Chiefs Roster Checklist

by stagdsp on Oct 26, 2009 8:42 PM CDT Comment 106 comments

From the FanPosts. -Chris

Here it is, the bye week. I thought it'd be a perfect time to review each spot on the 53 man roster, and categorize players as one of three things:

Solid Starter/Contributor- little or no need to upgrade (replace ONLY if a great player comes along)
Average Contributor- an upgrade would be good, but not mandatory ( replace if possible)
A Roster Hole- upgrade sorely needed (gotta find a replacement)

Summary:

14 Solid Starters/ Contributors
22 Average Contributors (most of the LB fit here... so I could see possible upgrades)
9 Roster Holes: S, RB, RG, C, WR , NT, TE (these are clearly the shopping list for the draft/FA)
8 I'm not sure about, or it's too early to tell

Let me know your thoughts (details after the jump)

Offense:

QB Cassel : solid. Yes, he could play better, but a QB upgrade is NOT a need

QB Croyle and Gutierrez: average. They are fine as backups, unless there's someone better out there

RB LJ: Roster Hole. I think he's gone after this last fiasco. If not, he needs to be gone in the offseason.

RB Charles: solid. Not a starter yet, but he's clearly a talented contributor, and his role should increase.

RBs Savage and Smith: average. Hopefully Smith steps up in the coming weeks when he's back.

WR Bowe: solid. Yes, he has some drops, but he makes some great catches for the team.

WR Wade: solid. Not spectacular, but he's the Chiefs' #2.

WR Bradley: average. I'd like to see more out of him. He could be "upgraded" or kept.

WR Long: I think the will end up being solid. Too early to give a final grade.

WR Copper: solid... as a Special Teams guy, Roster Hole as a WR. I can see why he's on the roster.

WR Engram: roster hole... haven't really seen him at all this year.

TE Pope/Cottam/Ryan/O'Connell... roster holes. Ryan has made some good plays, but he's made more bad ones. The others are invisible. Upgrade needed at TE for sure, unless someone steps up soon.

FB Cox: average. Based on the running game, I'd say he may be below average, I just can't tell if it's his fault.

OTs Albert and O'Callaghan: solid. I could see where both could be upgraded... but I wouldn't bother, unless a fantastic tackle is availalbe.

OTs Ndukwe and Richardson: average. Both guys could be contributors... though I'd like to see Ike at Guard.

OG Waters: solid... for now. He's not having a great year, nor is Albert... but I think Waters can still play for another year if the other positions are upgraded.

OG Goff: the definition of Roster Hole. Terrible year, can't believe he's playing

OGs Wade Smith and Andy Alleman: average. Both could be versatile valuable backups... but not sure either is a starter at this point.

C Niswanger: Roster Hole. Not getting it done, and now is hurt... I think this is the #1 team need.

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Defense:

NT Edwards: average. He's played well, but an upgrade could easily be coming next year.

NT Smith: Roster Hole. He's just a placeholder at backup NT.

DEs Dorsey and Jackson: solid. Contrary to popular belief, these guys are the cornerstones of the defense, and are playing pretty well. They will only get better.

DEs Magee and Gillberry: solid... as backups, so far.

LB Vrabel: solid. He's been a real leader on defense. The Chiefs should draft his understudy, though.

LBs Studebaker and Walters: average. Haven't seen much from either, except on ST.

LBs Belcher, Mays, Williams, DJ: average. Each brings something different to the table, and have played well in spots... but each could be replaced. I'm lumping DJ in with all the rest, because that's how Haley sees it.

LB Hali: solid. He's been a nice surprise, and has made a great transition to OLB. He gets a great push, and has a non-stop motor.

LB Herron: too early to tell, probably just a place holder/ ST guy.

CBs Flowers and Carr: solid. Both have played pretty well. Carr gets burned more than Flowers, but I think both are part of the long term plan at CB.

CBs Legget, Washington, Richardson: average or roster hole. Each has played well at times, terrible at times. I could see upgrades here.

S Page, Brown, McGraw, Morgan: average or roster hole. Could use an upgrade here... Page is the best of the bunch, and Brown is a good leader, but none of these guys are good in coverage. Eric Berry, please!!!

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Special teams:

K Succop: Solid

P Colquitt: Solid

KR Charles: Average to Solid. He seems to be getting better, and he certainly has the speed.

PR Wade: Average to Roster Hole. He (usually) catches the punt, but he's not a threat to return it. If Long or Lawrence can show they are reliable, they could take this job. Otherwise, look for a draft pick to upgrade.

LS Gafford: Average to Roster Hole. That blocked kick was bad... but other than that, he's been fine.

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Arrowhead Pride's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Arrowhead Pride writers or editors.

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I see Charles as a poor man’s Darren Sproles. I think you’ll see Kolby Smith as part of the 53 man roster, perhaps in LJ’s place?

