Chiefs Have Already Matched '08 NFL Record Low Sack Total
by Joel Thorman on Nov 10, 2009 11:26 AM CST
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PrintWell, it only took eight games for the 2009 Chiefs to match the 2008 team's NFL record low number of sacks.
Yes, folks, the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs have 10 sacks. 10! Through eight weeks!
Wallace Gilberry had one sack on Sunday, heavily aided by Tamba Hali. Here's how the Chiefs come out on sacks so far this season.
- Tamba Hali: 3
- Wallace Gilberry: 3
- Derrick Johnson: 1
- Mike Vrabel: 1
- Mike Brown: 1
- Jon McGraw: 1
Last season, Tamba Hali had 3 and Derrick Johnson had 1.5. They're both on pace to top those numbers. After that, there isn't a Chief that had a sack last season that has one for the team this season.
20 sacks, the Chiefs' pace at this point, isn't a great number but, like I've said before, it's an improvement.
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Tamba doesn't have the stats
but he’s played very well this season.
I was thinking the same thing
He may only have 3 sacks, but he’s been very disruptive. Sometimes a hit on a QB as he’s delivering the ball can be just as good or better than a sack.
Johnnie Morton: The Man. The Myth. The Legend.
by craig in calgary on Nov 10, 2009 11:34 AM CST up reply actions
He should have had
about three more on Sunday. The guy is still being disruptive, but it would be nice to start raking in those negative yards.
100% agree
He is looking pretty beastly. It also seems to me that he gets held on almost every single play. If you’re beating the guy across from you so badly that he has to cheat to slow you down, you’re doing something right!
by Soria's Unibrow on Nov 10, 2009 12:09 PM CST up reply actions
He has played very well
He’s been singled out by the opposing team a couple of times now as the one guy they are most impressed with from their pre-game video preparation. He easily had a sack last week that was only prevented by the LT tackling him for holding.
only thing is ... while we've gotten more sacks, we're still giving up MASSIVE yards thru the air week after week
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
thus
the need for a big play guy like Eric Berry. Someone like that would have maybe intercepted that big pass play Gerrard hit in the first half on 3rd & forever.
Predictions:
Kansas City will not win more than four games in 2009
Kansas City will have a new OC and DC in 2010
Kansas City will win at least seven games in 2010
Why say that?
I just don’t see what it accomplishes other than being snide. Hindsight is 20/20. I was shocked when we cut him too, but it happened months ago. Why dwell on it?
by Soria's Unibrow on Nov 10, 2009 12:07 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed
It adds nothing and only serves to stir up shit, and I think there’s enough of that already
is it me? or isn't about time the Lamar Hunt trophy belonged to His team?
I’m a Chiefs fan Dammit and I’m damn proud of it!
Exactly
and besides, everyone knows Pollard couldn’t help much in coverage anyway.
There are people who will just take the negative view on everything. It’s a lot easier to criticize than it is to actually make decisions.
Predictions:
Kansas City will not win more than four games in 2009
Kansas City will have a new OC and DC in 2010
Kansas City will win at least seven games in 2010
Yes...
He led the team in tackles on Sunday.
Are you saying he should have more sacks? He wasn’t drafted specifically to pass the rusher (DE in a 3-4…).
by Joel Thorman on Nov 10, 2009 11:35 AM CST up reply actions
Pass the rusher?
Think your fingers outran your thoughts there Joel!
Long time kool-aid drinker & too old to learn a new trick! No flip-flopping allowed!
I would think passing the rusher would be bad.
They’d be better off tackling the rusher. But, it appears TJ is already aware of that.
Yes, he should have more sacks
His backup playing the exact same position is leading the team in sacks right now after being in on significantly fewer snaps (Gilberry). I would think he would have at least flopped on a QB by now, even if just by luck! Now, that said, I’m ok with his performance so far as a rookie though I would like to see him sucking up more double teams than he does.
If you watch the games
You will know that Tyson usually comes out on obvious passing downs and Gilberry comes in because he is a pure pass rusher.
