Is It Time to Bench Cassel?
by bonesjackson on Oct 5, 2009 6:10 AM CDT
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Is It Time to Bench Cassel?
Normally I am the most optimistic Chief fans there is. I am finding a lot of silver linings in the Chiefs season. That isn’t what this is about. This is about the primary failure of the Chiefs right now. Stats aside, just watching the games I felt that Croyle looks a lot more comfortable than Cassel. Brodie Croyle looks like a starting QB with his decision making, confidence, and pocket presence. Brodie looks like a young QB you would want to give $60 million to. Cassel on the other hand, looks unconfident, is making bad decisions, and completely lacks pocket presence. He looks all of a 2nd string QB. I believe that the Chiefs have a better chance to win right now with Croyle.
Decision making
Cassel has made poor decisions with who to throw the ball to from missing open receivers to poor clock management in hurry up situations. Croyle in his start seemed to make the right decision with the ball. I don’t have tape of the game but I remember being impressed with Croyle.
Confidence
Cassel appears to lack confidence in himself at all. Hard to believe that someone who a 3-time NFL executive of the year has enough confidence in to trade a 2nd round pick and pay $60 million to would have so much self doubt but watching the game, the guy looks like a backup QB trying to lead the guys. If you doubt yourself, the people you are trying to lead will doubt you.
Pocket Presence
Cassel imagines pressure that doesn’t exist and doesn’t feel the pressure that is there. I honestly cant think of a single Chiefs QB I have seen with as poor of pocket awareness as Matt Cassel has shown this far.
Making the throws
That doesn’t even get into how bad his passes look. He underthrows guys deep in the endzone and behind the receiver on crossing routes. Those passes get picked more often than caught. When throwing deep to the endzone, the pass needs to be thrown to the back corner of the endzone. You cannot throw passes that bounce off a LBs head that was beat by 5 yards. A safety picks that ball off a majority of the time. Matt isn’t in Jamarcus territory yet on terrible throws but he is a distant 2nd place.
Stats
Keep in mind that Croyle has played against the Ravens and Cassel has played against the Raiders, Eagles, and Giants. So we know everyone loves stats so let’s compare….
QB Rating
Cassel 82.5
Croyle 116.1
Completion %
Cassel 59.6%
Croyle 66.7%
Yards per attempt
Cassel 5.14
Croyle 7.375
Is it time? It depends on what you are trying to do. If I were coach, I wouldn’t do it yet. But if I were a coach that claimed every job is on the line every day I might prove it in a way that cutting 2 or 3 special teamers every week and benching my best defensive player (who I inherited) wouldn’t do and that is bench the $60 million man. Maybe 22 guys off the street can win 2 games, but the Chiefs will not win a game unless the QB’s level of play improves. Whoever that QB might be. Because, the level of play from that position is not getting it done.
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no no no no no.
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by Patrick Allen on Oct 5, 2009 6:28 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What is all the other nos for?
I understand one for the question but dont know what the other 5 are for. Do you disagree that Cassel is playing terribly?
Predictions for 2009:
LJ runs for 1800 yards
Bowe in the pro bowl
Chiefs D finishes in the top 10 in points allowed
Chiefs 10-6
by bonesjackson on Oct 5, 2009 6:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes.
I disagree that Cassel is playing terribly.
To say Cassel is playing terrible is like saying that a paraplegic isn’t a good dancer. It’s absurd.
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by Patrick Allen on Oct 5, 2009 7:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh, so a paraplegic *IS* a good dancer?
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Oct 5, 2009 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
a paraplegic is crippled and thus is not responsible for his lack of dancing ability.
Just like Cassel is crippled by the his teamates lack of ability to protect him in the pocket.
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by Patrick Allen on Oct 5, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why wasnt that true
for Thigpen? Huard? Croyle?
And did Croyle not play with the same – no, a less talented team than the team Cassel is playing with against Baltimore? Croyle lacked the talent added since Week 1 and still outperformed Cassel against a better defense.
Cassel deserves to keep the spot for a while ahead of Croyle simply because of what has happened in the past, but Croyle has absolutely, undoubtedly outperformed Cassel this year.
he was injured. injured bad.
by troy145 on Oct 6, 2009 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was true.
Still is true. Croyle has looked better. Why are Chiefs fans so afraid to admit this? It’s not like it’s THEIR $63 million that was spent unnecessarily.
by rco3 on Oct 6, 2009 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not sure Croyles is better, but then too ... doubtful he could be worse at this point
and honestly, I’d love to see the kid get a chance … on top of which, Haley has said on multiple occasions that no spot is “safe” and that every spot is open for competition … he should live up to his word
Cassel’s had the “first quarter” of the season, he hasn’t done much with it, toss Croyle out and see what happens … what, we LOSE?
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by upamtn on Oct 6, 2009 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is nothing absurd about it
He is playing terrible. In every way shape and form.
Predictions for 2009:
LJ runs for 1800 yards
Bowe in the pro bowl
Chiefs D finishes in the top 10 in points allowed
Chiefs 10-6
by bonesjackson on Oct 5, 2009 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man this is old...
No you dont bench him.
by tomahawk44 on Oct 5, 2009 7:39 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The TEAM sucks
Cassel has shown what he can do with competent teammates and thus we know that Cassel does NOT suck…thank you.
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by woodman212 on Oct 5, 2009 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK but you would say I'm too short.
I am being patiant now will let coach make most decisions without combating him as Haley is the coach I want. I still think Croyle is better.
by kcchiefstd on Oct 6, 2009 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
Next topic
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.
by THE_TRUTH on Oct 5, 2009 7:46 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
How about the fact
that Cassel has been under tons of pressure and hasn’t thrown anything but TD’s the last two weeks.