I'm officially on the 'Draft Eric Berry' train.

by scottbwalters on Oct 26, 2009 8:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I think we're overestimating Kolby Smith

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by Chris Thorman on Oct 26, 2009 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

that's very possible

“absence makes the heart grow fonder”

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Oct 26, 2009 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

true

most of us are hopeful but we will have to see if he can contribute.

A man who says he can, and a man who says he can't are both right. Which one are you?

by Bashman on Oct 26, 2009 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

or, as Groucho once said about a toothache: abcess makes a heart grow fonder ...

no huge arguments on the post … could be some nit-picking here or there but overall I think the majority of AP-ers would go with the majority of your rankings … well done, no surprises (although you could have ranked coaching just for grins)

Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!

by upamtn on Oct 26, 2009 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

coaches

man, that’d be hard.

other than the product on the field, how do you differentiate which coaches are good?

I would surely try to upgrade Clancy, though

by stagdsp on Oct 26, 2009 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i hope

we get romeo crennel to come in and be our DC this year – pendergast is really just not that good of a coordinator. we have too many big plays given up this year.

stag i laughed out loud after reading Goff’s evaluation. thought id let you know buddy. good write up keep em comin.

by CHIEFER on Oct 26, 2009 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

next year*

meant to say romeo for next year obviously.

by CHIEFER on Oct 26, 2009 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

while we're at it maybe Chan Gailey for OC position

Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!

by upamtn on Oct 26, 2009 11:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

That'd be awesome.

Guy knows how to really tailor an offense to the strengths and weaknesses of his team.

I bet he could come up with a way to make that offensive line look respectable, give Cassel time to throw and leave him the option to scramble if necessary while still putting points on the board.

by JacinB on Oct 27, 2009 8:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

and it still wouldnt matter in the long term...

But in the short term, yeah, he would help…..and it would stunt the growth….

by The IT Guy on Oct 27, 2009 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah :(

He was a nice backup to a better quality RB like LJ used to be, but he was a 5th round pick. You can only expect so much out of him.

by ChiefDJ on Oct 26, 2009 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

When he was drafted is...

irrelevent. Terrell Davis was a 6th rounder. Priest Holmes was an undrafted free agent. He can either run in the NFL or not…when he was drafted makes no difference.

by chrisclark_dfw on Oct 27, 2009 4:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed

I’ve never been high on Kolby Smith.

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by Buck'O on Oct 26, 2009 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Disagree with some of your Solids

I would not call Jamaal Charles the answer as an every down RB. I still don’t think he has the durability. He is a very nice change of pace back, but we still need a between the tackles basher for short yardage.

Bobby Wade should be a slot guy. He’s not as fast or as tall as you would like your outside receivers to be. That brings into question Lance Long. He needs to play the slot too.

I also am not ready to call O’Callaghan the answer at RT yet. I need to see more of him.

Is Tamba Hali a lock at that Right OLB position? eh. He has made the transition to OLB better than I expected, but he is still not getting CONSISTENT pressure on the QB. If we were picking in the 1st round of the draft and an elite pass rushing OLB prospect were sitting there, I wouldn’t avoid getting him just because I had Vrabel and Hali. It is a position that needs upgraded.

Agree with pretty much all your holes. I do think Brian Waters is on his last legs though. Maybe one more season in him but his play is deteriorating pretty fast.

by ChiefDJ on Oct 26, 2009 8:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I hear ya

I think Charles is in my “solid contributors” list at this point… not yet the solid starter, but I like having him on the field.

I think O’Call and Hali are both solid starters at this point… so I’d draft a OT… but only if he’s a CLEAR upgrade to Albert/O’Call… OR he’s a solid backup to them. I’d draft an OLB… but, only to replace Vrabel when he’s gone.

by stagdsp on Oct 26, 2009 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I hope..

Waters isn’t on his last legs and his poor play is a result of inconsistency around him and overall poor line play. I was hoping he could play out his contract through 2011, and a young player could be drafted this year or developed to replace him. We have so many holes…

by chrisclark_dfw on Oct 26, 2009 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

that'd be nice...

and it’s entirely possible.
Albert hasn’t played well either…
my suspicion is that both are struggling with assignments and protections…. which should be getting figured out sooner rather than later

by stagdsp on Oct 26, 2009 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree

There has been so much change in terms of personnel and schemes, but I wish they’d shake up the personnel one more time by getting Goff off the field.

by chrisclark_dfw on Oct 26, 2009 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

DJ, nobody plays EVERY down, so there's really no such thing as an "every down RB"

although there are a few who go down every down cough

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by upamtn on Oct 26, 2009 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yes, but teams that use a featured back will run him on 1st and 2nd downs

And on a good team, that is the vast majority of the time that guy is on the field.

by ChiefDJ on Oct 26, 2009 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

All I want

Is for them to f**k the bullshit. I don’t care if we spend the first 3-4 picks we have in the first couple rounds all on OL. We need it. Until then we’re gonna have other positions to use that as an excuse(QB no time to throw, RB no holes to run, etc). Get that out of the way and THEN start lookin for playmakers. We should’ve done that with all the money we had under the cap(which I don’t think carries over,no?).

by KCinIL on Oct 26, 2009 8:53 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs

it's funny that you censored f$%k, but not bull@#$t

I agree with your theory, for the most part… I think they do have to address the OL, for sure…. Then the WR/RB/QB on the team will look much better.

