Why The Chiefs Being 0-4 Is A Good Thing (aka The "Squeeze" Post)
by Matt Conner on Oct 5, 2009 2:24 PM CDT
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PrintI'm glad we're 0-4. In fact, I wouldn't have it any other way, given the realities surrounding our team. And I think you might be inclined to agree with me.
It's fairly clear heading into the season who's going to be good in the NFL. And after the first few weeks, it's becomes quite easy to predict who's going to be contending and who isn't. If the team I root for isn't going to be contending in a season, I'll take a completely lost effort over any middling level of success any day.
Consider the examples of some teams who consistently dwell in the top 10 on draft day: the Raiders, the Browns, the Bengals, the Bills. Each of these teams has largely done nothing in the past several years. They linger with coaches for a few years. They draft guys they hope will put them over the top. They hope the few wins they get in a given season reveal some momentum (finally!) only to find they're just not that good and occasionally, in today's NFL, any given team can at least upset another.
But look at the win totals of the Buffalo Bills in this decade, counting backward: 7, 7, 7, 5, 9, 6, 8, 3, 8.
The Browns? Going back to 1995 (!), again counting backward: 4, 10, 4, 6, 4, 5, 9, 7, 3, 2, 5.
What about the Raiders? 5, 4, 2, 4, 5, 4 in the last six years (with endless years of futility ahead, it seems).
Perhaps the Bengals give us the best example: exactly ONE playoff appearance in the last EIGHTEEN NFL seasons.
More after the jump...
My point is this: if you're a middling team who flirts with 3 to 7 wins each season, the chances of retaining the same personnel year after year is much higher than if you tank. There's enough signs of life to convince a patient owner (which it seems we have in Clark Hunt) to "just give it one more year" if you tread just enough water. And in each of the above cases, the culture of losing surrounding each team becomes a dark cloud that's nearly impossible to shake.
BUT, if a tanks it - I mean, completely tanks it, something has to happen. A winless season in today's NFL is a warning signal to absolutely clean house. And even just one win becomes a ridiculously futile season. And when such an atrocious effort takes place, that's when the squeeze is put on.
That's what this year's Chiefs need more than anything, I'm convinced - a good squeeze. You find out just how good your coach can be if he still holds respect and presence with the team after an endless string of losses. That's when you find out who your locker room leaders are - the players that you can absolutely count on to be in it for the right reasons. That's when you see the players who are simply checking in and out and the ones who are in it to win it.
Take a quick look at the recent comments from Jeff Garcia concerning the Raiders. In his quotes, he identifies Oakland as a team full of players who don't care sprinkled along with a few who do. That's the worst. That's a team that hasn't felt the squeeze. That's a team content with picking in the top 10 in the draft each year. And the Raiders aren't the only ones guilty of that.
For years, the Lions were the laughingstock of the NFL, but somehow GM Matt Millen retained his job season after season. It wasn't until the floor completely caved in with one of the worst seasons in NFL history that everything was blown up and they started all over. And now, despite only one win, there are actual signs of life in the Motor City.
So I say it's better if the Chiefs go into the bye week without a single win. Then we will see a squeezed Head Coach in Todd Haley and find out if he has the capacity to truly lead when the going gets tough with a much easier second half schedule. If the Chiefs can eke out a few wins at that point, then we'll realize that brighter days are truly ahead. And if not, then it will be much easier to pull the trigger than pretend that moral victories might someday turn into true victories.
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Given the schedule plus the fact that we handed the Raiders their only win
I can only hope the worst is behind us
I think we should suck it u pthis year now too...what diff does it make anyway..
we can’t make the playoffs so we can’t win the bowl. We couldn’t win a PAL football superbowl right now for God sakes. We might as well get a high draft pick. Next year is uncapped so we got the same chances as every other team.
Um
Wasn’t the 2008 season “The Squeeze” for the Kansas City Chiefs? I think we need as many wins as we can get this year, just to restore some confidence in the players (and the fan base)
Loser talk
"What?!?! I aint no Obama for the weed!"
