Former Chief Hicks Calls Atmosphere at Arrowhead "Toxic"
by Joel Thorman on Oct 6, 2009 3:55 PM CDT
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Last week, we relayed the words of Tim Grunhard on 810 WHB who said the new regime at Arrowhead didn't seem to want the former players around. At the time, I tiptoed around the topic because Grunhard is not just a former player, but also a frequent visitor of 810 WHB which makes him part of the media. I also said I would withhold further judgment until more evidence appeared.
This morning, more evidence appeared. Former Chief Eric Hicks expressed a similar sentiment as Grunhard. He talked about Haley's hard-nosed tactics and said while he may be a Parcells disciple, he hasn't had the success to justify that. Like they say, winning cures a lot of ills.
"I've heard a lot of stories out at Arrowhead these days and it's just disappointing the stuff that I hear," he said. "I can't divulge my sources, of course, but it's just tough to listen to them and you only hope they can find a happy medium somewhere.
"I don't see the players hanging in there that much longer putting up with this stuff."
More from Hicks after the jump.
Hicks also described the atmosphere as "so toxic for success to happen."
"It's almost like a reverse polarity happens," he said of the 2009 Chiefs. "Success gets close to the team then just vanishes away. It seems to me that a lot of people think they invented the three point stance and they didn't. It's just disappointing especially the way I was brought up in this town and by the coaches I was brought up with."
Success has seemed to vanish away as of late but it doesn't have anything to do with the new regime. Last season, the Chiefs frequently held leads in the second half and somehow, someway let them slip away. To me, this is a talent issue, not an old vs. new regime issue.
Still, though, Hicks is disappointed in the way he is now viewed by the organization.
"I remember I went over there one time," he continued. "I've only been to the new facility one time since I was released. I had to be escorted into the building and I spent ten years in the building. I should be able to go into the locker room if I want.
"I'm just not used to the atmosphere and I'm just not sure how much longer this town is going to put up with it."
While it's generally important to note how former players feel, we're concerned with the current version of the Chiefs. Hicks, however, apparently has sources who are telling him about this "toxic" atmosphere (which makes him a reporter?). He last played for the Chiefs in 2006 so it's possible his sources are current players with the club.
I'm not sure what, if anything, will come out of these former players speaking out against the new regime in Kansas City but it's clear as day that it's taking folks a while to get used to the 'Patriot Way' that's being instilled inside Arrowhead. However, the only way this becomes a true model of the 'Patriot Way' is whether the wins come with the secrecy.
You can listen to the entire segment courtesy of 810 WHB.
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He also has not retired...
which means any team that wants him can sign him. I don’t think the current regime wants a potential competitor just walking around the facility.
by ICTChief on Oct 6, 2009 4:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
not
everyone can be a all pro guy he is a gule guy he busted his ass for ya was he a great plaeyer no but he was a staerter for u for 4 years or so
okay i have cereal palsy arhrtis and chronic fatiue as well i have a grea life loveing folks some days are better that other days i got a make a wish in 2001 saw my favorive team the broncos was the trip of the lifetime i wish everyone couild gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that ok but i bleed organ and bule
by j-man on Oct 6, 2009 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do what now?
Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...
by JHWK on Oct 6, 2009 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not trying to be a dick, just trying to figure out how that relates to the point
made by ICTChief about Hicks not being retired yet (which could jade how he is viewed by the current regime).
Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...
by JHWK on Oct 6, 2009 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Eric Hicks
You SUCK. You and the rest of your pathetic defense cost us our most legit chance at a superbowl in 2003. So it’s a DAMN GOOD thing they escort you through the building. I don’t see why you think you can just walk into the locker room of a team you’re not on anymore. KC HATED YOU BRO. YOU’RE TRASH.
by TonylovesKC on Oct 7, 2009 12:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you were toxic to the team's success, Hicks
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Oct 6, 2009 4:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...
by JHWK on Oct 6, 2009 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why does apparently every former player think they own stake in the franchise?
If it was Len Dawson, it would be one thing, but it’s not, it’s Eric Hicks, who is completely irrelevant to the 2009 Chefs.
(no offense to you Joel, I know you’re just keeping us informed and we appreciate it).
by jbj8609 on Oct 6, 2009 4:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hicks was irrelevant to the 1998-2007 Chiefs
by Ren on Oct 6, 2009 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Build what? a bench for him to sit on?
He mastered bench warming and injuries I know that
by Ren on Oct 6, 2009 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
pioli is doing the right damn thing if your not on the field get the F*** out
by redmedicone on Oct 6, 2009 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You guys werent bitching when he had 14 sacks in 2000 now were ya.
Don't Fuccop Succop
by chicks_love_chiefs on Oct 6, 2009 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
is he doin that now heellllllllllll no
by redmedicone on Oct 6, 2009 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah but to say he completly sucked is off base..
Don't Fuccop Succop
by chicks_love_chiefs on Oct 6, 2009 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He had one good year
Then a shit load of missed tackles. Boom.
by TonylovesKC on Oct 7, 2009 12:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
2000
No, were weren’t complaining about him in 2000. Was he complaining when he got paid millions of dollars to play here? His last couple of years, he was greatly overpaid for his production. Maybe if he returned that money he got paid for not producing, the Chiefs could build a Former Player’s Lounge in Arrowhead with it. What’s that, you mean he isn’t going to pay the money back?
The way it works is, he got paid loads and loads of money to play here. That was business for both him and the team. When the business relationship ended, he moved on to other teams, and is still trying to catch on with another team. Why should he be allowed to wander around Arrowhead like he built the place?
