LJ's Golf Coach Comments Hit Chiefs Coach Where it Hurts
by Joel Thorman on Oct 26, 2009 7:30 AM CDT
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We all know the story by now. Last night on his Twitter account, Kansas City Chiefs RB Larry Johnson said "My dad played for the coach in "remember the titans". Our coach played golf. My dad played for the redskins briefley. Our coach. Nuthn."
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The tweet has since been deleted (but a screen shot can be seen here).
The comments are disturbing enough but they're taken to another level once we understand how head coach Todd Haley feels about being referred to as a golf coach. Kent Babb of the Kansas City Star details some of this.
"Haley wants to be known as a successful football coach," Babb writes, "and his background as a golf coach and golf pro isn't something he likes discussing. He has told me several times that it's just something in his past, and he'd just as soon leave it behind.
Haley's background is not in football. He went to college on a golf scholarship and did not college, professional or even high school football. He did not get into the game until his late 20s. His father, though, is a long-time personnel guy in the NFL so he's got an intimate knowledge of the game because of that connection.
Babb continues, "It's hard enough for those NFL players, proud as they are, to respect a rookie head coach who hasn't brought much winning with him to Kansas City.
"Then add that non-traditional background, that he is a young head coach at 42, and his attitude toward players is understandably difficult to adjust to. It makes sense that he'd like to quiet his career's detours, and knowing how conscious Haley is of that fact, it's even more revealing to me that LJ hit Haley tonight where it hurts."
Uh-oh.
This went from publicly criticizing your coach to taking a personal shot at him. For some reason, I don't think this will sit well with Haley.
The Chiefs coach has said on multiple occasions that he wants players who want to be in Kansas City. Well, this is about as obvious as it gets - LJ does NOT want to be here.
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Yeah my dad
had a degree in aerospace engineering…. so I must know all about rocket science…. come on… Just because your dad was successful doesn’t mean you know anything about what he did…..
Read the statement!!!
He’s not saying that he knows how to coach LJ is saying his dad knows how to coach and is more qualified then Todd Hailey…
and Honestly if you look at his Dads pedigree he is right cause Todd Hailey has almost no coaching experience.
South Side D
I picked out one piece and commented on the singular comment....
“His father, though, is a long-time personnel guy in the NFL so he’s got an intimate knowledge of the game because of that connection.”
That’s what I was commenting on…. not the LJ comment… but in reality…. Haley and LJ’s dad would be/are both woefully underqualified to be the head coach of my beloved chiefs.
i guess 13 years in the NFL is almost no coaching experience?
Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day.
Harry S. Truman
When you look at
how many years he was a quality control coach…. or a receivers coach… it’s like jumping from fry cook, to shift manager… to the CEO of mcdonalds…
no it's not
going from receivers coach to head coach is more like going from assistant manager to general manager. did you know tony sparano was never a coordinator? or jim caldwell was just the qb’s coach before getting the head coaching job? the point i’m making is since ‘99, he’s been a COACH in the NFL (4 previous years was an assistant in scouting and quality control). He has the experience to succeed. i’m not saying he will but if he doesn’t, it won’t be because he didn’t have enough tenure as a coach.
Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day.
Harry S. Truman
most people cite those guys as being woefully underqualified as well
regardless of how we see the jump…. The guy was the hot name that they jumped on… and it’s fine…. Frankly no one would have much success with this team….
But most people would be smart enough not to make his dumb ass 22 players of the street comment…. You raise the stakes when you say crap like that… you sure as hell better be good, or you’re gonna get shit….
well you're assuming he actually said it
because witlock reported it. that’s the only place that has reported it and i’m not so sure it really happened as he wrote it. regardless, tell me what makes a coach “qualified”? all of them start somewhere
Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day.
Harry S. Truman
I'm not even getting into that argument...
We all know it took place….
If you want to argue that logic… LJ could have said that wasn’t really him… twitter can’t verify those accounts… lots of celebrity imposters….