-Turk McBride
by HIV 2 Elway on Oct 5, 2009 2:37 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
see, I thought 2007 was the squeeze year ...
what I’m worried about here is that Pioli/Haley are gonna throw out the baby with the bathwater …
if there were no leaders/players who care this team would have lost EVERY GAME by 50 points last year, instead they regrouped after the break and improved … didn’t win (once but who’s counting) but they played SO much better … there were DEFINITE signs of improvement (I thought) the last 8 games last year … but here we are scrapping all of that and then some
there’s only so much blood you can squeeze from a rock
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
Only improvement in the last half of the year
was that we developed an average (at best) passing game. Running the ball was a joke. Defense couldn’t stop anyone, even one dimensional teams. Special teams sucked. Colquitt was certainly our best performer through the year. It was fun to see the Arrowspread sometimes, but our D didn’t change one bit for two years.
2008 was the squeeze year. It was no real improvement over 2007. This year, it’s still too early to tell. I wish it looked better. Not winning that Raider game still hurts.
"... an average (at best) passing game. Running the ball was a joke. Defense couldn’t stop anyone, even one dimensional teams. Special teams sucked. Colquitt was certainly our best performer ..."
yeah, whereas NOW …
We have an average (at best) passing game. Running the ball os a joke. Defense can’t stop anyone, even one dimensional teams. Special teams suck. Colquitt is certainly our best performer …
the more things change, the more they stay the same
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
Special teams don't suck
and our defense is showing improvement against the run. Our running game, while below average, isn’t a joke. Colquitt isn’t playing as well as Succop.
Less aware fans do miss these things.
Sure
it was the squeeze year. And in 2008, nothing got better. so what happened? Clark cleaned house. So now this year is basically a new squeeze for Haley.
Clark cleaned house once. hes not going to do it again just because of 1 bad season on Pioli/Haleys belt. Otherwise you’d basically be asking for a new GM and HC every year that you lose.
Mama's got a squeeze box
Daddy never sleeps at night
The Chiefs are So Bad
I’ve done the unthinkable and been trying to find a European Soccer club to root for…I dont even understand soccer.
That’s how desperate I am to root for something positive. Chiefs and Royals are my two teams since I was a boy and they have been so bad for so long I just dont like waking up feeling this way.
So instead of jumping ship on the teams I’m just going to find a new sport. A guy here at work wants me to join him in rooting for the Arsenal.
Fuck Euro trash soccer, get on that Chivas bandwagon.
"What?!?! I aint no Obama for the weed!"
-Turk McBride
who wants to root for a team whos owner refuses to employ anything but Mexican players, seems bullshit to me, what kinda strategy is that
by Wildcat2180 on Oct 5, 2009 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Burnley
Just got promoted to the Premiership. Currently unbeaten at home one of those wins against Man Utd (cough though they are winless away). The population of the town can fit inside Old Trafford.
Blame my wife!
Waiting until August 2010
here here!
I can’t fathom rooting for another NFL or MLB team because I have loyalty to my hometown teams (Chiefs Royals) so I was forced to branch out and adopt another sport (soccer) where I could choose the team I root for (I do have mild loyalty to the Wizards). Sort of a fan free agent if you will. Arsenal is a great choice, they develop young players, have a loyal fan base and don’t pull a Yankee and simply start buying up all the talent… a class club all the way
I say give Formula One a try!
The best drivers in the world, best and most pretigious tracks in some of the most exotic locations (Brazil, Malaysia, Singapore, Monaco) on the planet. Racing on the most advanced machines this side of the space shuttle! Great rivalries between teams and drivers. Its one of the only forms of motoracing that I consider a sport (F1, World Rally, MotoGP). The races are on at crazy hours (3,4 in the am) but if you like to watch the best in the WORLD compete, you just can’t go wrong.
Gotta disagree with you there Chief
I want the Chiefs to win as much as possible.. Not sure we could handle another top 5 salary too..
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
How's that?