The relationship is over, move on Hicks. You got compensated really well for your time with KC and that should be enough for you. If you wanted a lifetime pass, you should have negotiated it into your contract and taken less cash in exchange for it. But you didn’t.
by Offense of the 70s on Oct 7, 2009 7:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not
aware of anywhere that has security where someone can just roam freely where ever they want to roam without an escort or at least someone signing for & endorsing their presence. This secrecy thing is being blown way out of proportion.
by ttownmikey on Oct 6, 2009 4:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
My old high school won't even let me in
without a visitor’s pass and Hicks is upset that a team he hasn’t played for in 3 years (that also just happens to have an entirely new administration) won’t let him wander around the locker room? Sounds like somebody’s got some sand in their vagina.
Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...
by JHWK on Oct 6, 2009 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what does a school have to do with it?
it’s a football team … there is no “national security” involved … it’s sports, not a war room at the Pentagon …
funny, when I make a comment about Haley (a few weeks ago) and make the point about coaching being (like) teaching, I get blasted by APers telling me “it’s football, not a school” … now all of a sudden … it is?
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by upamtn on Oct 6, 2009 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
There have been about a half a million hits on this site over the past few weeks so you can’t lump us into all APers :)
by Joel Thorman on Oct 6, 2009 5:34 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
good point, Joel
especially coming from the Head APe
yrs truly,
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by upamtn on Oct 6, 2009 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i consider football to be war and if this person is just wondering around get out of there
can i being in the military just waltz into Arrowhead and bs with the players? absolutely not just as i cant waltz into the pentagon and go up to Generals and tell them my thoughts.
The Rock had a great line “Know your role”
by jrcnc on Oct 6, 2009 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's just like going to a local school, right?
You sign in at the office and head to where you are supposed to go. You wonder off course, you are asked to leave. Not tough to figure out… unless you were catered to in your school…
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by 306008 on Oct 6, 2009 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What has Hicks ever won?
At least Haley’s been to a Super Bowl. Hicks never even won a playoff game.
And why should we care what Hicks thinks anyway? Does he consider himself to be part of some great legacy or something? Sorry to break it to you, Eric, but you aren’t a big figure in Chiefs history, you basically had one good year and otherwise were a footnote on underachieving teams. You already got paid for your production here, and that time is over, so move on.
It appears that under Peterson and Herman, any former players could just come in and hang around the locker room whenever they wanted. Why would that be a good thing? Wouldn’t that be a distraction?
If former players who actually accomplished great things with the team want to still be associated with the team, that’s great. But why should Eric Hicks get free reign of the facilities whenever he wants?
by Offense of the 70s on Oct 6, 2009 4:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think Hicks has a point...I'm cool with the poor treatment..But success needs to be shown
I’m really unhappy with how Pioli would be okay hiring an 9-7 offensive coordinator as a coach, and bringing in an unsuccessful D-coordinator as our new Defensive coordinator..That’s pure insanity especially for someone who has been around the league as long as pioli has..The guy should’ve known better…
If we go 2-14 again..Look for a new coach
by CALIFAN1986 on Oct 6, 2009 4:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You can argue that aspect.
…and probably make decent case at the moment.
But to his other point: A former player coming to the stadium and acting like he owns the place, then bitching to the media when he has to be “escorted” around the stadium is just someone looking for another reason to complain. If you don’t like the lack of wins, or what your buddies who are still on the team think of the new regime, that’s one thing. But the Chiefs don’t personally owe Eric Hicks (or Tim Grunhard, for that matter) anything that wasn’t on his contract.
Boo-hoo for him.
by jbj8609 on Oct 6, 2009 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not going to argue with you
About Pendergast, but Haley had the second most productive offense last year despite having no running game. Don’t know if he will be succesful, but he does have good credentials.
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by Scaryclouds on Oct 6, 2009 4:18 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
The whole Pendergast thing pisses me off so much
Haley has until the end of the year to prove me wrong..I want to like him but the play calling makes me wanna rip my hair out
I really do believe if we finish 2-14 or worse, Haley is fired and the staff is completely over hauled..I hate to say it but I view this year as a waste..I think we’re done..I’d rather see us hire a coach like cowher, Marty, shanny who has success winning during reg. season..
I could care less about playoffs..I just want to see a team that wins, exciting to watch, and makes it to the playoffs
by CALIFAN1986 on Oct 6, 2009 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t agree with that. Yes another 2-14 year would be disappointing, but completely overhauling the coaching staff after one season seems a bit Raider like to me.
I can understand changing some coaches, like hiring an OC or replacing Pendergast, etc. but I don’t see the benefit in changing the whole staff after one year, no matter how bad a year it is.
Of course, I don’t think they’re going to end up 2-14 either.
by bh13 on Oct 6, 2009 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have you ever personally spoken with either Haley or Clancy?
Have you ever been the GM of a pro sports team?
Didn’t think so. Until you have done one, or preferably both, of those things you’ve got no ability to make an informed statement about the hiring of either. You may not like the hirings but until this coaching staff has had a chance to prove Pioli right (or wrong), no one can make the claim that hiring them was “pure insanity.”
Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...
by JHWK on Oct 6, 2009 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
So two former players, one of which has done nothing in his career,
are pissed cause they can’t get inside the facility without some restrictions. sounds like a bunch whiny bitches to me. Get over it
by Chiefs447 on Oct 6, 2009 4:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah..
sounds like they just want some attention
by BIG_CHIEF18 on Oct 6, 2009 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And just cause they can't get in, doesn't mean things are "toxic" with the actual team. What a joke
by Chiefs447 on Oct 6, 2009 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's funny
how such big dudes and be such big babies
by BIG_CHIEF18 on Oct 6, 2009 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
they could let in Grunhard and Hicks both, this team has toxic and poison written all over it ...
Waters and how he was treated
LJ’s a nuclear meltdown waiting to happen
Pollard release was insane, his demotion even more so
DJ … hello? anyone seen DJ lately?
oh, you dropped a pass, you’re human … sorry, down to third string with ya … and we won’t have the guts or courtesy to tell you to your face, we’re just gonna post it on the wall …
Haley has “promised” competition at EVERY position … ummmmmm … I’m all for tossing Croyle in for a couple of games … worst that happens is what, we LOSE? yeah, and then we might miss out on the SB, huh
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by upamtn on Oct 6, 2009 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
da wha?
Seriously?
Waters was being a sissy….hes with the program now…
Pollard was not a good SS, maybe mediocre…that aside, it sure as hell isnt insane to release the guy, he didnt buy in….
DJ has been hurt, and at best, at BEST, inconsistent….
And the Croyle comment, wow….so sad…
Do you watch football? Just sayin….
by The IT Guy on Oct 6, 2009 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mike Silver has an interesing slant on coordinators becoming head coaches ...
and it’s something I’m tossed about before, namely that perhaps Todd Haley is better suited to an OC position than as HC … that said, I’m pleased to know that Grunhard isn’t alone in what he says about the goings on at Arrowhead, Hicks pretty much backed up what Grunhard said (and yeah, all you Whitlock haters out there, what Jason’s been writing for months)
yeah, Haley’s been to a Super Bowl … so? doesn’t make him a good or even capable HC, and between Haley and Pioli, I just don’t like the whole “closed to everyone we’ll tell you what we we want you to know” thing that’s been going on since Day One of this regime
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Oct 6, 2009 4:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
why does it please you?
Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day.
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by kcguy on Oct 6, 2009 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
because about 90% of APers were on Grunhard's case saying it was BS, and a higher % than that calling Whitlock a liar ...
Hicks is right, the atmosphere at One Arrowhead Drive is “toxic” and detrimental to a sports franchise …
look, this isn’t the Pentagon … it’s a FOOTBALL TEAM, ok? this is sports, this isn’t planning against a terrorist attack … and if Hicks didn’t outright say it, he certainly hinted at it: the players are gonna toss Captain Haley overboard soon
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by upamtn on Oct 6, 2009 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i still don't understand why you like to hear it
i assume by your matter of fact statement “Hicks is right, the atmosphere at One Arrowhead Drive is "toxic" and detrimental to a sports franchise …” you have first hand knowledge of the atmosphere or just what an ex player has to say? i would be more concerned if the atmosphere was awesome despite zero wins so far.
Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day.
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by kcguy on Oct 6, 2009 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
turn it around, guy ...
maybe we have zero wins BECAUSE of the atmosphere … just a thought, yanno?
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by upamtn on Oct 6, 2009 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
or maybe we just don't have better teams
than the giant, eagles and ravens. we should have won against the raiders but i don’t that last drive had anything to do with atmosphere. just a thought too. you seem to be rooting for haley to fail. why? i’m not saying you have to like him or his style but i would think you’d rather seem him be successful instead of pleased about a supposed toxic team atmosphere
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by kcguy on Oct 6, 2009 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no no no no no - you're missing the point
sure I’d love for Haley and the team to be successful, I’m a Chiefs fan – but I disagree with Haley’s STYLE and have he got here (and Pioli’s too, for that matter) – and my point is that it’s POSSIBLE that Haley’s STYLE (or maybe Pioli’s or maybe a combination of the two) is what’s causing (at least SOME of) the problems
no, I’m NOT “pleased” that there is (or by accounts that there is) a “toxic team atmosphere” – what I’m saying is that MAYBE … just MAYBE …
1) it COULD be, you know … true
2) if it IS true then it’s NOT good and hmmmm, what’s the SOURCE
3) if it IS true and the SOURCE is either Haley or Pioli then THAT"S not good either
make sense yet?
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by upamtn on Oct 6, 2009 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the toxic statement is hick's opinion
not a quote from someone on the team. it could be true, i’m not saying unequivocally it is or isn’t. it may be true that hick’s has an axe to grind, who knows? if you don’t like their styles, that’s fine but you seem to act like they took over an awesome team and are running it into the ground. the fact is, they didn’t. so it seems logical to me that these guys are going to do things in a similar manner to those they have been around that were successful. seems like a wise thing for them to do, imo. like i said below, they are not the only people to do business like this in the nfl and, fyi, it’s generally pretty successful
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by kcguy on Oct 6, 2009 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
thank you...
is there a way to not read a certain posters comments, like a permanent minimize comment button?
by The IT Guy on Oct 6, 2009 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The precendence suggests otherwise...
Or at least it has been shown that NFL players are apt to respond positively to this treatment…
Previous examples by Parcells and others tell us that…
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by woodman212 on Oct 6, 2009 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mangini's doing a great job with it too.
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Oct 6, 2009 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The point is that the attitude clearly CAN work...
