Time For Chiefs Coach Haley To Prove He's Not A Paper Tiger
by ChiefDJ on Oct 26, 2009 9:43 AM CDT
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Lots of head coaches in the NFL have talked tough over the years. You frequently hear new coaches talk about how they are going to have tough, disciplined teams.
How they are going to have open competitions and that the best performer, not the biggest contract, will be playing on Sundays. How they want the "right 53" players who will work with the coaches and do what it takes to make the team better.
We've heard all these things from Todd Haley. Haley has no problem calling the team he took over fat and lazy, although his conditioning has not equaled improvent 4th quarter performance. He talks tough about discipline and punshing players for mistakes, but they are still bitten by penalties and turnovers.
So you can question how much of what Haley does is his natural motivational instinct and how much of it is an artificial tactic that he uses without any real intent to take really follow through with it. The case of Dwayne Bowe being benched in meaningless preseason games for dropping balls, but not being benched during the regular season when the games count despite the continuing drops is an example of why this question arises.
The Larry Johnson situation is going to be Haley's biggest test to date. Will Haley enforce the discipline he preaches and deal with LJ, or will he prove himself soft and ignore the comments?
This should be an easy chance for Haley to prove he's not a paper tiger. You have an aging running back who has been ineffective for the last several years with a history of legal problems and antisocial behavior. Despite Haley backing up LJ's poor performance this year, Johnson throws him under the bus. That is bad enough, but then Johnson went on to get into a pissing match with fans that he should have simply ignored, waving his millions in their face and then using a couple of bigoted slurs in a public forum.
This is a no brainer Todd. Get rid of an unpopular and ineffective locker room cancer and prove you are the tough coach you say you are all in one shot. Larry Johnson must be dealt with swiftly and decisively.
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LJ should expect actions for the Haley comments,
though I think they are just a symptom of Haley’s shaky hold on the team. Poor decision, but whatever.
The comments to fans should not be tolerated and he needs to go.
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Oct 26, 2009 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haley should send LJ a box of candy and some flowers
The team got the holy sh*t kicked out of it and all you are talking about is the evil that is LJ tweets. Unreal.
by FrankPitts on Oct 26, 2009 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How is it any different than any other day?
We’ve been getting the crap kicked out of us every week for a couple years now.
by ChiefDJ on Oct 26, 2009 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Exactly – is like all the kool aid drinkers here looking to find a alternate PR move out of sucking in front of the home crowd to a division foe. KC played the same SD team in 2008 and led all the way. Both games vs. SD was decided with 1 point. And everyone agrees that Herm was a lousy coach – better evaluator of talent but terrible gameday coach. Thigpen was no Cassel. But what Herm did I have not seen Haley coming close – getting the squad ready to play a division foe. I don’t even pay attention to the other games. But when we play the Donks, Oak and Bolts, I wanna see a team ready and prepared to compete. Not what was displayed in front of the home crowd this Sunday.
Predictions as of 06.24.2009.
Larry Johnson will be a top 3 fantasy pick once again in 2010 (after a monster season in 2009.)
Dwayne Bowe will be a 2009 Pro Bowl selection.
Brandon Flowers will have at least 6 INTs in 2009 season.
Todd Haley will have a sideline shouting match caught on TV yelling at one of his asst. coaches.
by 58 was my friend on Oct 26, 2009 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good post DJ. Rec'd.
I really think we should deacrivate him the rest of the year. It costs us a spot on the 53 man roster, but we have to pay his salary anyways. Make him stand on the sidelines and have the scoreboard people post Priest Holmes , KC leading all-time rusher about 15 times a game. I sure hope he does not break the record.
by saskwatch on Oct 26, 2009 9:50 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That alone is a good reason
I don’t want the diaper diva beating Priest’s record.
"If you shoot me, you're liable to lose a lot of those humanitarian awards."
--Irwin M. Fletcher.
by Arrowheadcase on Oct 26, 2009 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me neither.
Larry Johnson is an embarrassment to the Chiefs. All the past Chiefs. And ones yet to come. I feel like we sold our souls to the devil… looking the other way with the abuse. Putting up with his attitude. And for what? 1 step, 2 step, hit the ground. Today’s LJ can’t hold Jamaal Charles’ jock. It was hard watching the game yesterday. It’ll become harder if that asshole continues to play a significant role on this team.
by Ozarks on Oct 26, 2009 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1.
It’s time to suspend this asshat.
I’m not sure of all of the details on his contract, but I’m pretty sure I remember hearing that there’s something in there about he doesn’t get paid if he’s suspended. He’s so proud of the millions he’s made, let him ride the pine and live off of what he’s got so far.
No playing. No money. No trade.
Let him watch his career end here in Kansas City, the town he hates, not being able to play the game he supposedly loves, not breaking the record he covets so damn much, and not earning another damn dime until his contract expires and he’s too old to play anywhere else.
by JacinB on Oct 26, 2009 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Suspend him
For "Conduct Detrimental to the Team?
I’m up for it!
by KU2010 on Oct 26, 2009 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yo Kool-aid drinker
Why all of you are hating on LJ? Is he the only player who’s got balls to speak up, saying what the entire team is feeling?
