Expectations and Overreactions
Fans are ready to jump off of the bridge today and yesterday... I wish I could just not read this site right now, but I'm too addicted not to :)
The fact is that this was a bad loss, but it's not the end of the world. Haley has made mistakes, but he's a first time coach, with some questionable assistants on a team that has been miserably bad for two and a half years now.
What did you expect? I was optimistic about the Chiefs' chances this season, just because of all of the changes....
But it is those very changes that are making it a long season so far.
You can't change offenses, demote your OC at the beginning of the regular season, and expect to be smooth on offense.
You can't take a team that was down as far as KC and expect to "fix it" all in one year.
The players that we fans have come to know as "greats" are either not as good as advertised, or not fits for what the new regime are trying to build here.
Pioli and Haley do have a vision for this team. There have certainly been lapses in execution so far this year, and there will be more bumps along the road... but change is painful, rebuilding is miserable...
This is one of those things that we won't be able to see the direction or the progress until we are looking BACK at it... they WILL get better, but it WILL be ugly along the way.
What did Haley say at the beginning of the year?
"We're going to have to win ugly, we don't have much room for error"
Well, it's as ugly, or uglier than he thought... and they have made errors, even though there wasn't room for them... but all is NOT lost
more after the jump...
I am thinking back to before the season, and what wins I expected...
I hoped for wins against the Raiders, Dallas, Washington and San Diego...losses against Philly, the Giants, and the Ravens. (4-3) I really expected wins versus Oak and Wash (2-5)
Well, they SHOULD HAVE won against the Raiders and Dallas... they DID win vs Washington... and they got OWNED vs San Diego.
So, here the Chiefs sit at 1-6, and this site is blowing up with "fire Haley" and "Pioli failed" and "worse than the Raiders" talk. (that last one is just flat out crazy... I'd take the Chiefs situation over the Raiders ANY DAY)
The fact is that the Chiefs got down early to a team that was more desperate for a win than KC. San Diego expects to be a contender, and is coming off of a loss. KC is "rebuilding" and coming off of a win... until they really get things turned around, they expect to lose more than they expect to win at this point.
San Diego went for the kill, they didn't let up on KC for 4 quarters. Whenever momentum briefly swung in KC's direction, a combination of poor execution by the Chiefs and great plays by the Chargers made sure that the game was never close.
What I saw was a KC team that is still struggling to execute in basic plays on offense. It seems like on most downs, SOMETHING went wrong... either the protection wasn't there, or the receiver wasn't open, or Cassel missed the throw, or the receiver dropped it...
On defense, I saw a unit that was very fired up at times... GREAT goal-line stands, several 3-and-outs, and lots of stuffed runs at the line of scrimmage... BUT, alas, they got caught out of position, mostly on blitzes when the safeties came after the QB, and got burned on 3 huge plays.
Those big plays, along with the blocked punt TD, seemed to take the life out of the Chiefs. Add in Cassel's interceptions, and the team was demoralized in the fourth quarter.
I didn't see a "lack of effort" or a "lack of intensity"... I saw a team struggle, get out played, and flat out get beat.
Here are my positives to build upon.... and DON'T say there's "nothing good to build on" or "no progress"...
* Lance Long... showed quickness and good hands... that TD catch would have been amazing. He's a spark plug for this offense. I won't compare him to WW or anyone else... but I will say that I think he's a great addition to the WR corps.
* Goal line RUN defense... Mays, Edwards, Williams... the whole front 7 showed up BIG time when their backs were to the wall. I LOVED seeing Mays meet LT in the air and bring him down. Those goal line stands were AMAZING.
* Jamaal Charles... YES, he missed the block on the punt block... which was bad. But, he did look very good on a draw play, and some other runs. He also COMPLETELY burned the DBs on that long pass right after the Chiefs scored a TD and got the ball back. Cassel's pass was a bit off, and Charles couldn't adjust... but his speed was undeniable, and I hope they keep trying that play.
