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We Knew It Would Be This Way For the Chiefs

Press the pause button, if you can reach it. Breathe deep. Grab a cup of coffee (or a beer, depending on how early you start) and just enjoy this chance to take a step back. Now that it's the bye week, it's time to get a bit of distance.

The reason I say that because it's essential to get some space - from all of the emotion, the opinions, the slurs and drama. Forget every questionable coaching call, the carousel we call player acquisition and the newest addition to the VH-1 Divas program in Larrieta Johnson. Because - believe it or not - we're exactly where we thought we'd be at this point in the season.

And that's really the only reason I can take this '09 version of the Chiefs in stride - because I knew it'd be this bad. We knew it would be this bad. That was the talk before the season. Sure, some were saying weird things like "Chiefs will go 10-6" but those are the same people who get ready for the comet every time it passes overhead. And if you don't believe me, see if some of these sound familiar:

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1. Todd Haley's Coaching - The questions in hiring Todd Haley right after he rode the Cardinals hot streak into the playoffs are the same questions Chiefs fans (and maybe players) still have today. Is there the right amount of experience? Why Haley over so many other proven head coaches and promising assistant coaches? Will his emotional approach work or will he be too hot-headed? And can he make the jump to head coach effectively, seeing as it's not just a quick step up from a coordinator position?

Here we sit at the bye week wondering the same things. To Haley's credit, he's definitely held his tongue in recent weeks. But some of the head coaching decisions have been questionable from the outset: taking over play calling right before the season? Hiring Clancy Pendergast as the defensive coordinator, who had just been fired from his own team? I would definitely credit the conditioning program to lose so much weight in Chiefs camp, but is it okay to keep that intensity and lose your players with a militaristic approach? It seems the best teams enjoy an ebb and flow to things.

2. Team Clancy - Speaking of, eyebrows were raised at this hiring as well, wondering what would happen with our defense under a coordinator previously unwanted. And here we are wondering why our secondary is regressing (seemingly) from last season, why Derrick Johnson is a Scooby Doo spirit who appears and then disappears and whether we're making many strides at all. One week, we hold our own on the road against the 'Skins only to get fleeced at home by San Diego.

3. The Roster-Go-Round - We saw this one coming. Scott Pioli was famous for turning over the New England roster to acquire every sort of draft pick or other players as he saw fit - and that was with one of the NFL's greatest dynasties. What did you think he'd do with one of the league's doormats? So we knew that we'd been seeing a lot of former players walk and new one come through. And this will continue to be the case for the next 9 months (and then some) as the season progresses and off-season looms.

4. The Record - Ultimately, this is what was most predictable. Sitting with one win in the first half was the reality before us. Some refused to believe it, sure, but I think most of us realized the Chiefs were just a bad team. And bad teams - the really, really bad ones - don't get better overnight. Sure there are "overnight" success stories in the NFL but the reality is those teams were waiting to burst through with a couple offseasons of solid player acquisitions and stars at the right roster spots.

The Chiefs, however, have questions all over the field - and even on the sidelines. This is going to take a while. We might even steal a couple more wins in the second half. But ultimately, you are what your record says you are and I've a feeling it won't get much better, if at all, in 2009.

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I think Haley will be a fine coach. I like his approach to coach a lot. The record could be better, but we shouldn’t have assumed it would have been better. Todd took over a horrible team. To assume that he could term this team around on a dime is not realistic. I like the switch to the 3-4 D, but to assume that a team that is build for 4-3 can make the switch in one year is also unrealistic. This year they are trying to find out what players can play the 3-4 D and who can not. Then go from there. There needs to be more confusion in the backfield, and I think that adding one player on the line could make a huge difference (Suh – Nebraska). Suh could change the whole climate of that line. The focus would be on him and would allow for Tyson and Glen to cause more trouble which would allow for the LBs to cause more.

As for LJ. He needs to go. I would not put him in a game ever again. I would not wanting him to own more Chiefs records. I would not want him my lockerroom, on my field, in my uniform, in my community. I think the guy still has a ton of talent, but is mentally unstable.

by SwimCoach on Oct 27, 2009 9:50 AM CDT reply actions  

It's funny...

I’ve read from other comments on this site on how Haley will probably be a good coach in a few years but that they would rather let him go and bring in someone experienced now. I think Haley will be a good coach as he gets more experience and I’d rather him develop his coaching skills here in KC then see him go to another team and be successful there. Nor do I want the Chiefs to install a revolving door for head coaches hoping that we get a winner and not some tired retread. This entire organization, not just the team needs to be given time.

by RA_ChiefsFan on Oct 27, 2009 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

In many ways this is an ideal situation for a rookie head coach.