I would actually not put Mangini in the same category…He takes it to a new level…fining 1700 for a water bottle over-charge…nonsense
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by woodman212 on Oct 7, 2009 12:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agree
okay i have cereal palsy arhrtis and chronic fatiue as well i have a grea life loveing folks some days are better that other days i got a make a wish in 2001 saw my favorive team the broncos was the trip of the lifetime i wish everyone couild gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that ok but i bleed organ and bule
by j-man on Oct 6, 2009 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
remember I went over there one time," he continued. "I’ve only been to the new facility one time since I was released. I had to be escorted into the building and I spent ten years in the building. I should be able to go into the locker room if I want.
OH NoES! I’s visted a former eomployer AND they’s make me walk ARROUND with TEH security!! jsut like A NORMAL PERSON WULD HASS TO!
…baby.
by jbj8609 on Oct 6, 2009 4:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't really give a damn about Hicks
and I am generally a pretty big supporter of Haley and Pioli. However I don’t like hearing that there is a bad atmosphere around this team. We don’t want to end up like tha Raiders.
My guess is that it might be one or two players bitching. You probably get that with any team.
From everything I have seen of Scott Pioli I just can’t believe he’d let it all go down the shitter like that. he seems like a polite, smart person and he doesn’t seem the least bit arrogant to me.
I’ll support them for now and let time decide.
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by Patrick Allen on Oct 6, 2009 4:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hicks is a moron
Boo-f’ing-hoo. This is pathetic. It’s obvious why any team would not want irresponsible jackasses wandering the halls looking for information to make them feel like they are still part of the NFL. Sound harsh? Yes, it is. This is bullshit. Former employees of any company don’t just come over for a cup of coffee. If that’s the way Club Herm was run or any other regime in the past, fine. It’s different now and that doesn’t make it bad. In fact, it might be really, really smart. I’m sick of the bed-wetting. The Chiefs are in transition. There is culture shock and change going on. This is predictable and anyone who who has taken over a dysfunction, casual-to-a-fault company understands what the first year is like. It’s hell. And, it gets much better after that. When all the bed-wetting and compaining is over and all the trouble-makers are rooted out, things get better. Someone get Hicks a skirt.
by ChiefConcern on Oct 6, 2009 4:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
haha "Clube Herm"
Love it. Makes me imagine what the locker room was like when Herm ran things. Guys sitting around playing Xbox, drinking wine coolers and listening to terrible music. 5 minutes before kick off Herm would say “Altight boys, get your helmets on. We have to go to work but don’t worry, win or lose I am taking you all out for ice cream!”
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by Patrick Allen on Oct 6, 2009 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Club Herm*
I bet he took them all out for ice cream after each loss.
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by Patrick Allen on Oct 6, 2009 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
No wonder
they were establishing a tradition. Ice cream socials rather than winning. I much prefer the attitude of the new regime over Club Herm!
by ttownmikey on Oct 6, 2009 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder how much Jared Allen roamed the Halls last year ?
No wonder we sucked…..Jared was a spy !
by CJ-in-2018 on Oct 6, 2009 4:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
When I see the name Hicks, I think Aliens
but he was kinda good in Aliens
Blame my wife!
Waiting until August 2010
by sir eccles on Oct 6, 2009 4:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
why would a released player wanna go to the teams facility that just fired you? i dont wanna go back to my previous jobs lol im gonna be at the .one that gives me a paycheck every friday lol
ERIC HICKS=FAILLLLL!!!!!!
by kcchiefsfan56 on Oct 6, 2009 4:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Not sure why everyone is so quick to discount this.
You don’t have to lie it, but if he does have sources (why doubt him) then there appears to be a problem independent of Hicks’ ability to get into Arrowhead. Add Grunhard’s reports, LJ’s Tweet, DJ and Paige saying no one told them why they were benched and sounding like they don’t care and there might be a problem.
What Hicks accomplished as a player has nothing to do with his observations and reports of what’s going on right now.
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Oct 6, 2009 4:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Did we ever hear more about LJ's tweet?
Was the “EGO” post a direct shot at the admin?
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by KansasCityShuffle on Oct 6, 2009 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Talked about it a bit in the morning post
But there’s not much there…it’s pretty strange.
by Joel Thorman on Oct 6, 2009 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could there be a problem?
Yes there COULD be. However, it will take more then a “secret source” from someone who has his panties all in a bunch about not getting the keys to the castle to convince me. Not every player liked playing for Parcells or Belichek either. The fact that guys like Warner and Fitzgerald had nothing but positives to say about Haley’s style carries a lot more weight with me then some unexplained “tweet” and a pissed off Eric Hicks.
It's a good thing Pioli and Haley aren't running AP or a lot of you guys would of been traded or cut for cast offs from the Pats Pulpit.
by KCporkchop on Oct 6, 2009 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
good points, NJ
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by upamtn on Oct 6, 2009 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don’t have to lie it
Should be “like it”
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Oct 6, 2009 4:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
and I failed to reply to my own post.
I mostly suck.
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Oct 6, 2009 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
yer ok, NJ ... just remember: ego ... ego ... ego ...
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by upamtn on Oct 6, 2009 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just love
how many fans have fell hook, line, and sinker for this new administration to the extent where anything that comes out in negative light is immediately dismissed as hogwash. Open up your eyes folks – we’ve been duped again. Todd Haley is not the savior of this franchise. He was a rookie mistake for a first time GM. He is in way over his head and the sooner people realize this the less trouble they will have with their expectations meshing with reality.
