If you were Todd Haley what's the plan for the rest of the year?
by cpa913 on Oct 28, 2009 11:43 AM CDT
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After reading the post about the Chiefs depth chart, I got to thinking, we're 1-6, unless we can run the table, which isn't likely, to make these games at least entertaining for us fans, we need to be seeing some of the young players that will be playing next year.
So, even if LJ stays on the roster, the older veterans, like him, Goff, Waters, Vrabel (probably our best non special teams player this year), Mike Brown, McGraw, etc., should take a back seat and fill more of a mentor role. Now, I still want to see Vrabel, Waters, McGraw, etc. on the field, but the young guys need more playing time, now.
I went through the depth chart, and with an eye on developing for next year, made some changes. I utilized the practice squad heavily, even bringing in A.Q. Shipley from Pittsburgh's practice squad. Thanks for the idea Tomahawk44 http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2009/10/27/1103472/steal-shipley-from-the-steelers.
I didn't really address Tight End and Quarterback, because I don't know what Haley/Pioli's thoughts are in the direction they would eventually like to go in either position. I assume Cassel is here to stay, and hope we see last year's Matt Cassel soon! Anyway, what are your thoughts?
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Our focus should be winning
Winning is all that matters.
I’m afraid I prematurely shot my wad on what was supposed to be a dry run, if you will, so now I’m afraid I have something of a mess on my hands. -Arrested Development
When we blitz, have the LB's do a KC Strip. Do this in rememberance of DT.
by mistamic on Oct 28, 2009 12:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
haven't you heard? we're changing the culture!
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Oct 28, 2009 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agree winning
we have some young hungry backs that been wanting to knock Larry off.
by chiefs316 on Oct 28, 2009 12:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
did you mean knock Larry Out
I could see many of them go my turn my turn
by elk2009 on Oct 28, 2009 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Won't happen
As Haley as said, he will put the guys on the field that give us the best chance to win. Although the depth chart you have compiled would definitely motivate the underperformers, I don’t think it will ever happen.
With that being said, I think at least 1/3 of the current roster will be gone by the start of next season, maybe more. At 1-6, everyone is expendable.
by Nick Britt on Oct 28, 2009 12:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Players/best chance to win
How’s that working out so far?Does Haley even know the right players to play much less the right 53?Is Mike Goff 1 of the right 53 players?What the hell is going on there?I thought Herm was stubborn in his coaching,but Haley is off the charts.
John Soellner
by chiefs63 on Oct 28, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
rec'd
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Oct 28, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
rec'd
I agree some of the OL should definitely be switched for the younger guys, b/c w/ the current line-up we’re in the bottom of the league in most Offensive stats anyway might as well see what we have so we can make better decisions come the offseason.
LT – Richardson
LG – Albert
C – AQ Shipley
RG – Andy Alleman
RT – O’Callaghan
w/ RBs- Kolby Smith 1st and 2nd down back, Charles as 3rd down back, Williams as a GL back
When deep space exploration ramps up, it'll be the corporations that name everything, the IBM Stellar Sphere, the Microsoft Galaxy, Planet Starbucks.
I'd be fine with 9-7 or 10-6 and competiting for the divsion title
by madtheory on Oct 28, 2009 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No...
to Richardson at LT. If we are going to make changes it should be the C and RG positions alone.
by I_Bleed_Red. on Oct 28, 2009 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, so lets bench guys like Vrabel and Hali
who have been busting their tails out these and start guys like Walters and Herron. Man am I glad you aren’t in charge of making the decisions.
It's a good thing Pioli and Haley aren't running AP or a lot of you guys would of been traded or cut for cast offs from the Pats Pulpit.
by KCporkchop on Oct 28, 2009 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not saying leave them on the bench
Let the young guys rotate in. Just because I listed a “starter” doesn’t mean the “backup” shouldn’t play. Vrabel and Hali should still get over half the snaps. What if Vrabel or Hali gets hurt next year, wouldn’t you like their backup to have some experience.
