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Mock Draft 2010

The Picks with Explanations

1. OT Russell Okung - Oklahoma State: Offensive Line is the position of greatest need.  Eric Berry is a flashy pick, but many scouts are projecting him as a better cornerback than safety.  Berry has questionable run support ability especially with his 5'11" 200 lbs frame.  Okung will make a franchise LT who is good in both run and pass blocking.  Albert can be moved to LG with Waters switching to C, RG, or possibly retiring.

2. OLB Sergio Kindle - Texas: Some mocks have Kindle falling farther than this and others have him being taken in the middle or top of round one.  If he is available at this spot in the draft, the Chiefs should take advantage of it. Kindle is very athletic and a great pass rusher and can take Vrabel's position since he will probably leave via free agency.  Also could be rotated with Tamba Hali and used in pass rushing situations.

2. FS Darrell Stuckey - Kansas: The safety position needs to be addressed and Stuckey would be a young guy who can come in and learn the system.  He is athletic, tries hard, and is a playmaker.

3. MLB Sean Lee - Penn State: Lee comes out of linebacker U and has been a dominant force while healthy in college.  Lee will provide a playmaker in a position of need for the Chiefs at pretty good value.

4. WR Dezmon Briscoe - Kansas: From the look of the draft so far, it would seem as if I am a KU fan but based on my username you will be able to tell I am most definitely not.  Briscoe is a good possession receiver who can be developed behind what is becoming fairly solid depth for the wide receiver position.  Pioli has been watching several KU games, and he combined with Stuckey is probably why.

5. C J.D. Walton - Baylor: Up and coming prospect who will take Niswanger's place at the Center position and solidify the O-Line.

5. OG Mitch Petrus - Arkansas: Chiefs once again find a late round guard who is somewhat of a project but can be developed.  Provides depth in a position of need at worst.

5. NT Sergio Render - Virginia Tech: Provides Chiefs with more competition and hopefully becomes a solid starter at a position where the Chiefs still struggle.

Chiefs fill many needs and combined with free agency, a draft like this will provide solid starters along with depth.  A few developmental prospects but mainly quality starters the Chiefs need.  This draft is deep with Offensive Lineman and a decent crop of OLBs and WRs too.  Chiefs take advantage of this and have a great draft.

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Arrowhead Pride's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Arrowhead Pride writers or editors.

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is this a joke???

this is mock draft 23020390…. not to demean the post or time you spent… just find the shear number to be ridiculous….

by callmesir on Nov 10, 2009 4:47 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Its not that high.

I’m actually counting them for my own research

Johnnie Morton: The Man. The Myth. The Legend.

by craig in calgary on Nov 10, 2009 4:52 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

easy, buddy

nothing wrong with a good mock draft now and then :)

beats talking about LJ!

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Nov 10, 2009 4:55 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

maybe... but he does have TWO on there

and I think 2 is probably the right number

assuming Albert, O’Call and Waters are returning in 2010
that COULD be 3 good starters, even if they change positions

Alleman, Ndukwe, Smith, Niswanger, Brown, Richardson… theres’ some good depth in that group, and a possible starter or two

So, YES, I think they can get by with as little as 1 OL drafted, IF that is a STARTING Center.
But, I’d draft 2, if it were me

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Nov 10, 2009 5:03 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Unless he changed this...

There are THREE oline up there, OT, OG, and C

by Boots 58 on Nov 10, 2009 5:07 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

you're right

neither of us can count :)

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Nov 10, 2009 5:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I like 2 OL better though

Niswanger is still pretty young, and I like the idea of Waters moving there myself. Get two OG/OT that can hopefully start as soon as 2010, and I like the line much better

by Boots 58 on Nov 10, 2009 5:16 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah... they have to have a balance draft

there are certainly needs on defense that shouldn’t be ignored
and having 3-4 rookies starting on the OL doesn’t usually work (see: Buffalo)

So, Get one or two new starters, and find the right combination with the guys on the roster now, and get them on the same page from DAY ONE of training camp… you’ll see better results

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Nov 10, 2009 5:25 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Agree With Balanced Draft

Yes, having 3-4 rookies starting on the O-line is problematic at best.

After half a season, I would say that the greatest weakness of the team is its terrible running attack. It’s killing the offense with third-and-long’s, leaving the defense on the field too long. severely compromising their red zone efficiency in the few cases where they actually make it into the other team’s territory.

Agreed, the O-line needs to get better, but that’s only part of the solution. i.e., I think THEY NEED ANOTHER RUNNING BACK. None in your draft, ChiefMizzou09. I think they will likely use a pick somewhere between 2nd to 4th on an RB depending on how their board looks on the second day.

by Wheatboy74 on Nov 10, 2009 7:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I definitely considered including a running back

If C.J. Spiller or Jonathan Dwyer would drop to the beginning of the second round, I don’t think the Chiefs could pass them up. However, I didn’t really think either of those guys would drop that far and didn’t want to take another running back that is just fast and a change of pace (Noel Devine from West Viriginia or Cal’s Javid Best) because the Chiefs already have that. They need a feature running back and those only come with higher picks. So I didn’t go that way in this mock, but that may be how it plays out. Plus, don’t forget, free agency may have the back that we need. Pioli has been known to get aging backs in free agency with the Patriots and a guy like Chester Taylor would be right up Pioli’s alley.

by ChiefMizzou09 on Nov 10, 2009 7:39 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Did you see the Javid Best brutal fall?

That was very scary!!