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by KansasCityShuffle on Oct 6, 2009 4:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
too early to tell either way
You saying that Todd Haley is a mistake is just as big of bandwagon jump as anyone saying he can do no wrong. It’s just a bandwagon headed in the opposite direction. He may turn things around or he may fail, we don’t know. Four regular season games following a combined 6-26 record the two previous seasons is just not enough time to tell either way. You think he’ll fail, I think he’ll do well. Neither of us know, time will tell.
It's a good thing Pioli and Haley aren't running AP or a lot of you guys would of been traded or cut for cast offs from the Pats Pulpit.
by KCporkchop on Oct 6, 2009 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Incorrect
If you cared to waste enough of your time reading my comments, you’d learn I wasn’t a Haley supporter from day numero uno. Stating I’m a bandwagon jumper would indicate at one point I was in favor of his hire which I can’t neccessarily say I was.
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by KansasCityShuffle on Oct 6, 2009 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fine, maybe that's not the right phrase
my point is, saying he is a mistake before he has a chance to prove himself is just as unfounded as saying he will lead us to a super bowl before he has a chance to prove he can do that. You have a right to not think he’s the right guy for the job, but that’s your opinion. Just like it’s mine that he was a good hire. So why is your opinion correct and mine makes me a “kool aid” drinker. Can’t we just have different opinions without insinuating that people who think different then you are just mindless followers who are eating up whatever the Chiefs are serving?
It's a good thing Pioli and Haley aren't running AP or a lot of you guys would of been traded or cut for cast offs from the Pats Pulpit.
by KCporkchop on Oct 6, 2009 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Open up your eyes folks – we’ve been duped again. Todd Haley is not the savior of this franchise. He was a rookie mistake for a first time GM. He is in way over his head and the sooner people realize this the less trouble they will have with their expectations meshing with reality.
Isn’t this assumption 4 weeks into a new regime just as naive and pre-emptive as the people who claim to have have been “duped” by seeing Haley and Pioli as a “savior”? I mean if you’re going to imply that, you may want to speak for yourself. Its just as much a bandwagon to be on as the people who need to “open up [their] eyes.” I don’t think the term “bandwagon jump” meant you shifted your opinion, it’s simply making the point that their horse is just as high as your own.
by jbj8609 on Oct 6, 2009 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's a "bandwagon mentality" only if one doesn't think for oneself ...
oh look, a parade!
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Oct 6, 2009 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How?
How do you know? You are speaking in absolutes about something that is so far from being absolute that you cant describe it…you have no idea whether he can coach, or pioli can create a good team….but yet you spout off about it like someone gave you the sole responsibility to claim “HALEY AND PIOLI SUCK” as loud as you can say it….this isnt productive in any way….2nd Graders cant write the same stuff…
Also, a bit of evidence: Belichick and Pioli went 0-4 to start at New England….
by The IT Guy on Oct 6, 2009 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so much to refute, so little time ...
1 my comment regarding “bandwagan mentality” is just that, my opinion and
perhaps a clarification for some as to what the term (bandwagon) means
2 I am far from the only APer who is not a huge fan of Pioli and/or Haley, and just because I don’t believe that everything either of them have done turns to gold doesn’t earn you (or anyone else) the “right” to slam me (or anyone else)
3 you are entitled to whatever opinions you have, just as I’m entitled to mine, and just as everyone on AP is entitled to think whatever they’d like to think about Pioli, Haley, DJ, LJ and LC’s BarBQ for that matter
4 we try not to make comparisions to 2nd Graders because it’s not polite to hurt the feelings of elementary school children
5 you’re new here, I believe, so I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt for the time being … yes, it’s true I’m not a fan of Haley … it’s also true I’ve written some positive things about him from time to time (including a different thread earlier today regarding his press conference), so stop with the absolutes already …
now then, if you can’t come back at someone w/o making a reference to 2nd graders then please wait til you’re in the 3rd grade before you post again – I’ve defended a number of other APers whose beliefs differ from mine (Patrick Allen comes to mind) from posters who tend to get “personal” in their comments
thank you
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by upamtn on Oct 7, 2009 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea...its too early to say that...by any means...
And people haven’t fallen blindly…we just give them the benefit of the doubt and a grace period of sorts to learn themselves and show us they can win…this was discussed yesterday…
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by woodman212 on Oct 6, 2009 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jesus Shuffle
We discussed this yesterday. This is like, so, 24 hours ago.
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Chiefs will be lucky to go 4-12 in 2010
by KansasCityShuffle on Oct 6, 2009 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lol...i didnt mean it like that...
But the point remains that it is too early to talk like that…Haley would have been highly sought after as a HC candidate if teams didnt have to wait until after the Super Bowl. It’s not like we hired some obscure guy, he was a hot candidate. Now that doesn’t necessarily mean anything, just saying he wasn’t an off the wall candidate.
We were in no way duped. Anyone who did not expect a rookie head coach to have some growing pains was a fool from the start. Especially considering the responsibilities he took on, albeit foolishly, so late in the preseason.
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by woodman212 on Oct 6, 2009 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
too early????????????????
Is there such a thing as too early? You mean to say to me that the Lions fans after year of Matt Millen, we should give him more time?
Predictions as of 06.24.2009.
Larry Johnson will be a top 3 fantasy pick once again in 2010 (after a monster season in 2009.)
Dwayne Bowe will be a 2009 Pro Bowl selection.
Brandon Flowers will have at least 6 INTs in 2009 season.
Todd Haley will have a sideline shouting match caught on TV yelling at one of his asst. coaches.
by 58 was my friend on Oct 7, 2009 1:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
too early????????????????