"The road to Easy Street goes through the sewer."
--John Madden
by cpa913 on Oct 28, 2009 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would still be a slap in the face to players who don't deserve it
maybe give the young guys some plays off the bench if you think they are playing well enough to deserve it, but no way start them over guys who are playing well just because they are younger.
It's a good thing Pioli and Haley aren't running AP or a lot of you guys would of been traded or cut for cast offs from the Pats Pulpit.
by KCporkchop on Oct 28, 2009 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll go with that
My main point is that Lance Long and some of the younger guys need a shot to show what they can do, and not against the other teams 2nd team in mop up time. I certainly don’t want to insult good players like Hali and Vrabel!
"The road to Easy Street goes through the sewer."
--John Madden
by cpa913 on Oct 28, 2009 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see promoting Long as a step backwards, at all.
He brings more spark than anybody else currently playing WR. He hasn’t made a name for himself, yet, but I really think he belongs on the field.
As for Hali, I’m thinking of #58, and how much fun Hali might have as a free-wheeling OLB behind a 4-man front. Slide Dorsey and Edwards a little bit to the left, stick Gilberry or Studebaker at RDE, and just tell Hali to attack wherever he wants.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 28, 2009 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
your point is valid Pork but..
we are 1-6..even the Titans get it. Their going to start Young. Because…WHY NOT?? See what he’s got for next season. Let’s try other talent and see where their at.
We aren’t going to win the superbowl either way. Our season has been done for weeks now. So WHY NOT??? Bring up some of the young guys and let them play under veteran tootilage. Let Vrable and Hali work with these youngsters. Magee needs reps too. Washington etc. At this point we have nothing to lose anyway.
by krayfish on Oct 29, 2009 7:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We should be playing to win
It would be interesting to see the young guys given a shot, but most of them won’t be on the team next year anyways. The only positions where I would be making the switch to a different player would be C and RG. I don’t think either Niswanger or Goff are hear next year and playing Smith and Alleman in their positions would be interesting to see, and could potentially make a difference in our line play.
by Clarry on Oct 28, 2009 12:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
C & RG are no brainers, OL is beat up and will probably be patchwork the rest of the year.
But maybe we would have a better shot at winning with :
Lance Long instead of Bobby Wade
Javarris Williams instead of LJ
Belcher, Herron or DJ instead of DeMorrio
DuJuan Morgan over Mike Brown
And winning next year by
bringing in AQ Shipley
"The road to Easy Street goes through the sewer."
--John Madden
by cpa913 on Oct 28, 2009 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe McGraw and Page should be the safeties?
"The road to Easy Street goes through the sewer."
--John Madden
by cpa913 on Oct 28, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
McGraw is playing with more and more presence all the time.
But you could see from San Diego’s first incompletion that Vincent Jackson had taken his ‘n’ Flowers measure and found ‘em lacking. But McGraw could really facilitate almost as well as Brown, and he’s a little bit quicker (to my eye) than Brown. But having either of Brown or McGraw on the field screams “Liability in covereage!” to opposing offenses, because of lack of speed and quickness. In tight, near the line, they’re both clearly more mobile and explosive than any of KC’s LBs (duh). Brown’s better at opening a lane for a LB than any other DB on the roster, and plenty quick to finish plays in the O-backfield. As a spy on the RB, either one can get it done, as long as they’re making contact at or behind the LOS. Once you get in space, most good RBs can beat ’em one-on-one with quickness in the pattern.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 28, 2009 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Basically, I'm saying that Morgan is KC's only hope of having the necessary athleticism at the position,
and Morgan, so far, just doesn’t seem like he’s all that great of a football player.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 28, 2009 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely agree.
I think Herm drafted Morgan to try to convert him into that physical two-way player. It hasn’t happened thus far.