"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden

by Matt_Grbac on Nov 10, 2009 7:53 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Not often you see possible TBI on the gridiron

Traumatic Brain Injury. Agreed, extremely scary. People have had permanent paralysis with lesser falls, the kid’s lucky he wasn’t hurt worse. I suspect it will have some consequences in terms of his neuro eval at the combine, possible vulnerability to concussions in the league as a running back.

by Wheatboy74 on Nov 10, 2009 8:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed that they are probably looking for a between-the-tackles back

I think you’re right that Spiller won’t drop to the 2nd round, Dwyer I’m not so certain about, he might still be there. There will be other small/fast backs available in 3rd, 4th round, but they may not get you much more than what the Chiefs already have. I’d probably look for the draft instead of Taylor in free agency— he has already been tried as a ‘feature’ back and now works as the complement to Peterson.

by Wheatboy74 on Nov 10, 2009 8:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The Power back is a 3rd down and goal line guy

if we want to run an Indy type O lets just let Our committee run the screens and draws and spend the money on a solid D

We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram

by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 10, 2009 8:34 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Auburn's Ben Tate

5-11, 215, 4.5-40, success in the SEC projected 6 or 7th round pick, could be the ticket.

by Kane on Nov 10, 2009 9:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

Ben Tate

We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram

by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 10, 2009 9:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

OR

Javarris Williams… already on the PS, learning the offense…

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Nov 10, 2009 9:57 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Hypothetical.

What is 2 5th round picks worth? A 3rd?

I’d rather have
1 in the first
2 in the 2nd
2 in the 3rd
1 in the 4th
1 in the 5th

Johnnie Morton: The Man. The Myth. The Legend.

by craig in calgary on Nov 10, 2009 5:02 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

NFL Draft Pick Values

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2410670

According to this chart, it would (approximately) be worth a bid 4th round pick, based on our projected top 5 pick and Miami’s mid 5th round pick

by Boots 58 on Nov 10, 2009 5:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

I’d still say do it. IMO there seems to be quite a talent drop off after the 4th round.

Johnnie Morton: The Man. The Myth. The Legend.

by craig in calgary on Nov 10, 2009 5:11 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

In this draft, Quantity > Quality of picks

I think having more picks will be more important for this draft, as Pioli is trying to get ‘his’ players. These are the type of players that we will need, even if Haley is not around. Therefore, I think for us this year, 2 5’s are way better than one 4.

by Boots 58 on Nov 10, 2009 5:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd argue the opposite.

I’d realize there isn’t a huge difference than a 4th and 5th rounders, but if I may oversimplify it, I’d rather have 1 stud performer over 2 decent performers.

Johnnie Morton: The Man. The Myth. The Legend.

by craig in calgary on Nov 10, 2009 5:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

True

But 4th and 5th are both risky in terms of boom/bust.

I’d rather take two chances at having a player that turns out to be a good/average starter for our team than just one. Chances are better at find a good/great player in the 4th round rather than the 5th round, true, but I just think the odds play out better at two 5th round guys.

However, if Pioli saw someone in the 4th he felt he couldn’t wait for, I would not be opposed to the deal. My only concern in that would mean we don’t have ANY draft picks from the 5th round on since we traded all of them.

by Boots 58 on Nov 10, 2009 5:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

We'd still have the one 5th

We have 3 5ths now right?
Our own, Tyler, and Tank?

Johnnie Morton: The Man. The Myth. The Legend.

by craig in calgary on Nov 10, 2009 5:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yep

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Nov 10, 2009 5:25 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

lots of value in the 5th though

studs are usually gone in 1 and 2 rds

We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram

by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 10, 2009 5:25 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

5th rounders this year- some good ones

Johnny Knox WR
Austin Collie WR
Jasper Brinkley ILB
Fenuki Tupou OT
Jamon Meredith OT
Duke Robinson OG
Herman Johnson OG
Nate Davis QB
Javon Ringer RB

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Nov 10, 2009 5:30 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Good list

4th/5th rounds are great for interior linemen and non-stud WR’s

Didn’t Nate Davis leave Ballstate last year?

Johnnie Morton: The Man. The Myth. The Legend.

by craig in calgary on Nov 10, 2009 5:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yep... could turn out to be a steal for SF

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Nov 10, 2009 5:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, those were from this years draft

Sorry, I thought those were projected 5th rounders for next year…my bad.
I looked at the positions, and the names didn’t jump out

Johnnie Morton: The Man. The Myth. The Legend.

by craig in calgary on Nov 10, 2009 5:33 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah those were 09 picks

some good contributors there, some PS guys…

it really falls off in the 6th and 7th… not many contributors from those rounds at all

I think the 5th can provide some good players this year, too

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Nov 10, 2009 5:35 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

2010 possible 5th rounders

Chris Brown, RB
Danario Alexander, WR
Colin Peek, TE
Eric Olsen, C
Sergio Render, OG
Vladimir Ducasse, OG/OT
Micah Johnson ILB
Boo Robinson, DT
John Estes, C
Tony Moeaki, TE
Brandon Banks, WR

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings?&start_row=101

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Nov 10, 2009 5:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I may be a bit of a Mizzou homer

but Alexander would be a steal in the 5th round. I think his stock will rise above that, although injury will be a big question mark

by Boots 58 on Nov 10, 2009 5:39 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm the same way...

He’s big and talented…

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Nov 10, 2009 5:41 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

His only problem...

is the fact that he has had two knee surgery’s in the past two years. He kinda falls under the injury prone section. Plus, just about every receiver does pretty good in Mizzou’s system. His hands are a little suspect as well.

by ChiefMizzou09 on Nov 10, 2009 5:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I always wonder about college WR's and drops

The NFL football is bigger and the drops will be even more of a problem IMO

We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram

by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 10, 2009 5:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i hear ya

but, IF the other team needs are filled before then, I’d take a chance on him in the 5th

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Nov 10, 2009 5:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

OH, and Knox and Collie could be called "stud WR"

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Nov 10, 2009 5:32 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't say stud

but both have high potential. Collie would have been great on the Chiefs at the slot, and Knix has been playing pretty well so far too. I wouldn’t say either has WR1 potential though

by Boots 58 on Nov 10, 2009 5:34 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Time will tell

Does Peyton Manning make all these kids look good, or is Peyton Manning good because he’s got boatloads of tallent around him?

