Great Fourth Quarter Makes the Chiefs' Loss to the Giants Respectable
by Chris Thorman on Oct 4, 2009 3:15 PM CDT
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PrintChiefs lose, 27 to 16. Stats are here.
Well everyone, I'm glad the Chiefs at least closed the gap in the fourth quarter against the Giants. What was looking to be a blowout turned out to be a respectable showing by KC against a great Giants team.
Here are my quick post game thoughts. Chime in with your defensive and offensive MVPs in the comments.
The Good
- Two turnovers by the defense. A fumble recovery caused by Tamba Hali and a Brandon Flowers INT off of a Giants WR Mario Manningham tipped pass were defensive highlights. Hali's strip and fumble were Derrick Thomas-esque.
- CB Brandon Carr had some great plays deep in the secondary.
- RB Larry Johnson ran with an attitude and energy we haven't seen in a while. He fell forward, broke tackles and looked sharper on his cuts than at any point this season.
- RB Jamaal Charles had a 53-yard kick return in the fourth quarter.
- LB Mike Vrabel played a great game IMO. He constantly made plays, even if they weren't recorded stats.
- TE Sean Ryan came out of the four TE mix to have a fantastic game. One TD catch and led the team in receiving with 48 yards.
- WR Bobby Wade had a great TD catch at the end of the game on a busted play. Matt Cassel made a heck of a pass to make that play too.
The Bad
- The Chiefs had three fumbles. They only lost one of them but this is a continuing problem.
- QB Matt Cassel had a couple of deep ball opportunities that he overthrew.
- WR Dwayne Bowe had a couple of missed catches that could be considered drops.
- I know the o-line has its issues but I felt like Matt Cassel held on to the ball too long on a few of the sacks.
- LT Branden Albert continues to get spooked into penalties.
- Matt Cassel didn't have any picks but he could have easily had two or three off of tipped passes.
- Goal line play calling was off IMO. Too many passes, not enough runs.
- The Chiefs offensive line was again inconsistent. Not as bad as last week but not good either. They're improving, which is why they're in the Bad list and not the Ugly list.
The Ugly
- RB Jamaal Charles fumbled on the opening kick off, setting a terrible tone for the rest of the game. His inability to hold on to the football is becoming a huge liability.
- The passing game was atrocious for most of the game, except for the fourth quarter. Cassel ended up going 15/32 for 127 yards and two fourth quarter TD passes.
- The post halftime onside kick was too risky of a call. Straight out of a video game.
Give us your defensive and offensive MVPs for the Chiefs in the comments. I'm choosing Sean Ryan and Brandon Carr. We'll have more for you later.
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given my pre game expectations, i feel pretty good about how we played
Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day.
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After we went to the shotgun and spread it out
Cassel did much better. I hope they start out in that formation next week.
MVP
O:Johnson
D:Flowers
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I had LJ
then changed it.
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by Chris Thorman on Oct 4, 2009 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Dustin C is special teams...
Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes; after that, who cares?! He's a mile away and you've got his shoes!
and a punter is considered a defensive position
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i can say i saw some improvement...
but the one thing i will complain about is the play calling…..and thats on haley….two times at the goaline and we are passing on rollouts….the times he did run the ball it was on a draw…instead of just pounding it…
The oline is the worst part of our team.
This team does not have the ability to line up at the goal line and punch it into a stacked D-line.
You left out the best thing about this weeks game
the reduction in penalties. We had 7 and one was definitely bogus and another questionable. But the stupid false starts were way down.
Chiefs need to show the sae scappiness against the Cowboys
cause if they do I think they can beat the Redskins.
I also thing O’Callahan was much better at RT.
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They could even beat the Cowboys
The Cowboys are still a tough match up for us, but they are more likely to shoot themselves in the foot than the Giants. And we’re home again, and wearing throwback Texans unis. It’s going to be interesting.
Hell yeah.
I think the Chiefs first win will come over the Cowboys. The stadium better be packed for that game. Its pretty much for Lamar Hunt.
What do you guys think about Ike at Guard?
instead of Goff?
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Giants were horrible
Do not confuse that with KC improving. The Giants could have won by thirty if not foe mercy and sloppy play.
Fair point
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by Chris Thorman on Oct 4, 2009 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Cassel was horrible and I can see why he ate 50 sacks last year.
The guy is standing there and waiting for the perfect pass or the WR to get wide open which is retarded. He needs to start throwing it at his WR and letting them make plays like Wade did on the TD.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
great fourth quarter? game was over and giants played prevent. game was over when the tone was set 5 seconds in off the ko fumble. once again no oline and no pass rush means no win this team stinks until further notice
by golfbard on Oct 4, 2009 3:20 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
The Oline was pretty good today not sure what game you were watching.