Do you have any idea what opposing Defense talks about when game planning vs KC? Stopping LJ. Without LJ, this team is 100% a joke. There isn’t anything to defend against. You guys still don’t get it.
Ask the Chicago Bears and their fans – how was it facing Cedric Benson? Matt Forte was a great rookie – but what has he done for them lately?
Predictions as of 06.24.2009.
Larry Johnson will be a top 3 fantasy pick once again in 2010 (after a monster season in 2009.)
Dwayne Bowe will be a 2009 Pro Bowl selection.
Brandon Flowers will have at least 6 INTs in 2009 season.
Todd Haley will have a sideline shouting match caught on TV yelling at one of his asst. coaches.
by 58 was my friend on Oct 26, 2009 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The other teams sure have succeeded at stopping LJ
by NotAHippie on Oct 26, 2009 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stopping and not having
a single threat is a whole different thing.
Chiefs – LJ = no game
Chiefs + LJ = stop LJ and we got a game
Predictions as of 06.24.2009.
Larry Johnson will be a top 3 fantasy pick once again in 2010 (after a monster season in 2009.)
Dwayne Bowe will be a 2009 Pro Bowl selection.
Brandon Flowers will have at least 6 INTs in 2009 season.
Todd Haley will have a sideline shouting match caught on TV yelling at one of his asst. coaches.
by 58 was my friend on Oct 26, 2009 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not exactly.
LJ has been pretty effectively stopped all year, and it’s usually been as a result of running into the back of his own lineman, rather than bolting through the hole and making a defender stop him. In that regard, he hasn’t done anything that any number of other backs — on our team now and on practice squads throughout the NFL — couldn’t do.
LJ hasn’t been a threat for several seasons now. On the list of Offensive Threats the Chiefs have, I’d put him somewhere below Bobby Wade.
by JacinB on Oct 26, 2009 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why I'm hating on LJ
He started off by bitching about his playing time as a rookie when Holmes was the better RB, He thought he deserved the start because of his draft position, not because he had earned the right to start.
Then let’s look at his treatment of women we know about the many times that the charges were dropped, but I have to wonder how many went unreported. He has a problem with drinking and being exposed to the public, He can’t seem just to get along or at least be smart enough just to walk away from trouble.
Now he is having a “twitter war”? WTF, with fans no less. He did not have to go on twitter and say a damn thing, but when he did, he showed a very poor thought process. Then he goes so far to even say something along the lines of “Gay Bashing” Dumbest move ever for anyone living in the public eye.
The Chiefs have given he every opportunity to show he is a true professional, and he has taken every chance to not do so. If you find yourself defending a person you don’t know by what you have seen, heard and read in the media and games, I think you might want to look at what the majority is saying. Not all of this can be wrong or just a way to keep LJ down. The simple fact is as a Chief we wanted him to be great, we wanted him to be a true professional, we wanted to want him, but the truth can’t be deigned forever. We have seen LJ for what he is and we don’t want him anymore.
is it me? or isn't about time the Lamar Hunt trophy belonged to His team?
I’m a Chiefs fan Dammit and I’m damn proud of it!
by KC Fanatic on Oct 26, 2009 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is a great opportunity for Haley to save some face...
He now has a chance to get rid of LJ and give the young guys a chance to play. Most of us probably don’t care if we never see LJ in a Chiefs uni again. If the young guys start playing better, then Haley can save face by Hopefully winning some games. This is a win win for Haley to show that he can be tough AND get rid of a useless player at the same time.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Oct 26, 2009 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t even care about the Haley comments. I don’t agree with making them but that doesn’t bother me. Provoked or not, he shouldn’t have said some of the things he said to the fans. Then he makes it worse by saying the same word to a reporter today.
And stop with the kool-aid crap. It’s stupid. We’re all Chiefs fans, some just choose to be more optimistic. There’s nothing wrong with that.
You want to criticize the team? Fine, go ahead, they deserve it sometimes. No need to turn on fellow fans just because they don’t share the same views.
by bh13 on Oct 26, 2009 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed and rec'd
I agree this can’t be ignored. I don’t think Haley will comment much publicly though and will probably just handle it internally. A fine and/or suspension is definitely warranted.
I have a hard time seeing Pioli just cut him outright. Pioli has no real ties to this organization or Priest Holmes, and I’m sure he could care less who holds the rushing record. After all, all that matters to Pioli and The Patriot Way is wins and Super Bowl trophies.
LJ had back-to-back 1500 yard seasons. Sure he is getting old and is still very immature, but I like to think he at least has SOME value — maybe a 6th rounder? If that is the case, I expect him to remain on the team until the offseason. If he really has no value, he should get the axe. I still don’t envision Pioli just cutting him though. Disciplinary action and re-evaulation during the offseason seems the more realistic option.
by Nick Britt on Oct 26, 2009 9:51 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
LJ simply wants to win
We all agree that he can be immature when dealing with criticism from media and fans but he is no way a bad player.