Johnnie Morton: The Man. The Myth. The Legend.

by craig in calgary on Nov 10, 2009 5:36 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Knox looks very good, IMO

KRs for TDs…
becoming a very reliable target for Cutler in Chicago

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Nov 10, 2009 5:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Peyton Manning makes them look good

Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl

by PVChiefsfan on Nov 10, 2009 9:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I thought

the Chiefs were going to take Herman Johnson. I was a bit upset that we didnt.

by Petey14 on Nov 10, 2009 11:36 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

Sorry, forgot we had three. I still stand by my last comment though. Only trade up for a specific player that has a good possibility of starting for us that year. Otherwise, get two guys to develop

by Boots 58 on Nov 10, 2009 5:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Look at my list above... wouldn't you be OK with three of those guys?

Colin Peek, TE
Micah Johnson ILB
Eric Olsen, C

that’d be a HECKofa 5th round… all three could start…

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Nov 10, 2009 5:43 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I still like a safety in the first round

Berry is my choice. I simply think a playmaker or playstopper on defense is the most vital piece. Imagine how many more games we would simply have been close to winning (or won) if we stop huge plays from Miles Austin (or others).

by Boots 58 on Nov 10, 2009 5:12 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

agreed

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Nov 10, 2009 5:16 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You like a safety at the 4th or 5th slot in the first round?

That’s a guaranteed BIG dollar investment in a back end player, i.e., not an LT, QB, pass rusher or run stopper. I haven’t seen Berry that much on video, so maybe he will be great. Still, I suspect KC management would be happier taking him closer to 9th or 10th slot, but I don’t see any way that KC drifts back that far— I’ve got them pegged for four wins MAX. If it’s between Berry and one of other top defense prospects— McCoy, Suh or Rolando McClain— it could be a tough decision. Sure, any of them would be an improvement, but which is so much better than the competition, adds so much to the current KC defense, that they get the nod… not so clear to me at this point.

by Wheatboy74 on Nov 10, 2009 7:36 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

McCoy, Suh, and McClain

McCoy and Suh are great 4-3 DT prospects but don’t project well as 3-4 NTs which is what the Chiefs need. I doubt they would pick another 3-4 DE in the top 5 unless they trade Dorsey. McClain is an ILB in the 3-4 and is even more of a stretch than Berry. I think the only debate is either Okung or Berry at this point in time for the Chiefs based on current projections.

by ChiefMizzou09 on Nov 10, 2009 7:42 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yep...

Okung, Berry, McClain

I don’t think there’s another viable choice right now (that could change by draft day, of course)

AND

Pioli doesn’t really care what position you think “should” command a top 5 pick.

the fact is… the Chiefs will have to draft whenever the NFL slots them based on their record… with that pick…. Pioli will take HIS guy at that pick, even if the “experts” don’t think a S “should” go that high, or whatever

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Nov 10, 2009 7:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Agree: I think if they take Suh then they trade Dorsey

I believe that Suh would be an upgrade, and they could get value for Dorsey at this point— one of the 4-3 teams would still like him as a DT. See my short post below.

by Wheatboy74 on Nov 10, 2009 8:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Anybody got a good link to a NFL teams strength of schedule info

I think that is what determines draft order after div/conf tiebreakers

We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram

by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 10, 2009 5:23 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Isn't it a coinflip?

I remember that a couple years ago where we were against the Falcons and Raiders.
Falcons won, got Matt Ryan.

Johnnie Morton: The Man. The Myth. The Legend.

by craig in calgary on Nov 10, 2009 5:25 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No

We tied records with the Rams last year remember?

They had a tougher strength of schedule, so they got #2 and we got #3

And sorry, I dont have a link right now

by Boots 58 on Nov 10, 2009 5:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Actually I think it is reverse

the lower SOS gets the higher pick

We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram

by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 10, 2009 5:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Correct

Im just wrong all over the place on this board. Didn’t think it through

by Boots 58 on Nov 10, 2009 5:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Haha

I do it all the time, type first, think second.

Johnnie Morton: The Man. The Myth. The Legend.

by craig in calgary on Nov 10, 2009 5:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

equal strength of schedule I thought

We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram

by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 10, 2009 5:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The 3 teams had the exact strength of schedule?

Thats quite the coincidence.

Johnnie Morton: The Man. The Myth. The Legend.

by craig in calgary on Nov 10, 2009 5:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Kinda

(May be wrong) but I thought we were only one game difference from the Rams last year

by Boots 58 on Nov 10, 2009 5:29 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Actually I think it was a two step coin flip.

One coin flip to determine Raiders/Falcons then if necessary a second flip

We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram

by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 10, 2009 5:34 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Berry questionable run support ability?

you must be joking, where did you get this from or are we now inventing reasons to take an offensive lineman over the superior prospect who is Berry.

by DBOWESHOW on Nov 10, 2009 5:27 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Just read it somewhere myself.

We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram

by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 10, 2009 5:29 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The only Tennesse game I saw was vs Florida and he was very good vs the run

Although DBOWSHOW, you could have said it less dickish.

Johnnie Morton: The Man. The Myth. The Legend.

by craig in calgary on Nov 10, 2009 5:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yep, he is dominant

I wouldn’t worry at ALL about his run support ability

He’s not the run stuffer Mays is… but he’s a MUCH better coverage guy and ballhawk… which is what KC really needs

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Nov 10, 2009 5:33 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

We might need both a FS and a SS

but I would grab the highest rated FS first and then the SS later.
We got Pollard and Page in the 4th round I think?

We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram

by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 10, 2009 5:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe I was thinking Wesley and Woods

We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram

by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 10, 2009 5:43 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I surrender :)

We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram

by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 10, 2009 5:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

:D

I agree we could use both, SS is just valued higher it seems to me.

PS I had to look most of those up myself, so dont feel too bad

by Boots 58 on Nov 10, 2009 5:51 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I would value the FS higher

as he has to cover the entire field and play the pass.
The SS is bigger and usually plays as a 5th backer, which in the 3-4 we would need less often

We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram

by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 10, 2009 5:53 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well based on our SS this year...