Cassel had plenty of time a majority of the time and we were running the ball with LJ.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
no pass rush? how many 2 sack games we have last year? Thinking our pass rush is much improved compared to last year
Dline was getting good push for most of the game.
Just didnt bring in enough guys behind them
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
I dunno, I think "respectable" is pushing it
100 yds rushing, but of those, Cassel had 25 scrambling and Charles had 25 on last play of the game – and NY had Carr in for last couple of series and they were by no means looking to make it a “blowout” game, although they could have easily (seemed almost like a “mercy killing” at the end)
when it really mattered we got beat in every way possible …
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O'Callhan looked like he played smarter.
I will have to re watch but if he is serviceable that is a huge upgrade.
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He missed a huge block when cassel threw that short pass to LJ in the 4th quarter.
O Callaghan didnt even block him
Too many false starts
Plus, they gave it to us with penalties. And Carr was in. Our O-Line is really ruining us.
Bowe and Wade FTW.
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.
Amen
Our corners may the the strongest component of the team, even if they aren’t exactly pro-bowl quality yet. Some really nice plays by the corners today. Too bad our linebackers are still such a weak link (especially since the 3-4 is supposed to be built around the LB position).
wait, those are HERM'S guys so (according to some) they can't POSSIBLY be any good or have talent ...
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
Didnt know that stafford was hurt
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C
As expected we lost but the play was improved, somewhat.
MVP – Offense – Larry Johnson
Defense – Tamba Hali
His stats werent really his fault.
Four 5 yard losses in the last 5 minutes on stupid draw plays.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
How about significant improvement
Plus no one else on offense earned it. I think he blew it but a lot of what I saw was poor play calling with draw plays. How many times were we on the 2 yd line and not just handing it off. If we are going to be a running team, then we need to make better calls, mosly in the red zone
what was with some of those calls?
not just the ones on the chiefs but also on NY
jeez
o mvp- sean ryan
d mvp- vrabel
Before you build yourself up, you must tear somebody else down.
r u kidding?
ryan had a pretty awful game actually…before his few good plays, i was calling for him to be cut tomorrow morning. lets see…penalties, seemingly refused to block (had a guy blow right by him as he just stood there looking stupid.) and had passes hit him right in the numbers that he dropped. this is not fantasy football…this is the nfl. there is more to football than putting up some average stats. he only stands out because the rest of the team played even worse than he did which is really sad.
by MountainManMike on Oct 4, 2009 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions
+1
Missed your comment up here, which is why I commented at the bottom.
Remember, in Taiwan (where I’m watching from) it’s 4 or 5 am, so remembering a lot of these facts in the morning is pretty difficult (since I’m only partially awake). However, I remember distinctly screaming at the screen after Ryan’s TD “CELEBRATE YOU OVERPAID CLOWN, CUZ THAT’S THE LAST TIME YOU EVER SUIT UP!”
-cw
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Twittering my every move. Don't act like you're not even slightly interested.
he did put up a good stat line.
maybe we can dupe the redskins or raiders into trading for him…id be happy with a 7th rounder or maybe even a blocking dummy. i know, wishful thinking. who am i kidding? id be happy with just benching or cutting him.
by MountainManMike on Oct 4, 2009 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions
TO all of you bitching about Haley running on 1st down
6 first down rushes
6 first down passes
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Other then the dumb draws late in the game I thought Haley called a pretty good game.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
O-LINE
LJ Cant run and Matt can’t pass without being hurried.
Bowe and Wade FTW.
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.
Lenny just made a great point
that Charles fumbling on the first play of the game put us in the hole right from the start. We can’t afford to play like that against a team like the Giants. I think it was probably the worst play of the day by the Chiefs.
Yep
Good step forward for the Chiefs. I am pleased.
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by Patrick Allen on Oct 4, 2009 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Terrible defense, terrible playcalling
I’m ashamed of Haley more this week than last. How many times does he call that fucking shotgun draw??? TERRIBLE. And he did it at terrible times in the drives. We were lucky we scored that last touchdown. LUCKY. Not only that, but LJ has no right to be in the game on passing downs. Jamaal Charles – fumbles or not – gives us a better chance to move the chains. I don’t know that he saw the field on offense this game. That’s bullshit, Todd.
The defensive playcalling was just as bad. No creativity. No disguising schemes. Same old shit, every single play. Leggett killed last year on the blitz…I don’t think he’s done it once this year. Both Brown & McGraw are terrible in pass coverage, as is Page. Demorrio Williams is still terribly unimpressive. For crying out loud, get DJ back in there, hurt or not, he’s still better.
I’m not optimistic right now. I’ll continue to support this team, but this was a terribly coached game by Toddy Haley. Wrong people on the field, bad playcalling all-around.