Is there such a thing as too early? You mean to say to me that the Lions fans, after year one of Matt Millen regime, they were rooting for him to succeed down the road? should give him more time?
Predictions as of 06.24.2009.
Larry Johnson will be a top 3 fantasy pick once again in 2010 (after a monster season in 2009.)
Dwayne Bowe will be a 2009 Pro Bowl selection.
Brandon Flowers will have at least 6 INTs in 2009 season.
Todd Haley will have a sideline shouting match caught on TV yelling at one of his asst. coaches.
by 58 was my friend on Oct 7, 2009 1:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why is it
that any one (me) that says give it some time is labeled as being a sucker? Any one who has their feelings completely raw over this 0-4 start deserves the pain they feel. How much can you do in one season (Not even! More like a late start to an off season then a 1/4 of a reg season) with a team that has been in a talent deficit for the last 7-8 years? Yeah it sucked that Hale/Pioli didn’t do more to bring in some FA O-Line, but, did they not try, or were their no takers? Was it Hunt struggling financially? Was it that they overestimated the talent, or were they so arrogant that they thought they could coach these guys up and make players out of them?
Who Knows?! Only TIME (more than a 1/4 of a season) will tell!
by JohnNdallas on Oct 6, 2009 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I just love
how many fans are ready to write the new administration off after 4 games that most people thought they’d lose, aside from the Raiders.
Am I happy with everything that’s happened so far? No, I’m not. There have been questionable decisions on and off the field at times. Still, it’s been 4 games against 3 teams that are pretty much locks for the playoffs. I’m sure some will disagree, but other than the Eagles game, I think they’ve looked pretty good.
Yes, they should have won the Raiders game, I’m not going to argue that. No, they haven’t been perfect, that’s why I said pretty good. Not good, not great. I think some people forgot just how bad we were last year. It’s going to take time to get this turned around.
Could they have done more to improve the team this year? Most likely, yes. There were some players I wanted in free agency and the draft I thought would be upgrades but they didn’t get them. Time will tell if they know better than me. I’m going to assume they do.
I won’t be surprised to see some changes after this year. Bring in an OC to help Haley at the very least, maybe a new DC to replace Pendergast. I imagine some position coaches will be replaced too. Barring a complete meltdown however, I don’t see Haley going anywhere.
I don’t have a problem with people criticizing them, I really don’t. Some people have made valid points. I do have a problem with those that sound like they’re pulling for the team to lose just so they can be right about Haley or Pioli or Cassel or… I’m not saying you’re doing that, I’m not even saying people on this site are doing that, but I have seen comments on various sites that come off that way.
Personally, I still like Haley. Again, he hasn’t been perfect by any stretch but he’s a rookie HC, mistakes are going to happen. I think they’ll start winning some games in the back half of the schedule, they may even be able to get one against the Redskins. Time will tell, but let’s try to have a little patience.
I know it’s not easy. This team has been hard to watch the past two years and this year hasn’t started much better. I think they’ve shown some signs of improvement, others disagree. That’s fine.
The important thing to remember, no matter which side of the argument you fall on, is that we’re all Chiefs fans. We don’t have to like every single thing they do, but we should be able to discuss our team without resorting to name calling or insults.
Sorry for being so long-winded. I don’t usually talk this much.
by bh13 on Oct 6, 2009 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
EGO EGO EGO
I think a lot of Haley/Pioli supporters here are missing the point. The Haley bashers aren’t haters by all means but are making an effort to state the obvious in pointing out some flaws (yes mistakes) the rookie HC is making. But it could be EGO,
what if… the new admin (Pioli and Haley) were told about the team’s weakness but they ignored it and refused to listen – making their own assumptions that it was bad coaching and players fault that the team underachieved in 2008. Fact of the matter, it was all along a major lacking in talent on the Off-line and Def line.
I don’t have so much of a problem being 0-4 but the way the team played, the pass protection, opening up running lanes, putting inside pressure from the d-line, going 7 consecutive 3 and outs, penalties, failing to score in 1 yard line….. all of those disturbs me more than just the 4 losses.
Predictions as of 06.24.2009.
Larry Johnson will be a top 3 fantasy pick once again in 2010 (after a monster season in 2009.)
Dwayne Bowe will be a 2009 Pro Bowl selection.
Brandon Flowers will have at least 6 INTs in 2009 season.
Todd Haley will have a sideline shouting match caught on TV yelling at one of his asst. coaches.
by 58 was my friend on Oct 7, 2009 1:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it may be too early to say, but I've said it for weeks ...
way too many Kool Aid drinkers around here sometimes, even if it is all pretty and red
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Oct 6, 2009 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m almost as tired of the kool-aid line as I am the 22 guys off the street thing.
So what if some people choose to be more optimistic about the team than others? Does it make them any less of a fan?
If you want to criticize the team, that’s fine. There’s things to talk about. I just see no reason to call others names (like the kool-aid comment IMO) when doing so.
We’re all Chiefs fans. Some of us are more positive, at times maybe overly so, some of us are more negative (realistic or not, it comes off negative at times), but at the end of the day, we all want the same thing. The Chiefs to start winning again.
by bh13 on Oct 6, 2009 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
we all want the same thing
a winning lottery ticket?