TJ is getting really good at run support — which is his first job. He will get to the QB eventually. I really think TJ took a big leap forward this year — he played his a$$ off.
I think Tyson
really stepped us this past week. He was in on alot of plays and have his presence felt. I think he is helping our run D quite a bit.
I thought it typically takes rookie DEs take a little time to show off how good they are in the NFL?
Yeah it's usually a year or two
I would be pumped if it only took T-Jax 9 weeks though!
by Soria's Unibrow on Nov 10, 2009 12:11 PM CST up reply actions
Typically yes...
but I would defer to Neil Smith for that answer.
J Allen
We are missing that guy still.
by redWIN on Nov 10, 2009 11:37 AM CST via mobile reply actions
who?
seriously though … have to wonder if he’d have been benched for not being The Right 53 or something
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
case in point
Predictions:
Kansas City will not win more than four games in 2009
Kansas City will have a new OC and DC in 2010
Kansas City will win at least seven games in 2010
Hah
If he was still here not inly would he be a member of the “right 53”, we’d likely be sporting a 4-3. Hell, if he was still here Herm might still have a job. Allen is worth at least a couple of wins just being on the team.
It's years like this that I wish I was a bear. Hibernation would make it so much easier.
by Red N Gold Beast on Nov 10, 2009 1:30 PM CST up reply actions
the massive yardage through the air is a definite problem..
that has been ours for the past 4-5 years. Iam the most nervous guy in the bar when its 3rd & 18 or 20. I just know they will make a monster play. And its not just 18 or 20 yards, most of the time they take it to the house untouched with a LB chasing them…hahahah. we need help.
Yeah, I'd rather see 3rd and 3 or 4
Then maybe they’ll run it and we can stop them.
Last Sunday, how many times was Mike Sims-Walker, their best WR, being “covered” by a linebacker? What the hell? They looked like the Missouri Tigers out there, getting torched over and over sitting in a soft zone.
by Soria's Unibrow on Nov 10, 2009 12:19 PM CST up reply actions
I just don't know what he and all the other downers around here are looking for
A perfect front office that brings in Pro Bowlers off the waiver wire and signs them to five-year deals at the league minimum? A GM that has a time machine so he can skip ahead 4-5 years and see what rookies pan out so he can have a perfect draft every season? A coaching staff that calls the perfect play every time, i.e. a TD on every play on offense and a turnover return for a TD every play on defense? Also the coach gets every last ounce of talent out of his players and they all love him but he never raises his voice above a whisper, he is always smiling, he only praises his players and never gets mad at them, and when he farts a rainbow comes out of his ass and it smells like cinnamon rolls?
by Soria's Unibrow on Nov 10, 2009 12:26 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
everything there sounds good to me though...
and while your at it…. can you throw in a couple of cheerleaders in dental floss??? You know, at a home game or somethin.
Sure
Also, Arrowhead provides free Gates BBQ to every fan and they deliver it to your seat! And every offseason the Chiefs players have a meeting and decide what they will do to help the community. Little things, like finding a cure for cancer or brokering a peace treaty between Israel and Palestine.
by Soria's Unibrow on Nov 10, 2009 12:38 PM CST up reply actions
can we get real time camera's put in Pioli's office and the locker room...
HD digital surround sound…….and I really would like to be able to Text Todd on gameday, just to wish him luck and any roster advice i could give.
How bout some plays like in Madden
We call it, and they execute. Can’t be any worse than what’s going on now.
nono those vibrating boards with those plastic football figurines on them.
set it to vibrate 1 minute and call the play based on that! :]
I loved those
even though FGs are excruciatingly difficult. We need to keep Succop, so we cant mess up the one thing that is working! :)
Haha, they did that on the Simpsons when Homer was coaching Bart's team
“Okay, half of you vibrate that way, two of you fall down, Nelson, you just spin around in a circle.”
by Soria's Unibrow on Nov 10, 2009 1:29 PM CST up reply actions
We are looking
for sings of improvement. Hope that things are going to get better. Last year I pulled for the Chiefs every game because I was seeing improvement. Now all I see is that every transaction we make is a downgrade. Every game we play is worse than the last. Why would I support what is happening.