However, a PLAYMAKER or Three are needed on defense.

by stagdsp on Oct 26, 2009 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs

Yep

I’m all for Berry. Otherwise, NT and O-line.

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by Buck'O on Oct 26, 2009 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Good write up

I agree with almost everything you wrote.

Although, after yesterday and today I think LJ’s time in KC will be coming to an end immediately or at the latest in the offseason. I do not see RB as a hole. Smith is back, Charles has his role and Javarris Williams is still on the practice squad. I don’t think running backs are as important as the O-line, therefore, no one is going to look great at running back in a Chief’s jersey right now.

by chrisclark_dfw on Oct 26, 2009 8:56 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs

Yeah... I see what you mean

I wouldn’t be upset if they stuck with the RBs on the roster (sans LJ) and built a hellova line in front of them.

by stagdsp on Oct 26, 2009 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs

Whos next year's free agent class?

Has anyone put out a list yet? HA yeah sorry I figure the f bomb was a little worse

by KCinIL on Oct 26, 2009 8:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

just thought it was funny.

yeah, there was a post about FAs…

by stagdsp on Oct 26, 2009 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

It would be nice to be able to draft Vrabel's understudy

But I can’t see Vrabel wanting to resign with us during the twilight of his career. But overall, I agree with most of your assessments.

by Clarry on Oct 26, 2009 8:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Thanks a lot!

I’m so glad to see something that we can debate that isn’t LJ. Thanks for the post, as I’m sure this took some time to put together.

by 1kmilesfromkc on Oct 26, 2009 8:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I came here to post the same thing

Thanks stag.

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by Chris Thorman on Oct 26, 2009 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Left Tackle needs to be our first pick.

Albert isn’t the answer at LT. We need as stud and we need to get that addressed first and foremost. Albert can easily slide to the LG as he did in college. Waters, who isn’t what he was (or what we thought he was with good support around him) moves either center or right side.

Vrable, Succop, and Colquitt are really our only solids(partially kidding here)

by NCchief65 on Oct 26, 2009 9:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

about right

position wise, I could see the Chiefs taking any position #1 except special teams and cornerback.

by xchiefsx on Oct 26, 2009 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Any body else see the item on MNF

showing Len Dawson and Hank Stram as like 2nd among most consecutive games for a QB and coach dou?
Goes along with most AFL titles for a QB coach duo.

by BCRavenJHawkfan on Oct 26, 2009 9:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

saw that

very nice!

by reedeasy on Oct 26, 2009 9:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

The long snapper has no blocking responsibilities

His only job is to snap the ball. The guards block down, as does everyone else, and protects the gap to their inside. That’s why 90% of FG block schemes have guys coming from the outside. If a D Lineman blocks a FG, then yeah, someone definitely missed a block, but its not on the long snapper’s fault.

In fact, the whole roughing the snapper penalty is predicated on the fact the snapper’s head is down and he is therefore unable to block.

Trust me on this one guys. I deep snapped in HS and college. That block against Dallas wasn’t Gafford’s fault

by Throw Up The X on Oct 26, 2009 9:28 PM CDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs

good to know, thanks

by stagdsp on Oct 26, 2009 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

If only someone

would let Goff know that he’s not the LS.

by Jawookie on Oct 26, 2009 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs

haha, rec

by stagdsp on Oct 26, 2009 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

LOL

Good one…..

by Chris Olson on Oct 26, 2009 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Good stuff

I think safety is a roster hole though. McGraw should not be on the field except special teams, and now we finally understand why the Bears were able to part ways with Mike Brown so easily. DaJaun Morgan was a raw guy that never fully developed. Page has shown signs of being solid, but is still inconsistant.

We need a playmaker at safety. Eric Berry anyone?

by Nick Britt on Oct 26, 2009 9:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

i totally agree, and was about to add that to the list

I’m really hoping for Berry
the secondary as a whole is a hole… but a guy like Berry could make Carr and Flowers better

by stagdsp on Oct 26, 2009 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Berry was an absolute stud in that alabama game

The man continually impresses me (I’m sure Berry will be thrilled to know that he is impressing me).

by Fourstrike89 on Oct 26, 2009 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I've watched a few Tennessee games this

year. Every one of them he’s looked great.