Now Eric Berry…that’s an argument for next offseason. I’d like to see McGraw/Page to see what could become. I understand they both play a similar way, but the hope for a defensive adjustment (please, Clancy) makes me want them both to share the field.
"I don't know if I want to go to New York. They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City." -- Roger Maris
by KaloPhoenix on Oct 28, 2009 11:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
2-way?
You mean D and ST? O and D? I kinda think that Morgan is another Peterson-type pick, trying for the overlooked safety with measurables, who can maybe play corner like it should be played. Or at least that was how I rationalized Bartee and Wesley picks.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 29, 2009 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks for mentioning my post cpa!
good write up! I do think Mays should still play over Herron though.
by tomahawk44 on Oct 28, 2009 12:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Just saying we should see what we got with those PS guys
Agreed with Mays probably should remain the starter
"The road to Easy Street goes through the sewer."
--John Madden
by cpa913 on Oct 28, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why hasn't Pioli gone after Shipley already?
That would be a STEAL!
"The road to Easy Street goes through the sewer."
--John Madden
by cpa913 on Oct 28, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im not sure but I think Im going to start an AP petition for it though
Maybe Pioli will see it :) haha
I really think we should get him from the Steelers he may be raw but man he could be one hell of a center. He would be perfect to try out couldnt be any worse than what we currently have…
by tomahawk44 on Oct 28, 2009 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Isn't Pittsburgh's OL nearly as bad as ours?
If so I’d think he wouldn’t be on their PS if he’s any good.
by jmcgoblue on Oct 28, 2009 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ehh
they may have a bad oline but center isnt a weak point for them they have Justin Hartwig who is pretty solid
by tomahawk44 on Oct 28, 2009 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't get behind this idea
You don’t just scrap your whole plan just because you’re 1-6, and haven’t played well in some of the games.
(and before you say they’ve looked like crap in every game… they played good enough to win vs Oakland, Dallas, Washington, and at times vs Baltimore)
It’d be a total knee-jerk reaction, and a big mistake to start benching all of your veterans at this point in the season.
Remember, EVEN IF this season is more about player evaluation and development than it is about wins… you STILL have to evaluate and develop your veterans, to see how they fit into the long term plan for the team.
I still think Haley will, and SHOULD continue to work on improving the team, and putting the best foot forward trying to win games in 2009.
They aren’t “there” yet… but you can’t just cash in your chips in the middle of a tournament
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Oct 28, 2009 1:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
While I see your point
And I said I’d still like to see the veterans on the field, just more of the younger guys
You don’t just scrap your whole plan just because you’re 1-6, and haven’t played well in some of the games.
It’d be a total knee-jerk reaction, and a big mistake
Didn’t we scrap the whole plan two weeks before the season? Chan Gailey might think we did. I don’t really care how we have played, it’s time to look to the future.
"The road to Easy Street goes through the sewer."
--John Madden
by cpa913 on Oct 28, 2009 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
for thazt matter, we scrapped the rebuild that had JUST started last year
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Oct 28, 2009 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
rec'd
I’m about tired of rebuilding already………
by Hail2DaChiefs on Oct 28, 2009 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
Thus, the reason I don’t think it’s a good idea to bench the vets and start a bunch more rookies.
They’ve started what should be the last rebuild for this franchise for a long long time… I don’t want to take another step backward
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Oct 28, 2009 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did we really play good in those games or
did those teams play bad?
Chiefs set an NFL record,most roster changes in 1 season.
by bringbacktheglory on Oct 28, 2009 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
good enough to win
that’s all that matters… they were in a position to win those games.
they only got the job done in one of them, of course
but, I dont’ think you can generalize and say the Chiefs have been “terrible” all season…
or at least not so terrible that they need to scrap their starters and go with rookies
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Oct 28, 2009 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I almost agree stag...but I do think we've played terrible all year...
really, this is one where stats just don’t lie!
by krayfish on Oct 28, 2009 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
non of us want to start all over again w/ the"rebuild" process but this being the bye week some changes on the OL can be made and given about 2 wk (which I know isnt much time) together to see if we have something here before we go out and blow things up again.
