Chiefs Checking Out Hardy at Ole Miss, Alabama Game?
by Joel Thorman on Oct 8, 2009 11:56 AM CDT
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Chris Steuber of Scout.com is reporting that the Kansas City Chiefs will attend Saturday's matchup between Ole Miss and Alabama and that one of the targets is believed to be DE/OLB Greg Hardy. It's safe to guess that the 6'4", 265 defender would be utilized as an outside linebacker in a 3-4 scheme.
The San Francisco 49ers, Indianapolis Colts, Tennessee Titans and Minnesota Vikings are expected to attend as well, though, the way the season is going for those teams, only the Chiefs and Titans may have a shot at him considering he's expected to be a very high draft pick.
NFL Draft Scout rates him as the No. 1 defensive end (or 3-4 'backer) and the No. 3 overall prospect.
He's coming off of an ankle injury but Ole Miss head coach Houston Nutt said, "He is a force and hopefully he will just keep getting better and better."
He was a candidate for the NFL draft following his junior season but decided to come back after averaging a sack per game over the last two seasons.
He's a major, major force according to multiple reports - but only when healthy as he's had issues with that in the past.
I'm sure the Chiefs are looking at other players in this game in addition to Hardy but he appears to be a very, very solid prospect. And since he's projected to go very high in the next draft, I imagine the Chiefs are at least preparing for another sub-five win season.
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and I wouldn't be at all surprised if they took Hardy or another highly ranked defender in 1st round
so why is it there’s this “perception” that one should NOT draft OL with a high 1st Round pick?
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
Because we need help inside, not out.
You can get all world guards and centers in the 2nd or 3rd round.
"What?!?! I aint no Obama for the weed!"
-Turk McBride
agreed, for the most part
though, I wouldn’t cry if they drafted a LT, and moved Albert.
But, I’d really like to see a defensive playmaker, at S or LB taken in the 1st
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
if it's true that "You can get all world guards and centers in the 2nd or 3rd round" ... then why didn't Pioli get them this spring?
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
didn't have a 2nd round pick, used the 3rd on a DL that needed help
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
and Glenn Dorsey was an unproven unfit commodity at DE opposite of Jackson
if nothing else Alex Magee provided us something we know will at least have the size and strength to play 3-4 LDE
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
just answering your question
if it’s true that “You can get all world guards and centers in the 2nd or 3rd round” … then why didn’t Pioli get them this spring?
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
True that
Tim Grunhard, 2nd rounder out of Notre Dame.
About the Chiefs: I'd rather be a realist than a pessimist
by Red N Gold Beast on Oct 8, 2009 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions
would not mind him taking Vrabel's spot at all
with a pass rush like that he’d make our secondary look like world beaters
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
He's more likely to take DJs
About the Chiefs: I'd rather be a realist than a pessimist
by Red N Gold Beast on Oct 8, 2009 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions
if he's an OLB/DE pass rusher...
that’s not DJ’s spot…that’s Vrabel and Hali
And you can bet that the Chiefs are looking for Vrabel’s Successor.
he’s good… but he’ll need to be replaced at some point
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
mays and berry go top 8 guaranteed
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
other prospects at this game
that big fat NT plays for Bama, right?
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
speaking of gigantic players
where did Herman Johnson (LSU) go?
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
5th round to the Cards
not played yet
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
6'7 382 wooohooo
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
hm strange
he was touted as a second round prospect… then again his technique sucks, he basically just got in peoples way back at LSU
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
RT's don't have to be
I figured that’s where he’d end up but I guess not.. They have him as a guard
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
Bama's got several prospects
Hardy’s been a bit disappointing this season, better think Sapp for a top 10 pick.
The Chiefs
desperately need playmakers on both sides of the ball in addition to O-lineman.
None of their recent high draft picks consistently make plays – namely Bowe, DJ, and Dorsey.
I’m not counting Tyson Jackson since he’s a rookie.
I think Dorsey is having a much better year
He hasn’t been getting many tackles, but I’ve seen him in on a lot of plays…and he’s tipped at least 2-3 passes so far. We’ve played against some pretty good OLs so far, I’m really interested to see how the DL looks against the softer schedule coming up.
agreed
I don’t have issues with Dorsey or Jackson at this point… they are foundation bricks that had to be put in place to build upon. 2010 should be the year to draft playmakers and fix the OL.
Bowe and DJ are playmakers… they just have to be put in the postion to make plays. They’ll get there.
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
Some other prospects
Miss – WR – SR Shay Hodge 6’2 207
Miss – DE – JR Kentrell Locket 6’5 254 – another DE/OLB prospect.
Miss – S – SR Kendrick Lewis 6’1 195 – last season he had 85 tackles 4int 1sack.
Alabama- JR Rolando McClain LB 6’4 258
Alabama – SR – Javier Arenas DB 5’9 198 – This is the guy we need. One of the most dangerous return guys in college football. On top of returning 3 punts for TD last year he had 63 tackles 3.5tfl and 2sacks. This year so far he has 26 tackles 4tfl and 3sacks. Dude is a beast.