The defense I thought did ok
There was a couple of bad calls that resulted in touchdowns. Combine that with a huge amount of time out there and the other team’s offense is bound to build up stats.
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They're on the field because they can't stop anyone.
It’s just as much their fault as it is the offense’s. New York tallied 429 yards. Our defense is awful. The only guys playing well are Mike Vrabel & Brandon Carr.
and could have had closer to 500 if they'd not been so merciful
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They are on the field
Because our offense continually goes three and out. I’m not saying our D is great, but I would say they are at least average to a little below average.
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Defense wasnt terrible...
They were just out there for a very very long time. But i agree for the most part on the other things
Today I was castigated by nephew...
…he’s eight. I told him who my favorite team was and he said “we will both be dead before they ever win again”. He’s cold.
LOL
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Wow, that's not just a burn, that's immolation
I can’t stop laughing at the mental image of an eight year old kid looking you square in the eye and saying, almost in a monotone: “We will both be dead before they ever win again.”
by Soria's Unibrow on Oct 4, 2009 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions
my MVP......
The secondary…an INT, a sack, multiple passes broken up, the HUGE hit that we got a BS call on……they played well today
smith had time to find a soft place in the zone and sit down for a catch
….because….the d line could not get pressure fast enough on eli….we have had the same problem for 4 5-6 yrs now…..it makes the secondary look bad
Great 4th Quarter? Its called "Garbage Time"
Nice to see the New England Mafia realizes TE is an important position. Who’da thunk it? I wonder who they will fire this week?
Man
That’s my Chiefs love showing through!
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by Chris Thorman on Oct 4, 2009 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions
You are wrong
The Giants weren’t playing prevent D.
They were still blitzing the hell out of Cassel. The Chiefs fought for every yard they got on offense the entire game. It is insulting to the players to call their triumphs “garbage time” when if you were paying attention you would know the G men didn’t let up.
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by Patrick Allen on Oct 4, 2009 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions
+1
There was no garbage time. Both teams scrapped it out until the last down or we wouldnt have been 4th and 27.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
Well boys it could be worse!
Jamarcus 12/33… at least we aren’t Raider fans. We’ll get there, have a little faith.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
And their "stud" RB...
Carried 6 times for -3 yards against the worst defense in the league.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
Man, I'm glad this one is over
I think this is the “hump” in our schedule. It start’s getting better and I’m glad to see that we had a better game this week than last. We just need to keep improving and we could have a solid second half of the season.
by Big Chief on Oct 4, 2009 3:34 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Agreed
I think we’re getting there, but it’s just taking more time than we’d like. With this schedule though and us improving against these tough teams we will probably hit stride later on. Even without winning the division, going out 2009 with wins is going to be good way to go into 2010
+1
Now we will play teams more our Size! haha
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
The more I watch the OAK games...
the more I wonder how we lost. We better beat them next time.
Bowe and Wade FTW.
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.
Seriously though...
As the fans, we better see some wins after the bye. Then I look at the skins and wonder…
Bowe and Wade FTW.
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.
The Skins look pretty beatable.
Barely beat the Rams, Lose to the Lions, Barely beat Tampa.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
Get real!
Based on what I saw this team goes winless.
by BCRavenJHawkfan on Oct 4, 2009 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Are you a Chief fan?
Im guessing not.
Bowe and Wade FTW.
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.
+1
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
You guessed wrong.
Chiefs fan since Super Bowl I.
by BCRavenJHawkfan on Oct 4, 2009 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions
At the start of the game, bright sunny blue sky,
at the end it was a very black sky.
by BCRavenJHawkfan on Oct 4, 2009 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions
I am willing to put up any number of paychecks.
What I saw today, with the exception of the Page hit and Vrabel were players pulling up on tackles. The offensive line plays like 80 pound weaklings. They stand up and have no leverage. And the list could go on and on.
by BCRavenJHawkfan on Oct 4, 2009 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions
I'll add my paycheck to the kitty on Chiefs win side.
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
ill put my paycheck in too that the chiefs win at least one…but then again, i am unemployed so im not risking much.
by MountainManMike on Oct 4, 2009 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Chin up
A mountain man can make it work:)
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
I think they have a real shot at the Redskins
as long as they keep it together next week and play well.
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I think we have a decent shot at every team from here on out
I don’t think Cowboys will be easy, but the Cowboys are the type of team that could blow us out or shoot themselves in the foot. And yeah, I think we could beat the Skins. Worst thing could be if they fire Zorn first.
c'mon now...
We are going to kick the shit out of them Cowboys next week(with our old uniforms)
by idahochieffan on Oct 4, 2009 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions
If Dallas loses to Denver
Then maybe, just maybe, we can win.
Bowe and Wade FTW.
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.
