren’t going to cure his case of the fumbles by putting him on the shelf and not using him. We’re going nowhere this season anyway. Let him out there and give him the chance to learn how to take care of the ball.
All that ability does you no good if you don’t use it.
Really? This season he’s lost 1 fumble, and it was against the GIANTS (and they weren’t terrible yet). Matt Cassel has 5 ints on the season and he’s still seeing plenty of time. His play making ability and opening of the passing game is invaluable; Charles needs more playing time. 1 fumble all season. That’s it so far. I thought it was worse but I checked out his stats. He deserves a freaking chance.
1 fumble in very limited carries.
I think quibbling about RB touches is irrelevant to the current squad. I think Charles and Savage are both VERY serviceable, and I’d as soon not ruin ‘em before the O-Line and QB-to-WR issues are more settled. I’m in no hurry to see Charles take a lotta hits from multiple linemen. When the O-Line is capable of springing the RB to the 2nd level, let’s re-visit who’s better. In the meantime, save those legs. Throw the guy (Sorry Kolby) who’s already semi-compromised to the wolves.
Chiefs are pretty set for next year at RB. Not a priority. Nice.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
Nevermind the full-load duties
There are multiple ways to get Charles the ball — screens, clear-out routes with him coming underneath, draws (which is who we SHOULD have been runnig them with, not ‘2.7’), the occasional toss or stretch..
We do NOT have to employ a power run system when, as you said, the OLine isn’t capable. But there are plenty of other plays that get the ball in Charles’ hands, and out of the way of DLinemen.
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius, in contrary to Glenn Dorsey lining up in the 2-tech
by ArrowSpread on Nov 11, 2009 11:08 PM CST up reply actions
That's like saying taking a piss in a rest area causes road trips.
When they’re rotating guys in and out, and it’s not your drive to start, you only get a touch if the team converts a first.
“Scientific proof” is not achieved.
BTW, “Scientific Proof” is an oxymoron – science is merely the simplest explanation that fits the facts and cannot be disproved by any means known to man. Nothing is ever proved in science. Only in mathematics do we have PROOFS, and all of THOSE are based on arguing from agreed-upon ASSUMPTIONS! Just sayin’ this as a mathematician/scientist who’s dying by degrees. Heh.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
So you are OK with the fact that with Mr. "2.7" in the game we run the ball 30 times
But since he’s not around we have no reason to give the ball to the guy running for 6 yards per carry?
You honestly don’t believe the ability to get that kind of yardage on a 1st or 2nd down has something to do with drives being extended and leading to points?
I'm sayin' that it doesn't matter who's runnin' the rock when there's no O-Line.
Put the more rugged guy in there, and LJ IS RUGGED.
Don’t get me wrong. I always thought LJ limited what the offense was capable of threatening even back when Willie Roaf was on the team.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
That being said, ...
… I like all our young RBs. Even Mike Cox, just before gettin’ creamed, showed hands and feet I NEVER saw from T-Rich.
I think Charles is more likely to flat-out beat people to the edge, but for all-around quickness and being scary for defenses in the open field, I really like Savage. Give him an inch ‘n’ he’ll take a mile.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
From an Outsiders Perspective
I like Charles. I don’t think he can be a lead back for a full season, but a few games seems great for him and his development. I was shocked to see him only getting 6 carries, especially when the Titans rocked our shit the past week with the running game.
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I'd not convinced our coach actually watches game tape or else he would have seen that
Certainly he didn’t watch a second of last years Chiefs team.
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by craig in calgary on Nov 11, 2009 10:45 PM CST up reply actions
Like I've said before..
Just give our RBs the rock for some downs…then throw it long! Look at the 4th quarter last week! It was spectacular…
Look for Charles
& everyone else to get more carries this week against Oakland. The O-line is getting a little better each week & now we have a better grasp on what we can do as well as having a previous encounter with Oakland.
Besides (on a Conspiracy note!) if Haley would have allowed Charles & company to truly shine against the Jags then there would have been no chance that anyone would take 2.7 from the waiver wire. In hind-sight no one did, even though we did our part by holding Charles back & Belichick did his part by saying he was sure that 2.7 wouldn’t fall to the Pats on the waiver wire! :)
Long time kool-aid drinker & too old to learn a new trick! No flip-flopping allowed!