The one thing that he can post on a resume is being the OC for a Lucky football team that played over it’s head on the way to the superbowl… you give me that offense in AZ and there’s a chance I could put up 20 points a game…. I agree that everyone needs to start somewhere… but I don’t want that somewhere to be effing up with my chiefs…
how do you know? because whitlock said so?
i guess it’s in print so it should be believed. i don’t doubt he’s said some strong or harsh things to people but we’ll never know what he said to waters OR the context he was saying it in. it’s not an argument, it’s just how i look at things. if it was really true, wouldn’t espn be all over it? just my opinion.
hate to tell you but the chiefs were effed up long before haley got here and now he has the unenviable task of un-effing it. he can put he was the passing game coordinator in dallas under sean payton for 2 seasons (as well as wr coach) he was the oc in arizona for 2 seasons and was very successful. if it were so easy down there with those playmakers, why wasn’t denny green more successful?
Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day.
Harry S. Truman
I think all this has been hashed out before...
and I think the consensus always ends up being something along the lines of We won’t be able to tell how good he is for quite awhile… although his dug himself quite a hole to climb out of…
I think that statement has been reported enough places without having been refuted to say it’s legit…. I’m pretty sure if that had come out and it wasn’t true… Haley would step up and say something…. Either way…. we’ll never know if it did or didn’t happen. I think it did… you think it didn’t….
Haley get’s a lot of credit for what happened in arizona but he wasn’t even the HC… and it’s not like the offense has lost a step….
Maybe I’m just a better coach than dennis green…. ha… we were who we thought they were
I know there are people who believe he said it, fine
Haley’s only response to ANY questions about discussions that went on between him and a player has been that he’s not going to talk about private conversations. He’s been consistent about that regardless of the player or situation..
So I don’t think your comment about him not refuting it is totally without merit. I also would be concerned about a coach or GM who would go around refuting everything stated by a columnist.
Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read. - Groucho Marx
kcguy ... so for you ... since Jason said you think it couldn't possibly be true
just because you dislike Jason or his politics or his style, you discount anything you read from him … because you dislike him so much
yes the Chiefs were not a good team before Pioli/Haley got here … and they still are (to me not at all better than last year, and maybe even worse in some ways
as for Haley’s experience, he has what … 10 yrs in coaching since 99 … that’s not a lot, and that’s less OVERALL experience than some kids who get out of college … he made the jump from OC to HC with LITTLE exp at the OC level and based on his time with Ariz which was NOT much … a wunderkind who SEEMS to be in over his head and is too stubborn to admit it, with an in your face style that works for Marines at boot camp but doesn’t always work well in the NFL
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
first of all, you don't know my stance on whitlock
i actually enjoy reading his work but i always take his columns with a grain of salt because i realize he slants everything to fit his point of view. that’s fine they are opinion based columns and not really reporting. all i’m saying is no one knows for sure what was said OR what context it was said in. i don’t agree that haley would have stood up and defended himself if it were untrue because i really don’t think he gives a shit what’s written about him. your logic about college kids having more experience than haley is comical. there is a big difference between playing and coaching and most of the guys i played with in college never understood the game. they were just good athletes. what you don’t seem to understand is i’m not a haley apologist but i haven’t seen enough to fairly evaluate. you seem ever ready to pounce at every mistake but that’s your style. i prefer to give it the season (at least) and evaluate the entire performance and not nitpick his every move. and in the future, try to avoid telling me what my opinion is
Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day.
Harry S. Truman
I'll give him the season - even though I dislike what he's done so far
… not only do I not like his style, and I’d wager many of the players would say that as well, I strongly disagree with his firing of Gailey and forcing the team to “start over”
he’s overwhelmed, I think, as both HC and OC and it shows in game day decisions
if Herm had done what Haley did yesterday in terms of clock mismanagement at the end of the 1st half, AP would be filled with posts to “Fire Herm”
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
We wanted Herm fired because...
…he was a consistently horrid coach over three seasons, and delivered arguably the most pathetic Chiefs playoff game ever.
I think most folks agree that we need to give Haley a chance to implement his program in the short term before we talk about firing him.
by GonzosDirtyTrailer on Oct 26, 2009 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions
and by your logic i'll say this
upamtn…for you…since it’s negative about todd haley, it has to be true…
just because you dislike his coaching or his style, you agree with any bad press that comes out about him….because you dislike him so much
Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day.
Harry S. Truman
My thoughts exactly!
How can you say that someone does not have a background in football when he has been a successful coach in the NFL for 13+ years? Nice twist by the media… Leave it alone, the media is looking for a nother TO, we don’t need to give it to them!