I think the SS has a big role is pass protection as well. Though he does play as a 5th backer and covers the TE a lot. I won’t pretend to know much more than that

by Boots 58 on Nov 10, 2009 5:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

DBOWESHOW

I want to apologize as I may have confused some information that I was reading comparing Eric Berry to Earl Thomas of Texas. Thomas has the lesser run stopping ability to Berry, and I think I switched the two facts around. Regardless, Berry still has questionable size and only has one interception this year. Honestly though, I would not be ashamed if the Chiefs picked Berry so long as they could get a good tackle and Berry lived up to all the pre-draft hype aka Ed Reed’s twin.

by ChiefMizzou09 on Nov 10, 2009 5:41 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

fair enough

I like Earl Thomas and Nate Allen also…
IF they dont’ get Berry, one of those guys in the 2nd would be a great pick, IMO

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Nov 10, 2009 5:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I would prefer Thomas almost

just so we can get a stud LT. But I didn’t include Thomas because I honestly didn’t think he would come out this year considering he is only a redshirt sophomore. Excellent write-up comparing Thomas and Berry on Mocking the Draft.

http://www.mockingthedraft.com/2009/11/1/1109749/earl-thomas-of-texas-is-the-most

by ChiefMizzou09 on Nov 10, 2009 5:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

that is a good article

I’ve been on that site quite a bit lately :)

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Nov 10, 2009 5:50 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I've seen some internet chatter on draft sites

The argument was that he’s on the small side for NFL run support role from the safety slot, that he will likely get switched to cornerback to take advantage of his superior coverage and ball skills. Who knows if that’s what the KC scouts have as their final eval pre-draft…. but I’ve read it on a couple of sites.

I haven’t seen many of his games, he’s made some nice open-field tackles when I have watched him… but I also saw him whiff in the hole during a critical 3rd down run by Ingram in the Alabama game.

by Wheatboy74 on Nov 10, 2009 7:42 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

SO

I see that the Chiefs should currently have the #1 pick in the draft.
No Conference wins yet

We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram

by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 10, 2009 5:50 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

that'd be interesting...

who the heck do you take if they are all on the board?

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Nov 10, 2009 5:51 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Isn't it record versus everyone?

Not just conference games?

It’s hard to project who we would take at #1 if we had it, since the top pick may depend on who leaves college early for the draft

by Boots 58 on Nov 10, 2009 5:53 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

We are tied currently with 4 teams all with 1 win.

all have a conf win except us.

We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram

by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 10, 2009 5:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Strength of schedule, not conf wins...

Conf Wins are for playoff qualifying tiebreakers. Draft = Record>Strength of Schedule>Coin flip for draft pick.

Here’s the current standings:

http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=346961

by Kane on Nov 10, 2009 8:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

We pick #2

We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram

by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 10, 2009 8:51 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Not entirely

The strength of schedule on that site figures in all the opponents we will play this season, not just the ones we’ve already faced. Considering much of the difficulty in our schedule was front loaded into opponents already played, I’d wager a SoS calculating only opponents faced so far would make us look a good deal better.

by MadMattox on Nov 10, 2009 10:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

of course some wins would move us down in the draft too

just where are we at now is informative

We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram

by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 10, 2009 10:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Actually, I was wrong

I thought by only considering teams already faced instead of the entire season’s strength, it would change the outcome. Considering how much we hear about the beginning of the season’s “murderer’s row,” I was certain our beginning schedule was more difficult than the other teams’, but apparently not. Even changing the methodology, we’d still be drafting second.

Factoring only the teams already faced:
1. St Louis – .500
2. Kansas City – .508
3. Tampa Bay – .523
4. Detroit – .547
5. Cleveland – .625

by MadMattox on Nov 10, 2009 11:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Thats sad

I do see a 4 win season though (Oakland, Cleveland and Buffalo @ home)
Thats a top 5 pick, but hopefully not first overall.

Johnnie Morton: The Man. The Myth. The Legend.

by craig in calgary on Nov 10, 2009 5:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

past performance is ....

We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram

by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 10, 2009 5:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Now if we come out throwing the Ball down the Field

Damn the Int’s and penalties I see us winning some games.
But if we continue to play the style O we have seen so far, not a chance at 3 wins IMO

We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram

by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 10, 2009 5:58 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Sergio Render is an OG at V Tech.....not a NT...

If we have #1 overall pick….I say we either pick Berry or trade up a few spots and still take him.

I dont think some of you understand the value in this guy. He is hands down the best safety in college ball. He plays in the toughest conference. He instanty changes the way teams game plan against us……no more career days for other guys WR’s…..

"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden

by Matt_Grbac on Nov 10, 2009 6:04 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

If we can threaten taking a QB that someone wants real bad otherwise

why would anybody trade up?

We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram

by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 10, 2009 6:11 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

it's not so much KC "threatening"

it’s the teams that pick right AFTER KC…

for example, IF KC picks before Washington, and people think Washington would be drafting a QB… they might be able to leapfrog by trading with KC

but, I’d say as long as KC is in the top 5… trades down are not too likely

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Nov 10, 2009 6:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I see that now

I was using Draft Tek’s mock draft and for whatever reason they have him listed as a DT for a 3-4 scheme. So I think they messed that up. In that case then, I would take the best NT available or some other position we need. Thanks for catching that for me!

by ChiefMizzou09 on Nov 10, 2009 6:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No problem...

Render is actually a highly touted Guard that I wouldnt mind having.

"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden

by Matt_Grbac on Nov 10, 2009 7:25 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

trade value chart

Chart

It would cost a late second to swap from #2 to #1 400 points

We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram

by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 10, 2009 6:14 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I like Okung or Berry for #1

If they are available. We will have to draft possibly in the top 3 to land one of them.

by Ren on Nov 10, 2009 7:13 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Pioli is gonna surprise ya

and take Dan Cody, NT AL with the 1st round pick. If not Cody, he will take the best LB in the draft. In round 2 he will take the best available center and guard. Round 3 will be Lake, Safety Baylor. All this could change depending on what the Chiefs do, if anything in FA. After round 3 its anybody’s guess what he does. Probably will take another safety and the BA players.

by chief66 on Nov 10, 2009 7:30 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

No thanks

Cody doesnt have the stamina to be a DT in the NFL. Hes just too big for it. I know he has trimmed weight (went from 410 at one point to now being 340) but can he convert that over to the NFL. I know he is still pretty good at the college level but im not so sure that change will reflect on his NFL career

Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes; after that, who cares?! He's a mile away and you've got his shoes!

by SuperTurtle on Nov 10, 2009 7:39 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Can you imagine?