You want Dallas to win big
then KC becomes a “look beyond game”
Dallas losing today would be bad. See Philly
by mushin on Oct 4, 2009 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh yea your right
Dallas wins and they get overconfident.
Bowe and Wade FTW.
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.
Oh but our "receivers" keep dropping the ball.
I dont know how many times that this happened but I saw it a lot.
Bowe and Wade FTW.
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.
Bowe had bad passes to catch
The one when he was running free and the pass was behind was killer. Cassel and Bowe will figure it out, but damn that hurts
Completely Agree
Once they get their chemistry going and the comfort level is there they will be a great duo, in the mean time watching the growing pains is painful
Question everyone.
Do you think this game would’ve been any different if we wouldn’t have fumbled the kickoff? (by different I mean anything other than the giants winning by 11+)
Predictions.
1. Tank Tyler will end up surprising everyone and be the anchor of our line.
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"
Yes.
Wouldve even been different if on the 3rd and 5 after the fumble that Vrabel had got the holding call he deserved then at least we make a stand and maybe get momentum that way.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
Not to mention...
That other then kickoffs that was the end of Charles for the day and I think we would all admit that LJ isnt a 3rd down back and I could count probably 1/2 dozen plays that are different with Charles on the field.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
Not really. The Chiefs in the 1st half were all about 3 and out
The score might have been closer, but the loss would have been just as painful
Yeah
When you’re team is struggling that takes a lot of wind out of your sails. Instead of getting an opportunity to start something we put ourselves in about as bad a position as possible. Don’t know we still could have won, but I think it’s likely we would have been in in longer.
I bet we defer if we win the toss next week.
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
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nope - even w/o the fumble we looked bad - no way were we gonna win this one
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
Dorsey looked good, it was a nice day, and we brought back Warpaint. I'll take it.
"What?!?! I aint no Obama for the weed!"
-Turk McBride
I thought Carrr played pretty well too...
And Tyler was getting good push most of the day just didnt seem like we were bring enough guys behind him.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
this teaam will go nowhere until...
we ACTUALLY find talented linemen…or….Haley leaves them alone long enough to find some cohesion and consistancy…….you cant make changes every week based on what a guy did the week before….
Unless we can get a star
I think the O line is going to stabilize. They do need some time together to play as well as they can. They did better today than I expected, so hopefully they will continue to improve.
Big Chief, you speak the secret thoughts from my heart
The line played better, especially in the second half. Niswenger scares the hell out of me though. The center cannot be lost
2 sacks today is better than none.
Bowe and Wade FTW.
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.
One was pure effort by Hali.
It’s certainly not a consistent team thing. It’s not a coaching theme or a scheme thing. This isn’t your Pittsburgh Steelers’ 3-4 front. No disguising blitzes, no push from the linebackers up the middle. Very weak. We simple have Jackson, Dorsey and Edwards/Tyler standing up blockers in the middle while we rely on Vrabel & Hali to beat their man, or sometimes 2. Awful.
Speaking holding, the Giants held all day and got called for it maybe once.
Constant hands wrapped around Chiefs shoulders and backs. We didn’t get the ref’s love this week, either.
O’Callaghan is an improvement, that’s obvious.
I think we replace Krumrie this offseason. The guy has gotten very, very little out of some very, very talented college players. I’m noticing a trend.
And I still can’t believe Demorrio is starting in the middle. DJ needs to get that spot back.
by HTrayne on Oct 4, 2009 3:55 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
You get those calls when you're the Giants.
Not when your the 2-27 in the last 29 Chiefs.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
New O-line please. 4-27 is unacceptable
We convert more 4th downs than 3rd.
Bowe and Wade FTW.
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.
"KC proposes 5th down at owners meeting"
I like it
by mushin on Oct 4, 2009 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oakland has scored 9 points in the last 2 weeks.
No way we lose against them next time.
Bowe and Wade FTW.
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.
Hillside NJ
Too many Giant fans here.
Bowe and Wade FTW.
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.
Allentown is the worst. Giants, Eagles, Steelers and Jets.
The only good thing is that you don’t have to talk smack to the Eagles, Giants and Jets fans when their team is bad. Just mention them and they’ll start kicking their own asses
I live in Giant/Jet country sooo
Its gonna be a long week.
Bowe and Wade FTW.
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.
aren't they all in Giant/Jet country
Their friggin radio stations are still covering the Mets. WTF?!?!?!?
Jet fans might be quiet this week...
Sanchez has two scores…for the Saints….
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
You have it easy
Try living in Steeler Country
Line is getting better!!