I wonder what you are seeing that keeps you drinking the cool aid?
Don't get me wrong, I see problems everywhere too
I think we’re improving though. Honest. The issue is that in one week we’ll get much better in one area, and then the next week we’ll regress there but improve somewhere else. If we could just sustain the improvement across the board and stop the backsliding, we’d be in a better place. I also disagree that every transaction is a downgrade. Bobby Wade, Lance Long, Chris Chambers, Andy Alleman, Ryan O’Callghan, Matt Cassel, Mike Vrabel, and Ryan Succop are all upgrades from the players we had in those positions last year or earlier this year.
My point is, the team is showing good points and bad points. We all knew that this would be a long, tough season and that rebuilding requires time and patience, so why keep focusing on the bad?
by Soria's Unibrow on Nov 10, 2009 1:28 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
well said, and wrecked
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
don't forget
part of the GM duties is to consult directly with upamtm, kray, and UC to get their prior approval for all decisions, trades, fa, draft, etc. and to give a press conference to them immediately after to report exactly what they did and why
Air Cassel - approved for takeoff
Yeah I don't know
what’s going on with that. It’s as though Pioli didn’t read the fine print when he signed the contract that Clark gave him!
Long time kool-aid drinker & too old to learn a new trick! No flip-flopping allowed!
I know you guys are trying to find positives about this team....
but give me a break….the Chiefs have 10 sacks….the ONLY team with less is the Jags (8)……the Chiefs are 31st in the league in sacks….that’s fucking pathetic. This is by no means a good thing.
Don't Fuccop Succop
by chicks_love_chiefs on Nov 10, 2009 12:20 PM CST reply actions
Also the Chiefs have given up 30 sacks....
yes they have given up 3 times the amount of sacks. Once again there is only 1 team that has less sacks, and only 1 team that has given up more sacks….Green Bay (and they played the Vikings twice)….so basically in the sack categorie we are the worst in the league….again….FIRE KRUMRIE
Don't Fuccop Succop
by chicks_love_chiefs on Nov 10, 2009 12:23 PM CST up reply actions
Of course it's a good thing
We’re on pace to double last year’s record-shatteringly bad sack total. What did you expect? To go from worst in the history of the NFL to top five in one season?
Think about it this way. If we stay on this exact pace this year and then continue this trend of doubling every year, next year we’ll have 40. And in 2011 we’ll have 80. And in 2012, where we apparently go undefeated and win the Super Bowl, we get 160 sacks. Awesome.
In all seriousness though, this is a good thing because it is an improvement. It’s not as big of an improvement as any of us would like, but hey, baby steps, right?
by Soria's Unibrow on Nov 10, 2009 12:31 PM CST up reply actions
I see what your saying....
yes we are better than last year (in this department) but, I guess it’s hard to get excited about being the second worst team in the league in any categorie….regardless how terrible they were the year before.
Don't Fuccop Succop
by chicks_love_chiefs on Nov 10, 2009 12:35 PM CST up reply actions
in Pre Draft
Sacks were the only thing people were talking about here on AP. No one said we would set a record for the most sacks, but we wanted improvement and look we got it. We are looking for improvement everywhere it is all we can really look for during a rebuilding season, but too many I guess assumed it would all happen everywhere all over night. Sacks were a huge problem last season it is getting addressed the next off season we will be able to address some of the other weak spots like to O- line and secondary. All these people down on the team, calling for the coaching staffs heads and all this bashing it makes it hard to come to AP anymore. Hell if I want to get bashed on for being a Chiefs fan…I live near New Orleans, I got plenty of people doing it already. But to have to come to a Chiefs site and get it all over again is starting to get to be too much.
is it me? or isn't about time the Lamar Hunt trophy belonged to His team?
I’m a Chiefs fan Dammit and I’m damn proud of it!