How can we not handle another top salary? We have more room than almost every other team in the NFL regarding the salary cap.
for the future
Contracts get bigger every year.. Dorsey may have to go when his contract is up if were handling his, Jackson, and some other guy.. But I guess that’s likely to happen either way
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
well
I think we just need 1 win and it will all get better after that. we just need to learn to win see what it feels like, see just how much better it feels to win than to lose then everything should start coming to fruition…I hope
by BiiG_C on Oct 5, 2009 2:58 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Concur
I said that in another post. Getting that first win under our belt will light a fire under their asses. It will feel so good to get that first win that their confidence will be on high. They won’t want to go back to losing and with the exception of the Steelers, that one win could work miracles for the remainder of our schedule…
Put this in your pipe and smoke it:
1. Chiefs will be at least 8-8 and vie for division champs
2. DJ will break out and finally have his year
3. LJ returns to form
4. DBowe drops will reduce
by kcchiefsfan72 on Oct 5, 2009 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions
qualify
I guess I should qualify my position a bit. This is all written from the perspective that I just don’t believe Todd Haley is a good NFL head coach – at least at this early stage. I think he’s in over his head and I believe we’re headed toward at least a couple seasons of seeing how he plays out before any drastic moves are made.
Then of course, I see guys like Mike Shanahan, Bill Cowher, Mike Holmgren and the like all available and hate to see us drag our feet on making a move.
I agree. I think haley was a poor hire.
And I have been behind him until the last couple weeks. As far as scrapping everything, I thought we were supposed to be done scrapping everything. This was supposed to be a year that we build off the talent that was here and start seeing some improvement.
Instead, the whole team looks terrible in every phase of the game. Other than showing some toughness, there is absolutely nothing good to say about the team…It is really, really bad. The toughness aspect is bound to happen when you get your ass handed to you week in and week out.
Shanny, Cowher, and Holmgren are looking pretty damn good right now if you ask me.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Oct 5, 2009 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions
and the Chiefs are looking pretty terrible to all three
we’re a mess few quality ESTABLISHED coaches would want to touch. I can’t see any of them wanting to come here and be a part of this
I don't want no Yo-Yos
Those coaches
have already established a legacy. To fail here wouldn’t reflect poorly on them. Vermeil is a perfect example.
too bad none of them want to coach
either way continuity is going to be the effort with this new regime.. I could see an OC hired next year, maybe we bring in Crennel at DC and maybe a new RB coach… But other than that the top load of this coaching staff should stay in tact
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
The big mystery....
…is still how Krumrie kept his job after last year. Still amazes me.
by VermeilLikesToCry on Oct 5, 2009 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions
I was very disappointed when Krumrie kept his job
I couldn’t believe it after forcing 10 freakin sacks. I think he was retained cause he yells A LOT.
he's better than you think
It’s the same thing with Gunther Cunningham. Because Herm forced a defense that neither of them knew they were coaching the wrong way.. It’s like asking a cat to teach a puppy how to be a dog..
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
I realize he has a great reputation (or had?)...
…but after setting an all time record in pass-rush futility, while also being horrible against the run, you’d think the axe would have to fall.
We did get a very late start on coach hirings this year. I expect a fair amount of turnover this offseason, especially if we continue to struggle so mightily.
by VermeilLikesToCry on Oct 5, 2009 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed...
I expect Pioli and Haley to sit down and go after the coaches they really want as opposed to getting the coaches that were available at that late stage in the game.
that and we missed FA this offseason for the most part.
Pioli was hired late and then he had to fire Herm and hire Haley and then comb through what they had first on the roster. By the time we got active the big name (notably Oline FAs) were gone. Still I want to see improvement and high morale by the end of the year or else we could be in worse shape than we are now..
I don't want no Yo-Yos
by AK_47 on Oct 5, 2009 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hard to "build on existing talent" when you don't have any
The only high talent brought in by the Herm/Carl regime was maybe Flowers and maybe Bowe. All the rest have only been role players.
The loss of Tony G. really set this offense back from what it could have been this year. No reliable dump when under the pressure of our poor O-Line. Of course, if Tony really might have retired after this year, then I guess it’s better to move on now than later.
by VermeilLikesToCry on Oct 5, 2009 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Cowher
has ties to KC too. Cowher 2010?