LJ ran good except for being told to run a dozen draws from the shotgun WTF. Five sacks but perhaps if Cassel could read a blitz and call an audible or hot route. the guy holds onto the ball way too long and when he throws short he hits their feet.
by Chiefsfan_in_the_MileHigh on Oct 4, 2009 4:01 PM CDT reply actions
Line is getting better?
compared to what? through 3 quarters of football we had less than 100 yds of total offense (and that’s about as offensive as it gets) – you can blame QB, RBs, WRs, Refs, Other Team, Chicken Little, Play Calling and Auntie Grizelda but it all comes down to the O-Line being not at all good at doing what they’re supposed to do
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
The reason we run so many draws..
is because the draw is really a play to trick the D-line. We do this because our line is not good enough to line up head up against the D-line and blow people off the ball. This is the same reason that we didn’t try to blast up the middle when on the goal line. There is no way this line could win the battle against an overloaded goal line defense by pounding up the middle.
We did better then if we would have run right at them.
And we did score both times on the goal line, if I remeber right. It if funny to me, with a team so starved of talent and offensive scoring. That when we do score today, people complain about how we did it.
+1 vincent
LJ did run it up the middle for 14 yards and I wanted to do it again 2 yards!
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
oh, not complaining that they scored, or how they scored, really ...
… just saying it was way too little and way too late, as someone else said “garbage time” … sure, we scored twice late, but not til down 27-3 and that doesn’t cut it, that’s all I’m saying here
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
I hear what you are saying.
And i am trying to agree with you. (Doing a poor job of wording it.)
Hear people blaming play calling, QB, Coach…and it all boils down to the O-line. I don’t know how anyone can judge any skill position players or coach on this team when you are hand-cuffed by how bad our line play is.
I dont know how bad you guys have it but...
I get harrased by Giant/Jet fans every day at school.
Bowe and Wade FTW.
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.
THE FIRST GOOD THING I HEARD
was that I am faithful. Couldnt believe that coming from a Steeler fan.
Bowe and Wade FTW.
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.
Good Lord
the idiotic Radio station just cut away from Haley’s press conference for a commercial. Fox Radio has to do the worst job of any “flag ship” station in the country!
Horrendous...
0-4 for the first time since 1980. A couple of late garbage touchdowns to fool us into thinking the game was closer than it really was. I don’t know what the problem is for the Chiefs, I really don’t. It seems like we just aren’t giving the passing game enough opportunities. Maybe Haley is so determined to make an “identify” as a running team, that he is blinded and doesn’t see that if we keep running on first and second down, defenses know we are going to throw on 3rd down? I apologize if there isn’t much structure to this rant, I have been drinking in sorrow today. At least Mark Martin is having a pretty solid race…
I am so frustrated by this team. From the opening kickoff fumble, the game was just a disaster… I am sitting here wearing my KC t-shirt, and I just want to burn it. I really do, this team hasn’t improved at all since last year, WE ARE WORSE.
The End.
Tommorrow will be better, just hang in there and no burning while drinking, okay:)
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
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just remember to take it off first...or not...
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5280chiefsfan
I feel your pain so much, but you just have to remember that this is the NFC EAST. Honestly, I think the NFL gave us this schedule so that our team has no confidence in itself. Our team will rise again.(I have to keep telling myself that).
Bowe and Wade FTW.
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.
by NJChieffan16 on Oct 4, 2009 4:16 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Honestly
The O line is misserable. LJ’s runs looked like he just said “screw the line I’ll make it on my own”. Sometimes it turned out good other times not.
When did LJ become a Wildcat threat? Give me a break with that crap.
Why are we rushing three in critical 3rd downs? Like we have shut down coverage.
We desperately need a leader on both sides of the ball. We need guys playing with attitude (LJ had some of it early).
Blame Cassel as well as the OL
If we bitched and cussed at Bono and Grabac, we have to bitch about the play of Cassel. There is no indication that tells me he is KC’s savior and the QB of the future. So far, I give him a F and can blame the Oakland lost squarely on him. I have no patience when I am paying $780 a ticket x 3 for a QB that can’t play better than he has over the last 3 games. Just dreadful. He is pitiful at managing the game and is doing nothing to help his line. so gar, CASSEL SUCKS big D’s.
by NFL season ticket holder on Oct 4, 2009 4:32 PM CDT reply actions
Bono and Grbac both played on teams
that had everything else (but a kicker). Ther O Line was very good to outstanding when both played. The D was top 10. Bono had a team with 13 wins. There’s no way you can say a criticism of Cassel is on the same level as for those two. To do so would show a serious lack of perspective.
I agree that Cassel hasn’t proven himself the QBOTF. But I think it’s too soon to say he isn’t.
I left in the 3rd Quarter.
After the Giants scored to make it 27, the Chiefs looked like they had given up, and it made me sick. Unable to endure yet another walk of shame, I left in the 3rd.
