Agent: Larry Johnson Will Appeal Chiefs Suspension
by Joel Thorman on Oct 28, 2009 9:34 PM CDT
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Photo courtesy the Kansas City Star
Peter Schaffer, agent for Kansas City Chiefs RB Larry Johnson, does not like the decision by the Chiefs to suspend without pay one of his clients. After news broke earlier tonight that the Chiefs would suspend LJ, costing him two game checks and over $500,000, Schaffer told PFT that they will be filing an appeal as early as tomorrow morning.
"It is our belief that the action did not warrant the discipline unilaterally imposed by the Chiefs," Schaffer said. "We'll be asking for an expedited hearing, and hopefully we can work out a positive, mutual resolution with the Chiefs. If not, we'll defer to the arbitrator's decision."
This quote from Schaffer might indicate that LJ is not purposely trying to be released, as some have speculated.
"Larry's desire is to get back to his teammates as soon as he can."
Schaffer wants to get his client in good graces with the Chiefs because he knows LJ will never see that type of money again. That's my belief. It's a good move, too, and something LJ should have known.
How much will LJ lose if the suspension is upheld?
PFT says about $568,000 while Kent Babb of the Kansas City Star says $660,000. The Associated Press article just mentions one game check being equal to $213,000. Whichever it is, it's a lot.
These types of appeals are heard by an independent arbitrator. If the NFL had issued the suspension, then the Commissioner's office would be hearing the appeal.
(H/T nycchief for the link in the FanShots)
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I hope the Arbitrator is part of the Chiefs nation. What right does any employee have to act this way?
by TonyG88 on Oct 28, 2009 9:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Uhh...
He is lucky it was only two games. What exactly is his case? He didn’t do it, or doesn’t deserve it? He already admitted he did it, and there is evidence on Twitter and tape recording that he used homophobic slurs on occasions.
I think the punishment fit the crime. He is a repeat offender and if his words were not detrimental to the team, its image, and the image of the NFL, I don’t know what is.
by Nick Britt on Oct 28, 2009 9:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks to nycchief for getting it up in the FanShots
Then deleting it after the story was up :)
by Joel Thorman on Oct 28, 2009 9:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I deleted it
and put the hat tip in.
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by Chris Thorman on Oct 28, 2009 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I put the hat tip in
Welcome to Chiefs REBUILD - Version 2.0 /The Clark Hunt Edition
Chiefs will be lucky to go 4-12 in 2010
by KansasCityShuffle on Oct 28, 2009 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Need to count to 10
before posting a fanshot. I know that AP will be all over it in 5.5 seconds with quotes and analysis. As usual. ;)
by nycchief on Oct 28, 2009 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey LJ for the next 2 weeks i make more than you
by jrcnc on Oct 28, 2009 9:39 PM CDT reply actions 15 recs
HA!
That’s exactly what I was thinking when I read that headline. Great comment.
by Reno_Chief on Oct 28, 2009 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you send that to him? Sweet mercy, if it wouldn't be the most jerk thing ever, I'd love it!
Watching the 2009-2010 Chiefs 12 hours ahead of you (in Taipei, Taiwan).
Twittering my every move. Don't act like you're not even slightly interested.
by webby37 on Oct 28, 2009 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think any of us would appeal the loss of a half million too
he will probably get some if not all of it after the case is heard. just my feeling.
Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day.
Harry S. Truman
by kcguy on Oct 28, 2009 9:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
ha
id appeal a lot less than that. Take my sandwich away and Ill appeal that too
A man who says he can, and a man who says he can't are both right. Which one are you?
by Bashman on Oct 28, 2009 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
my point exactly
the chiefs look like they’re trying to punish him regardless of him winning the appeal or not
Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day.
Harry S. Truman
by kcguy on Oct 28, 2009 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
gotta satisfy the fans somehow
sure arent doing it with wins
A man who says he can, and a man who says he can't are both right. Which one are you?
by Bashman on Oct 28, 2009 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How much would it cost the Chiefs if they didn't suspend him?
I for one wouldn’t buy anymore merchandise this year or attend any more games that he plays in. He has tarnished the Chiefs uniform.
by TonyG88 on Oct 28, 2009 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think the assault cases were worse offenses
but they needed to take action and did. if he wins the appeal, at least they can claim to have tried to hold him accountable
Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day.
Harry S. Truman
by kcguy on Oct 28, 2009 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
On LJs part, yes the assaults were worse -
However, I want to see CLARK HUNT stand up and say enough of this guy throwing these second chance opportunities back in my face.
by TonyG88 on Oct 28, 2009 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm more interested in how the previous incidents affect the present situation, than in which was worse.