* Haley's offensive play calling... YES, I'm aware that many fans were upset at Haley over this game... but there were some calles I LOVED. The play I referenced above... a deep pass to the fastest Chief... was exactly what I want to see when the Chiefs have some momentum. Go for the juglar! The next play was a perfect call as well... they faked the end around and threw a deep slant to Wade... again, Great call, was WIDE open... Cassel just missed both throws. I thought that Haley was aggressive and fairly creative... but the execution wasn't always there. I don't mind him going for it on 4th down... what do they have to lose? I'd rather take chances and lose than be afraid to try and lose anyway. Sure, Haley made some other bad calls... but overall, I think he's coming around as a playcaller.
* O'Callaghan AND (surprisingly) Barry Richardson... YES, Cassel got hit and sacked too many times again... but it wasn't because of poor OT play, IMO. These guys held up pretty well. Goff was clearly terrible AGAIN... and I can't believe he hasn't been replaced yet. The situation at Tackle is better than I thought, especially with Albert coming back. The situation at C and RG are the biggest problems on the entire roster, IMO.
Realism: the Negatives from this Sunday's game:
* Execution, execution, execution. San Diego executed their plays. The Chiefs didn't. San Diego got 2 sacks on Safety blitzes. The Chiefs gave up 2 TD on safety blitzes. San Diego picked up blitzes and were able to attack the Chiefs defensive weaknesses. The Chiefs weren't able to do what they planned on doing. Call it a lack of talent, preparation, or whatever.... it doesn't matter. They just didnt' get it done.
* Cassel had a bad day. He's not a bad QB, he doesn't need replaced... but he did have a bad game. Missing those two long passes, then throwing the 2 INTs (the other was clearly Ryan's fault) that hurt. To be fair, Cassel DID make some AMAZING throws, like the TD to Bowe, and the near TD to Long. He also made positive yards on scrambles, and threw well on some roll outs. But, in the 2nd half, after the Bowe TD... it was all down hill in the rain. He'll recover.
* Interior OL... Goff and Niswanger need to be replaced. We may get our wish with Rudy, as his injury looked bad... but Goff HAS to go. period.
* BIG plays on defense... The most frustrating thing about this defense all year... they CAN make plays, stop teams 3 and out, and stop the run... BUT, 2-3 times per game, they completely blow it. I do blame Clancy for some of this... sending the safety on a blitz should no longer be an option. It doesn't work, and it costs us big plays.
* Dropped passes... Bowe had one of his worst drops in recent memory, and Ryan gave the ball away when it hit him in the chest. These are concentration errors that HURT.
* Penalties... Well coached teams don't hurt themselves with penalties. The Chiefs killed themselves on several drives with penalties that negated good running plays and forced 3rd and long situations.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Arrowhead Pride's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Arrowhead Pride writers or editors.
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Goff and Niswanger are just terrible
and Waters isn’t the same anymore. Hopefully Alenman and Nudwe can step it up otherwise, next year, we will have to replace the whole interior line in the Draft or Free Agency.
1 win.... Many to come
yeah, I'm with you.
Alleman and Ndukwe have shown flashes… but they have to be given a chance.
Waters isn’t as good as he was… but he could still be serviceable for another year.
But, I think they HAVE to get a new starting C in the draft, and SHOULD get a new starting RG as well… if they don’t get one in the draft, they have to find one on the roster… between Alleman, Ndukwe, Colin Brown
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
Maybe this week we will see Allleman and Nduckwe take those positions
Let Richardson back up Albert and O’Callahan
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 26, 2009 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions
bye week... good time to make changes
again, the changes I’m praying for:
- Ndukwe starts at RG for Goff
- Alleman or Wade Smith at C
- Matthews brought in as a blocking TE, replacing whoever
- Favorite gets ready and activated, cutting Kenny Smith
- Albert is healthy enough to start again, and the line gets 2 weeks to practice together
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
Yes x5
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 26, 2009 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions
+ new RBOC
I think
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 26, 2009 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions
RBOC?