I actually liked the onside kick call at the half, if only because it was completely unexpected, and if we’d executed it correctly, it would have been a great play. I think Haley has realized that we have to get creative with this level of talent.
by GonzosDirtyTrailer on Oct 4, 2009 4:36 PM CDT reply actions
The replay looked like we had a chance
only problem was it was the kicker that needed to go at it head first since the ball went out in front of him. Instaed Kehl made him think different.
by BCRavenJHawkfan on Oct 4, 2009 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions
mike brown was horrible today out of position and horrible tackling
by njchiefs on Oct 4, 2009 4:36 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Brown made one of the loudest hits on Jacobs
so maybe that was while you were elsewhere :)
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
No, you confused Jacobs hitting Brown.
Jacobs was clearly the instigater ALL day!
by BCRavenJHawkfan on Oct 4, 2009 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Well Jacobs didn't go forward:)
Brown did shake some cobwebs! Like AnimalPlanet they needed to do it again to determine the Stud Bighorn!
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
im still upset with the call on Page.
What a BS call…..
The difference between a good and bad day, isn't what changes in your day...It's what changes in you.
Carr evened the score with the head shiver later.
No Call :)
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
When will
the rose colored glasses come of? This team is as bad as it was week 1. It’s not getting any better.
I think I provided the reason
in the statement. The whole team is as bad as they were in week 1 period. The o-line still stinks, Cassel plays scared, Johnson is still slow, the receivers are still dropping everything, Charles still can’t hold onto the football, Jackson and Dorsey are still getting pushed around like rag dolls, the play calling is still awful, we still can’t avoid penalties, and our linebackers are still mediocre at best. Need anything else?
Okay
as a MU fan myself, are the Tigers better this Year?
We are 4-0 and now in every top 25 poll. Yet we beat Illinois and Nevada.
Are we a better team than last year? probably not, yet I HOPE we can continue vis Nebraska. Stop being so negative :)
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
I'm not convinced about the Tigers yet
but I remain hopeful. Nevada giving us a scare has me concerned. I’m very much looking forward to Thursday. I still haven’t rid myself of the memory of the Nebraska-Mizzou game where Wiggins kicked the ball in the air for the TD.
Uh Mizzou we are 0-4
yet we are better. We have played 3 very good teams and been reamed once. The heart is beating and we will take a lot of knowledge about
What good teams do to Win
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
Steve, love ya man, but I see a team that's been awful in 3 out of 4 games
deep in my heart of Chief’s heart, I count that Raiders game as a win
and, too, hope the Tigers beat the husk off the Huskers
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
I look forward to getting crucified by most of you for this
I really think Ryan sucks. I know, prolly the best TE we have, but even after his “team-leading” performance, why do I feel like I’d been cursing his name a number of times throughout the game. Didn’t he have a couple of momentum-killing penalties? I might answer myself on this one in the next few days if I can get enough medicine so I can stand watching this atrocity again.
-cw
Watching the 2009-2010 Chiefs 12 hours ahead of you (in Taipei, Taiwan).
Twittering my every move. Don't act like you're not even slightly interested.
agreed
refer to my comments well above.
by MountainManMike on Oct 4, 2009 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions
agreed
I was wanting to cut Goff for a block that Ryan didn’t make
Cut them both and put Ndukwe and Pope in there and I would be happy.
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
what becomes obvious here
is that the hiring of Herman Edwards crippled this franchise for at least the next 4 years. This assumes that Pioli and Haley know what they’re doing, which is by no means clear either. AT BEST, there will be one person from the Edwards years left on the team if they get good again in that period of time. I imagine it will be Flowers.
The only measure of true success in the NFL is the Vince Lombardi trophy. Anything less is a rationalization.
by sm7600 on Oct 4, 2009 5:50 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I think a collection of things crippled this franchise.
Prior to Herm we were drafting Players in the first/second rounds that were bust. Then during the Vermiel era, we had a solid but old Oline that we failed to address, because the defense was so bad. Problem is, we were never able to hit on any draft picks that helped on the defense side of the ball either. So, Herm comes in and decides that if we are going to suck….at least we’ll be young and suck.
Rec'd
Thanks for making my day 1% better. I am now blaming Herm for today’s loss :-)
-cw
Watching the 2009-2010 Chiefs 12 hours ahead of you (in Taipei, Taiwan).
Twittering my every move. Don't act like you're not even slightly interested.
by webby37 on Oct 4, 2009 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
no, what's obvious is that, once again, people are blaming Herm while making (false?) assumptions ...