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by Chris Thorman on Oct 26, 2009 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

That Florida game he looked like the first overall draft pick

He was quite literally in very defensive play.
Plus he made Tebow look average!

I ♥ Dick Vermeil

by craig in calgary on Oct 26, 2009 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

And he was in on that late 4th quarter Alabama fumble.

by Fourstrike89 on Oct 26, 2009 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i dont care if

ciron black or whoever the hell is there in the first round. eric berry needs to be a chief. we have our guys for the trenches – we need our big playmaker in the defensive backfield not only to make the brandons better, but to be the leader of this mal-nourished defense.

by CHIEFER on Oct 26, 2009 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Berry is the best player on the field in any game he plays in. He’s that good.

I'm officially on the 'Draft Eric Berry' train.

by scottbwalters on Oct 27, 2009 12:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

The Chiefs dropped Lawrence.

Also, I think what he was trying to say is that Charles should be used more (as I think we all agree) but is definitely a change of pace back. We need a workhorse type of back to fill LJs spot.

Also, I personally don’t believe Carr is solid, I would say he’s average. I think the majority of our secondary’s problems with the big plays are the stupid “hybrid” BS Clancy runs and our lack of a pass rush by our LBs. We need more speed out of our LBs. Don’t even get me started on our line….

by Kristospherein on Oct 26, 2009 9:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Lawrence will likely be on the PS by the morning

and, yeah Carr could be borderline… but with better Safety play, he and Flowers could be good to great

by stagdsp on Oct 26, 2009 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think Edwards would be an awesome #2 NT. You need to have two serviceable NT’s, and he’s shown his best stuff this year. He definitely should be the backup though.

by EyePod on Oct 26, 2009 9:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Nice post idea, rec'd

I agree with most of your analysis. Where I differ is that it’s time for both Waters and Goff to retire. TE too early to tell, Pope hasn’t been here long.

Speaking of Long, I’d like to see him as PR

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by cpa913 on Oct 26, 2009 9:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

So looking at next years draft...here are a couple names that could come up for us..

tell me what you guys think…

Taylor Mays FS Southern California-Not human.

Ndamukong Suh DT Nebraska-This dude is a beast (Not sure if he would fit with us though)

Russell Okung OT Oklahoma State-Probably wouldn’t consider him to be a true LT because i have seen him get burned a couple times and we don’t need anymore of that. But he did play RT in 06’

Brandon LaFell WR LSU- Can catch the ball and is fast. He is having a good year even with LSU’s shitty QB.

Brandon Spikes ILB Florida- Could put beside DJ and would upgrade over Mays or Williams(if he makes an impact)

C.J. Spiller RB Clemson- Throwing this one out there but i think he is too small to be a bruiser like we need.

Mike Iupati OG Idaho- If he falls to the 2nd i think we have no other choice but to snag him. This dude is huge.

Darrell Stuckey SS Kansas- Have to upgrade at S sometime…hopefully in the early rounds

Eric Berry SS Tennessee- I think this kid is a Soph and not sure if he could enter the draft yet. Not too sure but i heard he is a good Safety so i put him on here.

Matt Tennant C Boston College – Could possibly fall to the 2nd, but doubt it with people needing a good C.

Left out some others but these are just some that i thought would fit with us.

by Wrestler189s on Oct 26, 2009 10:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Patrick Robinson CB Florida State- Good corner and could see him upgrading over Carr. His 40 time is 4.42 so not many WR would burn him.

by Wrestler189s on Oct 26, 2009 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Berry is a true junior

And is expected to enter the draft this year. And if we don’t get him, I might cry. He’s just everywhere on the football field, every big play you see him making something happen (or stop happening).

by Sam D on Oct 26, 2009 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

ENTIRE O-LINE ROSTER HOLES!

I say replace the ENTIRE “O” line including Center – I think that bunch is THE BIGGEST HOLE this team has right now. Fix that and all the sudden the other Offensive positions aren’t so OFFENSIVE!

by DieHardKC63 on Oct 26, 2009 10:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Eric Berry

But Eric Berry is soooo much sexier than Russell Okung.

I like Ciron Black better anyway and we could probably snab him in the 2nd round.

by Nick Britt on Oct 26, 2009 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Keep OCallahan and Albert

Replacing 3 spots is hard enough.

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by cpa913 on Oct 26, 2009 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Logan Mankins is a FA

I want him badly. Assuming Albert can get it together I think he can be a serviceable LT. I like Ryan O’Callaghan a lot and he looks to be a guy that can start at RT for a long time.