Honestly I think whoever the HC is..they deserve more than just 1 season but if we dont see any improvement along the day, then Clark better go get Cowher. Maybe even bring Crennel as the D coordinator. Shit if we’re going to dream, why not get Charlie Weiss back in the NFL n make him our O coordinator?
On Haley a poor hire
Alot of people thought haley was a good hire because what he did in Arizona. Sorry guys he didn’t do that in one year. Everyone thought Josh McDaniel was dead meat because he traded culter. I am going to give it one more year till I pass my judgement. Don’t git me wrong I love the chiefs as much as the next guy. Give it time. I know Herm have two years but that is not Haley’s fault. Thank Carl Peterson no Scott Pioli.
I agree
I’ll hold off on judging whether or not Haley is a good coach until next year. He inherited a mess that was terrible everywhere and won 6 games in 2 years. The proof is in the pudding.. look at the guys who were cut and how many actually went to NFL rosters. That’s how bad the talent is here and I’m sure more will be purged after this season.
McDaniel inherited an 8 win team – regardless of how they finished – they are an 8 win team so he’s a little bit ahead of the game. I think Cutler is overrated. Yes he has a good arm but he’s an awful decision maker and most of his stats came because the Denver D played poorly last year.
"most of his stats came because the Denver D played poorly last year."
Huh? I’m sorry but that is not an excuse or even an argument……Seriously?
by CALIFAN1986 on Oct 5, 2009 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions
HaleFUCKINGluya
Or how ever you spell that. Just because someone has a damn good arm does not make them a good quarterback. COUGH (BRODIE CROYLE). Fuck me I am so tired of hearing that garbage about Brokie being better than Cassel.
by readANDgold58 on Oct 5, 2009 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Someone in an earlier post commented that Haley looks lost out there.
But I think I would look lost out there too if I spent an entire week with this team breaking down video, going through practices, studying more film to get ready for the next game only to have my team come out and look totally unprepared. I’d be wondering if all that preparation was for nothing. If we could give Herm more than 1 year then we should give Haley the same. So many coaches and former coworkers of Pioli and Hali have said they are doing it the right way. And these are people from successful teams. We just have to be patient.
This is the NFL...If Haley looks lost then we hired the wrong person
no excuses.
by CALIFAN1986 on Oct 5, 2009 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think he looks lost
In fact he always looks involved in the game. Remember Herms famous ‘look up at the scoreboard in disbelief’ look? Now that’s truly the look of a coach who doesn’t know what he’s doing.
I agree...
Haley seems very involved and animated and remember he’s still a rookie coach and learning on the job.
Herm was a coach for like 8 years and had the same, emotionless, “I don’t know what the F I’m doing” look on his face in his last year.
we'll see
More questions than answers is how it’s going to go with the Chiefs. November might be the first chance to see if there is any real inertia with Haley’s approach. Haley’s frequent sideline outbursts seem to add to the questions, but it’s probably unfair to judge him the entire first year unless there is no progress. Assuming he’s not in denial, he should be able to get to a place where he can make himself happier and more useful without letting off on the intensity. I say that because tantrums aren’t typically a good way of solving team problems, but maybe he’s that one-in-a-hundred who makes that style work. We’ll see.
not really ... first two years, actually, it was Carl's show, Carl's over-the-hill-gang ...
in fact, even after Herm’s second year and he wanted to blow up the team, Carl continued to insist on more older vets instead of going with more and more rookies and draft choices – Herm didn’t REALLY get to truly do what he wanted, in terms of young players, till before last year
so he had one and MAYBE two years at most …
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
I'm sorry but I truly don't believe he's the coach we want
I like his attitude..I like his demeanor..
I do not like the way he has built the coaching staff, his play calling has been attrocious..
I’m very surprised Pioli went out and got him..And allowed a failed D-coordinator to become our new D-Coordinator..