1) Herm’s been gone for 9 months, 1 off-season, 1 draft, 1 full training camp, 4 preseason games (all losses for what little that’s worth) and 4 regular season games (all losses)
2) Pioli has turned over just about half the roster, including bringing in over-the-hill players whose only “credentials” are that they’re from a different team
3) Haley has berated players in practice, demoted and/or cut players like he has a clue, given the offense a new playbook and very little time to work with it and provided an aura of instability and fear
some names from Herm’s drafts seemed to come up often today in a rather positive light: Flowers, Hali, Page … let’s add Bowe to that list, we all know the guy can produce, and the injured DJ can play …
some of the BEST players on the team RIGHT NOW are, indeed, Herm’s picks … STOP with the BLAME GAME, it’s wrong and simplistic … this is, and has been for quite some time, Pioli and Haley’s team, period
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
there ARE no good players on this team
you don’t pull records like the Chiefs do with any semblance of talent.
The only measure of true success in the NFL is the Vince Lombardi trophy. Anything less is a rationalization.
that's the most overly simplistic nonsense I've heard in at least a few days ...
if you’re going strictly by record, I’d suggest you take a closer look at the record of the current regime, go ahead and feel free to include pre-season wins in your total when you’re making your assessment
go ahead, add up all the wins, I’ll wait …
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
Yeah, the previous regime lit it up in exhibition play too
As charmin soft as Albert is showing himself, as slow and unreliable as Bowe is, as nonexistent as Derrick Johnson is for most of the NFL regular season (drafted by Vermeil, by the way), Dorsey…well, words fail how bad that draft pick has turned out to be…every bit a 21st Century Ryan Sims.
I could go on, but I have a life.
The only measure of true success in the NFL is the Vince Lombardi trophy. Anything less is a rationalization.
Stupid Argument
Can’t turn a shit team into a championship team overnight. It was different in Miami and Atlanta because they actually had some talent. This team is loaded with young guys who entered the league under bad coaching and don’t know how to play the game. That’s why Pioli & Co. brought in the veterans. Most importantly, our offense is terrible and there wasn’t much in free agency this year that we could’ve done to improve it. We should’ve signed a big-time linebacker, and that’s our biggest mistake. We may be bad right now, but by year’s end, we’ll be heading in the right direction, and after next offseason, this team will look very different yet again, especially on offense. Give it time.
And the reason he has turned over just about half the roster
is becuase we have only won 6 games in the last two years. We’ll see how many of Herm/Peterson’s guys are still around after another offseason.
and this turnover has made the team better ... how?
I mean, maybe you can see something I can’t … but right now my eyes see a pretty bad football team in just about every way … including the “new” guys who seem to play remarkably like the “old” guys
funny, I remember a few years ago, just as Herm took over, the whole team was getting old and older while you watched – and the oldest of them all, Old King Carl, wanted to make the team “better” by bringing in … MORE OLD GUYS!
well, we all know what happened … FLOP! only it took ANOTHER year for anyone to actually realize what a mistake that was, and so it was yet ANOTHER year (last year) when the REAL housecleaning began … so, blame Carl, blame Pioli or Haley, blame the alignment of the planets, but STOP BLAMING HERM
(I’m SO glad we understand each other now!)
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Oct 4, 2009 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
its cleaning out the dead wood
from the previous regime. you still have to field a team, even with guys off the street.
The only measure of true success in the NFL is the Vince Lombardi trophy. Anything less is a rationalization.
Outside of TE tell me what positions we are worse at this year
then we were last year? I blame Carl everybit as much as Herm.
I just said this lower on the thread
We are improved across the board, we were just THAT BAD. Plus we have all new, rookie coaching. We have young players who aren’t used to the playbook, and a qb who isn’t good with any of his receivers yet. We’ll improve over the season, make some changes after, and then we’ll hopefully be much better next year.
Carr, Alberts, Bowe, etc
give us a break
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
none of whom could start on any playoff team
period.
The only measure of true success in the NFL is the Vince Lombardi trophy. Anything less is a rationalization.
Great Fourth Quarter..?
I guess scoring against a defense that had clearly hung it up for the afternoon and Eli left the game and stopped throwing to Steve Smith and Hakeem Nicks, then sure, that was a great fourth quarter. I enjoy this web site, I really do, I check AP everyday and it does a great job of covering the Chiefs. But a great fourth quarter? Did you watch the same game I did? The only thing that’s great about watching the Chiefs right now is they only play once a week. That fourth quarter was just as bad as the rest. Wasted chances and right when you think the Chiefs might get something going when it was 27-16 with 5 minutes left, they revert back to form, Cassel gets sacked, the wideouts run routes 10 yards short of a first down, and that’s your ballgame. That’s not great, that’s bad football from a bad football team.
www.coachesaid.com/mo
I have to agree, unfortunately
I just feel like this Chiefs team is still in pre-season mode. Their offense is mostly really vanilla, running in obvious running situations and passing in obvious passing situations, never trying to confuse the defense at all (there have been a few exceptions, but not enough). And if the O-line is so bad (which is basically is) then why don’t you install more roll-outs, more screens, run more 2 tight end formations, heck you could even bring in an extra o-lineman as a tackle-eligible from time to time. It’s as if Haley is trying to proove he can do it his way no matter how much reality interferes. Show some creativity man, this is the NFL!!
