My October 2009 Mock Draft
At this point, after tinkering with a bunch of mocks, here is my October 2009 ideal mock right now.
First, a discussion of my goals:
- I largely throw out best player available because I honestly have no earthly clue who will be the best player available anywhere. The Draft turns into a mad scramble halfway into the second round. So I projected players to a likely round and made my selection.
- This draft is intended to be a meat-and-potatoes draft, designed to make our trenches that much better. Pioli has eight picks -- five of them go to the trenches, both in offensive line (2) and in pass rushers (2).
- All defensive players were selected primarily by their ability to get into the backfield. I believe you can teach defensive players to play the run -- pass-rushing is much harder to learn.
- Even though the biggest holes on this team may be WR and CB following this draft, I know Pioli will be in the FA market for both.
- This draft is pretty solid in the midrounds with passrushers, so I used that to my advantage.
- This draft also has about three players that are insanely fast but incredibly little. They all are prime targets as kick returners, and will likely be available in the 5th.
- As long as this draft is not a massive bust, I will spend the next two drafts focusing on primo WRs and pass rushers.
- I want four immediate starters, at least one additional eventual starter, and a couple consistent contributors. Of these starters, at least a couple have All Pro potential.
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1. S Eric Berry, Tennessee
I prefer Berry over Mays. Mays is a gifted talent much like LaRon Landry is. But like Landry, I worry that he's just a scheme-changer, rather than a team-changer, if that makes any sense. The Chiefs defense can operate more freely thanks to Mays, but there wouldn't be a complete attitude overhaul like there would be with Berry who I view as an Ed Reed, Brian Dawkins leadership type. Great safeties make phenomenal defensive captains, and I see Berry gripping that mantle as aggressively as possible.
2. C Kris O'Dowd, USC
O'Dowd is just made to succeed in the NFL. Of all my picks, this is pie-in-the-sky material, because there's a good chance a team with fewer needs will go with O'Dowd. I think O'Dowd fixes the biggest problem on our OL: the center. Niswanger was smart, but not football smart. O'Dowd is a smart blocker that anchors well, and won't consistently get shoved back into Cassel's face. If O'Dowd is available at the top of the first, I'd put the Chiefs top priority at obtaining him.
I put considerable effort into upgrading the center and tackle positions because we have zero depth there. The guard position is weak too, currently; Waters has had a rough year and our right guard position has been pathetic with Goff struggling and Alleman not doing much better. However the Chiefs have a lot more options at guard than they do at either center or tackle. Colin Brown and Darryl Harris are both players that have potential. Wade Smith can play either position well enough. Ndukwe hasn't even gotten his chance just yet. So the Chiefs have the tools to tinker there.
2. NT Boo Robinson, Wake Forest
I do not believe the Chiefs would benefit too much from a two-down NT. The best NTs in this league are able to go three downs and are athletic enough to make noise in the backfield, not just anchor well. Robinson is an unusual talent, in that he's nearly 330 lbs and still athletic enough to get into the backfield -- really, he reminds me a bit of BJ Raji. Robinson is not going to be a block of granite type, but he will definitely occupy blockers.
3. OT Gabe Carimi, Wisconsin
Carimi is just a beast of a man (6'8", 320+) and is a renouned run blocker who is swift enough to protect against speedier rushers. I'm not saying he's swift -- he's swift enough. Carimi would start today at right tackle.
4. OLB Dexter Davis, Arizona State
Davis is a pure passrusher, that seems to be all he does. And the Chiefs are shopping for pin-your-ears back types in the midrounds. Davis would be the best of the bunch. A decorated history in the Pac 10 of beating really good offensive lines for double-digit sacks every year. Davis is a lunchpail guy.
5. OLB Daniel Te'o-Nesheim, Washington
Te'o-Nesheim's production has also be consistently good in the very tough Pac 10. I think he's less likely than Davis to breakout, but this is another guy who does nothing else well other than get into the backfield. Could be a pure sack specialist?
5. WR/KR Brandon Banks, Kansas State
Banks is the speed demon I think this team should invest in in the 5th round. The Chiefs need a great kick returner, and the tiny Banks sports 4.2 speed with a 30+ yard kick return average. The rules changing on kick returns means pure athleticism and speed is more important than ever. Banks will pay for himself after a few years of solid returning.
5. RB Anthony Dixon, Mississippi State
A player like Dixon will be a must once LJ is released. Free agency always has a couple guys who can fill in, but if the athletic, 240 lb. Dixon survives this far, the Chiefs would be doing themselves a favor by grabbing him. Charles and Williams will be leading the rushing attack next year, and the Chiefs could use a big guy with a fullback's body who can plow through short-yardage situations.
The new-look Chiefs, assuming everything else stays the same:
QB: Cassel, Croyle, Gutierrez
RB: Charles, Williams, Dixon
FB: Cox
WR: Bowe, Bradley, Wade, Long, Lawrence
TE: Ryan, O'Connell, Cottam
LT: Albert, Ndukwe
LG: Waters, Smith
C: O'Dowd, Smith
RG: Brown, Harris
RT: Carimi, Richardson
DE: Dorsey, Magee
NT: Robinson, Edwards
DE: Jackson, Gilberry
OLB: Hali, Davis
ILB: Johnson, Mays
ILB: Williams, Belcher
OLB: Vrabel, Te'o-Nesheim
CB: Flowers, Carr, Leggett, Washington
S: Berry, Brown, McGraw, Morgan
K: Succup
P: Colquitt
LS: Gafford
KR: Banks
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Nice Mock Direckshun
If I could change something, I’d go interior lineman with one of your 2 5th rounders.
Probably wouldn’t start day 1, but could provide some depth behind Brown and Waters.
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by craig in calgary on Oct 29, 2009 6:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
NO WAY!!!
GOTTA go with Taylor Mays!! think how intimidating to have him and Page as our two safeties! And don’t tell me he’s gonna get moved to LB, let that 4.4 speed cover people and tee off on fools rather than slow him down with getting chipped by linemen!!
CHIEFS TO DRAFT USC’S TAYLOR MAYS #2 WITH 1ST PICK OF 2010 DRAFT!!!
by spencercole2 on Oct 29, 2009 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, but no.
Mays is a good deep safety, but doesn’t make plays on the ball in the air, takes horrible angles, misses tackles due to trying to make HUGE hits. Watch them play Berry can hit, Berry makes better angles towards the play, Berry can play the ball in the air and return it for a pick 6.
by BAMFSpecialOps on Oct 30, 2009 2:40 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
I like the Berry pick for #1 better too. I also can’t wait to see how Colin Brown will do on the right side. The so-called pundits fail to mention that he’s on IR and well regarded coming out of Mizzou
by Smoothkaos on Oct 30, 2009 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm guessing you mean "top of the 2nd"
If O’Dowd is available at the top of the first
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Oct 29, 2009 6:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I like some of your picks
Not sure that I’d take 2 OLB… might change one of those to an OG
Also, you’re counting out O’Callaghan at RT… he’s played well
Boo could be a steal, and I don’t think there’s much of a dropoff from Cody to him, if at all.
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Oct 29, 2009 6:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
One OLB is sufficient...
Just one to replace Vrabel. I would almost look real hard at a WR in the 2nd. I like getting a top notch Center with one of them but the other 2nd round pick is very important. It could make or break us. We cant afford any bust in this draft especially with our first 3 picks…..they have gotta be top of the line guys that start immediately.
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Oct 29, 2009 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
agree 100%
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Oct 29, 2009 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Need depth/versatility
Drafting two OLBs in 4th & 5th means they’re probably developmental rather than starters, don’t know that you wouldn’t be better off taking another OLB in 2011 and replacing with a RB/WR, which is the biggest hole I see in this mock. My mock has us taking two OLBs in 1st two rounds to try and make sure we’ll get at least one that can bring pressure.
Daniel Te’o-Nesheim is 4.90 in the 40 which seems too slow for OLB…think he’s a pure DE. Incidently, the OLBs you picked (& the OLBs I picked) don’t meet the “Patriot” profile of an OLB, 6-4, 4.5 forty.
by Kane on Oct 29, 2009 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think there are always going to be quality veteran LBs available in FA.
Other teams think the way you do, and end up with a good young LB and a good veteran wanting to get paid. KC can PAY a good LB less than they can pay a great FA CB, for instance… And a GOOD FA LB will set you up short-term, while you see what develops from your mid-round LB selections over time.