A front 3 with all top 5 picks? Thats a $100M+ front 3.

No thanks.

Johnnie Morton: The Man. The Myth. The Legend.

by craig in calgary on Nov 10, 2009 7:43 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

exactly

Terrance Cody could be a good NT… but I don’t want to spend a top 5 pick on that guy.
In the 2nd round? He could be a great pick… ala Ron Brace to NE last year

I do agree with one thing… “Pioli is gonna surprise you”

that much is true

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Nov 10, 2009 7:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think Pioli will love that guy

He’d be my pick if Berry and Okung were off the board

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Nov 10, 2009 7:57 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I like Cody

…but he is definitely not a top 5 pick because he is way too risky. Top 15 maybe. The best LB in the top 5 would probably be a stretch unless he were a pass rusher who separates himself from everyone else by a lot. I like Lake at Safety, but round 3 is a big stretch for him due to limited athletic ability. Good pick in one of the 5th round spots though.

by ChiefMizzou09 on Nov 10, 2009 7:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No way

Cody is over-rated vis-a-vis a top-five slot. Agree with SuperTurtle, he’s got low stamina, not effective on the pass rush and could cause defensive problems on screen passes with his limited mobility.

A lot depends on what other teams are buried at the top of the draft and which junior QB’s elect to come out. If Suh is available, i.e., other teams take the QB’s high, then I’d expect Pioli et al to take him and then trade Dorsey for picks, plug Suh into the starting lineup as a 3-4 DE. If Suh’s gone, then maybe Berry. Just depends. In terms of what I’ve seen on TV, Suh is likely to grade out pretty much the same as Berry. Should be interesting.

by Wheatboy74 on Nov 10, 2009 7:50 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yep

and WHY would you trade Dorsey, who’s playing well, for ANOTHER top 5 pick on a DE?

makes NO sense

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Nov 10, 2009 7:58 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The threat of taking Suh could draw some trade offers.....maybe..

"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden

by Matt_Grbac on Nov 10, 2009 7:59 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd LOVE to trade down

of course

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Nov 10, 2009 8:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No Sense

Not sure why people have such a hard time wrapping their head around this concept. I’m pretty sure 99 talent evaluators out of 100 would tell you Suh is a much better prospect than Dorsey. I don’t dislike Dorsey, and I’m fine with the Chiefs choosing someone else if Suh is not available, especially since we wouldn’t have to try and trade Dorsey, but it’s a little like saying you’d pass on Derrick Thomas because you’ve already got Tamba.

I doubt if it will come to that as I expect Suh to be off the board when the Chiefs pick.

by Kane on Nov 10, 2009 8:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

well, I can "understand the concept"

but, you don’t just trade one of your better players, who has a big contract, who has learned your system and is playing well….

just because there’s another “can’t miss” prospect.

I like Suh as much as the next guy… but I don’t think it’s a smart football move…

it’s like saying the Patriots should trade Tom Brady and draft Jimmy Claussen…
(ok, bad example… but you see where I’m going)

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Nov 10, 2009 8:23 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

better analogy...

It’s like saying the Bucs should trade Josh Freeman and draft Jimmy Claussen

OR

the Jets should trade Mark Sanchez and draft another QB…

it’s not going to help the team, IMHO

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Nov 10, 2009 8:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Then say Suh isn't enough an upgrade

I’d disagree, but at least it makes more sense than saying picking up a monster like Suh makes no sense…

by Kane on Nov 10, 2009 8:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

picking up a monster like Suh makes perfect sense

IF they didn’t already have Dorsey and Jackson

But, they do have Dorsey and Jackson, and it’d be a big risk for not that big of a reward to trade one of them for a rookie, even if that rookie is a beast in college

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Nov 10, 2009 8:36 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think Suh would be an upgrade over Dorsey at DE

Gotta disagree, stagdsp. Hey, I think Dorsey’s pretty good, that he has a good future in the league. But based of what I’ve seen on TV, Suh would be a significant upgrade, fits better as a 3-4 DE than does Dorsey. Dorsey’s greatest value would still be as DT in a 4-3 scheme, and I think there would be teams that would like to have him— he wouldn’t be too hard to trade. It’s not like trading away Brady or another Pro Bowl & Hall of Fame QB for a young prospect— it’s ending up with a Dorsey replacement who likely by the end of the first year will be better as a DE. Possibly much better. And yes, btw, I WOULD take Clausen over Freeman.

But I agree with others that Suh will likely be gone when KC picks. It depends on whether Tampa Bay and Detroit pick ahead of KC. If not, then he might be there as the QB-needy teams pick up their future franchise QB’s and leave Suh on the board.

by Wheatboy74 on Nov 10, 2009 8:32 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm NOT saying Suh isn't an Upgrade!

I’m just saying that upgrading Dorsey’s position is not a priority, and you don’t just pick a guy like Suh, when you have Dorsey and Jackson and other needs.

Picking up Suh, and trading Dorsey for a future draft pick would leave KC with:

2 recent top 5 picks on a 3 man front… one of which is a rookie

Keeping Dorsey and NOT drafting Suh leaves KC with

2 recent top 5 picks on a 3 man front… but BOTH have played in and learned the system

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Nov 10, 2009 8:35 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The real question is how big of an upgrade is he and how does that affect hte long term development of the defense as a whole...

If you can stick with Glenn/Jackson and get good results then you can focus on other areas of your team by not subjugating your team to having to develop another talent.