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Oct 6, 2009 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
nobody expects the spanish inquistion...
and no one expects you to say anything relevent or helpful…take your negativity elsewhere…we can drink whatever the hell we want….ill drink to you leaving…
by The IT Guy on Oct 6, 2009 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
do I detect a note of negativity? why, I believe that I do, yes ...
you are more than welcome to drink whatever you’d like, whenever you’d like … but I don’t think I’ll be going anywhere soon, thanks anyway
but hey, have a drink on me!
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Oct 7, 2009 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait a minute...
I won’t speak for everyone, but I know I didn’t make any kind of statement saying that Hicks was full of shit. For all I know he could be telling the truth.
Regardless, Hicks staking his claim at Arrowhead saying he played here for 10 years and should be allowed to roam the halls and go to the locker room if he wants IS a complete load.
If Pioli and Haley are so arrogant, they’ll let this entire team ride their egos straight into the toilet, we’ll all see it over the next year or two. I’m not ready to claim that to be true or untrue. But that doesn’t change the poing that Hicks has no God-given right to march into Arrowhead Stadium and skip down the halls to the locker room like he’s Clark Hunt.
by jbj8609 on Oct 6, 2009 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
Agreed
Welcome to Chiefs REBUILD - Version 2.0 /The Clark Hunt Edition
Chiefs will be lucky to go 4-12 in 2010
by KansasCityShuffle on Oct 6, 2009 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i wish there was a way to make this post go to the top for all to read
Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day.
Harry S. Truman
by kcguy on Oct 6, 2009 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
rec it - I did.
won’t put it at the top, but it will change color, and make it stand out
Cassel vs. Thigpen in Camp should improve the play of both.
Linebackers: looking better
D-lineL slight improvement
O-line: WTF?!?
by Bleedingredandgold on Oct 6, 2009 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha...
I should be able to go into the locker room if I want.
No….you shouldn’t…You are a player they never knew and were marginal to the people who DID know you….You have no rights with the new regime, you are a civillian like us…
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by woodman212 on Oct 6, 2009 5:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree.... Sounds like Carl Peterson let former players roam the halls
And if Hicks actually has sources, there are only a handful of players left on the team that would even know who Eric Hicks is/was…..Waters, LJ, and maybe a couple others, so at the most maybe 5 out of 53 players are his sources?
2009-10 Predictions:
1. Chiefs will win ATLEAST 6 games, which is a big improvement over 6 wins in 2 seasons
2. Succop will bring stability to the K position for the first time in years
3. Chiefs D will atleast double the number of sacks form last season
4. Cassel will be a top 15 QB
5. Todd Haley won't make a poster and jump around holding it up welcoming the Chiefs players to summer camp, I mean TRAINING camp
by Chiefs_KC on Oct 6, 2009 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok, so let's say there's only ONE source, one guy in the locker room who tells Hicks that the atmosphere in there is "toxic"
just ONE, that’s all … ONE guy …
if that ONE guy is right, there’s trouble … that’s all there is to it
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Oct 6, 2009 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol....
just like Vince Wilfork being pissed about his contract in n.e.?
How are they doing…..
by The IT Guy on Oct 6, 2009 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let any former players roam the locker room?
I don’t think so. Sounds like sour grapes from Hicks. Former players roaming around the locker room has to be distracting to the program you’re trying to install.
what’s a former player going to be doing in there? Probably slapping hands and cracking jokes. it takes away from the serious issues trying to be instilled in the players.
i understand Hicks misses the game but he’ll just have to get over it. Go play with the fans in the parking lot.
by riverhorse on Oct 6, 2009 5:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He's just an average joe just like the rest of us.
If he can get in why can’t I? I’ll at least ask for some autographs…
by Ren on Oct 6, 2009 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I DO NOT
agree with his statement that he should be allowed to just roam the facility…how many ex players would be roaming? and how many of those ex players now produce this type of “inside” info that just causes problems?
So ridiculous, take your sour grapes elsewhere, there may be a problem, but this “the players wont take it much longer” concept is hilarious…what will they do? Stop trying? and change our losing streak? bleh
by SDChief on Oct 6, 2009 6:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
here's the thing
we are not the only team that has been or is this way. it may be a complete change around here but isn’t that what everyone wanted? i swear there are people on this site who think nothing like this happened until pioli/haley got their chances as head guys. it stands to reason that they are going to model themselves after what they’ve been around that was successful. if you don’t like it, when you are in charge, change it. otherwise, don’t worry about it. ex players being allowed at practice doesn’t help win any football games so i can’t understand why anyone would be upset about it. how many people here leave their job and 3 years later get to walk around like some celebrated hero? this is stupid
Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day.
Harry S. Truman
by kcguy on Oct 6, 2009 6:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If you think all he is doing is complaining about
being kept out of Arrowhead, you missed the more telling point.
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Oct 6, 2009 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and if you think that's all i am talking about you are missing mine
Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day.
Harry S. Truman
by kcguy on Oct 6, 2009 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
true
But claiming the new regime is creating a “toxic environment” with their arrogance because they won’t let a former player (and an overwhelmingly average and otherwise forgettable player, at that) is a rather telling point within itself. I mean, who’s really not guilty of arrogance at that point?
by jbj8609 on Oct 6, 2009 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Question
What are all these former players doing wandering around Arrowhead, anyways? Is there a reason they all need to be there? To be welcomed?
-cw
Watching the 2009-2010 Chiefs 12 hours ahead of you (in Taipei, Taiwan).
Twittering my every move. Don't act like you're not even slightly interested.
by webby37 on Oct 6, 2009 7:33 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
What about it?
Watching the 2009-2010 Chiefs 12 hours ahead of you (in Taipei, Taiwan).