Frankly, if your team is built right, you can get away with a LOT of that kind of thing, to the point where one of your mid-round prospects is the starter, and you’re just continuing to work the middle of the draft all the time for RB, LB and interior OL. Go after OT, DB, WR up near the top and down near the bottom, because the likelihood of a mid-round WR making an impact (where impact players are essential, not just a luxury) is tougher, imo.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 29, 2009 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
On further review, I'm not at all certain as to whom I was referring by "you" in my comment.
Time to turn in?
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 29, 2009 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
IMO
we need linebackers’s and o-line guys, yes it would be nice to get a wideout, but noway we pick WR over o-line or linebackers IMO.
by CPT.Caveman on Oct 29, 2009 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think DBs and another NT - one drafted or acquired for that single purpose - would do more.
Just keep workin’ the middle rounds and FA for LB and looking for impact players at DB and DL. I think it’s the intangibles (football IQ, leadership, character) that’re more important than one more step of quick at LB. A great LB is no substitute for poor line or perimeter play, but great line or perimeter play can make a good LB seem great.
That’s not to say I’m not a great admirer of great LBs. But to me, they’re the RBs of the defense, and you don’t want to sink all your coin into a great one, only to see him struggle and be injury-prone, because your big guys aren’t handling THEIR big guys. Going for the high-profile LB before your D-Line is SET is a recipe for LB bust.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 29, 2009 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
To replace Vrabel
Or to replace Hali and move Hali to the left side?
by BAMFSpecialOps on Oct 30, 2009 2:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've heard a lot of good things about Berry
But do you REALLY see taking a Safety in the top 3? Has it ever happened before?
Goes to do research
by ChiefDJ on Oct 29, 2009 7:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If you can play like Ed Reed
I would pick you 1st overall….no doubt.
Game changer. Playmaker…..they dont grow on trees.
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Oct 29, 2009 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is no such thing as a sure thing.
Just because someone says he plays like Ed Reed does not make him the same player nor does it guarantee he will be good.
Here is what I found.
In the last 30 years, only 4 Safeties have been chosen in the top 10. The highest was Sean Taylor of the Redskins who was picked 5th. Michael Huff with the Raiders was 7th.
I just don’t know that you can justify a pick that high on a Safety when there are so many core positions that we need help with.
by ChiefDJ on Oct 29, 2009 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
pretty decent chance the Chiefs draft 5th-ish
And, I think this is the type of player that changes a whole defense.
Pioli doesn’t care as much about “normal” top 5 draft picks (see T-Jax)… but he does care about getting the best player for the Chiefs
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Oct 29, 2009 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No guarantees for anybody
Maybe he won’t be as good as Reed/Polamalu, same thing applies to whoever you choose in their place. I would not take Berry in the top 3, though.
by Kane on Oct 29, 2009 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would RUN to the podium to draft Berry
even if KC had the #1 pick
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Oct 29, 2009 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that is falling in love with a player and not using common sense
Safety is not that important a position and the draft is a crapshoot. Nobody has any idea if that guys success in college will translate to the pros. Using it at a position that is not highly valued just seems like gross mismanagment of the pick if you ask me.
by ChiefDJ on Oct 29, 2009 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know what you're saying... BUT
what other player is “more worthy” of a top pick?
Pioli has shown that he’ll take his guy, even if he’s not “predicted” to go at that point in the draft
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Oct 29, 2009 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
furthermore...
Suh may be the #1 player in the draft, but if he doesn’t fit the system/need (and I’m not convinced that he does) Pioli won’t take him.
Okung MAY be a top LT, and worthy of a high pick… but if he and Berry are both available, I think it’s a VERY tough decision
other than that, it’s all QBs at the top of the draft board, and the Chiefs don’t need that.
So, “love” or no love for a player… Berry is probably the BEST player in the draft at A Position of NEED for KC…
the fact that “safeties usually don’t go high” is irrelevant.
3-4 DEs that aren’t dominant pass rushers “usually” don’t go at #3
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Oct 29, 2009 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
HEY
Okung, Suh,or Berry would be great pick’s IMO. I also woundn’t be surprised if we trade Dorsey next yr.
by CPT.Caveman on Oct 29, 2009 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trade Dorsey and draft Suh? They are the same player
by T-Rich on Oct 29, 2009 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not a great judge of 3-4 DE.
But it pretty much looks to me that it takes a doubleteam to keep him from pretty much going where he wants to. With the way the overall D is struggling, it’s easy to say Dorsey’s a 4-3 DT, who doesn’t belong at DE, but you can already see that with Edwards, they now have a group of 3 that takes 4 or 5 hats to move out of the way.
I think Edwards plays with good awareness, and pretty good physicality. But I want a NT who’s one of the first guys mentioned when I turn on a Chiefs game.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 29, 2009 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
But we dont have Dorsey playing NT now do we,… We have him playing DE, so we need a true 3-4 NT.
by CPT.Caveman on Oct 31, 2009 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not usually don't go that high.... NEVER go that high
Its early. Thats why I don’t pay much attention to college football at this time.
Once the scouts start reviewing footage and studying players, guys that were at the top of the list will fall way down and guys you weren’t even aware of will climb way up.
Barry Richardson is a perfect example. This time the year he was coming out everyone wanted him for a late 1st or 2nd round pick. But his draft stock plummeted over the months and he ended up a 6th rounder.
Just because right now there doesn’t appear to be a top end pass rusher doesn’t mean there won’t be by the time March or April come around.
by ChiefDJ on Oct 30, 2009 6:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is that a good thing or a bad thing?
If they aren’t a good pass rusher now then usually hype just makes them the next “can’t miss” guy….Vernon Gholston…
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by woodman212 on Oct 30, 2009 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That doesn't mean its a smart pick
Pioli does not have a flawless history as a talent evaluator. He’s had his share of busts.
I don’t watch a lot of college football this time of year. I don’t really start paying attention to it until December when the scouts have had more time to weed out which guys are legitimate good players and then I start watching them for draft purposes.
But in general, you don’t draft guys just because they’re there. My rule of thumb if you are picking in the top 5 is you are looking at Left Tackle, QB or a pass rusher. Those are elite, impact positions that are worth the spot.
HOWEVER, you don’t take a guy at one of those positions JUST BECAUSE. In this situation, we have Albert who I personally think is going to be a great Left Tackle and the top LT in the class, from what I have seen of him, is from a gimmick offense and is not elite at the position. So I don’t take him just because he’s a LT.
by ChiefDJ on Oct 29, 2009 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed...
So, who do you take?
I don’t see an “elite” pass rusher at the top of any mock drafts.
LT is a maybe
Suh deserves to be there, but he’s not a great fit
Berry may be the best overall player in the draft this year… IF you get a chance to get the best player in the draft, and it’s a player that fits your system.. you get them.. period.
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Oct 29, 2009 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"IF you get a chance to get the best player in the draft,"
You mean like Aaron Curry?
by ravenhawk on Oct 29, 2009 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
or Glen Dorsey
yes
:)
Actually, Curry is a great example.
Typically, a linebacker that’s not an elite pass rusher isn’t a top 5 pick… but Curry was touted as a “once in a decade” linebacker.
Just like Berry may be a once in a decade Safety
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Oct 29, 2009 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Every draft has "once in a decade" players
Curry is ranked 63rd in tackles.
Its not as though he’s proven anything yet.
by ChiefDJ on Oct 29, 2009 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
but, the point is that it’s not unreasonable to think that Berry and/or Mays will be top 5 or top 10 picks this coming year, given their talent level and rating
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Oct 29, 2009 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Teams make stupid picks all the time
Just because someone drafted Curry that high doesn’t mean it will prove to have been worth it.
Maybe he does live up to the hype, maybe he doesn’t.
In the end, it doesn’t matter where guys are picked. Curry could be the next Derrick Johnson and meanwhile Zach Thomas was a 5th round pick.
by ChiefDJ on Oct 29, 2009 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yet Pioli decided to take a pass on Aaron Curry.
Picking up Curry makes much more sense than than picking up Berry or Mays in the top 5.
Don’t get me wrong, I think that both will be elite Safety’s. I just don’t think that we will pull the trigger on draft day.
by ravenhawk on Oct 29, 2009 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't know if your a Pioli "hater" but this
Pioli does not have a flawless history as a talent evaluator. He’s had his share of busts.
is true of every single player evaluator in the league and therefore not a relevant criticism of him.