I would not mind a line like this at all next year:
LT – Albert
LG – Waters (still above average in this league)
C – Alleman or draft pick
RG – Mankins
RT – O’Callaghan

Or I can dream:
LT – Ciron Black (2nd rounder) or Okung (first rounder)
LG – Albert
C – Waters
RG – Mankins
RT – O’Callaghan
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My point is: with the Draft and a strong FA class there is a lot of potential to improve this offensive line. We have two young guys in O’Callaghan and Albert that have the potential to be great offensive linemen. We also have a Pro Bowl LG who is just having a bad year. I am hoping Ndukwe or Alleman gets a shot at RG before the year is over so we can evaluate them heading into the Draft or FA.

by Nick Britt on Oct 26, 2009 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think Logan Mankins is gonna get looked at hard at the end of the year by pioli...

I wouldnt put it past Pioli to get him with the problems at G weve had and considering how much of a bad ass Mankins is. He has the highest average for run blocking out of NEs linemen at 5.0 ypc. Plus, He is a very good pass blocker as well. I wouldnt be surprised if he doesnt get resigned because of Kazur’s new contract and Wilforks. Who knows what their cap is like.

by darwithabar on Oct 26, 2009 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

What cap?

2010 is an uncapped year.

by Nick Britt on Oct 27, 2009 12:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Problem is...

he will be restricted. Meaning the Pats could easily put a 1st round tender on him due to the limbo year rules. There isn’t going to be an agreement by next season. The only “star quality” guys that qualify and we have the most realistic shot at are Karlos Dansby and Vince Wilfork. There isn’t going to be ANY movement in free agency this year. The players aren’t thinking payday with this uncapped year, they thinking I’m trapped. I think our only option to really improve this line will come w/ our 2nd rounders:

Lupati (RG, Idaho) – Just found out about this kid. He is a blue chip RG and we can snag him at the top of the 2nd.

O’Dowd (C, USC) – Best center in this class. Could realistically fall to our 2nd, 2nd rounder. Root for the Saints against the Falcons next Monday night.

Estes (C, Hawii) – This should be one of our 5th rounders. This kid is athletic and would be our utility lineman able to play both guard and center. I think we are going to trade Waters and this kid should provide competition w/ Alleman for the vacant LG spot.

by I_Bleed_Red. on Oct 27, 2009 6:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

2010 Draft -- The Most Talented Ever?

Josh Looney talked a little about this on his weekly show. The 2010 Draft looks to be one of the most talented drafts in a long time, especially if a lot of the junior class studs end up declaring. Look at the QB position — Jimmy Clausen, Colt McCoy, Sam Bradford, Tony Pike, Jake Locker, Tim Tebow, Max Hall, Rusty Smith, etc.

Anyway, talk is that this class could rival the 1983 Class as the best EVER. There is a reason we have been stockpiling picks for this Draft.

by Nick Britt on Oct 26, 2009 10:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Uhm...

1. Don’t we have the same number of picks as usual? We traded some away and got some back. I don’t think we ‘stockpiled’ anything.

2. I don’t think we’re drafting a QB in the top 5 rounds anyway.

3. 2004 looks like could actually beat out ‘83 in a few years. Either way, 2010 won’t be “best ever” at anything, except for rookie payouts.

Sorry man. Not trying to be rude or anything.

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by Justin Bopp on Oct 26, 2009 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

true true about the rookie payout

Getting silly these days.

Guys that have never proven themselves are getting paid a lot more than veterans.

by AngryJesus on Oct 26, 2009 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Its funny you said rookie payout because thats why is supposed to be the deepest draft ever...

Every Junior that is expecting big money is gonna come out because of the threat of a rookie pay scale that has been dicussed, That with the “Sam Bradford” situation of him not coming out last year. That is why people say it supposed to be one of the deepest drafts ever.

by darwithabar on Oct 26, 2009 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think

we are ahead by a couple of picks. We have two seconds and two fifth rounders. I think.

by hayoli on Oct 26, 2009 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

We have one extra pick I beleive

by darwithabar on Oct 26, 2009 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Do you know

which round it’s in?

by hayoli on Oct 26, 2009 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

We lost our 6th and 7th I beleive...

So if we have A 1ST and 2 2nds 1 3rd 1 4th 3 5th thats eight picks but if we loss DJ we could get a 4th or 3rd round compensatory probably a 4th though since he was drafted in the 1st.

by darwithabar on Oct 26, 2009 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

6th round to Dolphins for Nduwecke (spelling!) and Whatshisname

although I thought we GOT a pick for Thigpen or someone else somewhere … but I could be wrong on that

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by upamtn on Oct 26, 2009 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

we did, we have 3 5th rounders one for thiggy, I already said we lost our 6th and 7th

by darwithabar on Oct 27, 2009 12:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I could be wrong

but I think compensatory picks apply to the next draft. So if DJ’s gone after this season, we wouldn’t have a shot at a compensatory pick until the 2011 draft.