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
i use the cbs sports draft scout page
and it lists arenas as a 3rd rounder and he is a CB if he were a safety might be different but do you think they will take another CB
He is a need on ST.
But he is also a good defender…..I dont know. I would hate to spend a 3rd rounder on another CB like you said. BUT With 3 picks in the first 2 rounds…..we should consider him.
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
So far I can see Carr and Flowers as our CB for the future.
I just think Arenas gives our team a whole different element we had with Dante Hall. When you can get field position like Hall gave us its a lot easier to score. Maybe he sneaks into the 4th….he would be a steal.
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
We could do what the Bears did with Hester
dude sucked at corner I know your saying this guy doesnt but draft him just for returns and then make him a Wr…?
Check out this Arenas Vid...
The punt return at the 1:00 minute mark is one of the best I have ever seen……he slips right through like 5 guys…..crazy!
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zkhf296k4AQ
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
Make sure and check it out when you get hom...
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
doubt it
if he converted to anything it would be WR. his size limits him to play safety. he probably wont ever be starting nfl cb material….but should be a staple on st for a long time.
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
After watching
the video, I’d say that he is definitely both of those. Stops & starts again instantaneously making numerous tacklers fly by without allowing those behind him to catch up. Its a highlight film but I was impressed.
Great Post Joel, but I'm more intrigued by what it says about Chiefs fans
It’s week 5 and we’re thinking draft. I thought I was the only one that has been surfing the 2010 draft info.
It’s a sad state of affairs when you’re a football fan in October preparing for next April.
NFL draft is 365 24/7
You never stop scouting and analyzing players…..its a full-time job getting read for the draft….you dont just start getting ready after the season.
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
I still say we take a safety in the first
If we could get a safety that is at least good by NFL standards our defense would look a lot better.. But I wouldn’t mind Hardy seeing as a solid pass rush makes a mediocre secondary good
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
If we can get Berry or Mays
I think either of those two would be outstanding picks in the first round. If neither is available when we pick I’d want to go with a top rated rush LB or LT. I don’t think any other position would be a great enough need on this team to go with the first pick.
by jmcgoblue on Oct 8, 2009 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
agreed and wrecked, jmc
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
Not surprised
Pioli will most likely go with either a LB or an OL in the first round. They have higher success rates. We can’t afford to miss right now.
About the Chiefs: I'd rather be a realist than a pessimist
by Red N Gold Beast on Oct 8, 2009 1:39 PM CDT reply actions
I think we are in a position to take the best player on the board come our pick....
….I really don’t think we could pass up a elite player when our pick comes up. Only positions I could see as possibly untouchable 1st round pick would be QB and that may become touchable as the season wears on.
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.
I like
Willie Young out of NC State. He is a 6’4 250lbs DE that could very well transition to an OLB in our system. He has like 7 sacks already this year.
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
I want either a true pass rushing OLB
or OLine.
We need to address Oline fast and furious in the draft. I say we draft atleast 3 guys that could potentially start….Center Right Guard and Right Tackle.
OLB is a priority. Speed rusher….nothing else. I would also like a starting Safety out of the bunch…
Priority list.
1. OLB
2. Oline
3. Safety
4. Kick/Punt Returner
5. WR
6. NT
7. TE
8. RB
9. QB
10. ILB
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
close to agreeing with you...
S
OL- Starters at C, RG
KR/PR
ILB
OLB
WR
TE
RB
NT
OL- Depth at LT/RT
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
I like both your lists, but
I think some speed at the WR position is right up there with OL help. The o-line is part of the problem with the pass game, but our WRs getting no separation is too.
It's a good thing Pioli and Haley aren't running AP or a lot of you guys would of been traded or cut for cast offs from the Pats Pulpit.
Hardy is the top rated OLB right now?
There are many other players I would take for 3-4 OLB before Hardy. My #1 OLB is Jerry Hughes from TCU. Watch some vids on how this guy explodes off the ball, and is always around the ball can get sideline to sideline and up the field.
If we went with OLB in the first round do you guys think he would take Vrabel’s spot or would he take Hali’s spot and move Hali over to the LOLB spot? Hali has impressed me with his ability to drop into soft coverage but like last year he just is not good against LTs.
Hardy or Hughes
If available, the team needs to pick one of the theses guys or a similar speed rusher if someone else emerges as the college season progresses. Vrabel can be moved to inside backer where he still be a big help to the team.
Gresham TE OU’s draft status is uncertain. He is listed as the No. 1 TE out of college, but this seasons injury and the fact the many teams may not draft a TE in the first round may allow him to drop to KC in the 2nd. Gresham is a good receiver and blocker who would be a huge help to our offense.
There will still be some good offensive lineman available in the 2nd that can come in and play right away for the team to draft after this. There are a number of quality safeties and good prospects at linebacker that can be taken in the later rounds.
I’m interested to hear some thoughts on Tim Tebow. Not as a QB, but what about linebacker, or tight end. This is guy is a football player and not just a QB and brings a lot of passion to the game, which this team will need next season.
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