Could be some language about this sort (or any sort) of conduct detrimental to the team being more severely punished. Sort of a 3 strikes clause.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 28, 2009 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
very good point
fans are pissed and frankly if we werent on a bye and he scored a TD im certain he would be bood
A man who says he can, and a man who says he can't are both right. Which one are you?
by Bashman on Oct 28, 2009 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ugh
i dont care if he called somebody a fool. Im so sick of lj and talking about lj that i can’t wait till the offseason when he will likely be replaced.
Unfortunately that puts us in a situation where we have yet another offseason need, but I think we can solve that in free agency with a guy like Jerious Norwood or someone else
A man who says he can, and a man who says he can't are both right. Which one are you?
by Bashman on Oct 28, 2009 9:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
we already have a need at RB with or without LJ
and its the OL plain and simple. If they dont fix that it wont matter
by jrcnc on Oct 28, 2009 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its a long way off but Im pumped for this years draft class
i feel there is a lot of talent at many positions we need
A man who says he can, and a man who says he can't are both right. Which one are you?
by Bashman on Oct 28, 2009 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
me 2
hopefully a strong draft and solid FA pickups get us one step closer!
by jrcnc on Oct 28, 2009 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no way we are nearly as laid back this year in FA as last year
we got the coin to spend and we have a positive draft which is a must in our situation (by positive i mean we have better than your typical 1-7 draft picks)
A man who says he can, and a man who says he can't are both right. Which one are you?
by Bashman on Oct 28, 2009 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No salary cap
There is no salary cap for 2010…I am unsure how FA will play out for us or any team for that matter. The Draft should be solid though and the first year in a new system is always pretty brutal — see 2001 when Vermeil came to KC.
by Nick Britt on Oct 28, 2009 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe you can elaborate on that a bit
if the season goes uncapped….its never going back is it?
A man who says he can, and a man who says he can't are both right. Which one are you?
by Bashman on Oct 28, 2009 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats not neccesarily true......
But if it does go uncapped, it probably wont go back, But I feel the new CBA will be worked out.
by darwithabar on Oct 28, 2009 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I think something will happen, and there'll be some interesting wrinkles.
May even be something addressing rookie contracts. I’d like to see something happen. But I think the players themselves have mixed feelings on rookie caps, because so many players never even see a 2nd contract and that first one is the one they’ve worked their whole lives to earn.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 28, 2009 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah that makes sense
about the only 1 contract deal, but on the flip side, if they can’t earn a second contract then they dont deserve to be making these massive amounts of money when they are unproven.
As for the uncapped season, I think one or two owners will go crazy and buy up everything and then throw a huge fit if they try to cap the league again. I think that once the cap leaves it leaves for good unfortunately.
A man who says he can, and a man who says he can't are both right. Which one are you?
by Bashman on Oct 28, 2009 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
His agent is good
He does his job til the end doesn’t he
by TonyG88 on Oct 28, 2009 9:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Of course he does!
He just lost two paychecks, too.
by RDOGuy on Oct 28, 2009 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chiefs will win
Ljs done see you next year when your a Raider
by tomahawk44 on Oct 28, 2009 9:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Use LJ while you can
Our running games going to be bad with or without LJ in there cause the o-line is so bad. We might as well suit LJ up and send him back out there so the younger backs don’t take the beating.
Would you rather beat LJ up or Charles up.
by B_LEWIS on Oct 28, 2009 9:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
suit up LJ
i would suit him up and let him ride the bench. I rather see my younger guys get there career started off then watch this moron eat our money and get our QB killed.
by fujirio on Oct 28, 2009 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you really think Charles is going to be a big part of this team for years to come?
By the time this line gets rebuilt…I believe there will be a starting RB on this team that is not on the roster now.
by vincent2668 on Oct 28, 2009 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Charles will be a huge part of this team....
I think they will get another back but I doubt they get one in the draft this year. I think he has sproles potential but maybe a little bit slower but alot stronger. I think he will get the most carries the rest of the year.
by darwithabar on Oct 28, 2009 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I said by the time the line is rebuilt and ready to win.
So, I am thinking 2 years. He may be an OK 3rd down or change of pace guy for years to come. But, not worth protecting.
by vincent2668 on Oct 28, 2009 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree....
Alot of scouts say he is one of the better players on our team. I think he will play for us for atleast 5 or 6 years. I agree, if we drafted an every down back they would probably split time. Knowing Pioli, I think he wil find a mid round guy to split carries with him.
by darwithabar on Oct 28, 2009 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you remember when smith would hit the holes last year?
Like a freaking bullet! Smith n Charles would have no problem carrying this running game at all.
by rdubz on Oct 28, 2009 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Curious to see how Smith's knee comes back
most guys are never the same again.
by vincent2668 on Oct 28, 2009 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, We will have to see how smith does....