Lets not forget that Brodie has never won an Nfl game and has never proven that he can stay healthy.
by GHOST OF DT on Oct 5, 2009 7:52 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I am starting to feel like a broken record
but if Cassel has only 1.5 seconds to throw how is he supposed to hit anyone on a deep route? How are the receivers even supposed to run their routes and get open in that amount of time?
You want to know why Haley is calling a bunch of screen passes and slants? Because the line can’t protect the QN long enough to do anything else. We have to have some sort of passing game seein as our run blocking is below average as well.
As for the bad throws you have seen Cassel make here and there…nearly every time the guy drops back he has someone in his face. Nearly every single time. On the rare occasion he actually does get a little bit of time his recievers have to be open. Maybe both of these things happen and Cassel’s pass is a little off the mark. Hey, it happens to every QB. Usually, however, on the next play or two, the zero in on the recievers and get into a groove. In Cassel’s case he might not get another situation where he has time and his recievers are open for another quarter!
Why? Because the lien is terrible and he is usually facing 3rd and long.
So please excuse the guy for not being Joe Montana because you know what would happen to Joe Montana if he was in his prime and he was the QB of the Chiefs right now? He’d be getting his ass sacked about 5 times a game like Cassel. He’d be handing off the ball to Larry never knowing if he is going to get 4 yards or be hit for a 4 yard loss. He would not perform.
How about this. Go stand in the middle of the highway and try to build a freaking house of cards and see how well you do.
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by Patrick Allen on Oct 5, 2009 8:22 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Nice of you to get all personal on me
Yes the line is terrible. The problem is as I mentioned if you bothered to read more than the headline is that Cassel completely lacks awarness of what is going on in the pocket. He doesnt feel when there is pressure and feels pressure when it doesnt exist. Also if you read what I wrote you would see that I said if I were coach I wouldnt bench him. However we have a coach that has benched DJ for no apparent reason for the first 4 games of the season..
Predictions for 2009:
LJ runs for 1800 yards
Bowe in the pro bowl
Chiefs D finishes in the top 10 in points allowed
Chiefs 10-6
by bonesjackson on Oct 5, 2009 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where did I "get all personal on you?"
Re refuted your argument with evidence and then used trying to build a house of cards in the middle of a highway as an example of the impossible task any QB would have playing behind our offensiveline.
I have watched all the games a number of times. Cassel has above average pocket awaremess. He has extended drives by getting out of the quckly collapsing pocket and running for his life or getting rid of the ball.
Just because every once in a while he has some time doesn’t mean his receivers are open on that particular play. More than likely, the reason he has a little time is because the team isn’t blitzing for once and all the receivers are covered. Still, in many of these cases, the offensive line gets beat.
The line is the foundation of any offense. Given the serious amount of pressure Matt Cassel is under on MOST plays, not just some plays and the lack of talent at WR, it is impossible to believe that he, or anyone else for that matter, has a realistic chance of doing well behind center.
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by Patrick Allen on Oct 5, 2009 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re refuted your argument with evidence and then used trying to build a house of cards in the middle of a highway as an example of the impossible task any QB would have playing behind our offensiveline.
You refuted nothing. If you bothered to read what I wrote you would see that I said if I were coach I wouldn’t bench him. Read more than the headline next time!
He has extended drives by getting out of the quckly collapsing pocket and running for his life or getting rid of the ball.
Yes he has. Thank god he can move around a little bit. That is not pocket awareness, that is mobility. Pocket awareness is when there is pressure on the edges and you take a step into the pocket. Pocket awareness is when you know you have time and make a good throw with good tech.
Just because every once in a while he has some time doesn’t mean his receivers are open on that particular play.
You mean like when Engram was open deep in the endzone 5 yards passed the guy defending him and Cassel put it on the defender’s helmet? Or maybe when he over threw Bradley in the endzone.
Predictions for 2009:
LJ runs for 1800 yards
Bowe in the pro bowl
Chiefs D finishes in the top 10 in points allowed
Chiefs 10-6
by bonesjackson on Oct 5, 2009 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
PA didn't get personal, bones
he explained his views and opinions
personally I’m in the middle, I understand there’s been little protection for Cassel, but at the same time a lot of his throws HAVE been off the mark and/or hurried when maybe they didn’t to be …
and considering how much the guy is making, yeah … I expect more/better … and if every position is, in theory, open for competition, why NOT sit him down for a coupla of weeks and see what Croyle can do? after all, the WORST that happens is … ummm … we lose games?
been there, done that already … and who knows, maybe Croyle has a lightbulb go off and bam, it’s a good thing
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by upamtn on Oct 5, 2009 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry but where I come from, when you tell someone to go play in the highway it is the same as telling them to F*ck off
Predictions for 2009:
LJ runs for 1800 yards
Bowe in the pro bowl
Chiefs D finishes in the top 10 in points allowed
Chiefs 10-6
by bonesjackson on Oct 5, 2009 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he used it as an example, period
and it was pretty good … he didn’t tell you to go play in the highway, per se …
it was an analogy, that’s all
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Oct 5, 2009 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
His analogy
sucks. both of them. From paraplegic dancers to going to play in the highway. I saw people get banned from the site for less yesterday.
Predictions for 2009:
LJ runs for 1800 yards
Bowe in the pro bowl
Chiefs D finishes in the top 10 in points allowed
Chiefs 10-6
by bonesjackson on Oct 5, 2009 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, they shouldn't have been
… that said, you need to lighten up a bit (I think) …
I’ve been about as anti-Haley (and Pioli) as anyone on the site, but I’ve managed to co-exist with Haley supporters … nature of the beast … you make your point(s) and move on
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Oct 5, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am light
Are you kidding me? I barely addressed it in my reply.