I think thats what he means

by butchcassidy on Nov 10, 2009 8:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

pretty much, yeah

I wouldn’t have said “subjugating” because it’s not a word I’m familiar with…

but, I AM saying that Suh is not a CLEAR, DRASTIC upgrade at a POSITION of need…

I would go so far as to say that DE is the LAST position I’d consider drafting in 2010, regardless of how good a prospect is there

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Nov 10, 2009 8:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yessir :)

well said

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Nov 10, 2009 8:43 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Fair Enough

But its a stretch to say it makes no sense.

by Kane on Nov 10, 2009 8:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

ok, fine...

it makes perfect sense

if you’re playing fantasy football

but, it’s not a logical move for an NFL team, in my humble opinion

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Nov 10, 2009 8:41 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

We have to have a NT

their isn’t a great prospect of finding a dominating one in this draft.
Thus we will pay a lot for one in FA.
Or continue to suffer in our new 3-4 right up the middle :(

We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram

by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 10, 2009 8:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

exactly!

NT is a position of need.

Edwards has been fine… but a dominant NT is a big need.

I could see the Chiefs drafting a NT anytime AFTER the first round

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Nov 10, 2009 8:57 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

There's actually a fair number of NT prospects in 2010

There are two (one is a junior) that will go first or early second. Of course that is a reflection of traditional scouting evaluations, no idea how Pioli will evaluate. But, you are absolutely correct in saying that’s the weakest part of our 3-4 today. MIKE is probably 2nd.

by Kane on Nov 10, 2009 9:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Most are actually DT's

Big Baby
Boo Robinson
a few others.
Not dominating NT’s at all
And Haleys workout regime would probably not fit very many.
Not against holding all players to their most productive size
just it would be a very limited few that would be good NT at a non-slobbering inflated size

We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram

by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 10, 2009 9:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No

Talking about DTs rated as NT prospects. As I said two rated in 1st/2nd round Mt Cody (big baby?) and Phil Taylor out of Baylor, which would be considered “dominating” prospects. After that, evrything is projection. Very few Colleges run 3-4 after all.

by Kane on Nov 10, 2009 9:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Agree

Cody is Big Baby not making fun just a nickname.
4? teams changed to 3-4 in 2009.
maybe a few more will transition in 2010.
The NT will get shoved up in value even if the 4-3 DT gets reduced. Or teams will project a NT onto a Suh type DT.
Good DT’s will become easier to obtain and we have dominate 3-4 ends or something.
Neil Smith = Jackson maybe
Suh and Dorsey would dominate the G,C,G group
Hali will at least occupy the LOT attention.
Damn I can Dream on a Tuesday Night :)

We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram

by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 10, 2009 9:43 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

1-7 teams....

Most of them would not be selecting a safety in the 1st round that high….they have other needs….

We should get a good shot of getting Berry…..

Titans look like they are ready for a big win streak….they shouldnt factor in.

I like Eric Berry in 1st

With our 2 2nd rounders I would like a combo of , Hughes or Norwood combined with either O’Dowd or another top notch Guard……

"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden

by Matt_Grbac on Nov 10, 2009 7:58 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

On a totally different track

with a 4-3 we would have
Hali, Dorsey, Suh, and Jackson
Williams, Mays, Vrabel

We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram

by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 10, 2009 7:59 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

That would be 4 #1 on the front

We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram

by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 10, 2009 8:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

crazy

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Nov 10, 2009 8:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

...and if you had DJ instead of DW

Thats 5 #1’s in the front 7!

Johnnie Morton: The Man. The Myth. The Legend.

by craig in calgary on Nov 10, 2009 8:04 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

sorry my bad replace williams with DJ

in Vrabels spot

We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram

by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 10, 2009 8:04 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

WTF

We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram

by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 10, 2009 8:05 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That should be a DOMINATING Defense

But alas, Pendergast is an assclown.

Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes; after that, who cares?! He's a mile away and you've got his shoes!

by SuperTurtle on Nov 10, 2009 8:06 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Can you imagine,,,,

11 #1s on defense!!!

AND STILL LAST IN TOTAL DEFENSE!!

by butchcassidy on Nov 10, 2009 8:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think it is said that to build a 4-3 requires 2 Dominating DT's

which is hard to aguire similar to 1 dominating NT.
Well we are going to be in the catbird seat there.

Maybe a TB Buccanneer dominating D

We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram

by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 10, 2009 8:04 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Sweet.

The Quantum Leap where Sam leaps into Al is on :)

Johnnie Morton: The Man. The Myth. The Legend.

by craig in calgary on Nov 10, 2009 8:05 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Reset

Hali, Dorsey, Suh, Jackson
Williams, Mays, DJ
Carr, DP, DP, Flowers

Morgan might work in here
Washington, Leggett as nickles.

The money might be less of a problem. With no High dollar RB and TE

We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram

by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 10, 2009 8:13 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

and noone said we could run a 3-4 if we want to on occasion

or a 2-5

We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram

by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 10, 2009 8:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

so... a 3-4 ?

:)

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Nov 10, 2009 8:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

They could call it that...

Lets just split the need for a NT into 2 DTs!

I’d call it the 4-3 stand up

by butchcassidy on Nov 10, 2009 8:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The d's are evolving look a Pitt and the walk around D

is it a 3-4 or 4-3 or 2-5?

We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram

by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 10, 2009 8:29 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I guess it all depends on how bad Pioli wants to run the 3-4.

if we draft Berry and get a FA NT from somewhere then we are getting somewhere.
drafting Suh if possible and reverting to 4-3 is much easier

We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram

by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 10, 2009 8:22 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I would be SHOCKED if they revert to a 4-3

I think the 3-4 transition is well underway, and there’s no going back unless they fire Pioli and Haley

(and NO, I don’t think they should do that)

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Nov 10, 2009 8:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Why

Either system is good if you got the people to run it.
and as the league moves more and more to the 3-4 then the dominating NT becomes QB type talent. Look at SD, they lost their NT and fell back. The pieces are in place for either system in KC and we will be looking for a new DC as soon as January.

We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram

by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 10, 2009 8:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

This years draft...

would look like a complete cluster…turd if they reverted…

by butchcassidy on Nov 10, 2009 8:29 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Again Why

Jackson and Magee can play end in a 4-3

We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram

by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 10, 2009 8:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Jackson and Magee can play it but they don't play it well enough...