We were playing from behind
Most of the game. Charles and Smith did get some carries early, but we were playing catchup most of the second half.
I expect to see Charles get some more action in this week’s victory over Oakland.
Playing from behind should give Charles even MORE opportunity for touches
He IS the better receiver of the trio out of the backfield.
There really is no excuse for not getting the ball in the hands of our RBs more. The game was not out-of-reach, and frankly, I call bullshit on Haley saying the game dictated a more pass-heavy thought process.
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius, in contrary to Glenn Dorsey lining up in the 2-tech
by ArrowSpread on Nov 11, 2009 11:17 PM CST up reply actions
We have an awesome coaching staff....
hell, even with his great numbers we STILL dont put charles in.
Yea, our coaching staff is really stinkin up the joint right now
Krumrie and Clancy need to go.
Aint taking UC up on the ‘Fire Haley’ campaign, but I’ll take those couple of side bets.
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius, in contrary to Glenn Dorsey lining up in the 2-tech
by ArrowSpread on Nov 11, 2009 11:43 PM CST up reply actions
I like Charles, but his stats are not convincing in and of themselves.
Didn’t you get the memo? Stats are for losers.
I think someone here on AP broke it down and said otherwise, but my gut feeling is still that Charles’s stats are padded by running draws that pick up 5+ yards on 3rd and 20ish.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
Easy to say when we see KC parting ways with so many great O-Linemen in '09.
If Muir were any good, Sackintosh and Goff would be rolling to their 10th consecutive Pro Bowl appearances.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
Putting Charles aside for a moment
The one that stands out to me from Sunday was a drive with Kolby.
After they recover the fumble, Kolby gets 12 yards on the first play to get them to the 8. Instead of trying another run, they throw back to back passes, then a run and have to kick the FG.
The first pass was a screen.
I don’t mind screens. I mind screens to Kolby Smith. Charles or Savage should be getting the screen calls. Sorry Kolby
I think ALL your 'backs should be targeted for screens.
If they’re not effective catching the screen, they shouldn’t be on the field. I admire Smith for coming back from the knee, but if you’re right and he’s not fit to be catching the screen, then he has no business suiting up as a halfback.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
Only looking at the 1st series of each drive
Drive 1 – Pass to Charles for 1st down, ended in FG
Drive 2 – No Charles, 3 and out (3 passes)
Dive 3 – No Charles, 3 and out (2 Kolby Smith runs for a total of 4 yards)
Drive 4 – No Charles, 3 and out (1 Savage run for 4 yards, 2 inc passes)
Drive 5 – No Charles, 1st down by Kolby on 12 yard run, ended in FG
Drive 6 – Pass to Charles for 1st down, ended in missed FG
Drive 7 – No Charles, 3 and out (started with a sack)
Drive 8 – Pass to Charles for 1st down, ended in punt because of a PI call on Dbowe
Drive 9 – Run by Charles for 1st Down, ended in punt after Cassel fumbled on a later 1st
Drive 10 – Run by Charles for 4 yards, no 1st down (Cassel was sacked on 2nd down for -8 yards), ended in 3 and out with a punt
Drive 11 – Pass to Dbowe on for 1st, ended in Chambers touchdown (there was an inc. to Charles on this drive)
Drive 12 – Pass to Bradley for 1st down, ended in TD to Chambers with Charles for the 2pt conversion
So in conclusion, 5 three and outs, with one of them including Charles, and that one had a sack three others did not. Basically, except for the last two drives against the prevent, only 1 first down was achieved on the 1st series of a drive without Charles!! Kolby did make this, but he didn’t look good otherwise.
Not a bad case you're making.
And I’ve said before that Charles might force teams into running nickel to deal with receiving threats, which might be a good situation for Charles to run. But again, pretty good case for Charles you’re making.
But my gut feeling is that if Charles were on the field more, he’d be associated with pretty much the same proportion of 3-and-outs as every other Chief on the roster.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
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