Do the Chiefs Have Anyone to Carry the Load in LJ's Absence?
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Think that Todd Haley and the Kansas City Chiefs are going to have to change their style of play if Larry Johnson is done for the season?
This is a graph showing where and how often the Chiefs run the ball They run the ball up the middle more than any other NFL team.
Jamaal Charles and Dantrell Savage are shiftier backs not asked to carry the load between the tackles on a consistent basis. Kolby Smith is rehabbing a knee injury that's kept him out for the next 12 months so to expect him to step right in November 8th against the Jacksonville Jaguars and pound the ball 20+ times between the tackles is optimistic, at best.
If/when LJ is not on the team anymore, who will carry the load for the Chiefs?
Barring a free agent signing, it will be these three men: Jamaal Charles, Kolby Smith and Dantrell Savage.
The common denominator here? Lack of experience. I'm not saying these players can't do the job. Maybe they can. But there isn't much to go on as we try to predict how the Chiefs running game might play out.
After the jump, we take a look at what these players have done when asked to shoulder a heavier load in the past.
Carries
Charles has taken more than ten carries in a game on one occasion when he ran for 106 yards on 18 carries last season. He averages 5.2 yards per carry.
Smith has taken more than ten carries in a game on eight occasions. In just his third appearance in the NFL, he carried the ball 31 times for 150 yards in 2007. He followed that up with a 21 carry performance. He did a decent job in the second half of the 2007 season filling in for an injured Larry Johnson.
Savage has taken more than ten carries in a game on one occasion. Last season, he carried the ball 12 times for 44 yards against the Chargers.
Touchdowns
Three career touchdowns by these three. Smith had two in 2007 and one in 2008.
The Chiefs obviously have had major problems getting the ball into the end zone via the rush this season.
Todd Haley's take
Here's what Chiefs coach Haley had to say when asked who could take 16-20 carries a game:
"I’ve said from the start that running back is a position of strength of us. Kolby Smith has had a tough go here. This is coming up on 12 months for him. I like the guy and I really do. I like the way he works; I like his attitude; I like his character. From what I can tell, he comes from good blood lines. His cousin is Mike Brown, one of my favorite players. I like a lot about Kolby and I hope it works out for him because I think he would be a big asset for us.
"I think Jamaal has shown signs that he is starting to get it. You average 8.3 per carry in limited carries, he’s doing things. He’s showing up to us in the meeting room and out on the practice field. I’m excited right from the start how this running position is going to start out."
Who will get the carries?
My best guess is that Kolby Smith will eventually be the featured back and he'll be spelled by Charles and Savage. Past history has indicated that Smith has had success at times carrying the full load. Charles and Savage have never really been given that opportunity (maybe that's for good reason....we just don't know).
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Charles
Charles will easily do better then LJ. It will be pretty hard to do any worse then he did.
by SwimCoach on Oct 28, 2009 9:37 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That's for sure!
"The road to Easy Street goes through the sewer."
--John Madden
by cpa913 on Oct 28, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
question number one
why in the hell are the Chiefs running up the middle more than any other team?
run right into the teeth of the defense, behind the weakest pat of the KC offensive line?
that needs to change, regardless of who is running the ball
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Oct 28, 2009 9:39 AM CDT reply actions 4 recs
25th in ypc too
Obviously not working.
by Joel Thorman on Oct 28, 2009 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My #1 complaint is running up the middle
It’s like Herm all over again
"The road to Easy Street goes through the sewer."
--John Madden
by cpa913 on Oct 28, 2009 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No shit
So Haley got rid of Galey who moved the ball with Tyler freaking Thigpen as QB, to continue to run the ball up Rudy’s ass again? Fail.
Козацькому роду нема переводу
by craig in calgary on Oct 28, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I ask myself that question every week...
Well, I did not know we did it more than any other team, but I knew we did it a hell of a lot. I know LJ is or was the type of back that is not built for speed so running up the middle is what he should be best at. BUT if it is NOT working then why not, just for the hell of it, try running him outside? And it seemed to me that everytime we did that he had a better than his average run.
I thought at first it was just me seeing what I wanted to see to back my claim but now I can see that WE ARE gaining more yards on the outside with Larry.