They’re space eaters. Its the reason why Tamba is the rush end and Magee and Tyson are only in on run plays a majority of the time.

Glenn Dorsey is the wild card..

by butchcassidy on Nov 10, 2009 8:36 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

WHY?

because they JUST installed the 3-4, and brought in all 3-4 players
because Haley and Pioli specifically wanted to run it
because the Chiefs have arguably looked better in the 3-4 than last year’s 4-3 (admittedly, not THAT much better, but still… no worse)
because that would be like starting all over AGAIN

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Nov 10, 2009 8:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Damn Stag

It is semantics.
We play all kinds of fronts
and if Hali can play an OLB and a DE.
Why do we care if it is 3-4 or/a 4-3

We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram

by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 10, 2009 8:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i was making that case all offseason

that it wasn’t going to be a true 3-4, and that hybrid schemes were where it’s at.

but, the leadership seems to be pretty clear that it’s being built as a 3-4 team. period.

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Nov 10, 2009 8:42 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I know

Who do you think taught me Coach:)

We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram

by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 10, 2009 8:43 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

haha

I’ve been proven wrong by Pioli and Haley WAY too many times already… so I’m starting to believe that they are going to do things their way, whether we like it or not

I thought:
they’d draft Curry
they’d go with a hybrid front
they would cut LJ preseason
they would keep Pollard
they would keep ZT
they would sign Tauscher
they would keep Lelie
they would keep Tank
they would keep TG
they would cut Croyle

I could go on… :)

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Nov 10, 2009 8:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

wow

that’s quite a list of zigs when we thought they’d zag. I’m with you on pretty much all of them

Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!

by Buck'O on Nov 10, 2009 9:05 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

They are rookies and Magee can play DT

the size is a benefit.
Could 5 O-lineman block that front 4 and Mayes consistently

We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram

by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 10, 2009 8:39 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Actually if you are talkning about our Nickle D or 3 down unit

THEY SUCK whoever is in there

We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram

by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 10, 2009 8:42 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

OLB

I definitely would like to see a new OLB, but I’d prefer Worilds or Sapp, of course, it all comes down to availability.

by Kane on Nov 10, 2009 8:29 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I'll try no to react as harshly as some of our AP brethren

But I’d prefer Eric Berry with the first pick and then go straight into a NT and then some O-line. I don’t care so much about what comes after that as long as we get some contributors at positions of need. God knows we have enough of those.

Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!

by Buck'O on Nov 10, 2009 8:45 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

When did Sergio Render decide to play NT?

Isnt he an OG LOL, I have a bunch of problems with this mock. I like O Kung, Id rather have Berry but I wouldnt be mad if they picked O Kung. But Kindle and Stuckey are both overrated players. Kindle is an unknown when it comes to pass coverage while Eric Norwood who projects to the same posistion would still be there. Kindle would be a better playing Hali’s spot then Vrabel’s spot. Norwood would fit right in as Vrabel’s replacement because he can cover the pass already. Stuckey I just dont think is good and Id rather have Ras I Dowling or Trevard Lindley @ that spot. Stuckey is a reach right there, Mike Johnson or Ras I Dowling would both be better picks.

Here is my Mock

1. Eric Berry S- Ive never seen him projected to play Corner and He is pretty good in Run Support. Alot of scouts are impressed with how much he had improved at stopping the run.

2. Mike Iupati OG- Road Grading OG who dominates at his level of competition.

2. Eric Norwood OLB- Players like Von Miller, Jerry Hughes, and Sergio Kindle may cause Norwood to slip, Maybe not, Mike Johnson would suit me just as much if he is gone.

3. Anthony Dixon RB- Very talented, Only drops because of minor character issues.

OHANA!

by darwithabar on Nov 10, 2009 9:59 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Hey Look

No Big 12 bias, Id take Denarrio in the 5th though. He looks better then Maclin to me but they are different types of WRs.

OHANA!

by darwithabar on Nov 10, 2009 10:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Norwood

That dude’s awesome. The"Patriot Way" OLB is supposed to be 6’-4", don’t know if they’d compromise down to 5’ 11". I wonder if Norwood would consider moving/be suitable to move inside?

by Kane on Nov 10, 2009 10:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I dont think he is 5'11

I could be wrong but I thought he was around 6’1

OHANA!

by darwithabar on Nov 10, 2009 10:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Elvis Dumerville...

James Harrison are both around 6’1 or 6’2.

OHANA!

by darwithabar on Nov 10, 2009 10:29 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah he is 6'1, I just looked it up...

He used to play DE, He is a beast, I figured he would fall due to him not being a prototypical LB and he is shorter then DEs. Those guys usaully fall. But he is a beast in the run game, pass rush, and in coverage. All around good player.

http://gamecocksonline.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/norwood_eric00.html

OHANA!

by darwithabar on Nov 10, 2009 10:32 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I would imagine that a 3-4 LB would still have to be 6'3 and 255 or so

to get through a Pioli screening
I think Prototypical 3-4 has

1000 lbs in front three
and
1000 lbs in the LB core

A ton of front seven :)

We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram

by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 10, 2009 10:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well thats good because Norwood...

Weighs 252, I highly doubt Pioli would sacrifice a value pick, Which is what Norwood would be with our first 2nd rounder, for 3 inchs

OHANA!

by darwithabar on Nov 11, 2009 12:50 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I screwed up lol

I addressed this earlier in the comments but Sergio Render is a guard, the website I was using (DraftTek) has him incorrectly labeled. Norwood would be a great pick and could take Kindle’s place. I think they are both great prospects.

by ChiefMizzou09 on Nov 10, 2009 11:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

with this team

I would move dorsey, sadly, I think hes a 4-3 DT, and Id move him.
Magee/Jackson/Gilberry would be my ends going into next year and id be ok with that
Nose Tackle- We MUST get a Nose tackle
Hali needs a LB opposite him to put pressure, and Belcher needs a MLB to pair up inside
Flowers and Carr need help and that prob means no more mo legg
the safety position is terrible, I assume only morgan remains
k/p are set
HB will be complete changed
WR I expect a lot of changes with Long/Bowe as the sure things
OL Albert to guard, the rest may get blown up
QB: Cassel is the Leader, But we may want a backup
TE: We really really need 2 GOOD Te’s, a blocking te, and a recieving TE

so my positions of need are NT/S/OLB/ILB/OT/OT/OG/C/TEx2/HB/3rd corner

yeesh….

by SDChief on Nov 10, 2009 11:29 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

That's it. We need a designated 2010 Draft post where everyone can get it out.