Ask Corey Dillon: he wanted to win. Pioli took him in and they won a SB. Moss was a cancer and bad PR everywhere he went but when he got to NE, they started winning, he kept his mouth shut. Why? Because when you are a competitive player, you can’t help it but show frustration when you’ve done everything that has been asked of you even to the degree where you disagree, you put up and did what the coach told you to. Thats what LJ did for 3 months, OTA to training camp to 7 weeks in the season and the result? Same shit.
Predictions as of 06.24.2009.
Larry Johnson will be a top 3 fantasy pick once again in 2010 (after a monster season in 2009.)
Dwayne Bowe will be a 2009 Pro Bowl selection.
Brandon Flowers will have at least 6 INTs in 2009 season.
Todd Haley will have a sideline shouting match caught on TV yelling at one of his asst. coaches.
by 58 was my friend on Oct 26, 2009 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LJ was probably the best guy to call out Haley...
He’s got more money in the bank than he knows what to do with… so he doesn’t HAVE to play…. and he’s expendable… and doesn’t want to be here anyway… maybe this will light a fire under some people’s asses…
by callmesir on Oct 26, 2009 9:53 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Where is the resign as HC you know you're in over your head option?
This really is just twtter, everybody put their panties back on.
by FrankPitts on Oct 26, 2009 9:53 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yea
but how often do we hear a chief calling out anybody on the team? Its just twitter, and its just LJ
by KCJayhawk on Oct 26, 2009 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd love seeing him standing on the sidelines
watching Jamaal average 5 yds/carry behind the same line.
by KCJayhawk on Oct 26, 2009 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OMG, that is the dumbest statement I have heard yet!
There isn’t a running back in the world capable of running for 5yds/carry with this offensive line. Wake up people, I could care less who is running the ball as long as it works, but get real, the line sucks and is costing bothe the passing and running game!
by Tooner on Oct 26, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are wrong about that.
LJ and yes, the precious Matt Cassel are just as much to blame as this woeful “offensive” line.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Oct 26, 2009 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wrong about what?
And what do you want Cassel to do block before passing also? About the biggest problem I see with him is not getting rid of the ball and avoiding a sack when there isn’t anyone to throw to. I am just trying to be realistic here, IF the “O” line isn’t a big factor in both the running/passing game then help me out here. How many deep balls have we attempted this year? How many times has Cassel been able to stand IN a pocket for more than 3 sec? How many screen passes have resulted in a loss because the receiver was tackled as soon as they cought the ball. Finally, how many times has a running play been stuffed for a loss because the back (whoever it is) has been tackled as soon as he received the ball? I will say that IMO the play calling is playing a part in this, but our “O” line is constantle being move BACKWARDS. BTW, I don’t like players that shoot off their mouths because things don’t go their way. I am not a huge LJ supporter, I just think there are too many fans that are ignoring how bad the “O” line is and are blaming LJ for everything just because they don’t like him.
by Tooner on Oct 26, 2009 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've seen the same games everyone else has
More and more often there are holes for the running backs, and they’re becoming more and more frequent and bigger, Pass protection is picking up, even with the injuries. Face it the O-line is showing signs of life, is it fixed……far from it, but it’s gettin better.
I’m guessing some of the chiefs read this, someone posted that KC isn’t putting the ball down the field and KC throws downfield more this week, much to cassel’s dismay.
Poorly placed balls, not just on interceptions and incompletions, but poorly place balls where the recievers can’t advance it or it’s dangerous to advance it. If Cassel had stopped Long in the second half he might have finished the game. He left Long going full tilt into a linbacker that made about 3 of him, might have lowered Long’s IQ a few points and made him gunshy over the middle.
Next week, Charles and Savage, hopefully Smith should show LJ how a RB is supposed to play the game.
by mcclanahanman on Oct 26, 2009 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately I can't reply on yesterdays game
as DIRECTV did not televise the game in my area for whatever reason. After reading all I have I am actually glad I didn’t see it. I don’t understand how you can say the line is improving when 2 weeks ago against Dallas Cassel attempted 41 passes, was sacked 4 times and hit or knocked down another 30 times? He does IMO at times hold the ball and not throw it away so some of those are on him. I do think that given the teams played 5 int isn’t all that bad especially how 3 were yesterday under (from what I have read) horrible weather conditions. Going into yesterdays game Succop’s only missed FG was the one that was blocked which was because the center never came out of his stance after hiking the ball to pick up the blocker. I watch opposing defenders constantly beat our lineman to get into the backfield which disrupts everything. I would be suprised if Cassel actually has any comfort in the blocking. At times it has appeared like there was improvement, but I don’t really think so. It all starts with the line, the better they are at their job the better the backs will be, the more comfortable and confident (in the blocking) your QB will be. I have no faith in JC (too many fumbles), haven’t seen enough of Savage, but am hoping KS is healthy. If the line play was better I do think LJ would have better numbers, maybe not what most would want, but better.
by Tooner on Oct 26, 2009 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If LJ really wanted to play
his #’s would be better
by mcclanahanman on Oct 26, 2009 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Cassel wanted to play
his 3’s would be better too.