I’m quite baffled…
by CALIFAN1986 on Oct 5, 2009 3:49 PM CDT reply actions
He had to pick from the assistant coach leftovers.
I agree that we need to upgrade the assistants some next season, but since most other teams had their staffs in place already our only choices were take a reject coordinator or promote someone from another staff who wasn’t a coordinator yet. Since we have a rookie head coach I think they made the right choice in going with a retread that has experience. If someone better is available next year I hope they are smart enough to upgrade.
As far as Haley goes (I posted this earlier on another thread), I think he’s thinking too much. Worring about what a head coach “should do” or “needs to do”. I don’t think he should stop yelling at guys just because he “thinks” the head coach should “keep his composure”. If a guy does something stupid, get on him, fix the problem. Also, I know that good teams run the ball, but our passing game sucks right now. He should be in there all damn day coming up with protection packages and passing routes to get this thing working. Having worked as a WR coach and o coordinator for a pass happy team, I’ve got to believe he knows how to improve our air attack (even with lesser players). I think (its just my opinion) he’s too worried about showing he can handle all these responsibilities without neglecting anything. If he has to focus on one area at a time to get it fixed, then do it. That’s better to me then doing a half ass job of fixing everything at the same time.
It's a good thing Pioli and Haley aren't running AP or a lot of you guys would of been traded or cut for cast offs from the Pats Pulpit.
You think the Whitlock's and Jack Harry's in KC are getting to him?
That or maybe he’s spreading himself too thin because he doesn’t have the coaching staff to really help him?
Agreed.
Coaches are “what was left”. Remember, they really tried to get Crennel as D coordinator and even offered to keep the position open until he recovered from surgery. Pendergast was the last man standing. My guess is that Crennel has already been given the job for next year if he wants it.
I remember Dawson to Taylor, Kenney to Carson, and Blackledge catching the snap in his facemask. Seen it all...
I really hope so.
And I hope he’s still a good D-coordinator. I also hope that Haley can find an O-coordinator who he feels he can trust that way he can focus on being a head coach. I don’t think we made a bad hire. I just think we hired a guy and he got the unfortunate situation of being thrown into the lion’s den.
He looks like a guy who enjoys him some BBQ
I think he’ll be in KC next year…
And Haley will give OC duties to Charlie Weis after he gets fired from ND.
It’ll be like old times for the Foxborough Gang…
maybe Haley needs to do something drastic, like ... oh, I dunno ...
… hire an OC?
oh, wait …
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
Crazy talk, IMO
This is already the second straight year of drastic overhaul so I don’t see how anyone could hope there is a third. That just fosters the losing atmosphere that you pointed out exists in some teams. We should be fighting, scratching, screaming, yelling, sweating, cussing, brainstorming, and cheating to get every single win we can. It takes a big truck load of wins to undo the years of sucking we’ve put up with. The longer it takes for those first wins to come, the longer we have to wait for the promised land. Do you honestly believe that if we somehow went 7-9 this year (ha!) that Pioli and Haley would go “you know what, let’s not make any moves this year and just see if we can win a Super Bowl by upping our effort.” Come on now, Pioli comes from NE where they cut guys like Milloy and Law and trade for guys like Moss. They didn’t sit around and say we’re good enough as is even after winning Super Bowls, so why would they sit around and do nothing after a .500 season?
It's a good thing Pioli and Haley aren't running AP or a lot of you guys would of been traded or cut for cast offs from the Pats Pulpit.
what they're really doing is akin to taking a deck of cards and tossing it in the air ...
then watching it land … 52 pick up
only in this case, it’s 53 (counting practice squad) and oh yeah, lets go ahead and pick a card, any card, and replace it with a Joker … and another and another and another, why not, all cards are rectangular and maybe we’ll get into a game where Jokers are wild
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
I cant believe
After seeing Oakland play the last couple of weeks, I still cant believe we lost to them. Eeekgads are we that bad!
“And even just one win becomes a ridiculously futile season. And when such an atrocious effort takes place, that’s when the squeeze is put on.”