When deep space exploration ramps up, it'll be the corporations that name everything, the IBM Stellar Sphere, the Microsoft Galaxy, Planet Starbucks.
I'd be fine with 9-7 or 10-6 and competiting for the divsion title
by madtheory on Oct 28, 2009 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
On a side note cpa...
your Chiefs cheerleaders :)
by tomahawk44 on Oct 28, 2009 1:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Good ideas cpa,
I really like Studebaker getting more time while he learns from Vrabel. I think Hali is part of this teams future and present….I say he stays with as much playing time as possible.
I would like to see more variables at our front 3 on defense. Dorsey Edwards and Jackson dont seem to be doing much. Maybe try putting Gales and Favorite from the PS to give us some better looks. Right now I know Gales would be doing better than Jackson, but that is besides the point.
I would also really like to see Javarris Williams get some reps in games. If only 3 or 4 carries a game….maybe he could learn it this year and take over full time next year.
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Oct 28, 2009 2:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
"I know Gales would be doing better than Jackson"
Come on man, Gales is almost 40 lbs. lighter and an undrafted rookie, but you KNOW that he’d hold his ground or get more push then Jackson? I would argue that Gales would be a better fit at the rush OLB spot.
It's a good thing Pioli and Haley aren't running AP or a lot of you guys would of been traded or cut for cast offs from the Pats Pulpit.
by KCporkchop on Oct 28, 2009 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gales is too big for OLB....
He is a lot bigger than his listed weight. He is every bit of 275-280.
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Oct 28, 2009 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep. And I've seen him play what looked like LDE.
And what I saw was pretty terrible.
Maybe you’re right about Gales, but your opinion of him and mine are opposite.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 28, 2009 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m with you on Studebaker seeing more time and I wouldn’t be opposed to Favorite and maybe Williams coming up from the PS.
I disagree on the line though. I think Dorsey’s playing pretty well, Edwards is doing ok and Jackson is probably about where I’d expect him to be in his rookie year. He’s not really standing out, positively or negatively to me.
Would I like to see a few more noticeable good plays from him? Of course, but he has made a couple plays. I can think of at least one tipped pass. He also hasn’t made any plays that make me think “What the heck Tyson?”
by bh13 on Oct 28, 2009 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's doing a good job of gobbling up space.
Teams sure don’t run right AT him. But he’s let himself get walled off from quite a few runs to his INside shoulder, which I would think would be more of a priority for him than trying to turn the corner outside. But he’s clearly big and strong and athletic enough to play great 2-gap for years to come. After a season, I think he’ll really be able to assert himself. December will probably tell us what we have in him.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 28, 2009 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jackson, I mean.
As for Studebaker, I definitely want to see him getting more minutes, and maybe trading sides with Hali, on occasion.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 28, 2009 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jackson
Thus far, he’s ate his blockers well enough. I have done a little re-watching of his games, and while he’s not outstanding at that position yet, he’s showing the signs of picking it up. If the 3-4 year dline progression holds, I think we’ve made the right pick.
We’ll see.
"I don't know if I want to go to New York. They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City." -- Roger Maris
by KaloPhoenix on Oct 28, 2009 11:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He DOES seem to exert a "zone of control" that teams respect and avoid.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 29, 2009 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I want to see Matt Grbac get more time...
I don’t think Matt got a fair chance this year…ya know? GO MATT GO MATT GO MATT!!
by krayfish on Oct 28, 2009 2:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sweet!
Matt is here to stay!
“I aint doggin what your doin but then again oh yes I am cause I just dont give a damn…..” – Eric Church
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Oct 28, 2009 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know
Lighting a fire under some of those guys (Vrabel, Tamba, DeMorrio) by putting them behind younger guys may sound okay…until you realize that they’ve been the most consistent performers on that defense. Benching them only hurts us.