by bh13 on Oct 27, 2009 4:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

That is...

correct. This might be crazy, but I think we should put a 2nd round tender on DJ. Then, package him, Dorsey, and M Leggett to Tampa for Suh’s rights. Sign Wilfork in free agency and we have a blue chip defensive line. We could have mediocre linebackers and make them to above average.

by I_Bleed_Red. on Oct 27, 2009 6:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

what makes you think

Tampa would go for that deal?

by jmcgoblue on Oct 27, 2009 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

It would...

improve all three levels of their defense opposed to just one. Plus, Dorsey would be a better fit in the 4-3 and Suh for the 3-4. Not saying they both can’t play well in either, its just one scheme is more suited to their skill set than the other.

by I_Bleed_Red. on Oct 27, 2009 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Actually if there is less FA movement due to

more RFA’d players then we should probably get a comp at end of draft.
32 comps are alloted each year, thus we got one last year picking 3rd

We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram

by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 27, 2009 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Just an example

1. I am not going to do the accounting, but we have more than the normal amount of picks — you are given 7 plus compensatory picks, which are handed out right before the draft. We will get some since we will be at the bottom of the league. I expect us to have 9-10 picks, maybe more by the time the Draft rolls around.

2. I just used the QB as an example because that is traditionally how a Draft class is judged. I know we won’t take a QB and I don’t want us to.

3. Across the board this is the most talented Draft class we have seen in awhile. Eric Berry and Taylor Mays – two of the best safety prospects we have seen since Sean Taylor. Brandon Spikes. Dez Bryant. Carlos Dunlap. Terrance Cody. Nasdkfjas;dlfkj Suh. Gerald McCoy. Jermaine Gresham. Tim Tebow ( aka the second coming of Christ). Do I need to keep going?

by Nick Britt on Oct 26, 2009 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

im agreeing with you, i only stated it was becuase of the scare of a rookie salary cap

by darwithabar on Oct 27, 2009 12:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

compensatory picks, which are handed out right before the draft. We will get some since we will be at the bottom of the league

Record has nothing to do with compensatory picks if I remember correctly. It has something to do with the number (quality?) of free agents lost compared to those brought in.

I’m sure someone will correct me if I’m wrong.

by bh13 on Oct 27, 2009 4:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i think you're right but then if there are some left i think they give out the rest

based on drafting order

by E.C. on Oct 27, 2009 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

2010 Picks

We have:
1-1st
2-2nds (TG compensation)
1-3rd
1-4th
3-5ths (Tank Tyler and Tyler Thigpin compensation)

no 6th – to Miami for Ndukwe and Alleman
no 7th – to Miami for their 2009 7th to select Jake O’Connell

That is 8 picks in the top 150ish vs. 5 normally…. 3 additional picks. I’d call that stockpiling picks.

Time will tell if the 2010 draft class is elite, but as he said, Looney was raving about it on his show. Many other draft experts are talking highly about the class too. Do you have some insight as to why it won’t live up to those expectations?

by chrisclark_dfw on Oct 27, 2009 4:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well...

its all speculation. The 83 draft class wasn’t the 83 draft class until 86. Although it will be a deep draft considering the fact the pay scale will scare juniors into the draft. Every position group has blue chip players.

by I_Bleed_Red. on Oct 27, 2009 6:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

being taht

6 of your 8 players you said are QBs, i’d say we have nothing to worry about as far as QB, we need to draft OL like we did DL this year. AFTER we take eric berry :)

by CHIEFER on Oct 26, 2009 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed...

Cassel should be solid with an OL. A quality safety to help out our two young but talented corners would be great.

by hayoli on Oct 26, 2009 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Cassel sucks needs to go

by kcchiefstd on Nov 5, 2009 12:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

We won’t be unloading our top pick by any means this year. Draft is too deep with QBs for any team to wanna trade up for one. No way that both Mays and Berry are gone by the time we pick, so we should be picking up one of them. Berry if he’s available.

I'm officially on the 'Draft Eric Berry' train.

by scottbwalters on Oct 27, 2009 12:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I want us to draft Nate Solder from CU...

He is a 6’9 LT that used to be a TE. He runs a 4.89 40 so he would be perfect for a zone blocking scheme at G or OT. He is only a junior though and he could sneak into the late first if he did come out.

by darwithabar on Oct 26, 2009 11:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Do you think he'll declare?

It seems like Bryan Bulaga, Bruce Campbell, and Anthony Davis are all ranked ahead of him as Junior OT prospects.

by chrisclark_dfw on Oct 27, 2009 4:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Moves to help in long run

Trade Waters for 4th or 5th Rd pick
Deal LJ if poss even 6th Rd pick would be nice.