Look up the stats. The leader of this offense is Matt not Larry. Matt was the one who endorse LJ all thru training camp. Why? Cuz Matt knows that LJ is the reason why he is getting hit 1 in 4 attempts instead of 1 in 2 attempts.
Cassel stats both completion pct. and passer ratingis near bottom. his completion pct. is better only to names like K. Collins, J. Russell, D. Anderson, B. Leftwich, J. Johnson and a rookie QB named Sanchez.
Predictions as of 06.24.2009.
Larry Johnson will be a top 3 fantasy pick once again in 2010 (after a monster season in 2009.)
Dwayne Bowe will be a 2009 Pro Bowl selection.
Brandon Flowers will have at least 6 INTs in 2009 season.
Todd Haley will have a sideline shouting match caught on TV yelling at one of his asst. coaches.
by 58 was my friend on Oct 27, 2009 12:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
I don’t care I’m not too high on Cassel either……….Don’t get me started on him
by mcclanahanman on Oct 27, 2009 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+10
Predictions as of 06.24.2009.
Larry Johnson will be a top 3 fantasy pick once again in 2010 (after a monster season in 2009.)
Dwayne Bowe will be a 2009 Pro Bowl selection.
Brandon Flowers will have at least 6 INTs in 2009 season.
Todd Haley will have a sideline shouting match caught on TV yelling at one of his asst. coaches.
by 58 was my friend on Oct 26, 2009 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe not.
But then again, you can be pretty damn sure that Charles isn’t going to take three steps forward, run into one of his own linemen and fall down.
by JacinB on Oct 26, 2009 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
LOL, you are asuming he will hold on to the ball for those 3 steps :-)
by Tooner on Oct 26, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stop with the Jamaal man-love
If Charles started 2 games averaging 25 carries in each, you’d see him in PUP for the rest of the season.
You fellas have no freaking idea the punishment a RB takes for carrying the rock each week. Worst, you have no idea what its like to be the featured back where opposing DEF scheme and gameplan to stop you and beat you up. LJ aren’t taking hits from Safeties or LBs. He’s been getting planted by 300lb linemen every freakin week.
Get real fellas!
Predictions as of 06.24.2009.
Larry Johnson will be a top 3 fantasy pick once again in 2010 (after a monster season in 2009.)
Dwayne Bowe will be a 2009 Pro Bowl selection.
Brandon Flowers will have at least 6 INTs in 2009 season.
Todd Haley will have a sideline shouting match caught on TV yelling at one of his asst. coaches.
by 58 was my friend on Oct 26, 2009 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So what!!!
Charles isn’t the only guy who can carry the rock. i actually think Savage is better than either of them. Let those two guys split the carries. It will allow them to both stay fresh and it will do a lot towards keeping the defenses guessing.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Oct 26, 2009 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True
You have a point there
EXCEPT the HC calling the plays aren’t as creative with using multiple backs set. Ummm…Haley fired Chan Gailey who did exactly that last year with a make shift shitty line, thus getting LJ pissed cuz he didn’t know when and how much he’d play each week.
Predictions as of 06.24.2009.
Larry Johnson will be a top 3 fantasy pick once again in 2010 (after a monster season in 2009.)
Dwayne Bowe will be a 2009 Pro Bowl selection.
Brandon Flowers will have at least 6 INTs in 2009 season.
Todd Haley will have a sideline shouting match caught on TV yelling at one of his asst. coaches.
by 58 was my friend on Oct 26, 2009 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That really kills me too.
Multi back sets are a great way to disguise your offense. If he put Charles and savage back there it could serve multiple purposes. They could max protect in passing situations or you slide one of them to the outside for the swing pass when the defense is bringing a blitz and give Cassel a dangerous check down guy. Our offense could instantly become more respectable w/o LJ back there. Really, he is more of a hindrance than an asset.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Oct 26, 2009 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and he's just an expendable employee
just because you are a former NFL star doesn’t give you the right to take shots at your boss publicly. if it was a McDonalds employee that said some comments about his boss on twitter, it’s not as big a deal. chances are his boss will never even know anything was said. i seriously doubt McDonalds managers follow their employee’s twitter pages. but once you become a celebrity, things change. you have to watch everything you say because everyone is watching you. you can’t make comments about your boss and not expect repercussions. regardless wether you like haley or not, wether you think the statements were that bad or not, or wether you agree with LJ’s statements, haley is LJs boss and therefore should not let an employee disrespect him. PERIOD! if haley wants to keep command this team he needs to be firm. if he doesn’t, other employee’s will follow in LJs footsteps.
by Leaf on Oct 26, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree
I agree completely. I consider myself a pretty level headed fan and I was willing to give LJ another chance but he proves time and again his immaturity and lack of personal restraint at making stupid public comments like this.
It’s not even a question anymore if he’s a productive RB or not. We can do no worse with or without him.
I think at this point cutting ties or sever disciplinary action (deactivated multiple games) with him is the only option. Personally I hope Hunt, Pioli and Haley call a press conference, make united stand and finally put this trash out on the curb.
by zachm on Oct 26, 2009 9:54 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I say
Look at Kolby Smith during the bye and if he looks good and healthy play him and Charles during week 9 and bench LJ for discipline, if they look good or decent cut LJ and move on.
As for Haley he might loose the team if nothing is done, then again he may lose them with the play-calling.
by km230015 on Oct 26, 2009 9:55 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
LJ
IMO Pioli will handle this, not Haley. Why? What LJ said was about Haley personally. I think that is how it will and should be handled. On lj, haven’t we given this guy enough chances by now? I think so.
David Logue
by dklogue1 on Oct 26, 2009 9:57 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The fact that the comments were against Haley
Is the exact reason Haley must deal with them.
If Haley remains silent and Pioli deals with it, it will look like Haley had to go running to dad because someone called him a bad name.
For Haley to keep the locker room, especially while they are losing, he needs to prove that he’s the captain of the ship and that whatever problems come up he will deal with them.
by ChiefDJ on Oct 26, 2009 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Totally Agree.
Haley needs to prove he is captain of this ship. If he allows the LJ CANCER to continue to eat at the rest of the team, this team will never develop a brotherhood, or a winners attitude. get rid of LJ, and let Charles have his chance. Cant be worse than LJs numbers. All he has become is an excuse maker since he obtained his millions.
Toby J. Neal
by chiefs24 on Oct 26, 2009 9:57 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I say, "Bye, bye, LJ.
See y’all later. Don’t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out."
by G.L. on Oct 26, 2009 9:59 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What I don't get is he should be disciplined even IF HE WAS GOOD
Which he obviously isn’t.
I don’t know who’s fault it is, LJ’s for taking the money and then quitting, Carl for that terrible contract, Herm for running him into the ground in 2006 or Pioli for buying his act in the off season. But the fact is even if he was a good boy, he isn’t performing on the field and that should be all that counts. I don’t buy the “running behind a shitty line” argument, good packs like Ryan Grant find a way to run behind shitty lines.
Now is the perfect opportunity to cut the ties and let Charles, Kolby and Savage battle for the #1 back…and never…EVER draft a high #1 back again. RB’s are a dime a dozen. Adrian Pederson comes around only once a decade or so.
I ♥ Dick Vermeil
by craig in calgary on Oct 26, 2009 10:00 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed,
even if he was on pace to run for 1700 yards again, something has to be done! Suspend him, fine him, cut him! Whatever it is, it has to be done & production should have very little bearing in the decision. The Chiefs have constantly continued to cut LJ slack & he continually stabs them in the back by casting negatives onto the Chiefs organization. How many black eyes will they allow this pampered immature individual to give them?
by ttownmikey on Oct 26, 2009 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Big test today for Haley, whose presser is 3:30. If he ignores LJ’s words or says he hasn’t heard, he looks out of touch and disconnected.
from @kb_kcstar via Twitter
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Oct 26, 2009 10:01 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow, LJ made a dumb comment. Haley has made some too.
At least LJ’s comments were true. Haley doesn’t seem to be able to take players off the street and win, like he said he would while talking smack on Big Herm. Obviously LJ needs to go somewhere else, he has had three coaches in seven years of horrible football, I would probably be throwing in the towel too. Haley may be a good head coach in five or ten years, but are we willing to wait that long for him to mature into an actual NFL head coach. LJ is an idiot, but it’s about time to buck up and admit that Haley is too or we could just waste another couple more years figuring it out.
by Hubin311 on Oct 26, 2009 10:03 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You've been Whitlocked if you think Haley said that.
Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read. - Groucho Marx
by Big Chief on Oct 26, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry Jason, I just don't believe you.
Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read. - Groucho Marx
by Big Chief on Oct 26, 2009 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Clearly we should cut LJ
and sign a RB from the Cardinals or Patriots practice squad and start him the same week.
by Bono Bootleg on Oct 26, 2009 10:04 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
i don't think it will be ignored
but i do think it will be dealt with privately. i highly doubt he gets cut or suspended
Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day.
Harry S. Truman
by kcguy on Oct 26, 2009 10:08 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I think they will start to deal with this privately, but unless LJ shows a willingness to change his attitude I think there are going to be public repercussions. I think suspension is the most likely outcome at this point because I doubt that LJ has the maturity to “return to the fold”.
Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read. - Groucho Marx
by Big Chief on Oct 26, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Pioli and Haley keeping LJ is a sign of how unprepared they both were when they came in
Both of these guys, Pioli and Haley, were a little overconfident when they came to KC. Both of them thought that the previous GM and head coach were just SOOO terrible and inept that they couldn’t learn from their mistakes.
The previous regime was SOOO inept that they couldn’t field a decent offensive line, and Pioli was so confident he could find some scrubs somewhere and everything would be fine.
They thought the LJ problems were because he wasn’t being handled properly, but THEY would know how to handle him and make him happy and productive.
Not everything that is wrong on this team was because of inept handling by the previous regime. It was Petersons fault for signing LJ to a big contract. But its Pioli’s fault for keeping him around.
by ChiefDJ on Oct 26, 2009 10:09 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Pioli and Haley keeping him was a big surprise to me as well
I think it’s very human to believe that people can change. I think LJ has the ability to be a player in this league and he was doing what they asked of him. For proof look at the fact that he hasn’t been a detriment in a passing play any longer. He’s actually blocking. I didn’t think I’d ever see that from him. I think this came about because Pioli and Haley wanted to show that if you follow the rules, you’ll get along with the new regime. And LJ played along so they kept him. I see that as a positive. Now we’ll see how they react with guys who stop cooperating.
Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read. - Groucho Marx
by Big Chief on Oct 26, 2009 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
REALLY?
I think they held on to LJ simply because Belichik spoke highly of LJ and LJ reminds the Pats organization of 1 malcontent named Dillon. If LJ is out in the market place – he is a Patriot.
Make me eat my crow. Just like Tony G, I’d love for LJ to go somewhere else and be happy and have success.
Seriously – if you guys look at the roster now on offense – whats the only threat that opposing Defense gameplan for? Larry Johnson. Every week, if you watch playbook, the guys only state that once the defense stop LJ, they have neutralize KC offense.
Take away LJ????
LMAO
Predictions as of 06.24.2009.
Larry Johnson will be a top 3 fantasy pick once again in 2010 (after a monster season in 2009.)
Dwayne Bowe will be a 2009 Pro Bowl selection.
Brandon Flowers will have at least 6 INTs in 2009 season.
Todd Haley will have a sideline shouting match caught on TV yelling at one of his asst. coaches.
by 58 was my friend on Oct 26, 2009 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Meh.
I don’t recall Corey Dillon being a malcontent in Cincinatti. I remember him not producing the kind of results the team expected and being an underachiever. I don’t recall him being a locker room cancer. I don’t recall him having off-the-field issues with abusing women. I don’t recall him bad-mouthing his coach, or trash-talking and gay-bashing fans in a public forum.
If he did, perhaps you can point me to the news stories about it.
by JacinB on Oct 26, 2009 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am looking
I knew all of this have something to do with —>
I don’t recall him having off-the-field issues with abusing women.
I rest my case because its clear I am speaking to someone trying to make a case for women bashing incident and mixing it with sports. I know he did that but its not about that. What we’re talking here is about if LJ is bad for the team. The answer is NO. he is our only weapon. Defense still gameplan to stop LJ. If you take LJ out. We’d be offenseless.
Who would opponents gameplan against? Succop?
LMAO!
Predictions as of 06.24.2009.
Larry Johnson will be a top 3 fantasy pick once again in 2010 (after a monster season in 2009.)
Dwayne Bowe will be a 2009 Pro Bowl selection.
Brandon Flowers will have at least 6 INTs in 2009 season.
Todd Haley will have a sideline shouting match caught on TV yelling at one of his asst. coaches.
by 58 was my friend on Oct 26, 2009 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope.
I rest my case because its clear I am speaking to someone trying to make a case for women bashing incident and mixing it with sports.
That’s just one example (or, more accurately, four examples) of LJ’s continued disruptive behavior that needs to be dealt with in a definitive manner. You, however, chose to sidestep all of those and pick out this one particular issue as a reason to not continue to support your side of the argument. It’s likely because you realized that your side of the argument, at least when it comes to LJ, is weak.
Is LJ bad for the team? Yes. He’s a cancer in the locker room. He’s a problem off the field (abusing women, gay-bashing, ‘twitter wars’ with fans, etc.) and he’s a problem on the field (he’s got attitude problems, he hasn’t run hard since he got his big paycheck, etc.).
You state he is our only weapon. He’s not. He’s not even our best weapon, and he hasn’t been for several years now. The Chiefs need to move on.
by JacinB on Oct 26, 2009 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here Corey Dillon from 2003
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/bengals/2003-10-22-dillon-demands_x.htm
Predictions as of 06.24.2009.
Larry Johnson will be a top 3 fantasy pick once again in 2010 (after a monster season in 2009.)
Dwayne Bowe will be a 2009 Pro Bowl selection.
Brandon Flowers will have at least 6 INTs in 2009 season.
Todd Haley will have a sideline shouting match caught on TV yelling at one of his asst. coaches.
by 58 was my friend on Oct 26, 2009 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Suspend him
Then find a way to not have to pay his ass. Cutting him will just give him a chance to maybe get on another team cheap and run his mouth/twitter and bad mouth the Chiefs. Do not give him a chance to prove KC wrong, make him sit on his ass and think about what he could not be a mature man til he has no skills left of value to any team.
is it me? or isn't about time the Lamar Hunt trophy belonged to His team?
I’m a Chiefs fan Dammit and I’m damn proud of it!
by KC Fanatic on Oct 26, 2009 10:09 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The thing is they could have gotten out of his contract this offseason
They won a court case that would have allowed them to nullify his contract because of his legal problems.
Then they went ahead and kept him. Now they’re on the hook for his salary when they could have gotten out of it.
by ChiefDJ on Oct 26, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought they renegotiated after that.
Didn’t they? So that if he had any further ‘issues,’ they could’ve gotten out of paying him?
by JacinB on Oct 26, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bench him
Haley should say in his presser they are going to deal with the issue internally.
And then bench him or even make his a coaches decision to be left off the active roster. Similar to what they did with Page last week. (Of course for very different reasons).
Then fine him for the bigotted comments that he made.
He should not see the field for a few weeks.
by DTforHOF on Oct 26, 2009 10:12 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I saw the quit on their faces
I was 3rd row @ the 50 right behind the Chiefs sideline, and these guys had no fight after the 1st quarter. I saw it on their faces and in their body language. The ONLY one that seemed to get tpissed about it (besides Haley) was Vrabel. He’s not used to getting his ass kicked…the rest of these guys are, and have grown used to and resigned to it still. Haley may have a different demeanor than Herm,but he’s proving to be just as ineffective, and he’s losing this team FAST. LJ’s not helping things at all. They MUST get rid of him. Hunt & Pioli better spend some cash this off-season on a line & some playmakers, or this team’s gonna be in the crapper for years to come
by reedeasy on Oct 26, 2009 10:13 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Vrabel, yes.
I moved down by the tunnel late in the 3rd, and saw him yelling at the refs when Antonio Gates was trying to argue that he had a TD. I wish the rest of the team would follow Vrabel’s example.
by GonzosDirtyTrailer on Oct 26, 2009 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you shouldn't have expected things to be different
there was no way haley was going to be able to turn that kind of attitude around in only 6 months. we all knew this was going to the be a long, hard to watch season. while i hoped for better results this is nothing i didn’t expect.
by Leaf on Oct 26, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Want to hear a REDICULOUS stat?
Adrian Peterson touches: 156; Larry Johnson touches: 144
I ♥ Dick Vermeil
by craig in calgary on Oct 26, 2009 10:32 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Thats not the ridiculous part, this is
Adrian Peterson – 687 yds
Larry Johnson – 358
by ChiefDJ on Oct 26, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The reason the amount of touches is rediculous is he KEEPS GETTING THE DAMN BALL
I ♥ Dick Vermeil
by craig in calgary on Oct 26, 2009 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of Adrian peterson
I trust all saw him plow over William Gay over the weekend?
That guy is a friggin’ Mack truck. He is everything LJ is not.
I ♥ Dick Vermeil
by craig in calgary on Oct 26, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Want to hear another?
Adrian Peterson YPC: 5.0; Larry Johnson YPC: 2.7
by JacinB on Oct 26, 2009 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And another
Adrian peterson – STUD
Larry johnson – Douche
by Bestofthewest on Oct 26, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
cut him, dont care about value or money, cut him.
cant stand his attitude, but more than anything what he said to tho se fans, is what we knew was inside all along, thinks we are just stupid BBQing fans that arent a part of the team, he has no respect for the fans, or his teammates, so I have no respect for him.
Cut him twice
by SDChief on Oct 26, 2009 10:53 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
for his comments about Haley, LJ should be benched and fined ... by the team
… for his OTHER comments and abusive language, LJ should be heavily fined and suspended by the LEAGUE
that’s my NSHO
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Oct 26, 2009 10:57 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Isnt it true in any buisness if you take a shot at the boss
Your Fired
Check out the gun show over here FIYA POWA
by redmedicone on Oct 26, 2009 10:59 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No, not always.
Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read. - Groucho Marx
by Big Chief on Oct 26, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where do you work?
I can’t think of anywhere that if you took a shot at your boss that you wouldn’t be fired.
by ChiefDJ on Oct 26, 2009 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It depends on where, how and when
A lot of bosses (and the best bosses in my experience) will let you question their decisions or actions one-on-one, as long as you’re not derogatory. “Grumbling among the troops” is considered quite normal and acceptable as long as it’s not “detrimental to the organization.” Public shots at your boss, like LJ did, are always an issue, but I’ve seen circumstances where it has been excused because of “exigent circumstances” (recent death in the family or other high stress situation). There’s no black and white rule, but LJ’s actions are going to be hard to explain away and I don’t think the spin they’re using is going to work.
But his later tweets to the fans are the even bigger issue. I don’t think he’s going to be able to gloss that over.
Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read. - Groucho Marx
by Big Chief on Oct 26, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
if nothing is done, his comments, no matter how mild they may seem, will be detrimental to the team. i also agree that the spin they are putting on it is utter BS. my team just lost a game and i’m going on twitter to fluff up my dad. yah that makes a lot of since. than the idiot makes those comments to the fans. that’s pretty much the nails in his coffin in my opinion.
by Leaf on Oct 26, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what if this is a matter of WHISTLE BLOWING?
You think LJ would wait this long to act this way? Perhaps he noticed its time cuz there more than 50% of the team feeling that Haley is loosing control and that Haley is not up to the task.
Predictions as of 06.24.2009.
Larry Johnson will be a top 3 fantasy pick once again in 2010 (after a monster season in 2009.)
Dwayne Bowe will be a 2009 Pro Bowl selection.
Brandon Flowers will have at least 6 INTs in 2009 season.
Todd Haley will have a sideline shouting match caught on TV yelling at one of his asst. coaches.
by 58 was my friend on Oct 26, 2009 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Keep LJ!
Let him destroy this team…ok, if that’s possible, so we can get a real coach next year. The fact that they didn’t get rid of him before the season told me they weren’t right for the job! ( Haley, or Pioli)
by 12t on Oct 26, 2009 12:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Keyshawn him!
It's a good thing Pioli and Haley aren't running AP or a lot of you guys would of been traded or cut for cast offs from the Pats Pulpit.
by KCporkchop on Oct 26, 2009 12:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
WHAT DO YOU WANT
Everyone complains that this coach is to hard on the players. but when Vermeil and Herm was here they were to soft what do you people want. the coach runs the team not the players.not the fans. I think Haley should take care of this any way he sees fit. Now the NFL will have to lower the boom on L J or they will look like a bunch of dumbasses.
by Charles # 1 chiefs fan on Oct 26, 2009 12:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Want to see...
People be patient with Pioli/Haley because this is still Herm’s horrible team. Also, for LJ to get his butt kicked out of LJ for good; without Priest Holmes’ rushing record.
by ChiefsFan90s on Oct 26, 2009 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They WANT BILL COWER...oops
Hard on the Players When he makes that face….. It’s all over.
Experience in Winning
He is the perfect Balance of the 2
(and former Coach of the Team)
BUT I Doubt it will happen :(
by Jclawd on Oct 26, 2009 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What is Haley going to do, the team already hates his guts
Haley is a fail. He is a walking pms commercial
by FrankPitts on Oct 26, 2009 1:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The team hates Haley, they will side with LJ ...
…they will see how Waters was treated, how Herm’s players are treated and they will force a move by tanking. Have tanked. Haley is done. Cast him adrift. NEXT!
by FrankPitts on Oct 26, 2009 1:31 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
+100
Haley was done from the moment after the Waters incident leaked out.
What he did is a sign of inexperience and YES, immaturity. enough with bashing LJ for immaturity everyone. LJ at least have brought us victories agains division foes, TDs, 2+ great seasons.
What have Haley done? What’s his credibility and where did he earn the right to call out Pro Bowl guards when he hasn’t even met the players?
Predictions as of 06.24.2009.
Larry Johnson will be a top 3 fantasy pick once again in 2010 (after a monster season in 2009.)
Dwayne Bowe will be a 2009 Pro Bowl selection.
Brandon Flowers will have at least 6 INTs in 2009 season.
Todd Haley will have a sideline shouting match caught on TV yelling at one of his asst. coaches.
by 58 was my friend on Oct 26, 2009 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LJ and Waters.... are DONE!!
If Waters gets another penalty, stopping a drive………. ooooohh :(
LJ…. Charles is on your Head SON!!!……
by Jclawd on Oct 26, 2009 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haley is DONE
Todd….. Russ Grimm and Mike Miller is in your head. Cards continue to have success. Boldin is a happier WR with you degrading and demeaning approach out of the lockerroom.
Predictions as of 06.24.2009.
Larry Johnson will be a top 3 fantasy pick once again in 2010 (after a monster season in 2009.)
Dwayne Bowe will be a 2009 Pro Bowl selection.
Brandon Flowers will have at least 6 INTs in 2009 season.
Todd Haley will have a sideline shouting match caught on TV yelling at one of his asst. coaches.
by 58 was my friend on Oct 26, 2009 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tough call here.
Honestly, I don’t think that anyone here is in the right. LJ is obviously frustrated by the losses, and the lack of execution, and well, anything that remotely resembles a football team. Haley throwing a big, public fit won’t solve the problem either. Someone’s got to be the “Bigger Man” here. The situation needs to be dealt with, privately, And with enough force to get the point across. I think the less media is brought into this situation, the better for all parties involved. Personally, I think L.J, and the Chiefs would be at least 4 wins ahead of their current standing with a Decent O Line, And I think that rushing record would have been in LJ’s hands four games ago. The bottom line, folks, is that we lost yesterday because NO ONE showed up to play. NOT A SINGLE PERSON THAT MADE THE FIELD. Not Todd Haley, Not Larry Johnson, Not The O-Line, Not Matt Cassell, Not Mike Vrabel, Not Glenn Dorsey, Not The Secondary, Or D Line, Recievers, Tight Ends, Anyone. You might as well cut the whole coaching staff and team and forfeit every game the rest of the year and start over next year. Bottom Line, It’s everyone’s fault. So…Now that there’s a by week, Here’s what the Chiefs need to do. Watch "Remember The Titans, and get to Effing work. Having a distracting Media presence just because Larry Johnson bitched and moaned on his twitter page won’t help us win next week, or the week after, or next season. Think about it folks, and have some faith.
by BetterRedThanDead on Oct 26, 2009 2:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Bye Bye LJ
Coach Haley needs to get rid of the locker room cancer, lazy, useless, and extremely over rated LJ. I could average 2 yards a carry. Damm!!!!!!! LJ is past his prime and worthless. I have never seen a less inspired perfomance than what I have seen from LJ this year.
by chief fan dad on Oct 26, 2009 8:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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