Air Cassel - approved for takeoff
by kabrink on Oct 29, 2009 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wasn't criticizing him
I was saying that just because Pioli picks a guy that does not follow the conventional wisdom as far as where they are drafted (such as Tyson Jackson) does not mean that he knows something every other talent evaluator in the NFL doesn’t know.
Pioli is known as a good personnel guy, but that encompasses more than his drafts which have been pretty mediocre.
by ChiefDJ on Oct 29, 2009 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
understood..
but, in trying to predict what the Chiefs might do…
you have to assume Pioli will be Pioli
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Oct 29, 2009 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pioli proved that theory by passing on Curry.
Talent wise and numbers/combine wise, Curry had Tyson beat badly…..but Tyson fit our system and Curry didnt.
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Oct 30, 2009 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
filling holes
I do not look at the draft that way as who is worthy of a top 5 pick… i look at it as what is my biggest problem ..? and i think it is the line both sides of the ball and if I had to use the whole draft to solve those problems I would… does not matter who you have in the backfield on offence or defence if the line does not get the job done ….
just as good OL can make a Qb or Rb look like a all pro same applies on defence a good DL can make DB’s and LB’s look good
by Battle AXE on Oct 30, 2009 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Safety is not that important of a position?
lets examine last 10 super bowls:
2009 – Troy Polamalu (losing team of cardinals had Adrian Wilson a top tier safety.)
2008 – Giants don’t have a big name safety but with that d-line come on
2007 – Bob Sanders
2006 – Troy Polamalu
2005 – Rodney Harrison
2004 – Rodney Harrison
2003 – John Lynch (And Dexter Jackson MVP with two interceptions)
2002 – Rodney Harrison
2001 – Ed Reed
so in the last 9 years only one year did the winning team not have an emotional and physical leader as a safety. A great roaming safety that can intercept the ball or deliver a crushing hit is very important to a top notch defense.
by ChiefsfanJon on Oct 29, 2009 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup. Well played
Exactly why I’m doin’ the Eric Berry leg hump
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by Buck'O on Oct 29, 2009 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sheesh.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 29, 2009 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lol
well…
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by Buck'O on Oct 29, 2009 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn
Down dog :)
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 30, 2009 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm disappointed that mine was the only rec you received.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 31, 2009 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do the same list with quarterbacks. Or any other important position. Want me to do those lists?
by T-Rich on Oct 29, 2009 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did I miss any other important ones?
1970 – Len Dawson
Air Cassel - approved for takeoff
by kabrink on Oct 29, 2009 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not necessarily important
2001-Trent Dilfer
by TDubb on Oct 30, 2009 1:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes but where were those guys drafted?
Polamalu – 1st round – #16
Bob Sanders – 1 round – #44
Rodney Harrison – 5th round – #145
John Lynch – 3rd round #82
Dexter Jackson – 4th round – #113
Ed Reed – 1st round – #24
You do not have to have a high 1st round pick to get a good safety. They are like linebackers. You can get them all over the draft and they can become great players.
The position does not require and elite athlete.
by ChiefDJ on Oct 30, 2009 6:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
1st round has 44 picks?
lol
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by woodman212 on Oct 30, 2009 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Berry may be worthy
But GMs don’t want to expose themselves to criticism/do unprecedented gambles, like taking a Safety 1st round.
by Kane on Oct 29, 2009 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
safeties in the first round are not
necissarily big gambles
and not that rare
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Oct 29, 2009 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I corrected myself, not with a top 5 pick, I could see Pioli reaching at five, but not before
by Kane on Oct 29, 2009 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hear ya
but, I didn’t think he’d “reach” for Jackson at 3… but he sure did.
I think he takes the #1 player on his board, regardless of position, IF that player fits his team
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Oct 29, 2009 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
One thing we really don’t know about Pioli is what his evaluation of a player is…we do know he went to the MU/Neb game and, if I had to put money on the main reason for going, it would be to check out Suh.
by Kane on Oct 29, 2009 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't put it past him to trade Dorsey and pick a guy like Suh
Though I would be very disappointed if he did that.
by ChiefDJ on Oct 29, 2009 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
Not only is it a step backward in development time, as has been discussed but it’s also just a real bummer for us fanatics. Instead of getting an additional shiny new toy, we only got to replace one!
Air Cassel - approved for takeoff
by kabrink on Oct 29, 2009 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I still think Dorsey will become a great player
But they have him in the wrong position.
by ChiefDJ on Oct 29, 2009 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm becoming a believer in a Dorsey trade,
even though I have a ton of respect for him. But I’d still like to see KC solidify NT before cutting ties with him. To date, I get the sense that he’s playing a little tighter to the inside than he’d have to, with a more dominant NT in place. Edwards is getting it, but I kind of think he’d be a GREAT depth player behind a more dominant NT, and I’m not so much thinking Dorsey has a great outside move, but I’d like to see how he’d play RDE with a CONSISTENT upfield push from NT. Might redound to Hali’s game.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 29, 2009 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please dont take him serious
He already admitted that he just listens to ESPN for info.
OHANA!
by darwithabar on Oct 30, 2009 3:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I suppose you sit around all year watching tape of every college football game to evaluate it yourself?
Don’t make me laugh.
Every person on this board may watch a couple games a week out of the hundreds that are played and we aren’t sitting there breaking down every Senior or Junior on the squad while we are watching.
Every person here watches ESPN, NFL Network, reads over the various draft sites on the internet to come up with who will be good players to draft. Most people wouldn’t know more than the top 10 star athletes in college. or our favorite teams.
So don’t act like you’re out there scouting all the teams yourself and coming up with some kind of elite list that no one else knows about. You’re getting your info from the same place everyone else is.
by ChiefDJ on Oct 30, 2009 6:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
Dont worry about that…If you get your info from a buddy at work or your actually a pro scout….it dont matter. Its your opinion and thats all it is. We cant tell Pioli who to draft. All we can do is think about who we would like to have on our team.
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Oct 30, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually....
I dont go Scout a bunch of teams but I do watch film in the Film Department, You can also go to You Tube to get alot of footage. I dont think ive ever been to a draft site to find players. I may have went to see who they had the Chiefs drafting, Usaully that end with me leaving a comment telling them “No Way The Chiefs Draft LaFell @ 3” Also, I dont watch ESPN that much and I ecspecially never watch NFL Network. Sometimes I watch Jim Rome, Or a Game thats on. The Reason I cant take you serious DJ is because of stuff like this. When You say you wouldnt draft Eric Berry in the top 5, Bottom Line is, He will go in the top 5. If we pick 5th we might not get a chance to draft him. You would rather take a player 1/2 as talented in Okung, Then a Player with amazing talent and still hasnt hit his ceilding. I dont get it. I dont care who the Chiefs take to be honest, I just hope they dont draft a player with less talent because he fits a bigger need. Thats how franchise bury themselves. I would be happy with the BEST player on the Board regardless of Posistion as long as its not a QB. If its Suh Take him, If its Berry take him.
OHANA!
by darwithabar on Oct 30, 2009 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whats with the hostility?
Because you ACT like you know lots of stuff, but you admit you only watch the highlight reel on You tube. Talk about one sided data!
Eric Berry is a clincher for being drafted in the top 5 eh? You do realize that only one safety in the past 30 years was drafted in the top 5 (Sean Taylor, #5 overall with Redskins) and that only 4 in the last 30 years have been picked in the top 10.
I don’t claim to know a lot about Berry. Unlike SOME people, I don’t pretend to know things I don’t. All I’m saying is that historically, Safetys do not get picked in the top 5 of the NFL because the position does not require top 5 talent.
And you also don’t read posts.
I never said we should draft Okung, one of the college players I HAVE watched, in fact I SAID I WAS AGAINST IT BECAUSE HE IS NOT AN ELITE LEFT TACKLE.
by ChiefDJ on Oct 30, 2009 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here you go again
You just said that "All I watch is the you tube highlight reel which is not what I said.
You do this everytime. You have problems. I said YOU could go to you tube, not all I do is watch you tube. lol
OHANA!
by darwithabar on Oct 31, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe a little hostile.
But I generally agree with what you’re saying.