I guess 2 wins wasn’t futile? I believe Clark Hunt decided it was and let the ax begin it’s fall. I don’t think there is any disillusion going on in Pioli’s office. From the moves he made as recent as last week, he knows the talent level sucks. The upgrades will continue and we will see KC constantly moving players in and out. While I don’t think being winless at the break is avoidable at this point, it isn’t necessary to tell anyone at Arrowhead that major changes are needed.
I remember Dawson to Taylor, Kenney to Carson, and Blackledge catching the snap in his facemask. Seen it all...
I'm sorry but I completely disagree with you.
I want to start winning now. Its a new regime in their first year so its not like their under a bunch of pressure. I don’t think that makes any sense at all. Also, I sure hope we’re improved in the second half of the season cause the schedule is much more favorable. I know some fans had lofty expectations but should have been more realistic. Six wins should have been and should still be the goal for this football team. The Chiefs get their first win this weekend against Dallas. I thought it would be our second before the Oakland debacle, but it will be our first.
Would I rather be 4-0?
Would I rather be 3-1 or 2-2, trailing only the Orton-Broncos who are not as good as their record shows?
Would I rather be 1-3 and at least show signs of improvement?
Of course. To hear any Chiefs fan say it’s a good thing that we are 0-4 is unbelievable to me. This franchise needs to win games. Simple as that. Top draft picks are for losers.
Pretty sure you missed the point
You’re right, top draft picks are for losers, but what do you think 4-5 wins gets you? A top-10 draft pick.
Four or five wins can keep an organization in denial about how bad they suck “Oh, we would have had 4 more wins and backed into the playoffs if just a few breaks would have gone our way”. And they continue to moderately suck for the next 20 years because they won’t change how they do things
0-2 wins makes the absolute failure of the organization from top to bottom clear, and that’s when change happens.
I think Matt’s point is that being good does not mean sucking less, it means actually being good, and if more destruction has to happen so we can get to ‘good’ then bring it on.
The Kansas City Chief's 2009 record will be 5-11.
I think we need to remember
that we’re at rock bottom. Herm inherited a decent team and ran it to the ground (9-7, 4-12, 2-14). We need to give Haley time to bring it back up. If we dont improve every year from here on out, then you can start to question Haley. Barring major injuries, this team should do nothing but improve from last year. to this year, and the next.
HC, OC, DC
Give me Jimmy Johnson, Norv Turner, and Dave Wanndstedt or however you spell it.
This Post...
is absurd. Who in their right mind thinks that going 0-4 is a good thing because it puts the squeeze on Todd Haley? Are you serious? This guy is four games in to coaching one of the worst collections of talent in professional sports, and yet, he’s not a very good coach? Here’s the deal, his defensive coordinator sucks, and I’ll be shocked if Romeo Crennel isn’t the guy next year. His horrible offense speaks for itself, and the defensive personnel is a mess. Vince Lombardi couldn’t do anything with this group. Listen, the squeeze started for Todd Haley as soon as he accepted this position, and I think by watching him through four games, he has matured as a coach and is learning as he goes, no doubt about it. But the thing about all those teams that are mentioned in this post is the leadership at the top of the Bills, Bengals, Browns and Raiders are all awful, and that’s why those teams are consistently drafting in the top ten. Guess what, the 49ers drafted in the top ten, have made some smart picks, and now they’re a viable threat to win the NFC West. The Colts, perennial door mats for 2-3 years in a row, drafted a great quarterback, grabbed a great WR and have been shrewd about making moves ever since. this is more about Pioli than Haley right now and in the immediate future. Haley is going to be a good coach, I really believe that, but this is going to take time, but there need to be wins along the way. 0-4 is unacceptable, and I don’t care how AP or any Chiefs fan tries to rationalize it – call me Mike Singletary, I want wins.
www.coachesaid.com/mo
MVP's of the team so far...
Has to be a coin toss between Colquit and Succop, with the edge going to Colquit(due to shear number of kicks). Sadly it seems Mr. Irrelevant has been one of the most successful drafts for awhile, the first impact player in their first year. Sad days ahead Chiefs fans.
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