Top Needs or HOLES on Offense

QB witch I hate to say is #1.
LT is #2 as Albert fits better at Left Gaurd and Waters should be gone.

is a #2 WR
is a Center
a #1 TE
KR/PR WR unless Long can fill spot showed speed Sunday.
Out of those atleast two should be filled via FA. Prb WR and TE witch leaves QB, LT and a Center to pick up in draft.

On D

NT Wilfork via FA or other FA pick up
OLB
S stud or CB

Our draft should go something like this if these moves are made
1st QB/OT
2nd OT/QB
2nd C
3rd OLB
4th WR, CB, S
Waters trade 4th or 5th same
5th same
5th OL/WR
6th OL/WR
6th DB/OL/WR
7th OL/WR
Without Trades

1st NT
2nd OT
2nd C
3rd WR/OLB/TE
4th same
5th same
5th DB
6th OL
7th OL/WR

Would NOT be mad to see Berry with first Rd pick.
No matter what for a succefful 2010 we will need to be VERY active in the FA market we must have upgrades.

by kcchiefstd on Oct 26, 2009 11:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

You think QB is our number 1 need...

Thats crazy, We have a 63 million dollar QB why would we need another 50 million dollar QB. Thats too much cap in 1 spot, Bottom line, even if Cassell is a bust were stuck with him for awhile. I think your emotional about the game still. People have bad games, Phillip Rivers has had his share.

by darwithabar on Oct 27, 2009 12:36 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs

Every one so far He has not played ONE COMPLETE game

By far the worst QB I have ever seen in a Chiefs uniform. YES that means he is worse than Bono, Grbac, BRODIE CROYLE, Damon Huard and everyone else.

by kcchiefstd on Nov 5, 2009 12:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

We wont even draft a project QB.

Thats what Gutierrez is for. Cassel costs 60 mil. He is our QB for a while.

by Wrestler189s on Oct 27, 2009 1:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

No on QB here

I don’t think Cassel is the answer but we spent to much money on him so that is what we have plus it doesn’t really matter who is at QB with this O Line there aren’t to many guys I see on Sunday completing passes on their back.

by leonchief on Oct 27, 2009 8:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Aaron Rodgers, and a couple others do it every week.

by kcchiefstd on Nov 5, 2009 1:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

lolololololololololo0lol

So very funny.

by The IT Guy on Oct 27, 2009 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'd say:

1st-safety or left tackle depending on the remainder of Albert’s season.
2nd-C
2nd-LB of some type or safety if not taken in 1
3rd-TE
4th-LB
5th-WR
6th-project OL
7th-project DL

Hit free agency hard for a speed reciever and a stud NT. Get Goff out of there and put Indukwe in at right guard so he can be evaluated at his natural position. I still haven’t figured out why the coaches haven’t gone that route.

by hayoli on Oct 27, 2009 1:21 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Good write up

But I think a few were a little too hopeful.

Ndukwe and Alleman cant be considered average, IMO. They arent even starters and both play the position of the roster holes you mentioned (C and RG). Ndukwe wasnt solid at RT either but luckily O’Callaghan has been playing okay at RT.

I dont think you can say Albert is solid. Same with Waters. Right now, they are both just average.

Things like that stuck out to me. You cant base an average/starter/roster hole on potential because potential isnt always reached. For instance, we considered Albert the answer at LT. and we may be right.

But right now, if a cant-miss LT were available when we’re on the clock, I’d like to see us take that LT and move Albert to LG.

Here’s my thing. Before we consider Waters, lets look at the RG/C that are roster holes and MUST UPGRADE status. Which of these would we want to upgrade if we could only choose 1? Most of us would say Goff because hes been terrible, and IMO, worse than Niswanger. BUT, look at it this way. Niswanger is 6’5. He has a serious disadvantage in leverage.

This was a concern when he was a rookie. Obviously, the concern was right and he needs to go back to his natural position..RG. If Niswanger were to play RG, could he possibly be worse than Goff? I guess anything is possible, but if Niswanger plays his current position better than Goff plays his current position, you could assume (and hope youre right) than Niswanger would play RG better than Goff does.

If Waters stays, you dont have to worry about Niswanger playing at RG. Waters can play there. My biggest concern is that we’re going to focus on fixing the OL too much and forget about our needs at LB, possibly NT, and Safety.

That is why I like my idea. Of course, I’m biased but I try to be a straight shooter and I think thats realistic. We’d only spend 2 draft picks on the OL, still have high picks for a LB and maybe even a Safety or whatever the position of need is. That doesnt even include FA. I dont know whos going to be available.

I’d like to see this on Day 1 of the draft:
1st round, Left Tackle
2nd round A & B, best LB and best C available.

by Petey14 on Oct 27, 2009 2:47 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I think...

Albert is going to be fine. He hasn’t played that great, but we may be exaggerating how bad he has played. Free agency poses a problem in that restricted free agency moves from 4 to 6 years. Its going to allow a lot of teams to lock up talent for cheap. These are the only two free agents I think we need to go after.