I am guessing you are talking about the LJ case?
I would like to see
- LJ cut in favor of Kolby Smith
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
I will argue this until I'm blue in the face
You can’t take a team that was down as far as KC and expect to “fix it” all in one year.
Every year there is examples of teams that have quick turn arounds. I’ve named them numerous times, but everyone is hell bent on telling me I’m wrong because it flies in face of there beliefs that it takes 3-4 years to rebuild an NFL franchise.
This team had alot of the bases to create a winning team, but instead of building around them, is attempting to tear it down and start from scratch. Quick turnaround teams don’t do this. They take their strengths, and build on them, not tear the whole thing down. When Baltimore was shity a couple years ago, did they tear down the defense? No, they drafted a hell of a QB and built the O-Line around him.
Pioli had the ability to make this a turn around, with high draft picks, a gajillion dollars under the salary cap and a good young nucleus, but instead, he ignored free agency, had a laugably bad draft and is now trying to keep his $60M QB upright with miscast 3rd string Offensive Linemen.
There is no reason we couldn’t have been the 2009 Denver Broncos.
I ♥ Dick Vermeil
by craig in calgary on Oct 26, 2009 3:10 PM CDT reply actions
I think there's a big difference...
between a “quick turnaround team” and a “build for the long term franchise”
Pioli and Haley weren’t brought in to build around the base… they were brought in to build an entirely new identity for the franchise, and build a long term winner.
they are most certainly doing things “their way” and it’s certainly difficult to watch right now.
Yes, there are a FEW turnaround stories that happen pretty quick, but I’ll argue that it’s the EXCEPTION, not the NORM
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
Why not?
Pioli and Haley weren’t brought in to build around the base
Carl and Herm did draft some talented players, why not build around them instead of tearing the entire thing down? To me thats much more effective. Aaaaaaand, if you are going to tear the whole thing down, I’m sure if he read “Being an NFL General Manager for Dummies”, chapter 1 would have been “Make sure you start with the offensive line”
I ♥ Dick Vermeil
by craig in calgary on Oct 26, 2009 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Why?
who knows.
Maybe the “base” wasn’t as good as we thought.
Maybe it was the “base” of a mediocre team
I agree that starting with the offensive line is a good idea… they started with the defensive line… which is also a good idea.
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
actually
most good teams are built on the d line first. i’m guessing you’re just an offense junky though
Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day.
Harry S. Truman
The difference between D & O-Lines is
A Bad D-Line will lose you ball games, a bad O—Line will lose you games and QB’s
I ♥ Dick Vermeil
by craig in calgary on Oct 26, 2009 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Denver
had a lot more good parts to start with. They barely missed the playoffs last year. We got lucky with our 2 wins.
by 1kmilesfromkc on Oct 26, 2009 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions
But I agree that our focus must be on the lines…both lines, not just the d-line.
by 1kmilesfromkc on Oct 26, 2009 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree with most of your points but,
usually teams that turn around in one year had a lot more to begin with (Ravens), or are one year wonders (dolphins). I agree with you that there are examples of true turnarounds quickly (falcons). I think that Pioli/Haley shouldn’t have been so arrogant in wanting their own players, but it was reasonable. The Denver Broncos ,IMO, started with much more talent than we did plus there new coach is coaching better than our new coach.
1 win.... Many to come
agreed... except for one thing...
I’m not sure that McDaniels is 100% “better” than Haley…
but their Defensive coordiner IS 100% better than Clancy
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Oct 26, 2009 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec
Here I go Again :)
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 26, 2009 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't buy that the Dolphins are one year wonders.