If I were Haley? My plan is two words: Suck Less.
"I don't know if I want to go to New York. They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City." -- Roger Maris
by KaloPhoenix on Oct 28, 2009 3:10 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Your common sense is much appreciated.
It's a good thing Pioli and Haley aren't running AP or a lot of you guys would of been traded or cut for cast offs from the Pats Pulpit.
by KCporkchop on Oct 28, 2009 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
...wait...common sense...NO!
How dare you insinuate that I’m basing my evaluation on common sense! You’re spreading lies! Vicious lies! ;-)
Seriousness: Thanks.
"I don't know if I want to go to New York. They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City." -- Roger Maris
by KaloPhoenix on Oct 28, 2009 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too simple.
It’d be the LAST thing anyone would expect… BRILLIANT!!!
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 28, 2009 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What I've found
Is that sucking less is usually the solution. It’s so simple! =)
"I don't know if I want to go to New York. They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City." -- Roger Maris
by KaloPhoenix on Oct 28, 2009 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know what that means at 1-6 kalo...
Hurts us??? How? We’re 1-6. How much worse can it get? I don’t care if we put bugs bunny in there, we ain’t gettin’ no worse no how. We’re done. When your dead your dead. You can’t get more dead.
but other than everything you said, I agree with you (-:
by krayfish on Oct 29, 2009 7:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmmmmm, playing all young guys, this sounds familiar for some reason.
cpa913 you wouldn’t by chance be a former coach of ours whose name rhymes with Germ?
You don’t bench our 2nd year first round pick LT for Barry Richardson.
You don’t jump J. Williams (who just looked ok in pre season) from the PS all the way to starter over Charles who has more upside and NFL game experience.
You don’t start a ST guy like Herron at ILB when you are already deep at that position (Williams, DJ, Belcher, Mays)
You don’t bench guys like Vrabel and Hali who are two of the only players on the team who have been busting their hump every single play no matter what the score is (aka showing guys how to not play like losers).
You want to talk about benching guys that are stinking up the joint like Rudy and Goff, great, but you don’t bench guys who are actually doing their job just to hope you win the lottery by finding a pro bowler on your PS.
It's a good thing Pioli and Haley aren't running AP or a lot of you guys would of been traded or cut for cast offs from the Pats Pulpit.
by KCporkchop on Oct 28, 2009 5:55 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
rec'd and agreed
… but see, Herm would never do some of that cuz the guy might have been a bad HC (and horrible on gameday sideline decisions like clock management) but he knew his stuff on personnel, esp defense … he also knew enough about his (lack of) expertise on offense to hire Chan Gailey and let his OC run it
sadly, we can’t say as much for the current HC (although we can knock some the playcalling by the OC, and some of those gameday sideline decisions like clock management)
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Oct 28, 2009 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Albert was listed 2nd because he is injured.
J Williams is more an LJ style back. Charles should get the bulk of the passing downs.
Names at LB were to make you think who could be rotated in.
Yes Rudy and Goff should be benched, but the other players I’m saying rotate them in. Get them some experience
"The road to Easy Street goes through the sewer."
--John Madden
by cpa913 on Oct 28, 2009 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Any backup Patriot making an impact yet?
I say look the way we did in 2009 – let’s see if NE produces another lesser known player while their starter in out or injured.
Pioli loves that route. Let’s go find the next 1 year wonder – be it safety, linemen, wr or k.
Oh…and gotta be certain that player has a franchise tag on him. That way we can re-negotiate a long term deal and pay him a fat ass bonus.
Predictions as of 06.24.2009.
Larry Johnson will be a top 3 fantasy pick once again in 2010 (after a monster season in 2009.)
Dwayne Bowe will be a 2009 Pro Bowl selection.
Brandon Flowers will have at least 6 INTs in 2009 season.
Todd Haley will have a sideline shouting match caught on TV yelling at one of his asst. coaches.
by 58 was my friend on Oct 28, 2009 9:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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