I personally would like Charles and Savage spliting carries.
by darwithabar on Oct 28, 2009 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is much stronger than sproles
Only thing that really scares me is how he holds the ball. I always say “don’t fumble fucker” whenever he touches the ball lol.
by rdubz on Oct 28, 2009 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He actually doesnt fumble much at all though....
He just picks the worst time to do it. He only has 3 in his career. Were not gonna know if he has a problem unless he takes over as the everydown back. I personally think he would be fine as an every down back.
by darwithabar on Oct 28, 2009 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I agree that he could be an every down back.
I guess i mention the fumbles from what I seen in preseason handling the punts n a couple of kick offs… I dunno the guy just scares me how he doesn’t wrap the ball up at times.. but u are correct about his stats for fumbles.
by rdubz on Oct 28, 2009 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just think that there are backs like him available every year
and you can always go out and find a RB if you need one. This is also why I don’t believe in giving RBs long term deals.
by vincent2668 on Oct 28, 2009 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont agree about finding backs like Charles every year....
Behind the Pats line, charles could be a 1700 yd rusher by himself im sure of that. We got lucky when he fell to the 3rd round. He was supposed to be a late 2nd early 3rd. I cant think of any RB that besides the bigger names that compare to charles. He averages 8 ypc and I know people make the arguement that he has less carries but the arguement can go both ways. We will see how he can do against Jax.
by darwithabar on Oct 28, 2009 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the Pats would run more and pick one RB to do the running
I think any back on that roster could put up great numbers like that behind that line. As I said…my original reply was to the post that said we should keep playing LJ just to protect our other RBs from getting hurt behind this line. I don’t think that is any reason at all to keep playing LJ. With that type of logic – we should keep Cassel on the bench until our line is good.
by vincent2668 on Oct 28, 2009 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree...
He shouldnt even see the locker room. Sorry I must have mixed up posts, I thought you were saying we should play him.
by darwithabar on Oct 28, 2009 11:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not against being kinder to RBs early,
just don’t break the bank on ‘em, either. I think what happens is they’re paid too little if they DO succeed, and then when their contract is up, they cash in for too much. Contracts based on a base level of security plus plenty of performance bonuses make sense. But the minute your RB tries to cash in BIG time, he’s his own worst enemy (and yours) in terms of keeping the team (and him) competitive.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 28, 2009 11:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
performance pay?
can they or would they ever even consider it?
wasn’t the idea tossed around once long ago?
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Oct 28, 2009 11:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he means incentives....
But I beleive the owners and the players would be against performance pay. If too many play good your screwed and vice versa for the player. If they did do some sort of performance pay, Each player would have to have a limit to how much they could make. I would be down with that but the players wouldnt. It would essentially be the same thing but you might make less.
by darwithabar on Oct 28, 2009 11:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wonder what toonicon has brewing up tonight
i imagine he slams management with more messages on twitter and i hope he does.
Just to sink his blinged out yacht even further!
by jrcnc on Oct 28, 2009 9:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
im sure hes being baited by some people....
trying to get him to say stuff
A man who says he can, and a man who says he can't are both right. Which one are you?
by Bashman on Oct 28, 2009 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ohh yeah he is
and if he gets drunk expect some fireworks, wonder how fluent LJ is in French because i imagine him in Canada next year, maybe craig in calgary will update us LJ’s 2.0 something YPC up there!
by jrcnc on Oct 28, 2009 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey bash u burn that LJ jersey u wearing there yet?
by jrcnc on Oct 28, 2009 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol you saw that huh?
A man who says he can, and a man who says he can't are both right. Which one are you?
by Bashman on Oct 28, 2009 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why would he even stay on Twitter at this point?
That is just silly
by TonyG88 on Oct 28, 2009 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
because its LJ he's so predictable
i mean the “ego ego ego” stuff, we all knew this was coming. he only said he was onboard to start this season to get a few more paychecks. Do u really think he isnt going to say something? fly to vegas and get arrested? get a DUI? continue to bash Haley? something is coming
by jrcnc on Oct 28, 2009 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, His tweets have been protected
That’s what it says when you go to his page.
*My opinions are subject to change.
by CMatthews on Oct 28, 2009 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what happens if he shows up at Arrowhead?
he has been told to stay away so what would occur if he goes there and starts stuff?
by jrcnc on Oct 28, 2009 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe Pioli has snipers out there now
*My opinions are subject to change.
by CMatthews on Oct 28, 2009 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
You should know that would never happen
He doesn’t have the stones to confront anyone face to face. He likes to hide behind the screen of this twitter account. Then when confronted – has his agent speak for him in his defense.
by vincent2668 on Oct 28, 2009 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unless it's a woman!
*My opinions are subject to change.
by CMatthews on Oct 28, 2009 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha i just hope he continues to act up so we can get rid of him and he never suits up again
by jrcnc on Oct 28, 2009 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's what I was thinking when this all went down
As bad as this sounds…I didn’t want him on the team to start the year. I really don’t care what he said or did to be honest. I was just happy that it was something to get him in trouble and hopefully gone. I don’t think that makes me a bad fan. I think I have given him more than enough chances to change my opinion about him.
by vincent2668 on Oct 28, 2009 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I was a GM...
I wouldnt want him, 1. He isnt productive, 2. He is the TO of RB, 3. He is just an all around Jack Ass
by darwithabar on Oct 28, 2009 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah. I don't see how a GM can come in
and preach about the type of players you want on the roster. Then even begin to keep putting that message out to the rest of the team if you keep LJ around
by vincent2668 on Oct 28, 2009 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Totally Agree...
I told a couple of people that yesterday.
by darwithabar on Oct 28, 2009 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im making a twitter account to bash him as we are talking
by darwithabar on Oct 28, 2009 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unlike, unrec'd
Let him go. He doesn’t need us fans attacking him. He’s getting his.
Plus, it’s protected, so you wouldn’t be able to see his posts. And he’d just block you in 1 second anyways.
-cw
Watching the 2009-2010 Chiefs 12 hours ahead of you (in Taipei, Taiwan).
Twittering my every move. Don't act like you're not even slightly interested.
by webby37 on Oct 28, 2009 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was a joke man, I dont have an account.
Really, Was your post even neccessary? It was a joke, I dont even know how Twitter works. You’ve obviously been to his page and know more then I do so wouldnt you say your post is kinda ridculous.
by darwithabar on Oct 28, 2009 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
People created accounts last week just for that.
There were a lot of jackass comments from “fans.” I wouldn’t be proud of myself if I were them.
LJ was an idiot, but piling on helps nothing.
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Oct 29, 2009 8:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was a post questioning my post even necessary?
NJ fan’s right—the reason I wrote that is because people ARE doing it. The “f**s” he was referring to were fake fans. Therefore, I’d say that the post was necessary. In closing, learn things.
-cw
Watching the 2009-2010 Chiefs 12 hours ahead of you (in Taipei, Taiwan).
Twittering my every move. Don't act like you're not even slightly interested.
by webby37 on Oct 29, 2009 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
With the preaching of "Right 53" guys on the roster
Is it more important to teach LJ a lesson by suspending him? Or getting rid of the guy and showing the rest of the team that we don’t want guys like that around?
It’s clear that he is not helping the team win games. And if you are one that contributes his poor running to the Line and not his ability, would he have anything left in the tank by the time we do rebuild the line? It’s not like he is going to end up with a team that is going to beat us in the playoffs any time soon.
by vincent2668 on Oct 28, 2009 10:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
"Unilaterally"
This word jumped out at me. Is the agent saying that if the league had handed down the suspension it would have been alright? There is no question that the Chiefs are acting in concert with the NFL on this. It is exactly the same as the Brandon Marshall situation. Marshall, too, could have appealed but didn’t. LJ will not win this so I’m not sure what the endgame is.
by nycchief on Oct 28, 2009 10:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Question about Pay
If the Chiefs cut LJ upon his return on November 9th, which John Clayton said they may, and he signs with another team this season – then, will the Chiefs still owe him the rest of this year’s salary if he is under contract with another team?
I don’t know anything about it, but my assumption would be that the money the Chiefs owe him for this season would become void if he signed with another team this season.
by zbschiefs on Oct 28, 2009 10:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes
I believe the Chiefs would be responsible for whatever he’s due this year. Except during the two weeks of suspension, when he won’t get paid. So, weeks 9-16 they should be responsible for.
by Joel Thorman on Oct 28, 2009 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does the ruling from the "Special Master" this offseason
have any effect on what he would be owed by the Chiefs if they cut him. I know that if they would have cut him prior to the start of the season – the ruling was that the Chiefs did not have to pay any of the remaining guaranteed money. Would this suspension once again be a way out for the Chiefs to say the contract was violated and they once again do not have to pay any guaranteed money?
by vincent2668 on Oct 28, 2009 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
None of his contract is guarenteed anymore except for this year....
Say he didnt get in trouble and he played for us all year, The chiefs could cut him at the end of the year and not owe him for the rest of his contract
by darwithabar on Oct 28, 2009 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't this make it so that he can't be cut
Don’t the Chiefs open themselves up for a major grievance from the players union if they cut him after the suspension?
I would think they would say – If you planed to cut him all along, then you prevented him from signing with another team for 2 weeks without pay, while he served his suspension.
by vincent2668 on Oct 28, 2009 10:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes
Yes this is the grievance. This is why I was a little surprised that the league didn’t act on this. If the league had issued a suspension, then the Commissioner’s office would hear all appeals and that would favor the Chiefs/NFL.
by Joel Thorman on Oct 28, 2009 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still get the feeling the league MAY do something on top of what the Chiefs have done
no real reason other than gut feeling
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Oct 28, 2009 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think so, too
It’s what they did last year when they let the team dole out a punishment and then added to it. And I still think the league wants to make a statement about players (mis)using Twitter. I expect the league to add at least one more game to this and justify it by pointing to his past actions.
Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read. - Groucho Marx
by Big Chief on Oct 28, 2009 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought the NFL issued today that they would review
but this was more of a team matter?
by vincent2668 on Oct 28, 2009 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no doubt they have and are reviewing
according to Joel or Chris earlier, the league was privy to what the team was doing all along, so … who knows
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Oct 28, 2009 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree uptam...
I think the league should do something, I mean last year the League suspended him one game after the Chiefs did. There has to become a point when they just say enough is enough and make an example of someone who thinks they can get away with anything they want.
by darwithabar on Oct 28, 2009 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just don't see how the Chiefs can cut him after the suspension
without opening themselves up for a lawsuite from the the PA. Aren’t they going to say – If you planed to cut him all along, you shouldn’t have suspened him without pay prior to doing it.
If your boss suspened you for 3 weeks without pay; then when you returned they fired you – wouldn’t that cause some type of issue.
(Trust me, I’m not trying to protect LJ here. I am looking out for the Chiefs.)
by vincent2668 on Oct 28, 2009 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You never know....
I don’t think they should cut him. I think they should make him inactive til the end of the year or just sit him on the bench. I highly doubt they let him get the records.
by darwithabar on Oct 28, 2009 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
they won't cut him
he’ll have his suspension, then possibly (probably?) a league suspension/fine … then he’ll attend all meetings and practices as 4th string RB and sit his a$$ on the bench for the rest of the year
that will hit him where it hurts most: his ego …
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Oct 28, 2009 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think they will play him at some point
no way does he not come in. Haley is trying to win games and he seems to think LJ gives us that chance. Cant imagine him not getting 75 more yards, unfortunate.y
A man who says he can, and a man who says he can't are both right. Which one are you?
by Bashman on Oct 28, 2009 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't imagine him setting foot on the field again, but ... he WILL be in uniform
… and on the bench … you hide and watch
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Oct 28, 2009 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagre Bashman...
He wont see the feild in a Chiefs uni anymore. I beleive he will be inactive for the rest of the year but still on the roster. I dont see Hunt giving him those records after this.
by darwithabar on Oct 28, 2009 11:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He'll be in street clothes.
“We’d like to see you get back on the field ASAP, Larry. Too bad about the knee.”
“Whatchoo talkin’ ‘bout?! Hey! Whatcha doin’ wit’ dat bat?!”
SMACK
“The don sends his regards, and best wishes for a speedy recovery. Punk.”
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 28, 2009 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
LOL and rec'd
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Oct 28, 2009 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Duely dug mills
forget about it!!!!
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
by Buck'O on Oct 28, 2009 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Awesome
We need to be getting down like that
by darwithabar on Oct 28, 2009 11:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
id actually prefer for him to be inactive for the rest of the year
but i think that since they are still paying LJ to be on the team they will give him the ball and put him on the field. I highly doubt Haley/Pioli care about the rushing record. LJ already holds the carries record (i think…dont quote me) so really what is one more?
Hunt probably cares but it really doesnt make sense to pay a guy 1/4 mil a year to sit around and hog a roster spot.
A man who says he can, and a man who says he can't are both right. Which one are you?
by Bashman on Oct 28, 2009 11:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why not? he's been paying the guy all along ...
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Oct 28, 2009 11:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
At this point
the team would be well served to go out of it’s way to ensure that LJ doesn’t break that team record.
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by Buck'O on Oct 28, 2009 11:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we are looking at this too emotionally
We dont want a guy we dislike in LJ to break the record set by a franchise hero and model citizen. From a business standpoint, you have to get your moneys worth. : /
A man who says he can, and a man who says he can't are both right. Which one are you?
by Bashman on Oct 28, 2009 11:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No,No,No...
Your looking at it to literally. Im a business Major @ Mizzou, and I can tell you the NFL is a different kinda monster. sure McDonalads would get there money out of him, but with the NFL Hunt will always have to consider the fans that are paying for seats. They have alot more pull then most think, exspecially when so many are upset like this. I think they would see a dramatic drop in fan numbers if LJ was to play, Then again, The NFL is a different monster and I could be wrong.
by darwithabar on Oct 29, 2009 12:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Fandom is a fickle and emotional thing and it means everything to the bottom line of a sports franchise. Even more so to a small market franchise.
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by Buck'O on Oct 29, 2009 12:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not really
For the most part, I was in favor of retaining LJ for this year, but on a short leash. I would have little to no problem with a D-bag running at the mouth if he didn’t have such a long history of bullshit AND he was producing… but that ain’t the case now is is?!?!
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by Buck'O on Oct 29, 2009 12:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
good point
Im very interested to watch everything unfold: The performance against JAX, the results of the appeal, the NFLs possible additional punishment, and everything after.
As for the concept of Hunt losing fans if LJ retains the starting job or even a roster spot, I expect a lot of fans would cheer in the streets, throw parties, and celebrate, but that doesnt really do anything for Hunts wallet either
A man who says he can, and a man who says he can't are both right. Which one are you?
by Bashman on Oct 29, 2009 12:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
His poor performance makes booting his ass out a wash. Ask yourself this… as a fan, would you rather see Priest Holmes hold those record or LJ?
Hmmm…
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by Buck'O on Oct 29, 2009 12:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
obviously priest.
but we are talking about a record that was going to be broken anyway sooner or later. Its not like hes in the running for the Chiefs HOF
A man who says he can, and a man who says he can't are both right. Which one are you?
by Bashman on Oct 29, 2009 12:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He doesn t hold the record 7 more carries...
Pioli cares because the fans care. I doubt he sees the feild.
by darwithabar on Oct 28, 2009 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope not
I say axe da foo!
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by Buck'O on Oct 28, 2009 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously
When is enough enough? Pioli and Haley haven’t had to endure this guy’s bullshit for all these years but the fans and the city have. That should count for something IMO.
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by Buck'O on Oct 28, 2009 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow
now wouldnt that be something? Im not usually this malicious or vindictive, but I can just imagine years from now LJ looking back at 7 carries and 75 yards knowing that he could have held franchise records in the NFL. (he does already have the season carries record though)
A man who says he can, and a man who says he can't are both right. Which one are you?
by Bashman on Oct 28, 2009 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's a serious punishment
that he would have to live with for the rest of his life. Nothing like regret to emphasize a point.
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by Buck'O on Oct 28, 2009 11:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
makes me think of that Bernie Mac movie
where he tries to come back and get 3 hits in the MLB. I would DEFINITELY watch LJ try to come back into the league at 40 years old to try to get 75 yards and laugh hysterically
A man who says he can, and a man who says he can't are both right. Which one are you?
by Bashman on Oct 28, 2009 11:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah then he would have to play til he was 45 to get the 75 yards...
Hell if we keep him he might still need to come back next year, 21 TDs away from the all time TD total means atleast 18 more years. Were stuck with LJ guys. I wonder if LJ will live in KC when he retires lol.
by darwithabar on Oct 29, 2009 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think thats what they will do....
Its best for the Chiefs. Cutting him really does nothing but hurt the Chiefs. Your paying him already, as long as he doesnt see the feild Im fine.
by darwithabar on Oct 28, 2009 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
????
I may be incorrect but I think his guarantee or a portion of it is not enforced since the arbitration the team won in the offseason against LJ after this season. I live in ABQ, NM and our sports radio station had someone from 810 from KC. He mentioned this exact point that it may not be guaranteed after the season is over due to the arbitration won by the team.
by casselreadychiefs on Oct 28, 2009 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is exactly what I have been trying to find out
I have been hearing the same thing. I keep hearing that if the Chiefs cut him – there would be no financial loss to the Chiefs (Other than Cap hit).
by vincent2668 on Oct 28, 2009 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Joel or Chris
said in another post that after this year’s hit of like 2.7 mil, we’d be off scott free. This year’s salary is due if he is still with the team after nov. 1 I think they said. Hope this helps!
by 1kmilesfromkc on Oct 28, 2009 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only cap hit they would have is from this year...
2010,2011 cap would not be effected if they cut him.
by darwithabar on Oct 28, 2009 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This may be dumb,
but what difference does the cap hit this year make? We were way under the cap anyway, weren’t we?
by Reno_Chief on Oct 28, 2009 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It not really a cap hit, I used the wrong words.
We were gonna pay him anyways regardless of injury or if he got benched. I wouldnt call it a cap hit because in terms were saving money because he did this. So that isnt dumb at all your actually exactly right.
by darwithabar on Oct 28, 2009 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ahhh,
by Reno_Chief on Oct 28, 2009 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't mean to be devil's advocate but...
Doesn’t it seem like the timing of this whole thing was perfect for Haley/Pioli? Embarassng loss, and what are we talking about? Haley has been playing LJ all season. He knew we’d suck, and is “using up” LJ knowing our o-line sucks. Might as well get the mileage out of him while Haley and Pioli take this year and evaluate what we have. That’s why they didn’t spend big in the offseason. They brought in some vets that could help the coaching staff see who is good and who isn’t. They run a used up back into the ground, and right when they are about to lose their fan base…bam…Haley may have said something to LJ that would get him pissed off (somehow I think Haley is good at this), then let LJ go KABOOM!
by 1kmilesfromkc on Oct 28, 2009 10:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Lol, watch LJ have 100 yard games from here on out...
and blowing by Adrian Peterson at the end of the year. LOL!
by Wrestler189s on Oct 28, 2009 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, that'll really happen...
2009-10 Predictions:
1. Chiefs will win ATLEAST 6 games, which is a big improvement over 6 wins in 2 seasons
2. Succop will bring stability to the K position for the first time in years
3. Chiefs D will atleast double the number of sacks form last season
4. Cassel will be a top 15 QB
5. Todd Haley won't make a poster and jump around holding it up welcoming the Chiefs players to summer camp, I mean TRAINING camp
by Chiefs_KC on Oct 28, 2009 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
nah ... we're still bashing Haley, Pioli on other threads ...
and Wrestler, LJ won’t have another 100 yds total much less in a game after this … not in a KC uniform
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Oct 28, 2009 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol you dont think i know this?
haha hinting the sarcasm when i said Adrian Peterson….
by Wrestler189s on Oct 29, 2009 1:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
my reply was to 1kmiles ... not to yours
just FYI
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Oct 29, 2009 1:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're really reaching with this post...
2009-10 Predictions:
1. Chiefs will win ATLEAST 6 games, which is a big improvement over 6 wins in 2 seasons
2. Succop will bring stability to the K position for the first time in years
3. Chiefs D will atleast double the number of sacks form last season
4. Cassel will be a top 15 QB
5. Todd Haley won't make a poster and jump around holding it up welcoming the Chiefs players to summer camp, I mean TRAINING camp
by Chiefs_KC on Oct 28, 2009 11:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stick a fork in this bum and cut him loose!
He hates KC. Give him what he wants already. No use making a negative example out of a guy who wants no part of the team or the city. This is an organization that is in dire need of positives. Prolonging this drama does nothing for anyone, players, coaches or fans.
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by Buck'O on Oct 28, 2009 11:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think this whole thing is getting way overblown
sure he said some dumb shit…he was frustrated like many of us are with the losing..
2 weeks and 660k is more than enough punishment IMO
by KCCheeze on Oct 28, 2009 11:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
OK, now add in all the other past problems we have had with him
You can’t keep a guy around that is going to get suspened for 3 games every year. Nobody else on the team is losing their cool at the cost of having the NFL investigate.
by vincent2668 on Oct 28, 2009 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not enough by half
frustration is not what led LJ to say what he did to Kent Babb
frustration is not what led LJ to talk smack about how much he makes compared to “everyone else”
frustration is not what led LJ to use homophobic slurs on Twitter and to the media
stupidity yes
egotism absolutely
childishness unabated without a doubt
but not frustration
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Oct 28, 2009 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I call bullshit
This team is suffering from a fragile psyche right now. The coach is barely holding on and one of the very few veterans of any notoriety is calling him out and is lashing out at people in a derogatory fashion that violates player conduct policies. He has a history and any goodwill that he had with the new regime had been spent. It’s time to cut him loose. Get is ass out of here and let’s move on with a bunch of noobs that don’t need to be influenced by guys like this. The time has come.
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by Buck'O on Oct 28, 2009 11:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I say fuck'm
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by Buck'O on Oct 28, 2009 11:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but if they cut him NOW with no suspension, no fine, no nothing ...
it will look as if he was cut simply for tweeting about golf …
on top of which, he could sign with any other team immediately and KC is still responsible for his salary … no, they have to go thru the motions first, the suspension and fines, etc etc ad nauseum
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Oct 28, 2009 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let the medai and the fans prognosticate
Cut out the cancer and let those in the locker room know you mean business. To me, this would be more of a motivating example for Pioli/Haley to set for the team than demoting your star players for mediocre performances. You want to make a statement about “the right 53” or what? It’s not like LJ’s productive enough to justify his exorbitant salary. The team is on the hook for it regardless.
No team is going to bring him in at this point of the year. Nor do I see any likelihood of rejuvenation at this late stage of his playing career.
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by Buck'O on Oct 28, 2009 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
600k is nothing but a slap on the wrist compared to what he ulitimately has been paid by the Chiefs
By appealing this LJ is saying he doesn’t think he should of had to be punished. IGNORANT!!!