Predictions for 2009:
LJ runs for 1800 yards
Bowe in the pro bowl
Chiefs D finishes in the top 10 in points allowed
Chiefs 10-6
by bonesjackson on Oct 5, 2009 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
not even close
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Oct 5, 2009 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Relax Bones
I read your entire post a couple of times and I still disagree with you. Upamtn is right. I did not personally attack you and I assure you Upamtn and I do not always see eye to eye so if he agrees with me on thsi I know I am not crazy.
What I refuted was that Cassel’s numbers are not reflective of his ability. Like for instance, if he was playing against the Giants with a team of 12 year olds. Things would not go so well and it would not be Cassel’s fault.
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by Patrick Allen on Oct 5, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dont care that you disagree
Just kinda feel sad for you since you can’t disagree without calling the Chiefs 12 year olds or without comparing
Cassel to a paraplegic. Was hoping for some disscussion but I see that aint happening around here without people
getting their point across with lame analogies or insults.
Predictions for 2009:
LJ runs for 1800 yards
Bowe in the pro bowl
Chiefs D finishes in the top 10 in points allowed
Chiefs 10-6
by bonesjackson on Oct 5, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't even know how to respond to this
I don’t think I really need to defend the use of analogies in discussion. I don’t think you would understand if I did. Also, I never insulted you in anyway, shape or form.
Although you have been doing a pretty good job of insulting yourself in this thread. <— This is sort of an insult, just so you are aware.
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by Patrick Allen on Oct 5, 2009 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I never said you weren't crazy
just, you know … for the record
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by upamtn on Oct 5, 2009 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually I am crazy
using all those tricky analogies.
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by Patrick Allen on Oct 5, 2009 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
in a word ... DAMN!
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Oct 5, 2009 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
PA
possibly the most optimistic person on AP and constantly defending players I Love it he does not agree with me very often it is OK. He loves the Chiefs that is what matters HERE.
by kcchiefstd on Oct 6, 2009 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look at the highlights from this weak alone in the NFL
Tell me how many TDs got thrown while a FREE blitzer was running at the QB this week. Most of them were including one of Eli Mannings against us.
Tom Brady had TWO with a blitzer directly in his FACE.
Its the QBs job to make good throws no matter what.
We were running QUICK developing pass routes and Cassel still was not getting the ball out.
EXAMPLE of horrible play by Cassel He lined up in shotgun several times his first move was to take two steps backwards the worst move a QB can make it takes the angle away from your OT and gives the DEs a better chance to hit the QB second while he was moving backwards he was NOT looking downfield, it does not get much worse than that.
Another example of HORRIBLE play by Cassel I can think of only one pass that was on time that was the fourth down pass to Engram, EVERY other pass was late comming out of his hand and behind his WR including the EASY TD to Engram that bounced off the Defenders helmet and went incomplete.
I HAVE SEEN ENOUGH and for those that want to say what about Trent Green. Green never looked HALF as bad as Cassel is playing even with all the INTs Trent threw his first year.
QB play is our WEAKEST link right now and I do think BRODIE can fix that.
by kcchiefstd on Oct 5, 2009 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, bench him
Then when Croyle gets destroyed in the first half of his start put Cassel back in & we never need to discuss this again (for the rest of this season anyway).
On a somewhat related topic, everyone is gushing over how great Mark Sanchez has been. He’s thrown at least two Pick-Six’s this season, I believe he fumbled in the end zone yesterday, and he’s thrown more INTs than TDs…and that’s all behind a great OL. Can you imagine how bad he’d look in KC?
by jmcgoblue on Oct 5, 2009 8:25 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That may be the solution.
I am so tired of this topic. The Ravens D hasn’t exactly been vintage this season. They have been giving up points all season. Croyle qould never be able to withstand the pressure without being killed. Sanchez will even out. Special thanks to the Saints D for my fantasy football win this weekend!
Jamie freakin Wright, nuff said.
by Gantz9 on Oct 5, 2009 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
people said that all preseason and vs Baltimore
but here we are.
he was injured. injured bad.
by troy145 on Oct 6, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope, doesn't solve anything.
Cassel isn’t the reason this team is 0-4. The lack of pash rush, the LB’s in general, the #2 DB, the WR’s in general, Jamal Charles, and the middle of the o-line are the reasons this team is 0-4.
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by HIV 2 Elway on Oct 5, 2009 9:14 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
A QB that makes bad decisions
such as throwing to a checkdown with 10 secs to go at halftime in FG range certainly costs a team football games. Have more of a pass rush than did last year and yet the first time since I was 1 year old the Chiefs are 0-4.
Predictions for 2009:
LJ runs for 1800 yards
Bowe in the pro bowl
Chiefs D finishes in the top 10 in points allowed
Chiefs 10-6
by bonesjackson on Oct 5, 2009 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He deserves...
to be criticized for that particular decision. However, we lost that game in two other moments that were as simple as catching a ball to knowing the fucking rules. He has never been able to get into a rhythm.
by I_Bleed_Red. on Oct 5, 2009 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No don't bench him....
Does he look good? Hell no, he’s missing some easy passes. But D-bowe is back to his former self, dropping easy passes, and the o-line still sucks balls. Better this week…still fucking terrible.
63 million reasons to let him keep playing.
Don't Fuccop Succop
by chicks_love_chiefs on Oct 5, 2009 9:22 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Croyle has had one decent, not even good game in 4 years.