What’s cool about AP is people get their info ANY which way, share it, and, if they’re off the mark, somebody else frankly, firmly, and friend-i-ly sets the record straight. I especially like when somebody’s research disagrees with what someone else’s eyes tell him, from watching the player in question. Those random tidbits really strengthen the knowledge base, and we’re not even hardly tryin’. I especially like the “eye-witness” comments, when the witness fleshes out their observations with things like “I saw him matched up against Crabtree in such-and-such game, and this is how it went down…”
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 30, 2009 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
When I say "a believer" it means I'm no longer dismissing a Dorsey trade out-of-hand.
On the facts I have, I’m still not advocating such a move, but until the d-line is dominant, I’m not stuck on keeping ANYbody.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 30, 2009 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
just going to see a player
doesnt’ mean you’ll pick him though. Seeing them is part of an evaluation process that has a yes or no at the end of it. And, it’s situational right? It’s about being prepared to pick players that might be available at the position you will end up drafting at. So, see a lot of players you’ll never actually draft. obviously
Air Cassel - approved for takeoff
by kabrink on Oct 29, 2009 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, but
Yes, but after seeing Suh, Pioli raved about him. But is Pioli just feigning interest? Hm…..The plot thickens.
by Nick Britt on Oct 29, 2009 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
and why do we think Suh can’t play NT in our D.
we didn’t think Dorsey and Hali could either.
Now if we could stop that damn long play on 3rd and long, which we beget a secondary guy :)
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 29, 2009 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait wait wait
Hali can NOT play NT?! jk
If you watch Suh play on most snaps he is taking on double teams which is the key to a NT, but IMO he’s still a 3-4 DE guy to me.
by BAMFSpecialOps on Oct 30, 2009 2:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Steve meant position switching as a general proposition.
But I agree that someone who grades out as a potential NT AND a potential DE probably has too much ‘tween in him to either job the way it should be done. And I don’t think KC is going to spend another high pick on a 3-4 DE any time soon, unless Dorsey struggles with injuries or something, or begs out of his contract. But I think the LSU d-line mafia prob’ly think they have a good thing going, and dig being together.
I’m for a TRUE NT. Being compared to BJ Raji would lose such a player some of my interest. I want the NT to play STOUT in a relatively small area. The minute I hear about how much ground the guy can cover, I’m looking at somebody else. Flush Haley’s running program for the big men down the toilet. I want a mutant sumo.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 30, 2009 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was just jokin with the earlier post
I agree with the TRUE NT, BJ Raji was compared a lot to Ngata, which is a huge comparison. Ngata is the exception to the rule of TRUE NT he has the weight/skill to play any Dline position<new trade idea DJ/2 from kc to Balt for Ngata!>. There isn’t a guy coming out that is close to Ngata in terms of skill, Raji isn’t even close IMO. If we could get a huge blocker eater the whole defense would turn around.
by BAMFSpecialOps on Oct 30, 2009 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I take great d-linemen VERY seriously.
I could have a team with 6 pro-bowlers on the d-line depth chart, and you’d STILL have to shake some sense into me, if a Julius Peppers fell to me on draft day. Step aWAY FROM THE podium. Hands on top of your head.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 31, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cleveland, Detroit, Washington, Carolina, Buffalo, St. Louis, and Oakland
All teams that could finish below us this year. Who’s to say we’re picking top 3?
Plus Berry and Mays re phenomenal athletes and when your a phenomenal athlete rules don’t apply (See Aaron Curry)
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
by 808NaNz808 on Oct 29, 2009 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
blammo
right on, nanz
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Oct 29, 2009 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I even left out Tampa Bay for the off chance Josh Freeman makes something of that mess
but I doubt it
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
by 808NaNz808 on Oct 29, 2009 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Washington has more wins than KC. Oakland has more wins than KC. Carolina has more wins than KC. And Buffalo has more wins than KC. How do you assume they pick ahead of us?
by T-Rich on Oct 29, 2009 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not assuming
Each one of those teams has a mess on their hands, they might be able to turn it around or might just collapse.
by BAMFSpecialOps on Oct 30, 2009 2:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They COULD finish ahead of us
But I think you give the Chiefs too much credit. They are every bit as bad as those teams.
by ChiefDJ on Oct 29, 2009 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
your seriously going to start touting other teams to defend your point?
we can go back and forth but ultimately niether of us will know the draft order until draft day. All I’m saying is there are worse teams that have proven they are far from compteting. Of the seven teams we’ve faced this season four of them were playoff teams (Phili, Baltimore, New York, San Diegio) and two of them were a game or two away from reaching the post season (Dallas, Washington)
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
by 808NaNz808 on Oct 29, 2009 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with ChiefDJ, unfortunately.
We could talk all day about how Team X is struggling, but it’s another matter entirely to put the 1-6 Chiefs above ANY of ’em.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 29, 2009 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not touting anything
I’m just saying the Chiefs are as likely as any of those teams to be drafting in the top 3.
by ChiefDJ on Oct 29, 2009 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We are going to beat Buffalo that creamed us last time we played
Cleveland will probably use 2 Crib returns to end us this year
Oakland we had beat and didn’t finish
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 29, 2009 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't put KC above Buffalo, right now, for all THEIR problems.
They’re still capable of getting more things right than KC seems to be, especially against a team that gets so very little right on its OWN account, I’m sorry to say.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 29, 2009 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uh I meant Buffalo is better than Chiefs right now
We should beat Cleveland BUT we should of beat Oakland.
Damn I wanted to pick 7 or higher, the SD game just made me realize we ain’t getting there this season
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 29, 2009 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cheer Up
There could well be 8 teams with four wins or fewer. Our strength of schedule at the mo would probably put us last in that bunch.
by Kane on Oct 29, 2009 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well
it came down to a coin toss for us last year, if i remember correctly
by TDubb on Oct 30, 2009 1:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Coin toss follows when strength of opposition is the same
Right now, KC’s strength of opposition winning % is like .532, quite a bit higher than it was in 2007 (I didn’t look at last year, but assume same thing…Rams & KC strength of opposition was the same).
by Kane on Oct 30, 2009 6:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Coin toss
and we were so bad last year we even lost that
by Battle AXE on Oct 30, 2009 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cleveland, Detroit, Washington, Carolina, Buffalo, St. Louis, and Oakland
Are all better than the Chiefs with the exception of St Louis
by FrankPitts on Oct 30, 2009 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The way the league is trending, more and more people around the league are seeing the importance of S.
McDaniels didn’t mess around. Had great corners and STILL wanted another great DB to solidify it. Built on a STRENGTH, and it’s had profound results.
Polamalu’s missed time this season highlights this even more. Polamalu basically has the entire CB toolkit PLUS the entire S toolkit. And didn’t Vermeil want Polamalu over LJ? Was that during the Reggie Tongue and Jerome Woods self-deception era? I forget whose careers were when. Cunningham inherited some great DBs, but, other than James Hasty, I can’t think of one great one that came in during his tenure, and I think his defenses showed that.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 29, 2009 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes but he didn't go spend a high 1st round pick on a Safety
He went out and got a veteran.
by ChiefDJ on Oct 29, 2009 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point. And I haven't addressed "top 3," either.
No matter. I’m sanguine about what it might look like to others. If you don’t have dominant perimeter players, and you can’t trade your (likely) #3 or #4 pick, I think 1st round for a great perimeter player is fine.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 29, 2009 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I'm not against doing it in FA, either.
To me, it’s just a question of how you get the most out of all the “bets” you’ll be laying, in toto. Individual choices might appear out of line, but the idea is to assemble the most talent across the board that you can, and not wasting your energy on “I hope” picks, just because it’s the best player available at your position of greatest need, or just your favorite position with which to tinker (King Carl and RBs, for example).
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 29, 2009 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In a 3-4 defense, look no further
than Pittsburgh and Polamalu or Baltimore and Reed for how valuable a safety is. However, a 3-4 is very prone unless your big 3 up front hold up and they have to be BIG to keep the LB’s freed up. So it’s a toss up to me on whom to select first by position because without a great and BIG NT, a great OLB, and a great Safety, there will be holes. Just see where the chips fall and I do agree that those QB’s will dominate the top 10 in the draft so perhaps the Chiefs can move down a few spots and get another pick or two to get a great NT, OLB, or Safety further down and better value for the money.
by Smoothkaos on Oct 30, 2009 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ed Reed and Troy Polamalu were 1st rounders at safety but I dont know if they were top 3.
And you never know, STL, TB, Cleveland, Tennessee, Carolina, Detroit and Oakland may all be fighting us for those top 3-5 slots.
I'm officially on the 'Draft Eric Berry' train.
Haley-Crennel 2010.
by scottbwalters on Oct 29, 2009 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know of any top 3 picks used on a Safety,
including Reed and Polamalu.
by ravenhawk on Oct 29, 2009 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably few at corner.
Fittingly, those are more often LT or QB picks.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 29, 2009 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was Dale Carter a top 10 pick?
Sorry that just got me thinking… I know he was a 1st rounder.
Linebacker is another top 5 pick.
by ravenhawk on Oct 29, 2009 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
linebacker is not a top 5 pick unless its a dedicated pass rusher
You get good linebackers all over the draft board.
by ChiefDJ on Oct 29, 2009 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ed Reed was 24th overall, Polamalu was 16th
Im not saying no Safety in the first round ever. Just saying that its pretty tough to justify picking one that high.
by ChiefDJ on Oct 29, 2009 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah that 16th pick on Polamalu, where did the Steelers get that?:)
LJ really screwed up this time, he has had many chances, suspend him for the season, keep him out of Chiefs facilities.
by Eric Allen on Oct 29, 2009 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
jackpot on that one
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Oct 29, 2009 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you're picking top 3
You know you’re not going to have any realistic chance of trading down, you grab Suh if he’s available, and if not, probably the best LT.
by Kane on Oct 29, 2009 7:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If you take Suh
What are you going to do with Dorsey?
by ChiefDJ on Oct 29, 2009 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought Suh was much bigger than he is!!!
Height: 6-4 Weight: 300
by ravenhawk on Oct 29, 2009 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
keep dorsey till suh developes...
then trade dorsey. this may take a couple of years but we should still be able to get a good pick for him and be able to carry both of their contracts.
by MountainManMike on Oct 30, 2009 3:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we need to be drafting
Starters at areas of real need – not backups at positions that we’ve already filled.
Air Cassel - approved for takeoff
by kabrink on Oct 30, 2009 8:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Still need to draft for depth. But not 1st-round, for sure!
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 30, 2009 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
YES!!!!
A top 10 pick for a bench warmer!
by BAMFSpecialOps on Oct 30, 2009 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or Jackson
You take the best player. You need depth, but I wouldn’t like to see either of those #1s in that position, I’d probably trade one of them, package with a 3rd maybe for a 1st?
by Kane on Oct 29, 2009 7:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I have said this before, but here it goes again.
We need to build the offense first, if you cannot score, you have no chance anyway. We need all the o-line help we can get Niswanger is not the answer, Waters is getting old, why is Goff even playing, there are three spots right there. O-Line, o-line, o-line.
LJ really screwed up this time, he has had many chances, suspend him for the season, keep him out of Chiefs facilities.
by Eric Allen on Oct 29, 2009 7:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
3 positions that can be taken in the 3-6th rounds
by ChiefDJ on Oct 29, 2009 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That has not worked out real well as of late,
I know Shields, Szott were both late round picks, but I think they might be the exception, not the rule. Those first rould d-lineman are really paying off aren’t they.
LJ really screwed up this time, he has had many chances, suspend him for the season, keep him out of Chiefs facilities.
by Eric Allen on Oct 29, 2009 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
round
LJ really screwed up this time, he has had many chances, suspend him for the season, keep him out of Chiefs facilities.
by Eric Allen on Oct 29, 2009 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
darn button
If you can’t evaluate talent O-line talent, it doesn’t make a difference what round you pick them in.
But historically, you find Centers and Guards in the 3rd- 5th rounds and they can do very well. They are not elite skill positions. You just need a big guy that has a nasty streak in him that can get down and dirty.
by ChiefDJ on Oct 29, 2009 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed, but o-line needs to be more of
a priority in the past, not saying we have an elite defense, but they can get some stops.
LJ really screwed up this time, he has had many chances, suspend him for the season, keep him out of Chiefs facilities.
by Eric Allen on Oct 29, 2009 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hear what you're saying
And I agree.
But I think it would be easy to overreact to the huge problem with the O-line and ignore other positions that need help too.
Every position has an appropriate place to draft in. A team like the Steelers that has fewer holes than we do can afford to splurge on a Guard or Center in the 1st or 2nd round. A team like the Chiefs though, if they could fill those positions adequately in the 4th round and use that earlier pick on a position where the improvment in talent is much greater, then they will be better off long term.
It isn’t necessary to draft every guy on the offensive line and plan on them being a career starter there. You want to upgrade what we’ve got. Then a couple years later you can upgrade it again and on and on until we get to the point that we are like the Steelers with so much talent that we can afford to splurge a high pick on an elite player at a non elite position.
by ChiefDJ on Oct 29, 2009 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
With our new Zone gap O-line
We don’t need Big nasties but fleet of foot and great technique
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 29, 2009 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Willie Roaf was all the above,
and a first round pick. Just saying when the o-line is so important, why risk it on later round picks. Not every early round pick is a hit, see the Johnsons on our team, but a better chance of a hit.
LJ really screwed up this time, he has had many chances, suspend him for the season, keep him out of Chiefs facilities.
by Eric Allen on Oct 30, 2009 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's a point I might make.
You might miss on that high 1st rounder, but you know that guys like Roaf are so rare that NOT spending that high a pick virtually guarantees marginal-at-best results.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 30, 2009 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didnt think Roaf was a 1st rounder...
I guess I was wrong
OHANA!
by darwithabar on Oct 31, 2009 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shift to zone-blocking scheme gives you a better shot at
developing a left tackle, assuming you have one in place, already – without spending a 1st-rounder or high-dollar FA to fix an existing problem.
I think the Chiefs have their left tackle, and are unlikely to use a #1 on tackle to improve the o-line.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Nov 1, 2009 11:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yep.
BTW, Colin Brown and Barry Richardson MIGHT still develop into good players, along with Ndukwe and Alleman and Wade Smith… that’s at WORST very good depth…
Ideally, they find at least one or two new starters from that group, leaving less holes to fill through the draft.
But, again, i’d draft a Center, for sure, in the 2nd-4th rounds… just get the BEST one out there that can start on day one.
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Oct 29, 2009 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep, it all starts up front.
You can run, or pass once everything is solid upfront.
LJ really screwed up this time, he has had many chances, suspend him for the season, keep him out of Chiefs facilities.
by Eric Allen on Oct 29, 2009 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And score!:)
LJ really screwed up this time, he has had many chances, suspend him for the season, keep him out of Chiefs facilities.
by Eric Allen on Oct 29, 2009 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm OK with that, stag.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 29, 2009 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it's more a matter of just being serious about the position group,
and making damn sure of it, with the draft, FA, or whatever. If you can do it in the draft, GREAT. If you’ve failed to do it in the draft, you go after Willie Roaf!
But it’s better to have a great D and a sucky O than conversely, in THIS Casey Franz’s eyes. Most would disagree, but I’d much rather take the PRIDE of other teams’ offenses and grind it under my heel than score a lot of pretty points and then roll over for the OTHER guys’ offense.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 29, 2009 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Vermeil/Robinson model(TM)?
Air Cassel - approved for takeoff
by kabrink on Oct 29, 2009 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A lot of fans think it's more fun to watch their offense score points.
I sorta got apples and oranges transposed and juxtaposed.
If you want offense, you just nail the o-line. But leaving nothing to chance on o-line should come after leaving nothing to chance on the D.
I get more joy from TFL and 3-and-out than 1st downs by the offense. Most folks like seeing their team score points more than anything else. But if you’re gonna lose, make it because the other guys eked out a 50-yard FG after a lucky long kick return and a lucky first down.
Besides, I’d rather have the defense all pissed off at the offense for not scoring than have my offense prancing in front of the cameras, while everybody shakes their head at my pitiful defense.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 29, 2009 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, I understand
I meant that the Vermeil/Robinson model is the one you don’t like. High flying offense, suck ass defense.
Air Cassel - approved for takeoff
by kabrink on Oct 29, 2009 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can address both, but
if you cannot get the ball across the fifty yard line, you are as good as done anyway. Right now we can get key stops, but cannot move the ball, the defense is on the field way to much.
LJ really screwed up this time, he has had many chances, suspend him for the season, keep him out of Chiefs facilities.
by Eric Allen on Oct 30, 2009 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno.
Vermeil wanted Polamalu, as I recall. And I think in his early days, he was known for fielding some tough Philly defenses. Only thing I question about Vermeil was his price tag in picks and the additional picks he spent for Priest and Trent, much as I love those guys. (I’m questioning my memory on trade compensation for Holmes ‘n’ Green, now. That did take one or more draft picks, didn’t it?)
And although I can’t prove it, I’m not so sure that Cunningham was all that interested in seeing Vermeil succeed after he himself had failed, and been reduced to working for the guy who had the job he lost.
And I’m not so sure I had a problem with Robinson. Who’d he have to work with? Ray Crockett, drawin’ social security?
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 31, 2009 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bravo Mills
That is what I want to see. Tooth and Nails “D”
Scoring quick is like quick sex, not very satisifying.
Make it worth the wait and effort.
Sorry listening to Meatloaf, kinda leads to that kinda thought :)
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 30, 2009 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, you're right
But you don’t typically draft any O-Line in top 10 except LT, and we may be set there.
by Kane on Oct 29, 2009 7:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If we do draft a LT in the top 10 we could fix our offensive line.
Draft Russell Okung as our LT??? Move Brandon Albert to the LG position. Brian Waters as our center. Nuduckwe as our RG, and O’Callahan as our RT.
2nd round we need a NT and possibly a LB.
3-5th round we can draft for depth at the offensive line and Special Teams.
by ravenhawk on Oct 29, 2009 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is no elite Left Tackle in this class
Okung is nowhere in the neighborhood of a Jake Long, much less a Joe Thomas.
I’m much more comfortable with Albert than taking a guy from a spread offense in college. How do you even know if the guy can run block?
by ChiefDJ on Oct 29, 2009 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's what I'm talkin' about.
Don’t go after LT in the 1st unless it’s a sure thing.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 29, 2009 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What happens once they goes into the pros is inconsequential to the draft
Because we are not seeing the guys that are going to be drafted next year playing in the pros now. All you can go by is what they did in college.
by ChiefDJ on Oct 30, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Waters isn't going to Center, IMO
the Okung/move Albert theory is plausable, and I like Ndukwe and O’Call
but, I’d draft a top Center, no doubt.
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Oct 29, 2009 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Depending on whom is available...
I might pull the trigger on a Center in the 2nd round.
by ravenhawk on Oct 29, 2009 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If there is one thing....
If there is one thing I have learned from following the NFL Draft and the Chiefs — if there is a player I want we don’t draft him.
by Nick Britt on Oct 29, 2009 7:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey
I thought that only happened to me!! lol
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Oct 29, 2009 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just hope you don't like Berry.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 29, 2009 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You left S Page out...
Do you think he is gone next year?
by xfatdannx on Oct 29, 2009 7:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He's the best FS on the roster.
We’re pretty sure that doesn’t mean much…
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 29, 2009 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree completely on Saftey/Defensive Leader with our first pick in the draft
I don't want no Yo-Yos
by AK_47 on Oct 29, 2009 7:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Your New Look Chiefs
I don’t know enough about these guys to speak to your picks. However, I certainly hope next year’s team looks a lot different than that. I assume you are simply inserting your draft picks without addressing other changes from FA pickups etc.
Air Cassel - approved for takeoff
by kabrink on Oct 29, 2009 7:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Whats with this what you want for Christmas Direckshun?
What about us little people and our wants?
j/k nice post :)
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.
by Lanier63 on Oct 29, 2009 7:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
After we draft Berry
Would we not have to reign this guy?
Козацькому роду нема переводу
by craig in calgary on Oct 29, 2009 7:56 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
LOL Dingle...
I remember a bunch of chiefs fan being excited about him
OHANA!
by darwithabar on Oct 30, 2009 3:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn :)
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 30, 2009 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Our 1st round pick will be Suh if he's available
Dorsey will most likely be traded for a late first or an early second, DJ will go for a later round pick, Waters will also be gone for a later round pick.
If he’s available on Day 1 of free agency look for wilfork and and the dude on shrooms that the raiders traded for to be at the top of our list to sign.
With our seconds, I expect a NT, OT, possibly C or G
ilb most likely sprinkled in there somewhere with a similar draft to the one you have oulined.
by mcclanahanman on Oct 29, 2009 8:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't see it happening
Dorsey is here to stay, which means Suh is not the pick
IMHO
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Oct 29, 2009 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hahahaha
oh…. it’s not a joke.. oh then.. nicely put
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
by 808NaNz808 on Oct 29, 2009 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
dj is a free agent after this year so i don't see us being able to trade him
and suh will not be picked by kc
Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day.
Harry S. Truman
by kcguy on Oct 29, 2009 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
DJ
is a restricted free agent after this season…….
by mcclanahanman on Oct 29, 2009 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Suh
Fits a DE mold better than Dorsey does
by mcclanahanman on Oct 29, 2009 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if you say so
based on what, i don’t know since they’re about the same exact size (suh is a couple inches taller) also, one thing about dorsey is he’s an ascending player and if you let him go for suh, you are going to take a couple steps back, at least initially, maybe longer, until he learns the pro game. so i’ll say it again. suh will not be drafted by kc
Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day.
Harry S. Truman
by kcguy on Oct 29, 2009 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Especially not after they also spent the 3rd round pick on Magee.
The next piece for the d-line puzzle is NT of the future.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 29, 2009 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
still can't trade him. if he gets signed by someone else, then they will owe us compensation
Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day.
Harry S. Truman
by kcguy on Oct 29, 2009 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly guys....
I am more excited for the draft than the rest of the year…I have already accepted this will be a gut wrenching year and i just want to get better already!! With how deep this next draft is and with Berry and Mays coming out and all the LB’s, IM STOKED! I’m also pretty excited with what we are going to do with our players (DJ, Waters, LJ, Dorsey).
Good write up Direckshun…But on the bottom of the list you don’t have Page listed as one of the Safeties…?
by Wrestler189s on Oct 29, 2009 8:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Would anyone take a flyer on Sam Bradford if he was available at the top of the second?
could be a killer value
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
by 808NaNz808 on Oct 29, 2009 8:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Before the season
I wanted us to pick Tony Pike as a sleeper in the 4th, two things changed Pike will be gone by the middle of the 3rd round, and we have way too many needs to draft QBs.
by Kane on Oct 29, 2009 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't like O'Dowd, too tall (6-5) and injury prone
and they need a WR in the 2nd and an OLB who can cover
by FrankPitts on Oct 29, 2009 8:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Before drafting an OLB who can cover,
they need to get a DB who can cover.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 29, 2009 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Draft Curry
How many mock drafts do we need BEFORE THE BYE WEEK? The fuck are we going to talk about in the offseason?
"What?!?! I aint no Obama for the weed!"
-Turk McBride
by HIV 2 Elway on Oct 29, 2009 8:57 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Excuse me? Offseason? WHAT offseason? There IS no offseason!
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 29, 2009 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not about predicting exactly who we're going to pick
It’s about bringing attention to guys that the Chiefs may have their eye on. And knowing who they are when you see them on TV on Saturdays.
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by Chris Thorman on Oct 29, 2009 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's premature and there are FAR too many for this early.
"What?!?! I aint no Obama for the weed!"
-Turk McBride
by HIV 2 Elway on Oct 29, 2009 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The repetition helps ME, HIV.
I don’t follow college ball at all. As a college professor, I’m boycotting the game until they start compensating college players fairly. I think they should at least pay ’em subsistence, allow them to take classes part-time, including any remedial classes they need, plus 4 years free ride scholarship after they play out their eligibility. I see too many young men come up through the ranks, who fall FAR short of a quality liberal arts education, because the culture is such that they please others and themselves most by valuing academics the least.
Give ‘em 4 more years. That’s my mantra: 4 MORE YEARS! 4 MORE YEARS! 4 MORE YEARS! Seriously, give them schooling as their fulltime job, without a 30+ hour-a-week job. And it’s not just the practice time. It’s all the formal and informal functions that people expect these celebrities to attend. Everyone wants to see them, be near them, and make a fuss about them, and taking an extra 5 minutes to autograph your gloves, and just visit with an adoring fan is gratifying to fan and celebrity.
Give ‘em four more years after their knew blew out and they know they ain’t gonna be pro players, with the added benefit of a small number of remedial courses that they got through the RIGHT way, rather than the EASY way (and with plenty of time to spend, only taking one or two remedial courses, if that’s what they need).
Heh. What were we talkin’ about againi? Somebody wound me up like a toy soldier and carelessly left me careening across the tabletop unattended. Obviously.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 29, 2009 11:35 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
There is more than enough repetition once the season is over. For now there are actual games.
As for the, “I’m boycotting the game until they start compensating college players fairly.”
You really don’t think players at SC, Texas, Florida, Ohio State, Oklahoma, and any other top program aren’t paid? I wish I was as naive as you.
"What?!?! I aint no Obama for the weed!"
-Turk McBride
by HIV 2 Elway on Oct 29, 2009 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think if you tracked 'em, though,
you’d see more of these “communication” or “sociology” or “psychology” graduates working in factories and car dealerships than in engineering firms.
They enjoy privileges they wouldn’t, otherwise, but are they really on the fast track to high-paying jobs. And many of them need MORE time for learning (often catching-up) than many of their peers, and they are actually given less free time to actual do any academic learning.
As a teacher, I just see too high a percentage of athletes come through the pipeline, who don’t take their education seriously, and by the time they DO, they have the rug pulled out from under ‘em. I’d rather reward their “specialness” with a much more generous educational benefits package, and it puzzles me that this sort of thing isn’t the norm.
The fact that it is not the norm says that the institutions are much less interested in benefiting the scholarship athlete than in the benefit the athlete brings to the institution. And, to a man, these athletes are placing their bodies on the line for our pleasure. I just don’t understand how student athletics plays out for the student athlete in the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th-tier schools (which are plainly the best quality institutions at which such as I could hope to gain employment.). They treat their courses like a joke, and strut around campus, rulers of all they survey, while the portly and balding Athletic Director rakes in an easy 6 figures.
No. All or most of the pressures are anti-intellect, no matter how proud the institution is for their tutoring program and the hours logged by their athletes with 1-on-1 tutors, where they’re learning to read while they’re ALSO in college-level courses they’re not qualified to attend. They just pile it on the kids who have remedial deficits, rather than let ‘em play ball, get the remediation they need on a time line and a time management line that’s supportable, rather than abandon them if they get hurt or play out their eligibility, whichever comes first.
Also, you’re talking about the elite programs, but
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 30, 2009 12:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow! Great thread, Mills!
But I’m serious about the remedial stuff. No point in ANY college-level stuff until they’re reading at college level. Nothin’ wrong with the 3 R’s if you lack them. In fact, they’re the FIRST thing that oughta be covered, and all too often aren’t. And all the rest of the talk about good intentions and graduation rates means nothing, when it’s clear to me that a lot of the kids I see are missing 1 or 2 of the R’s, and often all 3.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 29, 2009 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heh. Punk.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 30, 2009 12:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and you were sheesh-ing me earlier :P
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
by Buck'O on Oct 30, 2009 12:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
While I rec'ed you.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 31, 2009 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well I do appreciate that mills :)
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by Buck'O on Nov 5, 2009 10:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It really is amazing
I never really believed the stereotypes before seeing it for myself, but one of my good friends in college (a Division 1-AA school no less) was assigned to share a dorm room suite with a couple of the football team’s linemen. One of the guys would sometimes ask for help with editing his papers, and it was shocking to see that he couldn’t write a comprehensible sentence. I mean he’d misspell simple 4-5 letter words so badly that you couldn’t even tell what he was trying to say. I liked the guy and felt bad for him (he was a really shy, nice dude), but I don’t understand how a guy who couldn’t write at the 5th grade level could end up enrolled in a mainstream university. My guess is that he had some sort of learning disability but was allowed to pass through the school system by his teachers…he was a small town guy so there probably weren’t too many help resources available. Anyway…I agree, I don’t see how going to university classes can be of any benefit to someone who can’t even read the coursework or do basic assignments.
by jmcgoblue on Oct 30, 2009 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tilting at some windMills :)
We do need to remember these are 20 somethings.
That is why I feel the same about our Military there 20 somethings.
With a whole lot of living and learning and possibly Great things to add to
what people are really all posible of doing ie our Future
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 30, 2009 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what about...
trading down from say #5 pick to #8 or #9 and acquiring another second rounder? this draft is deep in talent and you may be able to get a team to move this year. Especially a team with money in a possible uncapped year. I love Berry but I’d love 5 picks im the top 70(our first, 3secons and our third)!
1 guy in top 5 isnt going to save this team(see dorsey and jackson). I’d love to see a possible 2010 free agent list. where can i find one?
David Janssen
KC Chiefs Fan
by Mr J on Oct 29, 2009 10:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
a second rounder to move down 3 or 4 spots?
That’s pretty steep compensation.
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
by Buck'O on Oct 29, 2009 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't get me wrong
If Pioli is that good then I’ll be a happy man!
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
by Buck'O on Oct 29, 2009 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
last year
Cleveland traded its first-round selection (5th overall, used to select Mark Sanchez) to the Jets for the Jets’ first- and second-round selections (17th overall, traded to Tampa Bay, who selected Josh Freeman; and 52nd overall, used to select David Veikune),
David Janssen
KC Chiefs Fan
by Mr J on Oct 29, 2009 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
again...
Cleveland traded its first-round selection in 2008 and a second-round selection in 2007 (No. 36, later traded to Philadelphia, who selected Kevin Kolb) for Dallas’ first-round selection in 2007 (No. 22, used to select Brady Quinn).
David Janssen
KC Chiefs Fan
by Mr J on Oct 29, 2009 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it happens.
fine i’ll take another third.
David Janssen
KC Chiefs Fan
by Mr J on Oct 29, 2009 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would too ;)
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by Buck'O on Oct 29, 2009 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
free agent browsing
LB’s- demaco ryans, thomas howard, kirk morrison and dare I say mr. merriman? 2 are Raiders and 1 a charger. Always an incentive to grab a guy from division rival who has revenge on his mind. Doubt raiders let both of thsoe young guys go. Merriman is 26? is that right?
DT- Wilfork!
OG- Daryn Colledge
RB-Lendale White (fatty)
WR-Breaston. He’s restricted but worth watching him and Boldin situation due to Haley’s connection
TE-Ben Watson
Safety- Antoine Bethea or Sean Jones or Ko Simpson
Obviously not expecting to go crazy in Free Agency but imagine 2 of these guys filling some of the voids along with 3-4 more starters from draft.
NEEDS: 1. OL (OC, OG, reserve OT) 2. LB’s (plural) 3. NT 4. Skill Positions RB, WR, TE 5. Safety
David Janssen
KC Chiefs Fan
by Mr J on Oct 29, 2009 10:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If Mankins & Wilfork aren't protected by NE
I’d bet Pioli will make a strong run at both of those guys. Get Mankins to plug the RG spot & Wilfork to take over NT, then we can address C, RB, LB, KR/WR and S early in the draft and we may actually have the foundation for a solid team next season.
by jmcgoblue on Oct 30, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here here
lets bring this MOB back into order.
Wilforks are in order all hail the Wilforks
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 30, 2009 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boo Robinson..
Every media outlet I’ve looked at has the guy listed at 295 pounds, not sure where you come up with this 330..
IF the Chiefs draft a safety, they don’t have a front 7 good enough to allow for a Mays or Berry to be a roaming ball hawk. Those guys will have to cover and will not be able to just merely stand out there and play center field nor always be able to jump routes..
The strength of your run defense is NT, ILB, ILB.. You argue against a 2 down NT, but 1st and 2nd down are pretty important.. The most important position of a 3-4 is the NT position, its the anchor and everything else has success or failure off that NT player..
You can also bring in different ILB’s, but that fact remains the same.. If the NT isn’t a pretty good or dominating player in the middle, the ILB’s won’t be protected and freed up to make tackles.. Right now, Ron Edwards isn’t playing the A gaps consistently, gets blown off the ball more times than not, and a good majority of the big run plays come right up the middle.. A safety isn’t going to fix that, not when your NT is getting pushed 2 and 3 yards off the ball by the center, the guards, and the fullbacks are blocking the ILB’s..
Another thing, just because a guy weighs 330 pounds or more, does NOT mean he’s going to be a good NT.. Its one of the hardest positions to secure a quality player for.. It takes a guy that not only weighs a ton, but is agile, strong, and even athletic.
by Warpaint69 on Oct 30, 2009 6:24 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes, need a NT
But that does not mean you have to take him 1st round. Boo Robinson is more of an undertackle, but there are other prospects available in 3/4 rounds that would do nicely…If we draft in the 10th or later, whether by trade or miracle 2nd half, I wouldn’t be surprised to see them take Mt Cody, but doubt if they draft him if Berry or Suh is available, and think it less likely the higher you go in the top 10…
by Kane on Oct 30, 2009 6:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
3/4 round NT's
Please list these prospects.. As I said before, just because they are big doesn’t mean they have what it takes.. These guys that play NT and are good at it are hard to come by,
by Warpaint69 on Oct 30, 2009 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't hit reply, I guess
see answer 10:22 below…
Here are some prospects evaluated as NT talent…
Cam Thomas 6-3 328 DT/NT Sr North Carolina 5.18 6-7
Jeff Owens 6-1 304 DT/NT Sr Georgia 4.98 2-3
Al Woods 6-5 314 DT/NT Sr LSU 5.16 6-7
DeMarcus Granger 6-3 306 DT/NT Sr Oklahoma 4.98 2-3
Kade Weston 6-5 325 DT/NT Sr Georgia 5.28 FA
Phil Taylor 6-4 355 DT/NT Jr Baylor 2
Kendrick Ellis 6-5 340 DT/NT Jr Hampton 2-3
Taylor must’ve moved up…
by Kane on Oct 30, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why do I want a Fireplug with 4.98 speed :)
I want an immobile asshole with some fire in the Belly :)
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 30, 2009 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
speaking of that How is Boone Doing?
http://www.nfl.com/players/alfonsoboone/profile?id=BOO264860
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 30, 2009 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree they're hard to come by
I have no problem with Mt Cody, but I would really, really hate to take him with a top five pick, esp. if Suh is available. Picks 5-10, Berrys probably a bigger impact player Pick 11 and you don’t have any excuse not to take him unless you go OLB…
by Kane on Oct 30, 2009 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Suh..
Why would the Chiefs trade Dorsey, pay him his guaranteed money in one big lump?? Then draft Suh and then pay him a signing bonus and more guaranteed money? 3-4 DE’s if they get sacks is icing on the cake, your lucky if those guys get 3 sacks a year.. What team is going to step up and offer even decent compensation to get him? Right now the Chiefs are setting at the #4 or #5 based on the standings.. I don’t see Suh making it past the Titans or Bucs if the draft were today.. The Titans sorely miss Haynesworth and the Bucs defense cannot stop the run..
Looking at your list, which I asked for 3/4 round prospects, pretty slim pickings considering your lumping guys into a big pile claiming to be NT’s.. None of these guys are listed as NT’s on the draft sites I’m looking at.. You also have juniors listed that haven’t even declared.. Its incredibly difficult to guage a 4-3’s DT into being able to play the NT position..
Kendrick Ellis- Junior
Phil Taylor – Junior
by Warpaint69 on Oct 30, 2009 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why
Because they think Suh is the second coming of Richard Seymour possibly. All statements are predicated on Suh’s availability. The Titans are in need of a QB, doesn’t mean they’ll pass on Suh, also don’t know if they’ll outperform KC down the stretch. I’m not even going to address the Bucs, I imagine the same things will be in place. If they do draft Suh I expect them to trade one of our #1 DEs at some point, probably Dorsey since he isn’t ‘their’ guy. I didn’t create that list, a “scouting expert” did. I have no idea whether Pioli will agree with any or all of those evaluations-Pioli doesn’t use National or Blesto, so its kind of difficult to predict.
If Phil Taylor doesn’t declare this last year of the CBA, he will probably go in 2011 in a draft position comparable to Mt Cody. I agree 100% on the difficulty of projecting a DT to Nose. I based that list off someone who does pay attention to such things, he could be right, he could be wrong. I kinda think KC won’t be in a position to pick Suh or Berry, in which case I hope they are in a position to trade down to pick up Cody or Sapp or Everson and pick up additional picks later in the draft.
There are stories among the punditry that Pioli/Haley “don’t like” Albert at LT, if so, they may go in that direction, I would prefer to see them build up the D with elite players like Suh, Berry, Cody, etc. We’ll see.
by Kane on Oct 30, 2009 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We already have the second coming of Seymour
Remember spending last years #3 overall pick on Tyson Jackson?!
by BAMFSpecialOps on Oct 30, 2009 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
um
I can’t believe anyone comp’d Tyson to Seymour. He was just the best 3-4 guy available.
by Kane on Oct 30, 2009 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
actually, they were
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Oct 30, 2009 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pioli said repeatedly
That Tyson Jackson is not like Richard Seymour he is more in the build of a Ty Warren to anchor the line and do his job.
by ChiefsfanJon on Oct 31, 2009 2:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There are similarities.
We’ll see just how fast the kid can play. Massive player, who could tackle a freight train if it wore a jersy and he could hook a finger in it.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 31, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no way is there no QB in the top 5
way to much talent this year that none of them go in top 5.
by Leaf on Oct 30, 2009 11:38 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Phil Taylor – Baylor cuurentl projected at 4th round
Thomas out of NC I think projected in 4th as well.
by Kane on Oct 30, 2009 12:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The 2010 draft and Pioli/WR in 2nd?
….Will be the very first hint as to whether it was he or Belichick with all of the personnel smarts. I don’t think Haley has that touch yet but feel as a disciple of those guys he will develop the talent.
As far as taking a WR in the 2nd, I disagree because I think this years crop of WR is very deep and more than a few taken in the lower rounds will develop into serviceable talent
by Smoothkaos on Oct 30, 2009 1:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
'Spoon in late 1st to mid 2nd for OLB
I would LOVE to get Sean Weatherspoon. The guy is good sitting back in coverage and anticipating reads and has a high motor, mean streak and hits HARD, and absolutely never takes a play off. In the 2nd half of the MU-Tex game, the guy was still playing hard getting an INT a sack and getting into the backfield for 3 TFL. 8 solo tackles for the game. Never gives up even in a blowout.
by Smoothkaos on Oct 30, 2009 2:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
May have to get him in the mid 1st actually
by Smoothkaos on Oct 30, 2009 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great draft but, id change three of your picks
2 Von Miller OLB
2 Charles Scott RB
3 Mike Johnson G
4 John Estes C
Everything else looks good IMO..
by Kcbiggyblue on Oct 30, 2009 8:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ideal offseason in my opinion.
LT- Albert, Wang
LG- Waters, Smith
C- Walton, Alleman
RG- Iupati, Brown
RT- O’Callaghan, Ndukwe
TE- Ryan, Pope, Cottam
WR- Bowe, Wade,Bradley, Long, Lawrence
HB- Tate, Charles, Williams
FB- Cox
QB- Cassel, Croyle, Gutierrez
DE- Jackson, Gilberry
DT- Wilfork, Edwards
DE- Dorsey, Magee
OLB- Hali, Davis
ILB- Spikes, Mays
ILB- Foote, Williams
OLB- Vrabel, Norwood
CB- Flowers, Carr, Leggett, Washington
FS- Berry, Johnson
SS- Page, McGraw
K- Succop
P- Colquit
KR- Banks, Charles
PR- Banks, Wade
Round 1- S- Eric Berry
Round 2- our pick- ILB-Brandon Spikes
Round 2- Atlanta pick- G-Mike Iupati
Round 2- DJ RFA pick- OLB- Eric Norwood
Round 3- C- J.D. Walton
Round 4- RB- Ben Tate
Round 5- OLB- Dexter Davis
Rount 5- WR- Brandon Banks
Round 5- OT- Ed Wang
Round 6- FS- Robert Johnson
I am almost positive that Vince Wilfork is a Chief next year.
Assuming we got 2 5th rounders one for thiggy and one for Tank.
I believe we put a second round tender on DJ and someone grabs him for his potential.
Sign Larry Foote, he only signed a one year deal with Detroit and he is experienced at inside linebacker in a 3-4.
Bold is for a draft pick Italic is for a free agent.
by ChiefsfanJon on Oct 31, 2009 4:58 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
hmm
i put depth chart then moves but yeah.
by ChiefsfanJon on Oct 31, 2009 4:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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