Breaking Down the Chiefs and Chargers Tape - O-Line
Breaking Down the Tape: O-line vs San Diego Chargers
From the FanPosts -Joel
A saying that will always ring true in football, "the film never lies." Each week one fan says a particular offensive lineman is doing poorly and at the same time another fan says the worst player is some other offensive lineman entirely. Well, the film never lies. This post will attempt to expose the players performances by evaluating the execution of each player on every offensive play.
Here's how it works:
- Each offensive lineman was given a "+" for doing their job or a "-" for failing to do their job on each play.
- These pluses and minuses were grouped into the type of block they were asked to do, e.g., a run block solo (RB Solo), a run block double team (RB Double), or a pass block solo (PB Solo), etc.
- A "D", for "driven", was assigned every time a player was manhandled during a pass or run play.
- The quality of the lineman's play is represented as a percentage below. The higher the percentage the better the lineman did.
- I tried to be very strict...I think Haley would want it that way.
- One important note, some plays were unclear as to who exactly did not do their job, e.g., a defensive tackle going unblocked at the line of scrimmage. Was it the centers fault? The guards fault? In these cases it was clear that a mistake was made and the player that looked to be most at fault was assigned the blame.
Here are the grades from first three quarters against the San Diego Chargers:
| San Diego Chargers |
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|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Player | RB Solo |
RB Double |
RB Second Level |
PB Solo |
PB Double |
Got Driven |
| Smith (C) |
100% |
75% |
2 |
88% |
100% |
1 |
| Waters | 93% |
-- |
2 |
95% |
100% |
0 |
| Neswanger | 66% |
100% |
-- |
0 |
||
| Goff | 93% |
66% |
2 |
72% |
100% |
4 |
| O'Callaghan |
84% |
50% |
2 |
90% |
100% |
1 |
| Ryan |
60% |
100% |
2 |
-- |
100% |
0 |
| Smith (T) |
100% |
-- |
60% |
-- |
||
| Richardson |
100% |
-- |
1 |
60% |
100% |
1 |
"Lineman Making the Grade"
via www.kcchiefs.com
Here are some observations from a review of the tape:
- In the game against the Redskins the Tight Ends were left one-on-one with a pass rushing defender and were beat repeatedly. In the game against the Chargers the tight ends were used more as a double team help.
- Smith played very well at center. He did especially well at passing players off and picking up loop stunts.
- Goff looks to have two major weaknesses: 1. He can get bull rushed, 2. His decision making when passing off defenders in pass protection or picking up a loop stunts.
- Waters is solid.
- None of the lineman are good at drive blocking, which is not a good thing for Larry Johnson. The lineman are more "shield" blockers and need more of a versatile back that can see the field and get through whatever hole opens up.
- Larry Johnson did not have a very good day picking the holes. Many times it looked like Larry had predetermined that he would cut back. He frequently ran right in the back of a lineman when he could have went through a crease for a couple of yards.
- The worst blockers are the Tight Ends, by far. After watching two games of film it is evident that the Tight End blocking is very poor.
- O'Callaghan, Goff, and Richardson do not pick up blitzes very well. Waters and Smith, when Smith is at center, pick up blitzes well and at times block two players at once.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Arrowhead Pride's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Arrowhead Pride writers or editors.
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well done
very scientific
I think it probably supports our general impressions:
Goff can run block, but is woeful at pass blocking
Niswanger couldn’t run block
Even if his play has “declined”… Waters is still the best lineman the Chiefs have
Smith will likely start at C, when Albert is back at LT
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Oct 27, 2009 10:02 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
AND
TE is a HUGE problem when it comes to blocking
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Oct 27, 2009 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I might add...
that Niswanger did not get very many plays this week. I don’t think his pass protection would be at 100% if he had played the entire game.
Bewsaf
by Bewsaf on Oct 27, 2009 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was wondering about that
It would be to the teams advantage, IMHO, if we took this bye week and established Smith as Center and Alleman or Nudekekiwakiweki as the Right guard and tried it the remainder of the season.
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.
by Lanier63 on Oct 27, 2009 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The biggest knocks commenters are making on Waters
is because of his holding penalties. That’s been the basis of questioning his play in the comments I’ve read.
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by Big Chief on Oct 27, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, those have been bad
and false starts
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Oct 27, 2009 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
true, look at will shields, the guy still would go an entire season without a penalty at the end of his career
by SDChief on Oct 28, 2009 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could some of Waters' problems
be a result of not trusting Niswanger to pick up his blocks successfully so he’s trying to get off the line as quickly as possible or feeling extra responsibility to protect Cassel?
Don’t get me wrong, Waters isn’t getting any younger and could easily be runnin’ on empty at this point in his career but I don’t think it’s all that implausible to attribute at least some of his penalties to the futility of the rest of our OL.
Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...
by JHWK on Oct 30, 2009 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will repeat...
what I said in the post, “None of the lineman are good at drive blocking.” That included Waters. I did not see him drive block anyone down the field. He did his job every play…but he did more grabbing and pulling than I have seen him do in past years (when he would maul people).
Bewsaf
by Bewsaf on Oct 28, 2009 8:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I imagine part of that is MAYBE knowing the rest of the line isn't as good as what it used to be
… and being the wiley vet he is, MAYBE trying to “do too much” to cover for other guys on the line … always SOME holding going on in the trenches on just about every play, but how closely do the refs call it
just tossing out an idea
oh well done on the post, ty! and rec’d
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by upamtn on Oct 28, 2009 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not a drive-blocking scheme.
That’s what the head-scratcher is on Goff. The thinking was, when he was acquired, that KC would run more of a drive-blocking scheme, which was Goff’s best shot at returning to the success he had workin’ for Marty. Every (little – and they were mostly little) thing Pioli did on O-Line pointed toward a hard-nosed Erhardt Perkins blocking scheme, and then Haley ran ’em like gazelles and they instituted a zone blocking scheme, which was why (in the minds of some) Goff disappeared in San Diego, before reappearing in KC.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 28, 2009 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very well put together post and a great job at that!
I appreciate you guys who can take the time to do this and the information does not go unappreciated in the very least.
I have been saying for awhile that I think O’Calls game will get better when he gets a better guard playing beside him.
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.
by Lanier63 on Oct 27, 2009 10:11 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah, I think O'Call is the LEAST of the worries at OL
blitzers sometimes get through on that side, but usually when O’Call has his guy locked down.
He needs help from TE, RB, RG when the defense sends those extra guys
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Oct 27, 2009 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate to keep punking on Goff
but he is as bad as McIntosh was and its killing us.
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.
by Lanier63 on Oct 27, 2009 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
From what I saw from the tape...
O’Callaghan and Goff do not seem to be on the same page yet on who should be passed off and where the other will be during pass protection.
Bewsaf
by Bewsaf on Oct 27, 2009 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Goff never seemed to be on the same page with any who have played RT
I think he is the problem
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.
by Lanier63 on Oct 27, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he was good in SD
but it looks like he is having a bad year or the game has passed him by.
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.
by Lanier63 on Oct 27, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think...
SD let Goff walk for a reason.
by I_Bleed_Red. on Oct 27, 2009 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
bewsaf lives!!!!!!!!!!
what’s up bewsaf? was waiting for you to post again. I’m posted out man…your turn…good post too. agreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed. (I havent’ read it yet)
by krayfish on Oct 27, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not much to say..
but that it was well put together…. and I rec’d it…
by callmesir on Oct 27, 2009 10:14 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Great article, rec
I REALLY don’t like that both our LT’s in that game (Smith and Richardson) had a solo pass blocking ratio of 60%. That’s not going to help Cassell stay vertical instead of horizontal!
Cry Havoc! And let slip the Chiefs Defense of War!!!
by nateforchiefs on Oct 27, 2009 10:45 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I still have trouble clicking on your fanposts
After those “Dear John” posts
shudder
I ♥ Dick Vermeil
by craig in calgary on Oct 27, 2009 10:48 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
A little traumatic post disorder?
Bewsaf
by Bewsaf on Oct 27, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LMAO craig...
me too….NO MORE LOVE LETTERS!!
by krayfish on Oct 27, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice post
TE blocking is by far my biggest gripe on offense. It’s interesting to see that after your review that Smith made a good impression at center. I’ll be watching this one with keen interest. I’m a bit bummed out that O’Callaghan has problems picking up the blitz. Goff and Richardson, yeah, it’s fairly obvious. I really hope that O’Callaghan improves over the remainder of the season. Let’s just hope that we can rotate guys like Alleman and Ndukwe through the RG slot and show some improvement.
The thing that is so alarming (other than the sheer lack of talent) on the O-line is that we have relentlessly tinkered with the lineup over and above the absences due to injury. We have tinkered with the play calling and the scheme as well. As long as we keep this up, there’s little to no chance for improvement on that side of the ball. We need to try to get good at what we have, talent or not.
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by Buck'O on Oct 27, 2009 10:58 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Smith demonstrated...
an ability to see beyond the guy in front of him…something I did not see in a lot of the lineman other than Waters. Not sure if he is a long time solution. O’Callaghan passed off his player and picked up blitzes better than Goff, for sure, and Richardson. However, O’Callaghan missed some also. Of those three O’Callaghan looked to be the better player…just a little inconsistent this game.
Bewsaf
by Bewsaf on Oct 27, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will note...
O’Callaghan made a better pass protection grade than Smith.
Bewsaf
by Bewsaf on Oct 27, 2009 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and, again
I didn’t see O’Call get beat by HIS man very often…
just those extra blitzers that cause problems when he doesn’t get help
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Oct 27, 2009 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And when the TE to your right...
a supposed BLOCKING TE in Sean Ryan—can’t seem to win a 1on 1 battle with a blitzing ANYthing, well, as the RT you’re going to look a lot worse.
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius, in contrary to Glenn Dorsey lining up in the 2-tech
by ArrowSpread on Oct 27, 2009 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great info.
I too would like to see Wade as the center. Niswanger is just too tall and gets no leverage, especially against a NT who is right under him. Got to have the short squatty guys. It also allows the QB better vision down the field.
TE is definitely a problem and with Ryan’s drops on Sunday I’m not sure what value he really provides. I would rather see Cottam or O’Connell get a shot if they can at least block better.
I remember Dawson to Taylor, Kenney to Carson, and Blackledge catching the snap in his facemask. Seen it all...
by BinSC on Oct 27, 2009 11:03 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Let's move Niswanger to TE then
"The road to Easy Street goes through the sewer."
--John Madden
by cpa913 on Oct 27, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
let's move niswanger out of KC then
by krayfish on Oct 27, 2009 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he'll probably be on IR
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Oct 27, 2009 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In fact, you could have a short yardage grouping
TE – Niswanger
TE2-Tyson Jackson
Slot Back – Vrabel
Full Back- Dorsey
That would cover up any OL shortcomings on short yardage (if we ever get short yardage).
"The road to Easy Street goes through the sewer."
--John Madden
by cpa913 on Oct 27, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the hard work.
exactly what i was thinking about our linemen.
by Kristospherein on Oct 27, 2009 11:12 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think...
if we use our two 2nd rounders on interior lineman and get a blocking TE in say the 4th we could fix a lot of this team’s problems.
2a. Laputi – blue chip RG from Idaho
2b. O’Dowd – best center in this class from USC
4. Peek – great blocking TE for Alabama
by I_Bleed_Red. on Oct 27, 2009 11:21 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Very nice
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by woodman212 on Oct 27, 2009 11:54 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
OL Grades
Good job. ’Nuf said. Thanks.
by Special K on Oct 27, 2009 11:54 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Great post rec
question though, Do we run a zone blocking scheme or something else?
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
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by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 27, 2009 2:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i believe it's been referred to as a zone blocking scheme
Which typically demands smaller, more athletic OL…
thus, the weight loss for Albert and others.
That might also give a clue as to what type of linemen are being looked at in FA and the draft…
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Oct 27, 2009 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't expect zone blocking to this degree.
And Colin Brown, Mike Goff, in particular, are maulers. Expected to see a dead-ahead style, for the most part, and we’re not seeing that Erhardt-Perkins blocking scheme, as others here predicted.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 27, 2009 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What does Muir excel at teaching.
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 27, 2009 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Article
“Mangurian replaces former Bucs offensive line coach Bill Muir, who served in that capacity from 2002-08. He also inherits a group of players that are considered the strength of the offense, which is in the process of learning the zone-blocking scheme Jagodzinski has implemented in Tampa Bay. "
http://www.pewterreport.com/articles/view/5484
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The key word seems to be “implementing” implying that the Bucs ran a man blocking scheme when Bill Muir was OL coach. Muir is known as a good O-Line coach, but I have never heard him mentioned as a zb coach. This just keeps getting more confusing to me.
by Nick Britt on Oct 27, 2009 11:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's like everywhere you look, it's square peg in a round hole stuff...
Weird.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 28, 2009 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Need for blocking TE was OBVIOUS for the offseason.
I don’t blame the TEs but for the fact that they went after TEs with no blocking in their resumes in the first place. I expected blocking TEs to be the priority with all the “Haley doesn’t use TEs much in the passing game” talk that we heard in the offseason.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 27, 2009 2:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
well...
Ryan was known as a blocker… he’s just TERRIBLE at it
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Oct 27, 2009 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why do we even play a TE?
Maybe we should just not play a TE anymore, as ours aren’t good at anything. Whenever they stay in to pass block, it’s a disaster, so let’s not ask them to stay in to pass block anymore. If we need more protection for a play, send in an OL and take out the TE.
On plays when we want another receiver, then use Pope for that, but any other time, use another OL instead of a TE, maybe lined up as an H-back or lined up where we have a TE now.
by Offense of the 70s on Oct 27, 2009 11:32 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Just bring in a Tackle Eligible all game!
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by woodman212 on Oct 28, 2009 12:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
probably couldn't do worse
Or just bring in a blocking TE and dump one or two of our useless ones.
by Offense of the 70s on Oct 28, 2009 7:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just what I was thinking.
Another idea is to just line Ryan up as a fullback and run the offense with 2 FBs to slam the line, go out for a pass, or pass protect.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 28, 2009 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Excellent.
If you had time, would make a great weekly feature.
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by Bryan Everson (The Royalty of Roto) on Oct 28, 2009 2:54 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice post
I would think a change at RG would’ve been made by game 7. One of the other guys should get a shot since we’ve only seen them at a position they don’t normally play. From what I’ve observed, everybody but Haley feels that way.
by hayoli on Oct 29, 2009 5:37 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Interesting and nicely broken down
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by Bad Medicine on Oct 29, 2009 9:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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