Sure they are only 2-4 but they could EASILY be 4-2 with wins over Colts and Saints (undeniable best 2 teams in football). They outplayed them all game but was on the wrong end of a losing score when the final gun went off
I ♥ Dick Vermeil
by craig in calgary on Oct 26, 2009 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions
kinda like...
how KC could easilly be 3-4, when they outplayed Dallas and Oakland but were “on the wrong end of a losing score”???
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
All I'm saying is they are a good football team
Also Colts&Saints >>>>>>>>>> Dallas&Oakland
I ♥ Dick Vermeil
by craig in calgary on Oct 26, 2009 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I was just going to say the same thing.
The Phins look pretty damn good to me. i’d trade them situations in a heartbeat.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Oct 26, 2009 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions
baltimore wasn't really shitty
the previous year they were 13-3 and went to the afc championship game…they were down the next year but my point is you can’t find a team that’s as bad as the chiefs were at the end of last year and see them turned around. you can think it was feasible, but it wasn’t. i don’t think it will take 3-4 years to rebuild as i expect us to be markedly better by the end of the year and next year they should be significantly better.
Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day.
Harry S. Truman
I agree
A better example maybe would be Atlanta who I would argue was further behind than the chiefs with the Petrino and Vick issues.
They drafted a very good QB, then built a very good O-line around him.
I ♥ Dick Vermeil
by craig in calgary on Oct 26, 2009 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions
atlanta was not a worse football team talent wise
they certainly had more off the field issues to deal with which resulted in a 4-12 record but i don’t believe they had less talent on their roster and a few additions here and there would make it reasonable to expect a quicker turn around
Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day.
Harry S. Truman
Just wrong
We were never going to be the 2009 Broncos
We didn’t have the Talent to grab a LB and S and change our fortunes.
Ever
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 26, 2009 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Why couldn't we be?
There defense was worse than ours was last year.
Now they have the #1 ranked defense. (Last time I checked)
I ♥ Dick Vermeil
by craig in calgary on Oct 26, 2009 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions
It takes an O and a D
The Broncos have an O, even after shooting themselves in the hoof.
Our D might have been good enough this year if we Outscored some people.
Could you maybe say
I love Vermeil?
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 26, 2009 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Haha
Not a fan of the ♥ ?
I ♥ Dick Vermeil
by craig in calgary on Oct 26, 2009 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Good write up
Rec’d … I love this site, but hat coming here after a loss …especially one like this. Nice to see others that aren’t ready to fire everyone and start over again.
good post stags
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.
Agreed, great post!
I’ve stayed away since yesterday afternoon. Got a bit frustrated with the negative comments. This post was what I needed to participate again. Thanks Stags!
"Every day is an evaluation and if you’re not out there how can we depend on you? If you’re out there and you don’t know what to do, how can we depend on you?" Accountability -- Haley-style...
Your post is defintiely rec'd stags
We as Chiefs fans have had to put up with a lot of bad football in the past few years, and it has been a rough season thus far. I’m starting to come to the realization that we have several players on this team that simply lack talent. I don’t care how bad they want it, or how well they are coached, they just lack talent. Goff, Niswanger, Page, Brown, Leggett, etc……these guys just don’t cut it. A few of the linebackers show flashes (Mays, D. Johnson, Williams) but they are one-dimensional and situational which is not cutting it in a complete football game. Nothing we can really do about it at this point in the season but make do. Free agency is pretty dry, and scraps from other teams are projects at best this far into the season.
I am a big fan of drafting for need, but I would like to see us get a few guys that are gamebreakers no matter where they are on the field.
I live near Clemson and I’ll use C.J. Spiller as an example because I’ve seen him play. Line him up where you wish, add football, then shake vigorously. Enjoy highlight! I am well aware that some college players shine in college and fade in the pros, but I’d rather take my chances on that. No more projects……just ballers that have shown the ability to take over and dominate a game…..
by Hail2DaChiefs on Oct 26, 2009 6:47 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
well said, wrecked
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

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