I don't want no Yo-Yos
by AK_47 on Oct 28, 2009 11:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
probably a little of both
he wants his money (dont we all) but i cant help but think that this might hint a little that hes not truly sorry. He could or course just think this punishment is over the top, but everytime i have been truly sorry about something I have always accepted my punishment.
A man who says he can, and a man who says he can't are both right. Which one are you?
by Bashman on Oct 28, 2009 11:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Last yearf he excepted it when Herm suspended him with pay lol
by darwithabar on Oct 28, 2009 11:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha very true
A man who says he can, and a man who says he can't are both right. Which one are you?
by Bashman on Oct 28, 2009 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We can make him see a shrink.
Then we would have a reason to cut him without any trouble . I cant see chiefs just say dont do it again. If we do get rid of him i bet Al davis will hire him just to piss us off.
by Charles # 1 chiefs fan on Oct 29, 2009 12:03 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
the EUP list
Emotionally Unable to Perform
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Oct 29, 2009 12:22 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I want to APPEAL
Kansas City Chiefs Football Club for cheating away my money the past 2 seasons -
ARBITRATION!
Predictions as of 06.24.2009.
Larry Johnson will be a top 3 fantasy pick once again in 2010 (after a monster season in 2009.)
Dwayne Bowe will be a 2009 Pro Bowl selection.
Brandon Flowers will have at least 6 INTs in 2009 season.
Todd Haley will have a sideline shouting match caught on TV yelling at one of his asst. coaches.
by 58 was my friend on Oct 29, 2009 12:16 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
you need to file a grievance
maybe you can get paid like LJ then….wait….
A man who says he can, and a man who says he can't are both right. Which one are you?
by Bashman on Oct 29, 2009 12:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Larry just needs a chance
He just needs an opportunity and he will become a very productive back
Welcome to Chiefs REBUILD - Version 2.0 /The Clark Hunt Edition
Chiefs will be lucky to go 4-12 in 2010
by KansasCityShuffle on Oct 29, 2009 12:54 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I Know...
Its just sad that the first time he messes up and all the fans just turn on him.
by darwithabar on Oct 29, 2009 1:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
see how you are? always with the sarcasm and negativity!!!
this team needs optimism and positive thoughts …
(hoooooooo boy do they need positive thoughts)
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Oct 29, 2009 1:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im only kidding...
By The Way who are you describing? Me or You In Every Post but This one.
OHANA!
by darwithabar on Oct 29, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Leave Larry Alone!!!"
sniff, sniff, sob, sob
Chiefs go 9-7. LJ makes 1400 yards. DBowe makes 1200 yards. Defense #18.
10/28--The Koolaid buzz is beginning to wear off. Maybe drop this back to my original thoughts on the year. Chiefs go 6-10 (and that my be optimistic!). LJ gets a restraining order to stay 1400 yards away from the Chiefs. I'll let the rest stand for now.
by Zodeman on Oct 29, 2009 1:16 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Where does Bowe stand at this point?
Just curious.
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by woodman212 on Oct 29, 2009 1:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
where does Bowe stand ... regarding what? his total yards?
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by upamtn on Oct 29, 2009 1:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes.
Doesn’t seem on the way to 1200…
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by woodman212 on Oct 29, 2009 1:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But Haley says
We will be a top 5 offense soon….lmao. Bowe still needs another 900 so it’s not out of reach…yet. If the offense could finally start moving the ball the defense would look a lot better too.
Chiefs go 9-7. LJ makes 1400 yards. DBowe makes 1200 yards. Defense #18.
10/28--The Koolaid buzz is beginning to wear off. Maybe drop this back to my original thoughts on the year. Chiefs go 6-10 (and that my be optimistic!). LJ gets a restraining order to stay 1400 yards away from the Chiefs. I'll let the rest stand for now.
by Zodeman on Oct 29, 2009 5:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man Iam Happy
Is anybody else happy that LJ is out? Maybe we can get some rushing yards and our first rushing TD.Watching LJ all year has made me sick.Was Haley just giving him the carries because he gets paid the most?LJ runs with no heart,he just wants to get paid. I would rather see Jamal Charles get the carries even though he fumbles,then LJ just bumb into the first player that touches him and fall down.Iam done with LJ.
by Tribechokeahoe on Oct 29, 2009 1:27 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
First rushing TD while LJ is out would be awesome...
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by woodman212 on Oct 29, 2009 1:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's get this over with...
The likelihood of a suspension is greater than cutting him.
Either way, I think it would be keen if he gains no more yards as a Chief – leaving him short of Priest’s yardage record.
by Ochophosphate on Oct 29, 2009 3:31 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
One can only hope...
That the appeal process backfires in their face, and LJ gets suspended for the rest of the year.
One can only hope…
by ravenhawk on Oct 29, 2009 7:55 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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