I think the Broncos' turnaround is not helping things around here
They also switched to a 3-4 this offseason and they made huge strides immediately. That sucks because it helps the Broncos, whom I hate, and it makes us look bad. I think they have better defensive coaching (I’m on PARADE’s Fire the Shit Out of Pendergast bandwagon) and the players they had were better suited to the switch than ours.
I think there are some bright spots, though. Dorsey, Hali, and Jackson have been looking much better lately and could form the young nucleus of a great defense for years to come!
by Soria's Unibrow on Nov 10, 2009 12:51 PM CST up reply actions
Is it me or...
do the Broncos remind you of the 2003 Chiefs? We went 9-0, people thought we were one of the best but then the real Chiefs were exposed later on in the season.
by RA_ChiefsFan on Nov 10, 2009 1:14 PM CST up reply actions
I have long thought that the Broncos were a paper tiger
And now they’ve lost two in a row and I’m starting to look smarter. Most of their wins are against bad teams, and all of their wins against good teams they eked out by the skin of their teeth. Like the Cincinnati game, for example. I bet they still win the division because they started off so hot, but they’ll probably get bounced out of the playoffs early… just like us in 2003!
by Soria's Unibrow on Nov 10, 2009 1:22 PM CST up reply actions
and I'm getting tired of that unfair comparison also
The Burros were 8-8 last year if I recall. I’m not sure why any of us thought they would suck this year other than McDaniel’s fiasco (I thought) offseason which seems to have righted itself. But, again, they had 8-8 talent to start with. We did not – not even close.
Air Cassel - approved for takeoff
Yeah I just assumed they would be bad after that horrible offseason
I hate to say it, but hats off to McDaniels for minimizing the damage done there. It looks like he has everyone on board with him now, even Brandon Marshall, who had 11 catches for around 125 yards last night if I remember correctly. I have a feeling he might become a coach much like his predecessor, Mike Shanahan—a guy that I hate but I respect the hell out of.
I also agree with the talent deficiency. Not to put too much stock into it, but most of our roster is overall rated in the mid-60s to lower-70s in Madden 10. To put that in perspective, I do all in my power not to start a player who is lower than an 80 when I’m running a franchise!
by Soria's Unibrow on Nov 10, 2009 2:28 PM CST up reply actions
well we cant really blitz right now
We give up waaay to many big plays our saftys r garbage mike brown completely takes the worst angles of all time. We can’t put pressure on the qb if our coverage is pathetic behind it.
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Nov 10, 2009 12:42 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Why is the glass always half empty with so many people!?
I thought all the negative people only show up during the Gameday threads…
Just being realistic....
10 sacks….31st in the league….why is the glass half full again?
Don't Fuccop Succop
by chicks_love_chiefs on Nov 10, 2009 12:58 PM CST up reply actions
I mean if we had 3 sacks last year...
and we had 5 this year…it would be an inpovement…but the fact of the matter is its still terrible….just because we are better than the worst sack team in the history of the nfl, doesn’t mean they have improved nearly as much as they should have
Don't Fuccop Succop
by chicks_love_chiefs on Nov 10, 2009 1:00 PM CST up reply actions
there it goes again...
How many sacks were you expecting after all thats happened so far? A change in regime, personel, and defensive scheme…you say realistic, but your expectations haven’t budged a bit as they should have. Fans were willy nilly optimistic with all the changes at the beginning of the season, but going 1-7 should bring you down to earth and lower your expectations. THAT is the realistic thing to do.
The funny thing is
Pioli in the beginning of all this cautioned fans when some were optimistic about a Miami-esque turnaround. He even said it was going to take time and never said we’d be a playoff contender this year. He’s said that time and time again. Did they expect to be 1-7? Probably not. But never at any time did they promise we’d be leading the AFC West and going into the playoffs. This team was left in shambles so any little improvement, including 10 sacks after 9 weeks, should be seen with optimism.
by RA_ChiefsFan on Nov 10, 2009 1:21 PM CST up reply actions
Who wouldn't say that?
It’s the ultimate cover your ass statement. Do everything in your power to destroy expectations to make your job a little easier.
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Nov 10, 2009 1:38 PM CST up reply actions
You could talk your mouth like Rex Ryan does and look like an idiot as well.
I prefer Pioli to use CYA talk or humble talk.
Good call on Ryan
though Haley was the one saying he was bringing the Chiefs back (he did fail to give a timeframe on that).
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Nov 10, 2009 2:42 PM CST up reply actions
I hate to think we should draft...
the same positions every year….but maybe we suck it up, and do what it takes to fix the problem. That (S) T. Mays seems to be a stud and could turn into a D. Carter or J. Hasty… hmmm
Mays seems like another Pollard type to me
If he hits you, you have a good chance of taking a nap on the football field. But he goes for the big hit on every play and whiffs sometimes.
I’d rather have S Eric Berry from Tennessee. He can hit hard but he also has better coverage skills and can go for a pick six any time. Like a Polamalu type.
by Soria's Unibrow on Nov 10, 2009 12:34 PM CST up reply actions
I'd be pretty happy with either of them actually
I do remember though that Dajuan Morgan was the top-rated safety in a few of the draft magazines a couple of years ago, and he hasn’t done much yet.
by Soria's Unibrow on Nov 10, 2009 12:40 PM CST up reply actions
yeah, we could use a nice combo of brains and speed,
but i do believe you have to have the ability to get up at the safety position and the size not to get pushed around. Throw one of those together and i “could” be sold on a 1st day draft pick…
Eric Berry.........
A good safety is gonna cause more sacks by being where he is supposed to be in space, which causes the QB to hold on to the ball maybe just a second more to find a good window to throw to, which………bammmm Hali in his facemask again!
by Hail2DaChiefs on Nov 10, 2009 1:15 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed
Safety is probably one of the most underrated positions on defense.
I want Eric Berry in red and gold.
I'd be happy with Berry or ANYONE on the oline
we need to spend the first 3 rounds here, maybe 4. We saw what good lines do (see Priest Holmes and early LJ) or even Pittsburgh last night, and what bad olines do (last 3 years post-Roaf and Shields). After that add a TE who can catch and maybe pick some people in FA since were loaded with money to burn.
With more to come this week!
Hali & company get to tee off on a fat, slow target in JaMarcus “awe shucks, all my Haloween candy is gone” Russel. KC gets 4 sacks this Sunday against a struggling O line in Oakland.
It's years like this that I wish I was a bear. Hibernation would make it so much easier.
by Red N Gold Beast on Nov 10, 2009 1:45 PM CST reply actions
Hell yeah
Two for Hali, one for Gilberry, and one for Vrabel
by Soria's Unibrow on Nov 10, 2009 1:46 PM CST up reply actions
Granted, I'm probably being overly optimistic
But I can see it happen. Chiefs ought to be looking for some pay back for JaMarcus masquerading as an NFL QB in the final 5 minutes of the last game.
It's years like this that I wish I was a bear. Hibernation would make it so much easier.
by Red N Gold Beast on Nov 10, 2009 1:48 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think 4 sacks is out of the question at all
The pass rush has been kind of spotty but has gotten better with time. If we would just blitz more often instead of dropping everyone back into a soft zone, we’d be putting up better sack numbers and better defensive numbers overall.
I also predict that Lunchbox will run right into at least one sack this Sunday. His decision making and pocket presence are horrible.
by Soria's Unibrow on Nov 10, 2009 1:52 PM CST up reply actions
Lunchbox, LMAO.
Remember last game how he ran into his own lineman and fell over? He’s just too top heavy. Push him up high and he wobbles.
It's years like this that I wish I was a bear. Hibernation would make it so much easier.
by Red N Gold Beast on Nov 10, 2009 2:15 PM CST up reply actions
The dude needs a bro
Or is it a manssiere?
by Soria's Unibrow on Nov 10, 2009 2:29 PM CST up reply actions
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