I also thought I was liking some of Todd Haley’s play calling but I lose it almost everytime it is 1st down because it seems like 9 out of 10 times we run it up the middle with Larry. Part of play calling is being unpredictable. It would be different if it was Larry in his prime with the old O-Line, you could almost tell the defense beforehand and they would still have trouble. But please please Todd Haley, STOP calling LJ up the middle for no gain on 1st down every motherloving 1st down.
Go Chiefs!
and
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by JoshFromKC on Oct 28, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's time for Javaris Williams to "take the diapers off"
Until Kolby is ready to go! Let’s see what the kids got!
This season is over in terms of wins mattering. It should be about getting the kids experience for next year. Time for the old vets to sit and mentor!
"The road to Easy Street goes through the sewer."
--John Madden
by cpa913 on Oct 28, 2009 9:47 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
yup
lets get these guys some touches & establish a REAL identity on offense! I think this can be a great tandem for years to come, we just need to get them some experience and confidence. This season’s a wash, and we should be focused on the future instead of trying to get some washed-up FA to help us(in vain) to win games now
by reedeasy on Oct 28, 2009 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was a first team All American last year at Tennessee State

"The road to Easy Street goes through the sewer."
--John Madden
by cpa913 on Oct 28, 2009 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
FA RBs
It has been suggested that KC works out some of the unsigned Veteran FA RBs that are out there on the market.
I personally dont see the advanages of this when our season is pretty much over, but for arguments sake who would be our best options?
Warrick Dunn
Shaun Alexander
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"My bare hands!"
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by CT Chief Fan on Oct 28, 2009 9:56 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'll stick with what we got
"The road to Easy Street goes through the sewer."
--John Madden
by cpa913 on Oct 28, 2009 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kolby Smith
is an unknown commodity.
Charles and Savage can do the job until two things happen.
The line is sorted out and the Chiefs draft better blockers in April.
The old New England regime rarely used a feature back, I expect more of that in KC.
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by Peterman700 on Oct 28, 2009 10:00 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well...
I’m not saying these players can’t do the job. Maybe they can.
There is really only one way to find out. I’ve been bitching all season about giving some of these guys the chance to see what they have (except Kolby, of course) when given the 20+ touches-per-game that LJ has been seeing. Looks like we’re finally going to find out. Although with all the LJ drama…that’s not the way I wanted to see it happen.
Maybe someone will do better. And maybe they won’t. But if they don’t get the chance…we’ll never know. We need to see if any of these guys can handle the load…or if we need to be looking for a RB who can.
by Scott B. on Oct 28, 2009 10:01 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
LJ has been the feature back
He is a north south runner. He is not a shifty back so the offense wil be predicated on him punching the ball down defenses throats. With our weak ass line and LJ having lost a step we won’t be effective.
by sandpro on Oct 28, 2009 10:05 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What?
If LJ has 2.7 yards a carry how bad would any replacement be? If who ever replaces him fumbled maybe but there won’t be much lost IF they run the replacement RB runs up the middle as they did LJ 99.99% of the time. I have a idea how about running him outside one or twice a game. Haley knew the collapsing line would get in his way as they were shoved backwards at him at the speed of light. They should spend the off week showing everyone including RB’s and TE’s how to block. These DB’s and TE’s don’t have to drive the blocks into the ground just a bump would do wonders. After the Chiefs game it is almost like I just watched a high school game after seeing other NFL games.
by Aejfan on Oct 28, 2009 10:06 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The Chiefs are running up the middle
because teams have so many men at the LOS that if they try to run outside too much they are going to get hit for losses. Teams aren’t afraid of the Chiefs beating them deep 1 because of a lack of speed receivers and 2 because they know they can run through out O line like an open door.
So teams put guys right up at the line and they jus twait to see what the CHiefs are going to do. Is it a pass? Blitz. Is it a run? Stuff it. No problem.
The Chiefs have to run the ball sometimes and would rather not do it for a loss. Also LJ is a down hill runner. Running him sideways is a bad idea.
I agree it wasn’t working but I can totally see why they were doing it. This is the same reason Haley is running so many screens. he is trying to beat these over aggressive defenses.