Chiefs set an NFL record,most roster changes in 1 season.
by bringbacktheglory on Oct 5, 2009 9:50 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Bull
Croyle has ALWAYS played well tell injured and if he can stay healthy can be a VERY effective QB
by kcchiefstd on Oct 5, 2009 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes you are right he has 8 TD's and 8 int's in 9 starts thats great.
Chiefs set an NFL record,most roster changes in 1 season.
by bringbacktheglory on Oct 5, 2009 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well thats a lie
Actually Im pretty sure that as a starter he has 8 tds/6 Ints, and in two of his 9 starts he was injured in the first quarter. So 8td/6int over 7 stars with more than 1 half of play.
Croyle can’t start because of his durability. He’s absolutely as good as Cassel.
he was injured. injured bad.
by troy145 on Oct 6, 2009 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
see, this I question
I don’t think QBs have durability problems. I think the offensive lines in front of them do. Cassel’s already hurt a knee this year…
by rco3 on Oct 6, 2009 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How many good games did Cassel have
In between 1999-2007? Oh yeah he did a good job clipboard holding. In fact, he was sooo good at holding the clipboard the guy on the field was able to win Heismans and MVPs without concern over his job.
Predictions for 2009:
LJ runs for 1800 yards
Bowe in the pro bowl
Chiefs D finishes in the top 10 in points allowed
Chiefs 10-6
by bonesjackson on Oct 5, 2009 9:56 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
So he's a bad QB because...
He couldn’t beat out Carson Palmer, Matt Leinert (The USC version), and Tom Brady?
He proved in his first year as a starter that he can manage games well with talent around him. The important thing is that he didn’t make very many bad decisions…and in fact made a lot of good ones. I think he needs some time with more talent around him before judging too harshly. I can guarantee you that if you put Peyton Manning in a KC uniform in the past two games he wouldn’t look like the Colts Peyton Manning.
by jmcgoblue on Oct 5, 2009 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am not judging him harshly
I find it funny the Anti-Thigpen crowd actually sticks up for garbage QB play. Of course he needs more talent around him. If you put Payton Manning in a KC uniform, the Chiefs are 2-2. He has played like garbage I havent given up on him.
Predictions for 2009:
LJ runs for 1800 yards
Bowe in the pro bowl
Chiefs D finishes in the top 10 in points allowed
Chiefs 10-6
by bonesjackson on Oct 5, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you are saying that
Croyle is = Manning?
Predictions for 2009:
LJ runs for 1800 yards
Bowe in the pro bowl
Chiefs D finishes in the top 10 in points allowed
Chiefs 10-6
by bonesjackson on Oct 5, 2009 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also never said
he’s a bad QB. I said he is playing terribly. My point was that he has no history to call him proven.
Predictions for 2009:
LJ runs for 1800 yards
Bowe in the pro bowl
Chiefs D finishes in the top 10 in points allowed
Chiefs 10-6
by bonesjackson on Oct 5, 2009 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What you said is
“Oh yeah he did a good job clipboard holding. In fact, he was sooo good at holding the clipboard the guy on the field was able to win Heismans and MVPs without concern over his job.”
You honestly weren’t trying to say that he’s no good with that comment? Really?
by jmcgoblue on Oct 5, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He got recruited to USC
He couldnt be no good.
Predictions for 2009:
LJ runs for 1800 yards
Bowe in the pro bowl
Chiefs D finishes in the top 10 in points allowed
Chiefs 10-6
by bonesjackson on Oct 5, 2009 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you also know that he was beaten out by leinhart due to injury and by the time he was healthy, there was no reason to make a switch, right?
Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day.
Harry S. Truman
by kcguy on Oct 5, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
HELL NO
Ounce we get the type of weapons he had on NE if he does bad then bench him
by redmedicone on Oct 5, 2009 10:00 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
fine maybe haley should bench him let croyle out there against the cowboys
ware, spears , ratliff, james , maybe even brooking would have a sack fest on croyle how does that sound
by redmedicone on Oct 5, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the kind of weapons NE had?
Dude NE had arguably the best WR corps of all time. Indianapolis is still waiting to get the kind of talent NE had that year on offense.
he was injured. injured bad.
by troy145 on Oct 6, 2009 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, bench him
and Croyle gives us a win against the Cowboys. But we can’t do that can we, because Pioli is committed to acquiring all the Patriots players he can. He really should have never left them.
Let’s face it. We are going to have to wait until the Patriots start cutting offensive linemen and then we can build an OL for Cassel (our 63 million dollar man) who Pioli drafted after watching film of him sitting on the bench at USC for 4yrs. In the mean time, Brodie Croyle was breaking all the records at Alabama.
We can’t switch QB"s, unless, we pretend that Brodie is getting the 63 mil.. Hey, we can pretend until we start getting some of those Patroit linemen. After all, we’re used to waiting. We must be waiting because we didn’t draft any (except Brown).
In Pioli we must trust. Be patient Cassel fans, help is on the way. If he (Cassel) doesn’t get hurt first. We might have to start Brodie just to save Cassel for the good times that are coming
by choirboy on Oct 5, 2009 10:04 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Thus far Cassel does not look like a smart QB to me...
by ChiefsChance on Oct 5, 2009 10:04 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He is inexperianced
Doesnt make him stupid or anything. Maybe he will be OK.
Predictions for 2009:
LJ runs for 1800 yards
Bowe in the pro bowl
Chiefs D finishes in the top 10 in points allowed
Chiefs 10-6
by bonesjackson on Oct 5, 2009 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i know a lot of people who thought trent green was a bad move at first too but he played well for us
Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day.