If the 10,000th 2010 mock draft garners 184 comments, then we need need one, singular, place to consolidate everyone’s opinion. That way everyone can post their mock and be done with it.

-This isn't "Blow Smoke Up Your Ass Pride"
-Erykah Badu, I have accepted your proposal. So, Mrs. DTR, let's get to consummating...you are on notice.

-"All praise Chiefus."

by DThomasReigns on Nov 10, 2009 11:57 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Even though

I’m guilty of it too, I normally HATE talking about the draft so early.

I think its different this year because I like the direction we’re heading, I knew coming in that this could be a rough season, and I’m excited about the FA pool and the draft this year.

However, I think the biggest reason its not bothering me is because I’ve heard nothing but LJ, LJ, LJ for like 2 or 3 weeks. Its sickening.

by Petey14 on Nov 11, 2009 12:31 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

That would be kinda cool

Consolidate all the mock drafts and free agency guesses which we can then see how stupid and inaccurate we are once the draft comes around. Everything is a shot in the dark right now just due to the fact that some many variables are in place. Lets see if Chris or Joel can come up with some sort of consolidated section of AP just for drafts.

by ChiefMizzou09 on Nov 11, 2009 12:44 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Just as point of clarification,

I am not saying yours or others mocks are bad posts, it’s just that there have already been so many of them.

Also, as the college season and bowl games progress, everyone’s mock will invariably shift and lead to re-posts of adjusted mocks.

I LOVE the draft, but it would be nice to have something to keep the large numbers of drafts consolidated.

-This isn't "Blow Smoke Up Your Ass Pride"
-Erykah Badu, I have accepted your proposal. So, Mrs. DTR, let's get to consummating...you are on notice.

-"All praise Chiefus."

by DThomasReigns on Nov 11, 2009 10:37 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh you veteran....

You know this is just the beginning….

What a sad state we are in…

Don't forget to be an AP-vangelist...Tell A Friend...

by woodman212 on Nov 11, 2009 2:11 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

FA and Mock

Last year lack of FA signings killed the Chiefs and our 2009 draft. I would sign three guys in FA: LT Marcus McNeill (SD), WR Steve Breaston (ARI) and LB Kirk Morrison (OAK). Throw the bank at McNeill and Breaston. By signing these players we can now draft to fill other holes. I would send our 2nd and 4th next year to NE for their #60 this year.

R1 #4 S Eric Berry-Tennessee
R2 #36 LB Von Miller-Texas A&M
R2 #51 C Kris O’Dowd-USC
R2 #60 OT Sam Young-Notre Dame
R3 #68 SS Barry Church-Toledo
R4 #100 TE Aaron Hernandez-Florida
R5#132 CB Javier Arenias-Alabama
R5 #143 RB Charles Scott-LSU
R4 #

by 102win on Nov 11, 2009 1:10 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

NE wouldnt give us a 2nd

for our 2nd and 4th next year, It just wont happen. Plus the best C in the draft will be off the board by our 2nd rounder. Not bad though

OHANA!

by darwithabar on Nov 11, 2009 2:02 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Our 1st 2nd or our 2nd 2nd?

Because I don’t see a C going top round this year.

by butchcassidy on Nov 11, 2009 3:30 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Kris O Dowd

He will probably go in the late first. Scouts say he is better then either of the 1st round centers last year. He will go before our 2nd 2nd round pick

OHANA!

by darwithabar on Nov 11, 2009 2:05 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

maybe....

I do like O’Dowd

but I think there are 4 other Centers in the draft that can start for KC next year… and they can be had late 2nd through 5th round

Also, IF KC is concerned about Rudy being too tall… O’Dowd is 6’5"…
I like Walton from Baylor 6’2", 4th round grade
Olsen from ND or Estes from Hawaii, 4-5th round grade, Tennant from BC, 2nd-3rd round

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings?&1:col1=4

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Nov 11, 2009 2:33 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Prospect

O’Dowd’s a junior projected to the 2nd round of 2011 draft (nfldraftscout has him as the second rated Center in next year’s draft). He’s also been injured. I wouldn’t be too surprised if he stays, and even if he does come out, I wouldn’t be shocked if he goes after the Chief’s 3rd round pick.

by Kane on Nov 11, 2009 4:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

my issues with a lot of mocks, is people think because we went DL a lot, we cant again...this team needs a nose tackle in the first 2 rounds....or get Wilfork, who may be available if NE prefers Brace

Dorsey is as good as gone, I hope people can see that as a possibility…he doesnt fit, so we may move him, trade for Boldin, sign Wilfork, draft Berry….could be a big offseason…but I dont see how boldin doesnt end up a chief.

by SDChief on Nov 11, 2009 12:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

"dorsey is as good as gone"

what exactly have Pioli and Haley done to indicate that?
make him the starter, talk about how good he’s playing, draft a guy in the 3rd round that they like a lot, then not let him see the field because Dorsey is playing well.

I am wrong all the time with Pioli, though… so I admit your guess is as good as mine

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Nov 11, 2009 1:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

and my opinion...

is that Dorsey stays, and they don’t bring in ANY new DEs next year

But they DO address NT… Wilfork or Cody (NOT in round 1)

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Nov 11, 2009 1:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Bravo stag!

Dorsey stays and we get a NT one way or another. Agreed 100%

Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!

by Buck'O on Nov 13, 2009 1:35 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs


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