He gets to learn on the job in a situation that will grow along with him.

Toby is in HR, which technically means he works for corporate, so he's really not a part of our family. Also, he's divorced, so he's really not a part of his family.

by Rev. Slappy on Oct 27, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Was gonna say the same thing...

Totally agree.

"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius, in contrary to Glenn Dorsey lining up in the 2-tech

by ArrowSpread on Oct 27, 2009 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

What has Haley done to indicate he'll be a good coach..?

Is it logical or hopeful to project Haley as a good head coach in the future? Is it because there have been so many good things about him? Wait, there really haven’t been… Is it because he used to coach for Bill Parcells and his dad is a legendary scout, so the football pedigree has to be there..?

I’m not raining on the parade, but merely playing devil’s advocate here… I’m not sure what the Chiefs are doing, but I look at the Broncos and Josh McDaniels, who I think really has it all together… His players like him, and yes, he inherited more talent, but this Chiefs team should be better than what its record shows… Part of what makes Larry’s comments about Haley so troubling is I guarantee you there are other players that feel the exact same way… LJ just doesn’t care about making his feelings public… It’s easy to be a golf coach when you’re the OC with a ridculous offense and some of the best wideouts and quarterback in football… It’s another thing when you’re the Head Coach of one of the worst collections of talent in professional sports and you’re a former golf coach trying to coach an NFL team, and do it with an approach that is abrasive and ineffective… I’m thinking Haley is skating on thin ice, and if Pioli is worth his bacon, and that’s a post for another time, he better help out his head coach before this joke of a season gets worse…

www.coachesaid.com/mo

by FredThreezy on Oct 27, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

I understand that...

But Denver’s offseason was much more productive than the Chiefs, and there was much more pressure on the Broncos – and McDaniels is part of the blame for that – as a result of the Cutler trade. But it just seems like McD has a better handle on his team and a better relationship with his team, while I don’t feel Haley is even on the same page as Cassel…

www.coachesaid.com/mo

by FredThreezy on Oct 27, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

McDaniels has a hold of his team because they are winning...

It could be a much different situation if they lost the fisrt game that, frankly, they should have lost.

It would be much different situation if Denver had OUR OLine… A lot changes when you can’t even execute your gameplan because the OLing provides doesn’t provide any sort of consistency and is up and down from average to absolutely dreadful.

How can you possibly even know what you have — or know that you’re offensive scheme could even BE successful — if you can’t run the plays you want to run due to the OLine.

Completely understand that you scheme around your talent, but when your QB and RB aren’t afforded any time to make plays, your WRs don’t have the time to get open, your QB and WR aren’t on the same page as far as hot routes go, and when you ARE afforded time to throw the ball, you’re too busy bracing for a hit that isnt coming and you get anxious and make wild throws.

"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius, in contrary to Glenn Dorsey lining up in the 2-tech

by ArrowSpread on Oct 27, 2009 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Never said he was going to be a good coach, but yes the pedigree IS there

It would be ridiculous to think that Haley doesn’t know football — he’s been around it his whole life, and has been coaching it for what, over a decade? And has seen some success there, as indicated by his promotions from assistant, to position coach, to O.C…

So yes, I am HOPING that he will turn into a great H.C., because he’s OUR H.C and frankly I’ve no reason to not support him in his first year. What rookie H.C. doesn’t make mistakes in his first season? Its never really a job you’re prepared for until you’ve been through it.

"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius, in contrary to Glenn Dorsey lining up in the 2-tech

by ArrowSpread on Oct 27, 2009 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Growing pains

Yes we all wanted the Chiefs to be better than they are at this point, but as I have tried to point out a few times, the Chiefs are much closer to a brand new expansion team than we are a playoff contender. I personally have faith in the new leadership, I know that sounds strange after what we have seen so far this season, however I think with time and a chance to draft and pick up FA’s that we did not really have this off season things can turn around.

The Chiefs were not a good team to start with, many of us older fans remember the dark times from before. We also remember when the Chiefs were always expected in the playoffs and that’s what I’m expecting in 2 or 3 more seasons. The whole team has and is being remade right before our eyes, and just like remaking a house it always looks much worse before it gets better. We can yell and scream at the contractor for making a mess and tearing things up, but sometimes it has to be done to get to the end product. If you were really expecting the Chiefs to be a playoff contender this season you were more hopeful than realistic. It will take time, we may not understand why things are done the way they are done, but the Hunt family hired people they think that will give us the best shot at being successful.

is it me? or isn't about time the Lamar Hunt trophy belonged to His team?

I’m a Chiefs fan Dammit and I’m damn proud of it!

by KC Fanatic on Oct 27, 2009 10:07 AM CDT reply actions  

Patience is Key

It’s going to take a few years. Clark Hunt has hired the right GM, now let’s allow him to do his job. It’s hard to watch the games on Sundays this season, but I believe them when they say it’s a process. Lots of teams are able to turn things around quickly with big free agent splashes, but they don’t have the long-term stability of franchises like New England, Pittsburgh and Indianapolis.

Everyone makes fun of owners like Snyder and Davis, yet they screech at the top of their lungs to make the same disastrous free agent acquisitions. Pioli will build through the draft and cherry-pick the best fits for the franchise. I say we give him time.

by Chief-Eli on Oct 27, 2009 10:14 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

I don't know if people realize what a coup it was for Clark to land Pioli.

Pioli has been voted Executive of the Year 4 times this decade, won 3 Superbowls. This is the first year Pioli really listened to any offers to leave New England. Teams have been pursuing him for several years and he’s turned down interviews because he was happy in New England.

Toby is in HR, which technically means he works for corporate, so he's really not a part of our family. Also, he's divorced, so he's really not a part of his family.

by Rev. Slappy on Oct 27, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I know

That is what makes it so frustrating to see the team regressing from last year.
I was very disapointed in the draft and free agency and now he seems to have the blinders on and is only focusing on players that he has ties to. I’d like to believe this is all part of his master plan, but I just don’t know…

I ♥ Dick Vermeil

by craig in calgary on Oct 27, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Back off Haley

I agree that patience is the key. What Herm destroyed in 3 years Haley can’t fix in 7 games. You have the right people in charge to turn this around leave them alone. I only ask that Hunt, Pioli, and Haley go ahead and get rid of the biggest cancer on the team and I bet I don’t even have to give his initials for everyone to figure out who that is.

by DHiler on Oct 27, 2009 10:33 AM CDT reply actions  

too optimistic

i was a bit to optimistic, i thought we would go .500 but i guess not. they sad thing is Haley is on the verge of putting his own foot in his mouth, i think. stating that he can take 53 guys from the street and win 2 games. well he’s on the verge of only winning 2 games. at least last year we had alot of close games. Cassell is not impressing me yet, regardless of the o-line. should have kept thigpen and worked with him. that would have saved our 2nd round pick last time and we could have gotten rey maluaga, he’s doing pretty damn good this year imo. as is aaron curry. hopefully this offseason we work hard on improving our O-line and LB core.

Proud Supporter of Tyler Thigpen.

by nfamous209 on Oct 27, 2009 10:35 AM CDT reply actions  

But did Haley really say that?

He never said it in public and to the best of my knowledge the only “source” for that quote is Whitlock. I don’t know if I trust Whitlock any further than I could throw the fat ass.

Toby is in HR, which technically means he works for corporate, so he's really not a part of our family. Also, he's divorced, so he's really not a part of his family.

by Rev. Slappy on Oct 27, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree...

It doesn’t sound like something Haley would say,especially to a player.

by idahochieffan on Oct 27, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

very true

but if he did actually say it then well that says alot.

but still not impressed w/ cassel

Proud Supporter of Tyler Thigpen.

by nfamous209 on Oct 27, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

if one really stands back and evaluates that statement....

it is very possible that he said it, but we have no idea the tone of his voice when he said it…. He cold have very easily meant "I could take 22 guys off the street and win 2 games too… as in, Haley was saying he was just as capable of doing what Herm did last year…. and when you read the statement like that, it doesn’t seem that bad at all. “Hey Waters, I realize you are mad right now, but remember, I could win 2 games with 22 guys off the street just like Herm”

The statement is really not that big of a deal…

by LClarkson on Oct 27, 2009 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know
well he’s on the verge of only winning 2 games.

I know we lost to them the first time, but I can’t see losing to the Raiders twice. Then there’s the Bills and Browns who are also among the worst teams in the league. We should at the very least be able to hit 3 wins.

by bh13 on Oct 27, 2009 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have tons of patience but...

I just feel that Pendergast is not the answer at D Coordinator. He doesn’t seem to know when to blitz properly and this is putting undue pressure on our secondary to cover forever. Also, the breakdowns in the secondary are a result of his coaching and his packages. I just feel like he’s not the answer.

Haley, on the other hand, is our Head Coach for at least the next few seasons. I like how he shook things up at the beginning of the season and it goes in stride with what Pioli has done from the GM position. My only problem so far with Haley is what he’s doing as an Off Coordinator…but the jury is still out on this as I’m sure he’s learning on the fly how to handle both the HC and OC duties.

Our record…we are a loss under where I thought we would be. That Raiders loss is the one that really really bothers me. The blowouts by the Chargers and Eagles hurt but are expected from a team in transition trying to find its identity.

by Kristospherein on Oct 27, 2009 11:09 AM CDT reply actions  

I just don't get it
just feel that Pendergast is not the answer at D Coordinator.

Back off Haley is what everyone is saying. But who brought in Pendergast? Who took on more than he is capable of – HC and play calling + offensive coordinator? Who fired Chan Gailey week before season opener?

Predictions as of 06.24.2009.

Larry Johnson will be a top 3 fantasy pick once again in 2010 (after a monster season in 2009.)
Dwayne Bowe will be a 2009 Pro Bowl selection.
Brandon Flowers will have at least 6 INTs in 2009 season.
Todd Haley will have a sideline shouting match caught on TV yelling at one of his asst. coaches.

by 58 was my friend on Oct 27, 2009 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Pendergast is still showing he is not the greatest DC

And proof of that is his release from Zona. We certainly didn’t go to the Cards begging for this guy.

"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius, in contrary to Glenn Dorsey lining up in the 2-tech

by ArrowSpread on Oct 27, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

Chan should have been given more time...

If things weren’t working at the end of the this season,then let him go.

by idahochieffan on Oct 27, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Chan should have been given more time...

if Haley made a mistake it was probably dropping Chan from his OC duties. The problem is a HC is responsible for everything that goes on with his team. LJs breakdown in judgment the other day, falls on the HCs shoulders, etc, etc. However, I feel it is impossible to judge a HCs performance based upon half a years worth of games. On the other hand, I am clumping what Pendergast did last year with Arizona with how their defense is currently plus what he has done here so far. I am not impressed. I feel like Owners and GMs need to have more long term faith in their HCs and give them at the very least 3 years to show their worth. Anything under that (unless your last name is Zorn), just isn’t enough to show how well you work with the psychological and emotional side of the team.

by Kristospherein on Oct 27, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

I disagree

If they knew they weren’t going to be compatible, you make the move now and get it over with.

Yes, it sets the team back this year but most of us knew this year wasn’t going to be very good to begin with. No need to spend a whole season on a system you don’t want to be running.

Make the move, get the players familiar with the system you want to be running this year. If it’s not working out splitting HC/OC duties, hire someone that you’re comfortable with to run the system you now have established.

by bh13 on Oct 27, 2009 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

I put some of the blame on Clark

I can’t remember where I read it now, but supposedly Clark talked them into keeping Chan around to start. Then when they felt it wasn’t going to work, Pioli and Haley talked Clark into letting them make the move.

by bh13 on Oct 27, 2009 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

I remember when the NFL announced 2009 schedules...

…everybody said then after looking at the trip thru the NFC East that we could easily be winless at the bye week. Best estimates were 2 wins at the bye. I laugh at all the screaming and gnashing of teeth at our current performance.

HELLO! We all knew and agreed that the schedule before the bye was brutal and we were right. We also marveled at how gentle our late schedule was and held out hope for a few wins there. I still think that’s accurate, but I was also counting on weak Bengals and Donkeys.

I place our team in the category of bad but moving in the right direction. I think that’s a far cry better than quite a few teams in the NFL (Titans, Rams, Raiders). I want a team that is in it for the long haul and that takes time.

by RrustyDawg on Oct 27, 2009 11:13 AM CDT reply actions  

I did rusty I did too.

But now I don’t know how to say we’re moving in the right direction. We are almost dead last in every category in the NFL. Almost dead last in EVERY shitty category. We are bottom dwellers. So i don’t know where to go to get the mentality of “heading in the right direction”.

If I see us step and execute some plays then yes, until then I don’t know.

by krayfish on Oct 27, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

I personally thought we would upset a couple of those teams..

Which, we should have. The Cowboys practically served it up, but it was a reasonable expectation that we could win that game before the season even started because the ’Boys are well-known underachievers. Also should have won the Raider game, and the Skins was the other one.

I was certainly expecting 2 or 3 wins by the bye prior to seeing how terrible our OLine was in the preseason, and even after the Raider game we should some pretty good improvement that I thought we would certainly build on. We just haven’t, really. As soon as we take a few steps foward in some areas, we take a few steps back in some others.

All that said, I still think Haley is saying the right things and sticking to his guns, even if it hasn’t produced the results he was hoping for, which is just as much the players fault as it is the coaching.

"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius, in contrary to Glenn Dorsey lining up in the 2-tech

by ArrowSpread on Oct 27, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

no way

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Oct 27, 2009 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Next year...

I would expect huge staff and player changes. They didn’t have a lot of choices with staff because of waiting for Haley. As far as players go you can only dump so many of them – can’t replace all of them in one year.
8-8 next year, playoffs in 2011.

by idahochieffan on Oct 27, 2009 11:13 AM CDT reply actions  

Not much...

Enjoying a nice, sunny 50 degree day.

by idahochieffan on Oct 27, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yup,

They don’t get another evaluation year.

by idahochieffan on Oct 27, 2009 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

no way man...

that’s why the real answer it to be patient and wait, because really we have no choice in the matter anyway.

But next year if they don’t do some serious moves and get their asses busy bringing in some real talent here in KC i’m going to go ape shit like nothing you’ll see from me this year.

I’ll write Haley a letter and ask him to please resign personally. (LIKE that’ll do any good).

But I hope they just get it right and let’s get going here and win.

by krayfish on Oct 27, 2009 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

I expected us to be better coached is all.

I don’t care about the record. That happens when your team is devoid of talent and sucks from every angle. I can deal with that. I don’t like how other teams were aggressive at picking up some real serious talent that was available to help their teams improve, while we did nothing. We bring guys’ out of retirement.

I don’t care at all about the record. Expected…yes! But, our team should be better than we currently are. Not record wise. Execution wise, trade wise, draft wise – hard to judge the draft this early. We don’t look well coached to me. I could be wrong and I’m ok with that and I hope I am, but PER HALEY – I have to go on what I SEE not what I WANT to believe.

I personally do not judge us on our record, but if I go by what I see, we are worse than last year in many areas. Many areas. I don’t see an improvement in the coaching so far. Again, I hope I’m wrong, but I don’t do kool-aid.

by krayfish on Oct 27, 2009 11:25 AM CDT reply actions  

I expected...

Kray, Congratulations on not wearing rose-colored glasses. Haley, to become a successful coach, needs to grow up, and improve his “people skills”; treat his players like adults, and loose some prejudgices he has, namely automatically assuming Edwards’ draft picks aren’t players. Secondly, he needs to delegate authority. Get an OC. Stay focused on game plans. Use the play-makers he does have. Keep his emotions in check during games.

by Special K on Oct 27, 2009 11:41 AM CDT reply actions  

tks k

We all just want to have a winning team here we can be proud of and I understand everyone’s frustration, I really do. we’re all in this together like it or not because we’re true fans and loyal to a fault.

by krayfish on Oct 27, 2009 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think people are making too much of the Edwards’ draft pick thing.

He likes Hali’s effort and the way he’s made the transition. He’s riding Bowe because he wants him to be the best he can be, even told him “Don’t let me break you.” He’s already saying good things about Kolby and he hasn’t even played yet.

He complimented Albert in the offseason for putting in the work they asked of him, he’s done the same for Dorsey now that he’s worked hard to get where they wanted him. He’s said good things about Flowers and Carr in the past.

He’s starting to say good things about Charles because Charles is starting to play up to his ability. I’m pretty sure he said some good things about Richardson this week too.

by bh13 on Oct 27, 2009 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

One Signficant Counter-Point

I have one possible rebuttal to the point of this article. This team isn’t a very good team, true enough. However, last Firday evening, I was dumping some old programs off the DVR, and I came across the NFL networks’ condensed replay of the Chiefs-Ravens game of week 1. Our Chiefs played a very solid game against a much stronger team. The offense was efficient, and the D, while on the field most of the game, played tough until the final 3 minutes, when Pendergast went “all-in” with a double safety blitz. With the exception of the ‘boys game, we haven’t played to that level since. My point is, yes, we’re a weak team, but this team still isn’t playing up to it’s potential.

by Special K on Oct 27, 2009 11:48 AM CDT reply actions  

Sorry, but I hate these posts...

We all expected to suck this year? Un-exceptable! At least Herm gaves us hope from having a team improve from week to week. That’s all we were asking. Time is not the magical recipe for winning. Ask Detroit.

by 12t on Oct 27, 2009 11:56 AM CDT reply actions  

Not sure why you hate these posts...

We knew they would not be good this year. And they aren’t good this year. What’s not good about saying that?

What would be negative and – unacceptable (see spelling) – is endlessly parading rose-colored predictions of 8 to 10 wins around here with a talent base that we have.

by Matt Conner on Oct 27, 2009 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Glad to see the delusion around here is finally starting to wear off

To think I got hassled so much during the off season when I questioned the moves the Chiefs were making and that realistically there wasn’t much hope the Chiefs would be any good this year. The chiefs are a BAD team and will continue to be for some time. Too many holes to fill.

I don't want no Yo-Yos

by AK_47 on Oct 27, 2009 12:10 PM CDT reply actions  

Lets face reality

Not a good draft this past year. I know you can’t fully judge a draft for 2-3 years, but you still have to believe you will see glimmers of hope for the future. I’ve seen no glimmers of hope for magee, washington, brown, lawerence, etc that they will be nothing more than a solid backup at best. Thats not going to cut it for a bad team that already has lots of starters on the team that are seen as holes. Jackson and Succop were great pickups but filling 2 holes a year through the draft will only equal more of the same where we stand now: BAD

Its historical for Chiefs fans to think that players/GMs will all of sudden make great turn arounds and produce. (LJ, DJ, Croyle, Carl Peterson, Pollard, etc). Its funny how you can be patient for people like that but not a guy like Jared Allen, Scott Fujita, Lawrence Tynes, etc. You have to know when to cut your loses and its certainly evident that Chiefs fans/GMs are simply too optimistic for the wrong people. I’m not saying get down in the dumps just be real. Its going to be a LONG time before things turn around in KC folks

I don't want no Yo-Yos

by AK_47 on Oct 27, 2009 12:56 PM CDT reply actions  

Like the reality check but...

I have been reading on this site for a long time and starting to find the vibe the past couple weeks getting down. People need to put this season in perspective, we have a rookie HC, rookie full GM, and had a terrible team last year.

I agree with AK a lot but I think everyone needs to sit back and let them get another full year before doing any judging. This entire season has been makeshift, with Pioli getting his coach from a SB team and I think he will be fine.

Then Haley having to get leftovers of the previous staff because all the good assistants had jobs. Anyone in management knows the best staff people are usually, and I stress usually cuzz no one can predict job losses, not the ones looking for job but the ones that are already working.

So next year will be the telling year for the staff in my humble opinion. But I do think that the DC will be gone, look at what arizona has done with their personal on defense.

by IowaChiefFan on Oct 27, 2009 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry but the (we knew it would be this way) is ridiculous

Tell me who really thought we would be this bad? We were scoring over 20 points a game last year and lost a bunch of games by only 7 points or less. We got a new GM that supposedly has an eye for talent and he changed out about half the roster. So we should have gotten better. Most didn’t think we would be a playoff team but 6-8 wins didn’t seem like too much to ask.

Our offense has been bad, they have only scored 20 points once this season so far, and no the offense didn’t score over 20 in the Ravens game, ST and the defense helped with that score. We have gotten blown out of a lot of games and the only games where we had a chance was not because we played good but because the other teams played so bad, and we still lost 2 out of those 3 of those games. Bowe wont even get 1000 yards this season if things don’t change.

So yes I did expect to be better this year since last year we played in a gimmick offense and a 3rd string QB.

Chiefs set an NFL record,most roster changes in 1 season.

by bringbacktheglory on Oct 27, 2009 2:13 PM CDT reply actions  

Sorry...

But I told Joel and Chris I’m surprised if we win a single game this year at the outset.

by Matt Conner on Oct 27, 2009 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Then you are smarter than everyone else.

Because before the season, I don’t remember seeing anyone guessing lower than 4 wins. So what made you think we would do worse than last year? Was it getting a GM that was known for his talent evaluation. Was it getting a better QB?

Chiefs set an NFL record,most roster changes in 1 season.

by bringbacktheglory on Oct 27, 2009 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

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