1. Vince Wilfork – has more than six seasons. NE drafted his replacement in Ron Brace last year.

2. Karlos Dansby – if they haven’t come to terms yet they never will. Arizona can’t afford all of their talent. They don’t really have an option, but to let Dansby walk, including franchising him.

3. Mike Gandy??? – starting left tackle for the Cards who is underwhelming, but for a cheap price I wouldn’t mind having him as Albert’s back-up over someone like W Smith.

Trades:

Put 2nd and 3rd round tenders on DJ and Paige
Trade Paige to say the Texans for a 3rd rounder
Trade Dorsey, DJ, and M Leggett to Tampa to get Suh’s rights after they draft him
Trade Waters to Seattle for their 4th rounder
Trade LJ to the Browns for their 6th rounder

Draft

1. Eric Berry (S, Tennessee) – nothing to be said
2a. Lupati (RG, Idaho) – blue chip
2b. O’Dowd (C, USC) – best center in his class, hope Atlanta fails this season
3a. Selvie (Rush LB, South Florida) or Lang (RLB, Troy) – whoever is available
3b. Gerhart (Power RB, Stanford) – Paige Trade
4a. Rolle (S, Florida St) – good prospect, falls because he took a yr off to study at Cambridge
4b. Thurmond (CB, Oregon) – tall, good speed, comes from a good program
5a. Peek (Blocking TE, Alabama) – great blocker, seen him play a couple times
5b. Estes (C, Hawii) – utility lineman, can compete w/ Alleman for LG vacancy
5c. Shipley (WR, Texas) – WR gets dished to the side, its the last thing you load up on. Shipley will at least give us some return capability
6. McFadden (CB, Auburn) – got to better than M Richardson

Post Draft Trades:

Maybe if Arizona doesn’t come to terms w/ Boldin and he holds out we trade some 2011 picks for him.

If this all happens our situation is looking pretty good. My only concern going into the season would be the vacant LG spot, pass rush opposite of Hali (3/4 ends usually can contribute early so Selvie would start day one), and the unproven commodities we will be stuck w/ at running back. I hope Smith comes along, we might bring up J Williams, and I really like this Gerhart kid out of Stanford. Reminds of Shonn Greene who I wanted badly in the last draft. Finally, their will be more stability w/ our coaches. Maybe we bring in Crennel at DC and Haley finds his play caller.

by I_Bleed_Red. on Oct 27, 2009 7:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Cancel...

Gerhart in the 3rd and Shipley in the 5th. I think I would rather go with Gilyard (WR/KR, Cinci) in the 3rd and this kid Dixon (RB, Miss St) in the 5th.

by I_Bleed_Red. on Oct 27, 2009 7:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Gerhart will be a MONSTER in the NFL

He is the next Riggens amazing player

by kcchiefstd on Nov 5, 2009 1:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Interesting

However, I think its way too early to be predicting what rounds players will get drafted in, let alone who they'll be drafted by.

Who plays DE after the trade of Dorsey? Magee? Magee hasnt hardly played this season, and Dorsey has played pretty good so far this season, so why make that switch?

by Petey14 on Oct 28, 2009 5:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

No on the Dorsey trade

He is are best D lineman and is getting better would almost be as bad a move as the Allen trade not again please.

by kcchiefstd on Nov 5, 2009 1:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah but I almost expect the first round to unfold like this
KC Takes Suh more DE mold Pioli likes
Trades Dorsey for a pick in the late 20’s or an early second I’ll call it a second

2nd round
OT
NT
WR
We get a left tackle, Albert moves to guard, Nose Tackle to learn the ropes behind Edwards, and a new toy for Haley to play with.

3rd round
OLB/DE or OL

4th round
OLB/DE or OL
3rd and fourth a pass rusher and a C/G

5th round
OL, S, LB

6th or 7th round two additional picks
KC will probably deal DJ and Waters
WR TE CB

Not a sexy draft, it’s all in the trenches
Free Agency
LB
C/G
S
WR
RB
DL
TE

Carr’s job at corner will be Washington’s to lose. I don’t expect to see much turnover in the secondary unless Flowers is Dealt……

by mcclanahanman on Oct 27, 2009 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Good Post

Question: We still have two #2’s? Did we already have two before the trade for Cassel and Vrable?

Also, I think rookies are going to come cheap or holdout this year… No salary cap, means there is no salary bottom, either… Owners are going to try to significantly squeeze down rookie salaries during the uncapped year to help establish a rookie salary structure in the new CBA (similar to the NBA) that resets the standard for rookie salaries to a significantly lower number… the days of rookies making more than proven vet’s are over!!!

by Stone Throwers on Oct 27, 2009 9:19 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs