After Suspension, Chiefs Can't Keep LJ Away With Pay
by Joel Thorman on Oct 29, 2009 8:44 AM CDT
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PrintMike Florio of Pro Football Talk explains a little more clearly the Kansas City Chiefs options with Larry Johnson following his one-game suspension.
A lot of us have wondered if, following his suspension, LJ can be just be asked to stay home with pay, which would effectively keep him out of the facility with his potentially toxic attitude.
This is an option. However, LJ must agree to it. The problem is that it might not make much sense for LJ to do this.
If he's cut from the Chiefs following the suspension, he'll get the remainder of the money due to him this season AND he can sign with another team receiving another pro-rated contract from them. Per John Clayton of ESPN, multiple teams would be interested in LJ if he were cut so you would imagine he's interested in just being released from the team.
Plus, LJ may not want to sit for half a season at age 30 then look to sign with a new team. He's still likely looking to show he can play so he can score another contract, however short that may be, and he needs to be on the field to make that happen.
If LJ is not interested in staying home with pay for the balance of the season, the Chiefs can not require him to. The precedent in this case is the 2005 incident with the Philadelphia Eagles and Terrell Owens. If you recall, T.O. was suspended four games for conduct detrimental to the team then was asked to go home for the rest of the year.
The revisions to the 2006 CBA extension changed that loophole.
Yesterday, Adam Schefter of ESPN said releasing LJ is an "unlikely option" right now. The reasons laid out above are why it may not necessarily be best for the team to outright cut LJ at this point. And, Schefter was correct yesterday when he reported LJ would not play against the Jacksonville Jaguars next week so we're going to listen to what he has to say.
So, basically the Chiefs can deactivate LJ for the season, which would save them his per-game roster bonus, let him play (with pay) or release him (with pay).
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So...
So if I understand that correctly, the bottom line is…it looks like LJ’s plan is working out pretty well so far. Right?
Nah
I’m pessimistic about Clayton’s report that multiple teams are interested in LJ. Statistically speaking, he hasn’t had a good season since 2006 and just called out his coach and used racist slurs. Really….is anyone that in need of a RB? They’re a dime a dozen.
by Joel Thorman on Oct 29, 2009 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions
I think Clayton's right, there are numerous teams that would take a chance on him
Because he would be cheap (KC would carry most of his salary) and LJ would be motivated to be on his best behavior and play well to help himself going forward. I would think teams like the Browns, Lions and Bucs would see little downside to bringing him aboard. But those teams might not be appealling to LJ. But some teams that are battling to make a move and believe they have coaches and the team leadership to keep LJ in hand, at least for this season, might be interested. I think the Steelers (trying to get a consistent ground game), Bills, Cowboys (why would Jones be bothered by LJ?), Packers, or 49ers might be willing to bring LJ in for cheap and see if he has anything left in the tank. They wouldn’t have to rely on him, but it would give him the best chance to make a mark and help them make the playoffs. Worst case scenario – the Chargers. I wouldn’t think that as likely, but it’s possible. LT didn’t help his cause against KC.
Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read. - Groucho Marx
"I would think teams like the Browns, Lions and Bucs would see little downside to bringing him aboard."
Those are the teams that I think would be least interested in bringing him on board. Unless you’re contending for a division title, why would anyone want LJ on their team?
Maybe one of the contenders you mentioned would look at him.
by Joel Thorman on Oct 29, 2009 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions
I think lots of teams would at least consider him, and the contenders very much so
If KC cuts him LJ will be desperate to get on a team and make a mark this year. That’s why I think he would hold out for a contender. But I think the three teams I mentioned would also be interested. Mangini needs to get some offense for the Browns and Lewis isn’t going to be able to make it happen. LJ would look quick compared to him. The Bucs because they could use some more running game to help protect their QBOTF Freeman. The Lions for the same reason.
Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read. - Groucho Marx
I'm just saying
and have been saying -
Patriots
Eagles
If LJ is out in the market. Teams that focus what a player does on the field – how he can contribute to the team on gameday. I will be that for all the trouble LJ has gotten himself into while with the Chiefs, he’d be a model citizen for his next team. Likely, it’ll be a team that contending.
Predictions as of 06.24.2009.
Larry Johnson will be a top 3 fantasy pick once again in 2010 (after a monster season in 2009.)
Dwayne Bowe will be a 2009 Pro Bowl selection.
Brandon Flowers will have at least 6 INTs in 2009 season.
Todd Haley will have a sideline shouting match caught on TV yelling at one of his asst. coaches.
by 58 was my friend on Oct 29, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions
I dunno about those teams having any interest.
Steelers, Bills and Cowboys don’t need another RB. They’ve all got solid starters and depth. Lions, Packers or 49ers might take him as a backup, but all three have entrenched starters. Browns or Bucs, maybe….but dude is below 3 y.p.c., and that’s gonna keep teams away just as much as his attitude.
The Manny Ramirez to Dodgers
Its gonna be similar to that. Let Boston pay his salary while Dodgers reaps the benefit of Manny’s services.
I think every LJ hater in KC loves that idea of LJ running for another team thats more competitive while the Chiefs pay it.
Predictions as of 06.24.2009.
Larry Johnson will be a top 3 fantasy pick once again in 2010 (after a monster season in 2009.)
Dwayne Bowe will be a 2009 Pro Bowl selection.
Brandon Flowers will have at least 6 INTs in 2009 season.
Todd Haley will have a sideline shouting match caught on TV yelling at one of his asst. coaches.
by 58 was my friend on Oct 29, 2009 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Sorry to nitpick but...
Yes we do need a RB, and they were homophobic slurs last i heard, unless of course he said something about white people, hispanics or asians that im not aware of.
Cry Havoc! And let slip the Chiefs Defense of War!!!
by nateforchiefs on Oct 29, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions
I think he did say some rather irksome things about KC and its suitability for a black person
Or am I getting that wrong?
Regardless, that was a few years ago, and I think you’re right that Joel meant “homophobic” in this particular thread.
by burntorangehorn on Oct 29, 2009 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Schefter & Clayton...
both believe there is a market for LJ if he’s cut. I don’t think there’s much reason to be pessimistic as all signs seem to point to LJ garnering interest from at least a few teams. Teams rarely seem concerned with bad-character players in the NFL. If he stinks, you can cut him and forget about it; if he’s great, everyone forgets he’s a bigot and you look like a genius.
by mynameistyler on Oct 29, 2009 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Just sayin'
No one’s touching Pacman or Matt Jones and they’ve got problems. Plus, they seem to be more talented on the field than LJ right now (short and long term).
by Joel Thorman on Oct 29, 2009 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
It would be a mistake to put him back on the field.
Can you imagine the booing that will be going on? The home field advantage is pretty anemic the way it is. A few more boo birds and empty seats won’t help the image of the team at all.
I remember Dawson to Taylor, Kenney to Carson, and Blackledge catching the snap in his facemask. Seen it all...
The Chiefs may be better off to keep him
But that doesn’t mean they have to play him. #rd on the depth chart would send the message while not getting the team into hot water with the league. I’ll let the powers that be make that call, they know more about how this all works better than I do.
is it me? or isn't about time the Lamar Hunt trophy belonged to His team?
I’m a Chiefs fan Dammit and I’m damn proud of it!
This line doesn't make sense:
“And, Schefter was correct yesterday when he reported LJ would not play against the Jacksonville Jaguars next season so we’re going to listen to what he has to say.”
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next week
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
But at least at the mall...
…LJ jerseys are always suspended. From hangers.
by RDOGuy on Oct 29, 2009 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
They also had #72 & #88...
I don’t buy them any more,every time I do something bad happens.
by idahochieffan on Oct 29, 2009 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Hmm, I'd be up for a #88.
Tony is a guy whose jersey I’d still want, and I’m not one easily given to purchasing jerseys (there’s no good time to wear them, except maybe gamedays). Right now I just have two: Derrick Johnson Chiefs jersey, and Vince Young Longhorns jersey.
by burntorangehorn on Oct 29, 2009 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions
I have #88...
I got #31and right after that “lights out”.I got #88 for xmas last year and we all know what happened after that. So I’ll just stick to hats,shirts and other stuff like that.
by idahochieffan on Oct 29, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Unless you want someone to leave the team, right?
I agree. I will never by a jersey of an active player in modern day sports. I saw my friends a few years ago put a Chiefs bar in his basement and spend all kinds of money on TG and J. Allen jersey’s and autographs.
by vincent2668 on Oct 29, 2009 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions
And a #54, 64 and 79
Those guys deserve some karma afterall they’ve put Cassel through.
About the Chiefs: I'd rather be a realist than a pessimist
by Red N Gold Beast on Oct 29, 2009 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions
I would've chipped in to get you a jersey in, say, spring 2006
Probably both #27 for KC and this one:
by burntorangehorn on Oct 29, 2009 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions
the curse of the jersey purchase...
I’m with you on that. Doesn’t seem like there are any buyers for my Andre Rison, Mike Maslowski, Tamarick Vanover or Priest Holmes jerseys. I finally just bought a Derrick Thomas jersey because he won’t be stealing cars anytime soon.
"the Chiefs and their fans, well, we're a family..."
by KCitian on Oct 29, 2009 12:22 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Put him on the PUP
Preferably Unable to Perform
by bakerlee on Oct 29, 2009 9:36 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Or deactivate him.
In which case you neither have to cut him or play him or pay him. He made this a money issue, so the reasonable punishment is to (similarly) make it a money issue.
“You don’t stop my paychecks. LMAO! So ‘tweet’ away!”
Nope, the twit(terer) didn’t stop his paycheck. But, that doesn’t mean that his bosses can’t.
"Put the douche on the deactivated list"
That’s fine for Haley but what about LJ
What douchiness has Haley displayed?
I mean, I disagree with some of his decisions, like holding out DJ when he’s clearly worth playing, but Haley and Pioli are overhauling what was a really terrible roster. You expected a quicker turnaround? I wasn’t. It was unrealistic to expect more than about four or five wins this year, and less was actually likely.
by burntorangehorn on Oct 29, 2009 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions
Something tells me you would've been in favor of firing Belicheck a few years back
by burntorangehorn on Oct 29, 2009 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Your point is noted, except...
Belichick took a 3-13 Browns team to 5-11 in his first season. And yes, his first Patriots team did drop from 8-8 to 5-11 in his opening season. But did Belichick ever fire his OC 10 days before the season opener… go for it on 4th and 1 from his own 41 when trailing 7-0 in the first quarter… or pick up a DL who hadn’t played a down in six years?
Like every Chiefs fan, I’d very much like to see Haley succeed, and I know it’s going to take some time to turn the team around. But some of the stuff I’m seeing disturbs me.
What I'm saying:
The head-hunting is premature.
I absolutely despised Pioli and Haley’s picks of Tyson Jackson, and I wasn’t really impressed with the Magee, Williams, and some of the other picks. I was apparently one of the few on here who firmly opposed giving up a first-day pick for Matt Cassel. But even after all those things I didn’t like, I think it’s folly to call for Pioli or Haley’s head less than halfway through the first season.
by burntorangehorn on Oct 29, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Frank Pitts is just one
Have you not seen the numerous people calling for him to be fired? It’s been pretty prevalent on AP.
by burntorangehorn on Oct 29, 2009 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions
i agree it's ridicules to call for there heads
but what’s wrong with giving up a 2nd for a very possible franchise QB not to mention Vrabel. and i was pissed about the Jackson pick too, but you start to build on the lines
Right
Because with the same players and a different coach…we would be 6-1. Right?
It's easy for people to put the blame on 1 person rather than 53 others.
Putting blame on the coach is the easy way out, rather than looking at the complete problem. You can point fingers at everyone from the owner down to the players if you really want to be critical. For that matter, you can also point fingers at previous GM and coaches.
If you want to make the argument that players are doing bad due to poor coaching, then you can also make the argument that Haley is doing bad because of poor talent.
You make Haley head coach of Indy this year and they are more than likely still undifeated and everyone would be talking about how great of a young coach he is.
by vincent2668 on Oct 29, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions
or you get cower in here
and we are still 1-6 but no one would think twice about calling for his head. i hear ya loud and clear man.
i'm sorry i ment to say
“no one would even think about calling for his head”
i need sleep. i obviously can’t post properly. :p
Make him
return kicks and play fullback
by Cassel is a west coast pretty boy on Oct 29, 2009 9:46 AM CDT reply actions
Not return kicks
Let him cover kicks.
Козацькому роду нема переводу
by craig in calgary on Oct 29, 2009 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Why?
If he doesn’t want to do it, he won’t do it.
You see what Brandon Marshall did in practice? That’ll be LJ during the game. He’ll walk down on coverage while everyone else is running.
Then they can suspend him again for "Conduct detrimental to the team"
…and thats more game cheques out of his pocket.
Козацькому роду нема переводу
by craig in calgary on Oct 29, 2009 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Exactly
I’d love to see him suspended without pay for as much of the season as possible. The guy is simply undeserving of another KC dollar.
by burntorangehorn on Oct 29, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Nice username!
The problem with LJ at fullback would be that he blocks like Mariah Carey. Put him on punt- and kick-coverage ONLY.
by burntorangehorn on Oct 29, 2009 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions
I think the situation here is doing something with LJ
that sends the correct message to the rest of the team.
1. I really don’t think money is an issue for the Chiefs
2. If you sit him for the rest of the year…LJ and his attitude are still around the rest of the team for the rest of the year.
3. If you release him and he still gets his money and you send a message to the rest of the team that all you have to do to get out of KC is act like LJ.
What LJ goes onto do…I really don’t care. I just want action taken that makes the correct statement to the rest of the team. I’m not sure what that is?
True
The Chiefs are really in a no-win situation regarding LJ. And he’s going to get paid, no matter what.
I’d release him, personally. Haly and Pioli have said that they only want players here who WANT to be Chiefs. Time to prove it. I wouldn’t worry about sending the wrong message to the team. If anyone else doesn’t want to be on this team…then they can follow him out the door as far as I’m concerned. Right or wrong…that’s how I see it.
Yeah, but he still gets to hang around the locker room and the other players
while all the while, being a bad influence to all the young players
I don't think the options are exhausted by "keep him as is" or "release him"
I strongly suspect that before LJ rejoins the team for any activities he will be having a long talk with Haley and (probably) Pioli. They will lay down the rules for what they will be looking for and how they expect him to act. If he is unwilling or unable to follow that then I expect more suspensions will be in the offing. I don’t think they will let LJ hang around and act as a “cancer”.
Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read. - Groucho Marx
I don't condone LJ's actions, but...
…I think Pioli is going to use this as a teaching opportunity with LJ. All of his yelling on the sidelines, forced runs to the fence after a fumble in practice, moving down the depth chart, etc. are methods he uses to communicate.
Based on the public statements and interactions I’ve seen, I think Haley genuinely likes LJ’s playing potential. Obviously, that potential has been unfulfilled this season, but that can be said for everybody on staff except for the two guys kicking the ball. If LJ wants to play for this team, Haley will give him that opportunity. He will have to earn the starting position again, but I have seen nothing in Haley’s coaching style that would indicate that LJ’s stupidity is deserving of a career death sentence.
My prediction – LJ returns to the field at Oakland as the #3 RB.
Has anybody heard the actual audio from the locker room comment?
You cant even legitimately understand what hes saying. Sounds like “Now get your ass outta here”. Man the Star is desperate to actually post that audio – if anything it helps his case 10 fold
it was posted a coupla days ago ... I watched it, heard it and wanted to smack LJ upside the head for it
he wasn’t “frustrated” he was a snotty, spoiled brat … I’ve taught middle school for almost 20 years and he reminded me of some of my none too clever, none too bright punk-wanna-be 14 year old kids with attitude …
he said, quite clearly, to Kent Babb “get your faggot ass outta here” … that was Monday, one day after the tweets
and now, after ALL this, after the language and innapropriateness, after the lame, canned “I don’t REALLY mean it” apology comes … an appeal! why? because he really ISN’T sorry at all …
deactivate him … or hell, pay him but keep his butt glued to the bench … make him a tackling dummy for all I care, but do NOT allow him to set foot on the field for KC ever again
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
Ooooh, tackling dummy
Best idea yet. Heck, it’d be great if he could be directly sent to the scout team, but IIRC putting him on waivers would do two things: cause him to be released if he clears waivers, and give him the option to sign elsewhere instead of being on the scout team.
But I guess he could play WITH the scout team, and Haley could give the defense license to tackle him as they please.
by burntorangehorn on Oct 29, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions
is that what u do to your bad kids...lol
Make them tackling dummies…ha!
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Oct 29, 2009 10:55 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Can we strap him to the back of Warpaint???
And drag him around the field…….see how many times he can get shit on?
by HeatherChiefsLvr on Oct 29, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, It kind of sounds like something from Ghost Trackers.
Sounds like someone said “I died in the Civil War”
Have u all forgot
The Patriots traded for the biggest locker room cancer ever. Randy Moss. The guy quit on his team. He said things that would make u wonder “how is this dude still getting a paycheck”….but did that stop Pioli from wanting him…nope. Talent takes more value then character in the NFL. Its obvious. Pacman, Tank, TO, and the list goes on. If u can do the job your gonna get payed…I am not condoning LJ’s actions but he is no different then any of those other guys. I say he plays out the season….just maybe giving more carries away to charles. Like it or not that is just the way it is….
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Oct 29, 2009 10:53 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
nope, haven't forgotten Moss at all - but there's a huge difference
Moss was a moron and reformed himself … LJ’s a moron who has NOT reformed (and in my mind, has far less class and self-control and manners than LJ will ever know)
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
This is something to keep in mind
When people say a guy isn’t a “Pioli guy” or “Pioli player,” it’s kind of a throwaway term. People forget that Pioli has taken a lot of chances on questionable characters over the years, including Brandon Merriweather, Vince Wilfork, Randy Moss, and quite a few others. Character risks have to be evaluated on a case-by-case basis, and I’m glad Pioli does his homework. I think he’ll definitely do it, perhaps twice, with LJ, and I certainly hope his decision is to cut the losses and move on at the position.
by burntorangehorn on Oct 29, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Here's the deal
Listen, I agree. He needs to learn to just shut up and take the high road instead of letting a college kid on Twitter sucker him into this garbage.
But do you really think that audio is helping the Star? It sounds like whatever you want it to and its halarious they actually posted it. It sounds like a clip from one of those White Noise scary movies. So I’m not really buying your ‘he clearly told some reporter i’ve never heard of to get his faggety ass out of here’ Come on man its a far stretch. Even if he did say it, its totally deniable. Its garbage audio.
Like I said if he was smart he’d learn to shut up instead of giving the city, its reporters, and fans what they want. He could have taken that record and ran and had the last laugh but he was a moron.
So it will be interesting to see where he’s at 2 weeks from now. I’d rather see him traded than have haley pull a depth chart move. Either way no running back is running behind that offensive line this year. I can see haley demoting LJ to third string and not running the ball. He’s not dumb. Then it will expose the fact that the lack of run production wasn’t really Larry’s problem..its the lines. So throw Charles in at tailback, pass pass pass, get sacked sacked sacked, and make LJ stand on the sidelines in hopes of winning another game out of spite without him. Now THATS a game plan in the NFL!
you can deny all you want, it doesn't change the facts
I honestly don’t care if you “buy” it or not, because really, I’m not “selling” anything … it happened, period … it’s not at all a “stretch” and yes, I saw the clip and I heard the audio quite clearly, period, end of discussion
but then, as Shel Silverstein pointed out regarding truth and lies: it’s always easier to sell them some $hit than it is to give them the truth
from The Perfect High
http://www.subgenius.com/updates/5-99news/X0028_The_Perfect_High.html
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
but he didn't deny saying it...
therefore, it was said.
by HeatherChiefsLvr on Oct 29, 2009 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Let the suspention go as is
The NFL may yet have some plans for action about this whole thing. Keep LJ to prevent the union being able to file a grievance, but demote him down to 3rd string. LJ has not changed who he is, He will not just take the demotion quietly no matter what his agent advises him. He will pop off and say or do something else and we start it all over again, and it just keeps going til the NFL steps in or we end up not having to play or pay him.
We as fans want him out we want his head on a platter, but that does not benefit the team and that’s what everyone from Mr. Hunt on down is looking at. LJ will shoot himself in to foot again, he just can’t help himself. He may still be in a Chiefs uniform but I think he has played his last series either way in KC.
is it me? or isn't about time the Lamar Hunt trophy belonged to His team?
I’m a Chiefs fan Dammit and I’m damn proud of it!
if lj was going for 150yrd a game
Nobody would be saying “cut him” “deactivate him”….I guarantee it. My point is being made that talent is bigger than the person who has it. His 2yrds a carry can’t uphold his actions…..but I bet 6yrds a carry would.
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Oct 29, 2009 11:09 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Maybe yes maybe no.
If this was just the one incident, If he had not gone out of his way to alienate the fans of KC, I see this as a valid point. However, He is not productive for THIS team anymore, He Has been a black eye for the team on more than one occasion, and He has said more than once he does not want to be in KC. To me this has all the looks of a player trying to force his way off of a losing team.
If He had an even a 6-8 yard average I don’t believe all this would be going on, everything for the whole team would be a lot different including wins. Personally I do not want to see him or any other player rewarded for bad behavior, it sends a bad message for everyone. What if you had a co-worker who pulled this and got promoted to a different office, even with a different company? Would you not take this as some sort of slap in the face?
We could “What If” this thing to death, but it doesn’t change the facts. He is not producing, the team is not winning and He acted like an Ass for what we hope to be the last time in KC.
is it me? or isn't about time the Lamar Hunt trophy belonged to His team?
I’m a Chiefs fan Dammit and I’m damn proud of it!
by KC Fanatic on Oct 29, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Irrelevant.
If LJ doesn’t blow, maybe we have another win or two under our belts. If we win a few and LJ does his part, he’s not getting harassed by fans on the internet. If LJ isn’t getting harassed by fans on the internet, no comments are ever made.
by mynameistyler on Oct 29, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions
If LJ were runing 150 yds a game or 6 yrds a carry
we would be in this situation because he would have never said the crap he did,plus he could maybe be way out in front of the league rushers,and he wouldnt say a word.
by Bestofthewest on Oct 29, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Why are we all focused on LJ
with all of our other problems? I say we cut him and if another team wants to sign him, good luck with that. We have young running backs that we can put in and see what they’re made of with more carries. I know people wanna make LJ’s life miserable but I’d rather focus on improving the team.
I agree
Send a message to the team that this kind of behavior will not be tolerated. Cut him. If other players see that as a way to get off of a bad team and pull the same crap, cut them too. 95% of the scrubs on this team likely won’t be picked up else where, so most of them will effectively be ruining their careers.
About the Chiefs: I'd rather be a realist than a pessimist
by Red N Gold Beast on Oct 29, 2009 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions
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