Bad team
I agree with all the comments…I tried to be postivie and parience but this is a bad team, bad organization period!
by NFL season ticket holder on Oct 4, 2009 6:46 PM CDT reply actions
Why did you buy season tickets from a bad Organization?
I wouldn’t buy a Car from a bankrupt company. I wouldn’t do business with a company that isn’t going to provide me with the purchased goods. Well the Chiefs are going to play the games and IMO that out of the six home games left they will all be entertaining and we will probably WIN 4 of them.
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
What about the hilarious?
That Jarrad Page flying whiff when Hakeem took it too the house in the 4th was about as funny a play as I can remember.
Give him a break
He had a great play earlier that got a BS personal foul call. Good players whiff too. Flowers blew some coverage on Manningham, you’re not all over him.
Did you see the end of the Cowboys game?
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d813263e0/WK-4-Can-t-Miss-Play-Grand-Marshall
That makes Page look like a probowler.
I'd say that
QB seems to be a big one. Cassel just doesn’t look good, even though I think know he’s better than Thiggy/Huard. The worst part is that I think we’ve improved almost all across the board. That’s how bad we were last year.. UGH. Maybe we can win vs. the Skins? They don’t seem to be as good as everyone thought they were…
Yes. I was thinking the same. I am not ready to judge Cassel
yet. Just because I’m not sure how to judge him behind this line.
Damn, people need to cheer the hell up around here
So we’re sad that we lost to the defending Super Bowl Champions. I wish we would have won, too, but I don’t see the point in being all fire and brimstone about things. There are many things we need to work on, but that is going to happen when you have a young team with a rookie coaching staff. We need better playcalling, fewer drops by the receivers, pass coverage in the middle of the field, better decisions from Matt Cassel, better blocking from the TEs… I could go on. But what is the point of coming on here just to say that the team is terrible and won’t ever win again?
I understand that it’s frustrating to watch your favorite team improve in some areas and take steps backward in others from week to week. Inconsistency is part and parcel of a young team, especially when they are learning a new scheme. But we’ll be a great team again, and it will probably be sooner than you think. Until we get there, though, it will be painful to watch. That said, it’s more fun for me to look at where we got better rather than dwelling on the mistakes and bad plays.
My point is, don’t give up because we’ve lost to some of the best teams in the league (and we beat ourselves against the Raiders). Be glad we don’t have to play in the NFC East! I imagine the tone will get a lot sunnier around here in the second half of the season.
I GET IT!!!
The NFL is doin this to us! They purposely put us with Ravens, Raiders, Eagles, Giants, Cowboys, Redskins, Chargers first so that we get pissed and our team loses all confidence. Who the hell plays all 4 NFC East teams in a row? I dont even think the teams in that division do so.
Bowe and Wade FTW.
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.
Maybe they are doing us a favor.
Making us face the toughest teams first, so that the rest of the schedule seems easy.
But at what cost?
This team probably loses confidence in itself with every loss.
Bowe and Wade FTW.
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.
and it couldn't have been high (confidence level) to begon with ...
considering Haley’s dismissal of Gailey, new playbook, round-robin of players at so many positions and “instant demotions” of just about any player who does something wrong (accountability, you know!)
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
You would like to hope that
being a new GM, Coach, players; that they are taking small positives out of every game and keeping their heads up rather than looking at the big picture of wins and losses.
How much longer must we suffer this though?
Bowe and Wade FTW.
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.
Respectble? Not even close.
Succop and Colquitt are the MVPs. They both did their jobs. Jazzercise performed better than the rest of the Chiefs.
Noticeable at the game:
Jackson, our #1 guy, no tackles!
Our blockers on the outside on punt returns were pathetic.
Oh yeah, B. Wade, two fair catches inside the 10 – what are you doing?
Pass coverage over the middle was poor. Hali tackling wide receivers? C’mon.
Play calling was not good late in the game – Haley find a coordinator.
Wide receivers – if you can’t get separation from the defensive backs, you will be separated from the team. D. Bowe, another of our #1 guys – one catch?
Albert – yes, you are supposed to block that guy who wants to get to the QB.
Chiefs defense – thanks for making Hakeem Nicks the star of the highlight shows tonight.
Yeah, we had a crummy call that hurt us badly. But we had lots of third downs we didn’t convert that would have put us back in the game.
We might be able to beat Oakland, and we can hope Washington lays an egg, but we are looking at fighting Oakland the Rams and the Browns for the top pick.
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