The Chiefs have also tried a couple of pitches and those did not work out well.
I think Charles and Savage have a better shot running in any direction because they are simply faster and shiftier than LJ. If they can squirt through holes LJ can’t and get behind these defenses teams are going to have to back up off our shit.
Our screens don’t work because our receiver blocking is terrible. We need one of these guys liek Charles or Savage to make some big lays for us to give the offense some room.
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by Patrick Allen on Oct 28, 2009 10:09 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
big plays* not big lays
although who doesn’t like a big lay?
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by Patrick Allen on Oct 28, 2009 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
nice catch, Patrick
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by upamtn on Oct 28, 2009 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the other thing is...
it helps big time with the PA passes. You could really see it with the Cowboys game. Running Larry in the middle for stuffs were actually helping Cassel when they did PAPs.
"I will fight you!"
"What is your weapon?"
"My bare hands!"
"That is stupid. I will use a sword and I will cut off your bare hands."
by CT Chief Fan on Oct 28, 2009 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And there was
also the remote chance that someone might actually get a block & we could “pop one” for a little gain. That chance goes up a little now because of the elusiveness factor with anyone who replaces LJ.
Even on quick pitches to the back, by the time they’ve taken 3 steps in either direction the D linemen are 2 feet into the backfield causing a loss of yardage if we did anything besides run straight up the middle.
by ttownmikey on Oct 28, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's all about
the minus plays! :)
I love hearing Todd talk about the minus plays. It’s so true.
Does anyone remember the Bills running game back in the day? They had a small offensive line built for pass protection and they ran the ball in a creative, unique fashion.
The Chiefs need to come up with a more creative way to get Charles and Savage to the line quickly, to counter or do whip plays off tackle. Use more motion, two tight end sets, CREATIVE.
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by Peterman700 on Oct 28, 2009 10:15 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Is there any way to....
Figure out the stats of yards gained/lost when we used a fullback in an I formation vs using Larry in Singleback?
I dont think we have run very many plays out of the I, but Id be curious to see if it had been more successful this season.
"I will fight you!"
"What is your weapon?"
"My bare hands!"
"That is stupid. I will use a sword and I will cut off your bare hands."
by CT Chief Fan on Oct 28, 2009 10:23 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
maybe we can get a rb that the patriots cut
sorry…couldnt resist
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by Bashman on Oct 28, 2009 10:25 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If they cut
any, we should definitely take a hard look at picking them up! :)
by ttownmikey on Oct 28, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't expect any of these
to give us a huge boost simply because the O -line is in such bad shape. I would like to see Koby if he is healthy otherwise rotate Charles and Savage. Also, why not bring up Williams and get him involved and see what he has to offer?
by Tooner on Oct 28, 2009 11:06 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Source
Do you compile the data yourself or is there a site that does this? This is good information, someone should send it to Haley’s desk.
by Nick Britt on Oct 28, 2009 12:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He probably got it from Haley's desk.
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by Red N Gold Beast on Oct 28, 2009 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If LJ is cut then we have
JC, Smith, and Savage….well i would honestly think that we should put Javarris in there. Especially on short yardage situations. I don’t think anybody besides Javarris could pound it in there and get that TD or 1st down.
by Wrestler189s on Oct 28, 2009 12:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
"pound it in there"
It’s not mandatory that you have a big back to gain on short yardage…
San Diego has LT and Sproles… neither is a “power” back.
The best goal line guys in KC Chiefs history (other than Okoye) have been Marcus Allen and Priest Holmes… both were amazing at finding a seam, going around or up and over the defenders for TDs.
I say roll with Charles, Smith, Savage until Javarris looks so strong that they HAVE to bring him up…
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Oct 28, 2009 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You guys are kidding right?
We got no line getting push or giving protection. No ones gonna be able to come in here and run effectivly behind this disaster of a Line. We need better athletes and COACHING!!
by Razortongue on Oct 28, 2009 1:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think any of these guys are the long term answer for this team
However, now’s the time to be running them and seeing how they perform. They can certainly do as well or better than Diaper Larry has.
Air Cassel - approved for takeoff
by kabrink on Oct 28, 2009 2:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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