Twittering my every move. Don't act like you're not even slightly interested.
by webby37 on Oct 7, 2009 8:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not going to trash Hicks
he was a very good player and one of the better UDFA’s we ever had. But I’m not going to assume that he really has the inside read on this team. I don’t remember hearing him talk about this team the last couple years, and he even said he hasn’t been a regular visitor. So he has a buddy or two who’s disgruntled. At this point, big deal. If he was saying they’re happy and content I’d be really pissed.
by Big Chief on Oct 6, 2009 8:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd like to know
any workforce of more than 9 or 10 employees where you aren’t going to find 1 or 2 malcontents? That is just human nature for a lot of people:
Hence the saying, “they’d bitch if they were hung with a new rope”!
Just saying……..
by ttownmikey on Oct 6, 2009 9:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
On a team
with 53 players & only 22 starters, you should have 31 whom aren’t happy or you’re not going to be very successful! If you don’t think you are as good as the guy in front of you chances are you aren’t going to try to improve yourself & prove to everyone else that you are better!
by ttownmikey on Oct 6, 2009 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Correct me if I'm wrong
But didn’t Hicks suck?
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by 306008 on Oct 6, 2009 10:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I think that's wrong
He’s not a HOFer, but he was a solid player. He collected 44.5 sacks with the Chiefs. He was a pretty decent player on a struggling D.
by Big Chief on Oct 6, 2009 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cuts
Carl/Herm let go of more talent & value in Jared Allen then the sum total of Pioli/Haley’s cuts. That statistic is taking into effect what we received from trading JA.
by DuctTapeMessiah on Oct 6, 2009 10:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Lurker here for a while, finally registered last week, and can't bite my tounge any longer!!!! (first post)
I’ve been a Chiefs fan since the mid seventies. (I was a Vikings fan before that (not real football anymore when it’s in a dome!) and yes, I rooted against the Chiefs when they won their only Superbowl.) I have watched the orginization go thru its up and downs. I am not particularly excited with the teams progress thus far but truely feel that most of the problem lies in the following:
A) The poor attitude shown towards the Chiefs organization the end of last year by then current “stars” put a “bad taste in players mouths” possibly causing Better quality free agents to skip the Chiefs for other teams.
B) The late arrival in all aspects the new management team (Pioli/Haley/assembly of the Coaching Staff)
C) The depleted level of talent as well as the extreme youth on the team when the new management arrived.
D) Additionally, all our “stars” wanted out. This was compounded by the ill timed comments and actions from the new managment staff.
E) The slow methodical way in which every aspect of the team/previous assistant coaches/scouting staffs etc. was analized including late major changes to the coaching staff (Not that this was bad, just added to the “being behind the 8 ball” problem with the team).
If you add this all up it makes complete sense (to me anyway) why we are not having any success on the field. I still belive that, using Haleys “you play the season in quarters” mentality, the Chiefs will continue to see improvement and that this in turn will diffuse the “Toxic” atmosphere in the locker room. By improvement I’m saying we could finish this year 5-11 (1-3, 2-2, 2-2 by quarters).
Quite honestly I believe, given the rest of this year to stabilize the orginization, this team as a whole (with a few changes) will be much improved next year at this time. In fact, we all may be very excited with the outlook for post-season play this time next year!
As far as Hicks being offended by the change related to previous players and their welcome at the Chiefs facility due to the new Patriot (military) style of management, all I can say is I retired from the Kansas Air National Guard in 2004 with 20+ years of service and you can bet your A$$ I can’t rome the halls at my old unit without an escort! (and some of my friends are managment there!)
If you don't recount the problems and issues of the past you are doomed to repeat them!!!!!!!
by Fan of the Red And Gold on Oct 6, 2009 11:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Welcome sir...
I am glad you started voicing your opinion. Keep it up.
Thanks for your service as well….
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by woodman212 on Oct 7, 2009 12:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
By improvement I’m saying we could finish this year 5-11 (1-3, 2-2, 2-2 by quarters).
Seriously??? I like to see you name the 5 possible teams KC will defeat to get to 5-11.
I live in the west coast, I hear the Jarmarcus Russell jokes daily – that he makes Ryan Leaf look like a pro bowler. And then what did this KC team do? Let J Russell take the team down 69 yards to score the winning TD in OUR HOUSE!!!!
In our own backyard…. DAMN!!!!!!!
Predictions as of 06.24.2009.
Larry Johnson will be a top 3 fantasy pick once again in 2010 (after a monster season in 2009.)
Dwayne Bowe will be a 2009 Pro Bowl selection.
Brandon Flowers will have at least 6 INTs in 2009 season.
Todd Haley will have a sideline shouting match caught on TV yelling at one of his asst. coaches.
by 58 was my friend on Oct 7, 2009 1:46 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Using his quarter breakdown
my picks would be the Redskins, Jaguars, Raiders (I don’t see them winning twice), Bills and Browns. I could see them doing even better than 5-11 with a few breaks.
The Cowboys are a streaky team, they could be beat (not counting on that one). The Chargers don’t appear quite as strong so they could maybe pick one up there (not really counting on that one either). I think there’s a real chance they take at least one against the Broncos, I don’t care that they’re 4-0. The Bengals may or may not be beatable.
Overly optimistic? Most likely but I don’t care. I choose to believe this team is better than some are giving them credit for. No they’re not playoff contenders, but I don’t think there’s any way they end up 2-14 again or worse.
by bh13 on Oct 7, 2009 3:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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