But technically, Haley didn’t fire Ward, just demoted him. He is still a coach on this team in one form or fashion.

I agree, Mr Hunt and Pioli have allowed him to take on too much, too fast. There was talk on Sirius NFL radio about Mo Carthon (sp?) assisting Haley and taking over the OC duties. If not all of them, at least some of them. This would be a great idea and allow Haley to spend more time talking with both sides of the ball.

You seem to have a balanced viewpoint which is hard to maintain as a die hard fan. The Josh write up is amazingly accurate as well.

I don’t agree that we should be asking for Haley’s head yet either. He deserves time to learn and grow into a new position too. However, I don’t think it excuses him from responsibility for his failures as HC this year. There have been MANY suspect calls from him thus far. I hope he gets it because I was very high on him coming here. He was my second vote behind McDaniels.

As far as everyone else on the team goes, well those stats say it all. Here again, is where so many of us are disillusioned. Although we don’t have much in the way of talent, and no one should have expected a great record this season, we do have the right to expect to see significant improvement.

That has been my biggest let down. Not the record. The lack of improvement. I mean here we are with all the new brass and all the shiny new toys on our team and we are almost last in so many categories it’s embarrassing.

I still just don’t get why we didn’t bring in some talent this year. But we’ll have to wait and see what next year brings I guess. Good luck to Pioli and Haley, the Chiefs and all of us fans. I hope we get a winning team out of all this. We deserve it.

But this whole golf conversation is really stupid.

The guy worked his butt off to become a coach.

Period.

And among them is this: just because Haley isn’t perfect doesn’t mean he can’t do the job. It might simply mean that he has more learning to do than we’d prefer.

I didn’t find it surprising that Haley didn’t want Chan Gailey around. It’s completely natural for a guy in Haley’s position to want to have that control. If he had decided back at the beginning that he wanted to run the offense himself, I might have worried that he was taking on too much responsibility for a rookie head coach, or that he was going to need Gailey’s counsel… but I would have understood his decision.

However… dumping your OC days before the opening kickoff can have only one result: chaos. I believe that’s part of the reason the Chiefs have had so much trouble getting the offense on track during the first part of the season. They aren’t alone. There are, in fact, two other teams that dumped their OCs just before the start of the season – Tampa Bay and Buffalo – and they join the Chiefs among the worst six offenses in the league to this point.

If not he should have let him go right off the bat. It sucks we let him go but we keep Clancy. Remember after the last preseason game Haley was asked what HIS offense would look like? He said something like “what you saw in the last (preseason game)game”. I thought he was joking, guess not. Let’s hope after the bye he can start playing to our strengths(like Gailey did), otherwise it’s going to get even worse.

Do we truely have the talent on this team?
Seriously, up and down the roster.
Do we have true game changers? Do we have big play players?
We know we have given up some big plays in games so far. Have we had a big play in any one game? A big play that did not get nullified by penalty.
I am just asking.

For all of you kansas city “fans” that don’t have a lick of patience. Hank Stram sure as heck wasn’t “nice”. Give Todd Haley his time to straighten these guys out. This team needs to be ridden and learn how play hard. Haley is doing exactly what needs to be done. period. Good luck Todd, some of these people in KC are a bigger pain than LJ.

So let’s compare Belichick with the Browns and Haley with the Chiefs.

Belichick was with the Browns from ‘91-’95.

His first year he went 6-10 and every other year was under .500 except:

’94 he went 11-5 and won 1 playoff game and lost against the Steelers.

’91 6-10
’92 7-9
’93 7-9
’94 11-5
’95 5-11

Looking at that stretch of 5 years starting as a HC in Cleveland (without knowing the NE record), what would you say about a HC?

Personally, I’d say he was average at best. Did it take time? Yes.

But here’s some intriguing reminders of the whole scenario:
19-Dec-1995, Akron Beacon Journal

"If the Browns are allowed to proceed with their move to Baltimore, one person who will miss the fans of Cleveland most is… Bill Belichick? Yes, Bill Belichick – arguably the most hated man in Cleveland sports history behind Art Modell "

Why the above quote? Just to remind everyone that a good coach has to have a supporting organization behind them. Modell isn’t/wasn’t the answer. I think most would agree that Kraft is a very good owner. Perhaps that’s what made the difference with Belichick’s success.

Is Pioli right for the organization to succeed? -To early to tell
Is Hunt? -I’d say the vast majority agree that he’s the right owner and has done the right things within his power to this point.

Another one:

15-Feb-1996, Associated Press

“Art Modell needs to find a new coach. Modell, owner of the Baltimore NFL franchise formerly known as the Cleveland Browns, fired coach Bill Belichick on Wednesday…. The Browns went 5-11 last season, losing seven of their final eight games after Modell announced his intention to take the franchise to Baltimore…. In a statement, Belichick, 43, expressed his gratitude to the Browns organization. ‘This team has an excellent future and I wish them well,’ Belichick said. ‘I will review my options with regard to my future in the NFL.’”

Time people. Give Haley and Pioli time. We have the right owner to support them. We have a GM with an excellent resume up to this point and we have a coach that led an offense to the SB on a team that no one picked to go far last year.

Time. Something that we’ve given too much to many previous Chiefs employees, yet we want to pull pull the rug from under our coach and GM after 7 games.

My take:
GM -5 years to visibly analyse good/bad drafting
Coach -3 years to show marked improvement.

BTW, have you have dine at SUSHI HOUSE in Leawood?

I look for the chiefs to try and get Romeo Crennel as D C and if N D fires Charlie Weis he would be a perfect OC.

What i dont understand about what Haley sees in his practices is the fact that having a good practice between a terrible offense, practicing against a terrible defense, doesnt mean the team is getting better. Our offense couldnt block moonlight coming through a dirty window at night, and the defense couldnt get through a wet paper bag. So what gives?

in his first 6 games as a NFL head coach. He has it in him but you can’t do much with this talent.

That dont prove anything. Herm won 2 games, and i bet the majority of people know that he wasnt a good coach. All that win said was that on any given sunday any team can win or loose. I like Haley. I think he will be one of the great coaches eventually. Its just that his learning curve is a little larger scoped than i thought it would be.

The problem is they are already two years into discontent.
Take the two years of crap results from Edwards plus two years of Haley getting his sea legs and you have four or five years of feeding at the bottom.
You’ve heard the phrase winning breeds winners, well it is equally or more true that losing breeds loosers.
You spend enough time on the bottom, the chances increase that you stay there indefinitely.

For someone to get a team like Haley got, with the problems we have, I knew it wouldnt be a Miami-esk like turn around. We have a long way to go, and I think Haley is the man to do it. I just hope he dont give up on us the way we are giving up on him.