Harry S. Truman
by kcguy on Oct 5, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Too soon to call for a benching.
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Oct 5, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, you don't bench him.
He really isn’t playing well at all, but until we can get it narrowed down to him as the only reamaing problem, he should stay. He isn’t really turning it over, he just isn’t making any plays. Croyle isn’t a proven performer, so there isn’t much justification to say he should start.
Cassel is not playing up to expectations and is really playing below average. Even when he has had time to throw (which was on plenty of plays Sunday), he missed receivers. I don’t know if he doesn’t know the offense really well, receivers aren’t getting open, or what, but he takes too long to make decisions on where to go with the ball which contributes to some of the sacks.
At this point, there are way too many other problems to fix first. Even if Brody was better, he probably only helps us lose by fewer points.
I remember Dawson to Taylor, Kenney to Carson, and Blackledge catching the snap in his facemask. Seen it all...
by BinSC on Oct 5, 2009 10:17 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Proven performer?
Croyle isn’t a proven performer, so there isn’t much justification to say he should start.
Croyle has proven more on the football field than Cassel has. So Cassel managed to drive a Porshe and not scratch it up too bad last year. Does that make him proven?
Predictions for 2009:
LJ runs for 1800 yards
Bowe in the pro bowl
Chiefs D finishes in the top 10 in points allowed
Chiefs 10-6
by bonesjackson on Oct 5, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Proven" would = wins to me.
Croyle has zero. Cassel at least has some from his former team. Can’t change that stat. Everyone’s favorite player is always the backup QB. I like to watch Brody throw the ball, but he hasn’t shown he is any upgrade yet. He did pretty good against the Ravens, but we lost. Not his fault, which is my point. Until it comes down to the QB as THE problem, forget about replacing Cassel. It’s not like Croyle is John Elway…
I remember Dawson to Taylor, Kenney to Carson, and Blackledge catching the snap in his facemask. Seen it all...
by BinSC on Oct 5, 2009 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was Cassel responsible for
his team’s wins last year? I believe he took an 18-1 team and managed to win 11 games….
Predictions for 2009:
LJ runs for 1800 yards
Bowe in the pro bowl
Chiefs D finishes in the top 10 in points allowed
Chiefs 10-6
by bonesjackson on Oct 5, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
“Croyle has proven more on the football field than Cassel has.”
I missed that season/game somehow.
I remember Dawson to Taylor, Kenney to Carson, and Blackledge catching the snap in his facemask. Seen it all...
by BinSC on Oct 5, 2009 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Than you never
watched Croyle in college. I know you didnt watch Cassel play because he didnt. W/L record for QBs with less than 4 years is the most useless stat. How many wins do you think Cassel would have had in KC?
Predictions for 2009:
LJ runs for 1800 yards
Bowe in the pro bowl
Chiefs D finishes in the top 10 in points allowed
Chiefs 10-6
by bonesjackson on Oct 5, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Going back to college?
That is so ridiculous I can’t even believe it. Dude, have there been any great college QB’s that didn’t work out? Ummmmm, yeah, many.
Not sure why you are trying to argue with me anyway. I started off by saying Cassel should NOT be benched and that the problems are with the rest of the team first and foremost. You keep trying to establish that Croyle is the better QB (with zero facts) and yet you state in other posts that Cassel should not be benched!??
Dude, take your Prozac…
I remember Dawson to Taylor, Kenney to Carson, and Blackledge catching the snap in his facemask. Seen it all...
by BinSC on Oct 5, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I never said Croyle is a better QB
I said he has proven more on the football field. My point is that Cassel has proven nothing. Yes I said from the beginning that if I were the coach I wouldn’t bench Cassel. That isnt because he is “proven”. It is because the GM decided to bring the guy in and pay him a lot of money and it isn’t good for your team to just be benching people constantly. I brought up the point of DJ being benched.
Dude, take your Prozac…
Is this what AP is coming to? Personal attacks when you disagree?
Predictions for 2009:
LJ runs for 1800 yards
Bowe in the pro bowl
Chiefs D finishes in the top 10 in points allowed
Chiefs 10-6
by bonesjackson on Oct 5, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmmmmm....
I want to know what it is like to live in a world where a guy with 11 wins is less proven than a guy with 0….
…oh fantasy…
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by woodman212 on Oct 5, 2009 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't you know what you do in collage means more than the NFL. :)
Chiefs set an NFL record,most roster changes in 1 season.
by bringbacktheglory on Oct 5, 2009 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who here thinks Croyle couldn't have won football games in NE Last year?
Honest to God you kids are dense with this whole win/loss fetish when evaluating talent. Archie Manning had an all time winning percentage like .250, did he suck? Was he worse than Jake Plummer?
he was injured. injured bad.
by troy145 on Oct 6, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Personal attacks on people, doesn't help you prove your point.
Croyle is a back-up nothing more.
Chiefs set an NFL record,most roster changes in 1 season.
by bringbacktheglory on Oct 6, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, really?
I think it’s incredibly ironic that you would call Croyle a backup when Cassel has started 18 games since high school. 18 of the last 19. 4 years backup at USC. Three years backup in the pros.
Brodie Croyle holds Alabama records for career passes, career total yardage, career attempts, career plays, career touchdown passes, consecutive passes without an INT, and is 2nd as of last year in plays in a season, total yardage in a season, career completions, yards passing in a season and TD passes for a season – all of the latter behind John Parker Wilson. Just to remind, names behind Croyle on these lists include Namath, Stabler, Gilmer, Todd, Rutledge, Hunter, and Jay Barker. Not all were NFL greats… but there’s 6 NFL starters in that list and 4 Super bowl wins.
However, college records don’t mean squat in the NFL, I know. But how many college passing records does Cassel own? None, he never started.
Between Croyle and Cassel, one does deserve the sobriquet of “career backup”. It ain’t Croyle.
by rco3 on Oct 6, 2009 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well you already made the point about Cassel and Croyle.
NFL wins>College wins
How about we compare Croyle to Huard
Huard a career backup on the same team same year as your College stud.
Huard 4 wins> Croyle 0 wins in 2007
Chiefs set an NFL record,most roster changes in 1 season.
by bringbacktheglory on Oct 6, 2009 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the "point" here is simple: Cassel is not getting it done ...
so if they toss Croyle out there, and we lose, big deal? Then we know … oh but wait, what if they put in Croyle and omg he looked good and we WON a gam or two? THEN what? the sky would fall?
Haley talks the talk about “competiton” at every position … is he willing to “walk the walk” on it?
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Oct 6, 2009 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok by your logic
the whole team isn’t getting it done so just replace everyone. Albert is struggling should we replace him too. Cassel isn’t the only one not playing as good as we want. Cassel hasn’t played terrible so I don’t know why people are even talking about this.
Chiefs set an NFL record,most roster changes in 1 season.
by bringbacktheglory on Oct 6, 2009 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he hasn't looked very good thus far, esp considering the inve$tment
so tell me, why NOT Croyle? sure the whole team is struggling … so? Croyle is used to that, and he managed to survive the opener @ Baltimore and look pretty decent last qtr when allowed to actually throw the ball
Haley has often said the past few weeks how good Croyle looks in practice, so … why not? do you have a personal investment in Cassel?
Haley broke the season in four quarters … great! they’re evaluating players as much as anything else, so why NOT give Croyle the ball for the next 3 games and see how he does? you’re right, he may not be better than Cassel, but hey, what if he is?
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Oct 7, 2009 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ryan leaf and jamarcus russell won alot of games in college tooo=
does not equal pro QB
by dgoddard on Oct 19, 2009 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes you do bench him ... if you're an honest coach
after all, he’s benched everyone else on the team at one point or another, since when is QB sacred? I mean, he (Haley) did say that EVERY postion is open to competition, right? and his reasoning is that competition WILL make the team better, right? and we ALL want to see the Chiefs play better, right?
so … why not?
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Oct 5, 2009 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow!
You mean someone read what was written? That was the exact point of what I wrote.
Predictions for 2009:
LJ runs for 1800 yards
Bowe in the pro bowl
Chiefs D finishes in the top 10 in points allowed
Chiefs 10-6
by bonesjackson on Oct 5, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The fact is...
That Cassel’s confidence is shattered. After/ever since his injury, he is still a shell of the player he was. Couple that with all the changes on the offense and it equals poor performance. I don’t think he is playing well but, i also don’t think the record is his fault either. The problem I see for Cassel is how long it will take for him to return to his pre-injury form? The line isn’t getting much better and Haley’s play calling isn’t either. I think the Chiefs have taken a pretty good QB and completely ruined him.
He lost his swagger after the loss vs Oakland and still has yet to get it back. If he can have a couple of good games in a row, MAYBE his play will improve on a consistent basis but, if the horrible protection continues, we may never get to see the Matt Cassel we are supposed to have playing for us.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Oct 5, 2009 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"no sacred cows"
heard you, Kev. Cassel is driving a poorly built car right now, and that affects his decisions but doesn’t excuse them. I’m not calling for Cassel’s benching now, but if we start losing to teams we should beat after the bye week, then it’s time to hand the keys to Croyle who’s used to driving a shitty car, and makes his decisions accordingly.
If Cassel can rise above the crappy pass protection and lack of a run game to set up the PA pass as the season progresses, GREAT! I think he can. If he doesn’t though, Haley needs to back up his “no sacred cows” statement. Even if it’s a 60 million dollar one.
by reedeasy on Oct 5, 2009 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is just crazy!
I am glad you don’t run a football team. You would have missed out on a lot of very good QB’s because if you look back a lot of very good QB’s haven’t did very well their first year with a team. I am not going to list everyone but Trent Green is one, He didn’t do good the first year but I think we can all agree he did very well for us after that.
Chiefs set an NFL record,most roster changes in 1 season.
by bringbacktheglory on Oct 5, 2009 10:44 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It is pretty sad
When I have to quote myself in a response to what I wrote but apparently no one reads more than the headline.
Is it time? It depends on what you are trying to do. If I were coach, I wouldn’t do it yet.
Predictions for 2009:
LJ runs for 1800 yards
Bowe in the pro bowl
Chiefs D finishes in the top 10 in points allowed
Chiefs 10-6
by bonesjackson on Oct 5, 2009 10:49 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
So here is a question?
Why even make this post, you make your points for his benching and that Croyle has did better but then you say you wouldn’t bench Cassel and that you never said Croyle is better. So why make a post about benching Cassel and try to show stats that Croyle is better, if you don’t want him benched and Croyle taking over., it just doesn’t make any sense.
Wow that is hard to follow. :)
Chiefs set an NFL record,most roster changes in 1 season.
by bringbacktheglory on Oct 5, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you notice the title was in the form of a question?
Croyle played much better in one game. He looked comfortable. My point at the end being if the coach really believed all of the BS coming out his mouth Croyle would have started the second half against Oakland. No I wouldn’t bench him but there are reasons to bench him. We are not talking about some All-Pro, we are talking about a guy Belicheat was going to cut last off season do to piss poor preseason play. He was really the only FA choice available. That being said….If the Chiefs lose their next game, it will be the first 0-5 Chiefs team in my life and if they lose the next 2 games, it will be the first 0-6 Chiefs team ever. I thought grown folks might be able to discuss simple things but I guess i was mistaken
Predictions for 2009:
LJ runs for 1800 yards
Bowe in the pro bowl
Chiefs D finishes in the top 10 in points allowed
Chiefs 10-6
by bonesjackson on Oct 5, 2009 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope Cassel's agent
is working overtime to get him out of KC. I don’t know how much say Cassel had in the trade from New England, but if given the choice to go to Denver I’m sure he would have—where there is a first-year coach who seems to be able to get a team to rally around him, even with all the off-season drama and derision. Kyle Orton probably gets on his knees every night to thank the Lord he landed in Denver. Heck, Marshall even hugged McDaniels during his post-game press conference yesterday! IMO, the only reason Cassel landed in KC was because he respects Pioli. Unfortunately, Cassel is accustomed to being in winning programs with upbeat coaches, whether he played all the time or not. Belief and attitude go a long way toward bringing out the best in players. Now he’s with the revolving-door coach who has continually refused to stand by his QB when given the chance. So, yeah, for the team’s and Cassel’s sake, go ahead and bench him and let the kid find another team.
by nycchief on Oct 5, 2009 10:54 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Bench the $$$ man?
Croyle does seem to be playing better football. Let me refresh some memories. Croyle won the starting job in camp last year. A shoulder injury, then a knee injury knocked him out for the season. IMO, he won the starting job again this season. He seems more focused, like a man with a mission, which he is. His contract will be up soon, and he’s auditioning for a job with another franchise. I can’t wait for him to light up the league with Carolina or Seattle. Back to the question, do we bench Cassel? Only if Haley/Peoli are REALLY commiting to Croyle. It would do no good to give him the job for a half a season, watch him be more effective than Cassel, and then watch him leave town as soon as he can, which he undoubtedly will. We can’t afford to keep two high-priced QBs.
by Special K on Oct 5, 2009 11:41 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sorry I have to disagree.
In 2007 season Herm tried to make Croyle the starter but he couldn’t beat out a QB that had bounced around different teams and was even out of football for a few years,so in 2008 Herm just made Croyle the starter.
Chiefs set an NFL record,most roster changes in 1 season.
by bringbacktheglory on Oct 5, 2009 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huard was never "out of football"
Predictions for 2009:
LJ runs for 1800 yards
Bowe in the pro bowl
Chiefs D finishes in the top 10 in points allowed
Chiefs 10-6
by bonesjackson on Oct 5, 2009 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If or when Cassel would ever be benched,
they better be damn sure that Croyle is the answer because what this team really needs right now is some time to get on the same page. We have a patch work O-line who need to learn to play together and we have a passing game that is clearly not up to speed yet. That’s on Haley, Cassel, and the WRs. If they bench Cassel, then we’re basically starting over again with trying to get timing and consistancy down. Then Croyle struggles and we’re having this same discussion about if they should bench Croyle and go back to Cassel. Patience is not a fun thing sometimes, but I think its needed.
It's a good thing Pioli and Haley aren't running AP or a lot of you guys would of been traded or cut for cast offs from the Pats Pulpit.
by KCporkchop on Oct 5, 2009 12:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
NO CASSEL IS DEF NOT THE ANSWER PERIOD
A total waste of 63 million and that is the decision that will have to be made PIOLLI screwed up. I will forgive him ONLY if he EATS it and does what is best for the TEAM.
by kcchiefstd on Oct 5, 2009 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ahaha
Looks like your little prediction turned otu great didn’t it!!!
Cassel looks more and more like a superstar each week. He’s got leadership, now all he needs is a team around him!
by TonylovesKC on Oct 19, 2009 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
people, please!!! the OBVIOUS answer here isn't in benching Cassel ... rather ...
someone needs to bench Haley
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Oct 5, 2009 3:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
My final comment
shows more of an attack on Haley than on Cassel.
Predictions for 2009:
LJ runs for 1800 yards
Bowe in the pro bowl
Chiefs D finishes in the top 10 in points allowed
Chiefs 10-6
by bonesjackson on Oct 5, 2009 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, and?
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Oct 6, 2009 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, sir
Also, please never coach football
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by woodman212 on Oct 5, 2009 5:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Anyone that belives that Brodie is better than Matt needs to see their doctor ASAP. His numbers against Baltimore were a fluke and remind me of the old saying “Even sun shines on a dogs ass sometimes”. Lets compare QB numbers coming into this year starting with Brodie.
Year Comp Att Yards TDs Int
2006 3 7 23 0 2
2007 127 224 1,227 6 6
2008 20 29 151 0 0
Totals 150 260 1,401 6 8
A whooping 57% completion, very nice and a QB Rating of 71.6!
Now lets look at Matt Cassel
Att Comp Yds TD Int
2005 24 13 183 2 1
2006 8 5 32 0 0
2007 7 4 38 0 1
2008 516 327 3,693 21 11
Total 555 349 3,946 23 13
Lets see, that come out to 62.8% completion and 11 WINS.
by Tooner on Oct 5, 2009 6:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I dont believe it
You want to compare Brodie on Chief teams with Matt on Pat teams? Do you have the gall to say Matt will be fine when we have Welker and Moss too?
Predictions for 2009:
LJ runs for 1800 yards
Bowe in the pro bowl
Chiefs D finishes in the top 10 in points allowed
Chiefs 10-6
by bonesjackson on Oct 5, 2009 11:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you would have bothered to look at some statistics, MC was sacked (47) more times than all of our QB’s (36) last year combined. The NE “O” line was just as bad as ours so basically we are comparing moss/welker to last years gonzalez/bowe…………
Ok lets do it
R. Moss had 69 receptions for 1008 yrds and 11 TD’d.
W Welker had 111 receptions for 1165 yrds and 3 TD’s.
Totals – 180 receptions for 2173 yards and 14 TD’s.
Tony G. had 96 receptions for 1058 yrds and 10 TD’s
D Bowe had 86 receptions for 1022 yrds and 7 TD’s
Totals – 184 receptions for 2080 yards and 17 TD’s
by Tooner on Oct 6, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How can that be?
Brady took 21 sacks the year before. What changed? Was it the O-line that changed? I checked: no. There was a bit of shuffle at RG both years, with Steve Neal only playing 8 and 9 games over those two seasons. Everyone else on that line – Light, Mankins, Koppen, and Kaczur – started all 16 games each season. How is it that the same O-line that gave up 21 sacks of Brady en route to a perfect regular season and lost only in the Super Bowl, gave up 47 sacks the next year? I guess either Belichick forgot how to coach, or else Cassel is sack-prone.
Seriously, man – was there a better POSSIBLE situation for Cassel to play in than taking over last year’s SB runner-up? He damn well oughta have good numbers with that team. If he’s worth that $63 million, they should at least have made the playoffs. The rest of the team would appear to have been capable.
With this team, his numbers aren’t as good. That’s no surprise, either. But Croyle’s numbers with this same team this year are better than Cassel’s. I’m sure that’s a surprise to the people who thought spending $63 million on a career backup was a great idea…
Not that anything I say is going to change Pioli’s mind, or Haley’s, or yours. But you can’t compare two QBs in two different systems on two different teams and determine anything meaningful. When you compare these two in the same system on the same team, the comparison doesn’t favor Cassel.
Now, if Croyle had started (and lost) that first game against the Raiders and Cassel had lost to the Ravens, Eagles, and Giants, I’d still be waiting to see. But seeing how Croyle did against the Ravens and how Cassel did against the Hapless Raiders (which I think is the official team name now), NOTHING about Cassel’s performance – this year or last – says $63 million to me.
If I were Coach Haley and I’d opened my mouth to talk about how every job was on the line, 22 guys off the street, yada yada, and then my $63 million QB lost to the Hapless Raiders with JaMarcus MF Russell behind the wheel, YES. I would bench Cassel. At this point, continuity means “continuing to suck”. You put in the guy with the best chance to win. Clearly, you and I disagree about who that is.
It’s really a moot point, Cassel won’t be benched. We’ve already seen that he is more injury-prone than Croyle is – he didn’t even make it into his first game! – and so he’ll probably blow out a knee or lose a lung behind this O-line, and we’ll get our first win of the year with Croyle under center. And then Cassel will come back, get his starting job back, and lose every remaining game, which a certain contingent of this fanbase will somehow blame on Croyle “ruining” the team chemistry. And two more QBs will have had promising careers destroyed á la David Carr. I hope I’m wrong…
by rco3 on Oct 6, 2009 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The point I tried to make is that statistically Brodie doesn’t match up to Matt. I don’t care how much any of them make, they are all over paid. I want someone in there that can win. Brodie will break something if a defender gets close and their draft hits him. But to say that the receivers in KC were (key word) not as good is not true which is why I posted Tony G. and D.Bowe numbers. They were very good especially for a team with a terrible “O” line and we took 11 less sacks. IMO neither QB is going to perform at the level we would like until the “O” line improves their play.
by Tooner on Oct 6, 2009 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's funny.
A few posts up you wanted to compare their college numbers like that had some sort of significance.
I remember Dawson to Taylor, Kenney to Carson, and Blackledge catching the snap in his facemask. Seen it all...
by BinSC on Oct 6, 2009 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
holy shit!
take off for a couple of days and now we’re giving up on our $63million QB. That’ll teach me!
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by Buck'O on Oct 5, 2009 8:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No No NO NO. The point of spending money (on a player) is that you have faith in that player. Faith develops over time. Give the man some time to play.
by Kristospherein on Oct 6, 2009 11:05 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
faith in players? well, considering the changes in depth charts all the time, I'd say that's something Haley lacks ...
and the point of spending isn’t to have faith, the point in spending is to see tangible results
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Oct 6, 2009 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
BRODIE HAS NEVER WON AN NFL GAME.
Bowe and Wade FTW.
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.
by NJChieffan16 on Oct 6, 2009 11:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
niether have the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs
and your point?
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Oct 7, 2009 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In the game Brodie played well...
He threw very few pass attempts even though he was behind for most of the game. He played “well” in that game because he was conservative and followed a gameplan. Was it a well played game? Yes. Did it give us a chance to win? Yes (arguably the defense did but at worst Brodie made no mistakes).
But.
Brodie played so conservative he made many plays such as throwing for 5 yards when it was 3rd and 7 many times. We didn’t really sustain drives and the only reason the final numbers were good was because he dumped the ball off a lot (and I don’t blame him for that). Most of his yards were on his only big play down the field.
Point is, when you fill in for an injured QB you play a game thinking don’t screw up and give us a chance to win. When you are a starter you are thinking I got to make plays and win this game for us. Its a different mindset and when you put a QB in a situation where he has to make plays he attacks the defense differently.
I don’t care which starts, but in the end consistency is much more important and will help develop whoever gets the playing time. Both Qb’s have seemed similar enough to me, I’m just saying if Brodie got the chance (hes had chances) he probably would make many of the mistakes Cassel has made. In the end they are both young.
Just stick with a QB for an entire season for once please.
by Lucasjr5 on Oct 10, 2009 6:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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