Respect
I’ve work for some people that I didn’t respect but it didn’t stop me from doing my job. Many of them didn’t have my knowledge of what I did and because they lack the skills I had didn’t cause me to believe they couldn’t lead. LJ can’t shake the basic belief that if you don’t coddle him you are his enemy so he lashes out at anyone that doesn’t kiss up to him. Some never grow up and become very bitter toward others.
Brilliant move by LJ.
He bought in to the program but clearly Haley is a fail so LJ is saying Jared Gonzales me off this sinking ship.
I lol'd at this.
Jared Gonzales me off this sinking ship
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Oct 26, 2009 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions
LJ is right!!!
Look at Todd Hailey’s experience.
Todd has never been a head coach, a WR coach for 6yrs then a OC for two but for the first year as a OC he didn’t even call the plays.
I don’t care about the fact that he has never played football what I do care about is the fact that he has very little coaching experience including no head coaching experience and everything that he is doing he is doing trying to be Bill Parcells.
What Todd must realize is that he’s no Bill Parcells and Parcells had a ton of experience before making it to a head coaching job..
I just pray that when it comes time to fire Todd Egoli can get it done without letting the friendship they share get in the way.
South Side D
parcells was a d coordinator for one season before he was offered the head coaching job
your facts are all wrong
Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day.
Harry S. Truman
by kcguy on Oct 26, 2009 8:10 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
point to consider ... this is indeed Haley's first time as HC, and even Belichick failed his first time as HC
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
even big bill went 3-12-1 his first year
belichick had 5 seasons in cleveland and even went 11-5 one year. and that team was plotting its move to baltimore for much of his last 2 seasons. i’m just saying it’s far too early to make any rational judgments on his ability to coach.
Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day.
Harry S. Truman
Todd has never been a head coach
Every single head coach out there at one point had no experience being a head coach.
I don’t mind people criticizing him for some things, but you really can’t hold that against him. Everyone has to start somewhere.
Look at the Ravens John Harbaugh. He was a special teams coach for 9 years, then had a year as a DB coach before getting the Ravens job.
LJ is correct
Haley brings this badass coaching scheme, and wants to blackball players. His coaching credentials should be in question. Is labeled a good coach because of the players? We all knew this was going to be an awful season. I believe Haley think his shit don’t stink. Have Gailey call the plays.
Yeah, because Chan
was such a huge success as our OC /sarcasm.
Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...
Such a non issue
Ok so he didn’t play football. A lot of NFL coaches didn’t play football. Just because you don’t play doesn’t mean you don’t know the game. And just because you play doesn’t mean you can coach. They are two different jobs, I have had managers that hardly even understood what I did but then I couldn’t really do their job either.
ummmmm
I have had managers that hardly even understood what I did but then I couldn’t really do their job either./blockquote>
Kinda sounds like Todd Haley
I bet 95 percent of the current chiefs...
will never be coaches…. so you’re right…they might not be able to do his job…. but they’d have a much easier time doing his job than the other way around…
I would say
Most NFL coaches played College or at the very least HS football. The truth is that Todd hated football until he couldn’t make it in the PGA and had to go to the one place where he had connections.
Predictions for 2009:
LJ runs for 1800 yards
Bowe in the pro bowl
Chiefs D finishes in the top 10 in points allowed
Chiefs 10-6
by bonesjackson on Oct 26, 2009 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Both need to go
I just hope Clarke sends them both out on the same bus. No one can make Larry happy and the same goes for Haley. He has to be destroying what little confidence anyone had.
by Olakan on Oct 26, 2009 8:19 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Just what all the Nancys wanted/needed
was this game.
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.
by Lanier63 on Oct 26, 2009 8:49 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Are you really trying to bait me with this crap...???
you have to admit that basically what I said would be a problem has been a problem… even if it’s just a crybaby LJ…. Gotta think he’s not the only one thinking these things….. Anyway… We’ll only be able to tell Haley’s worth way down the line…
Just what the haters wanted/needed
These Tweets
Predictions for 2009:
LJ runs for 1800 yards
Bowe in the pro bowl
Chiefs D finishes in the top 10 in points allowed
Chiefs 10-6
by bonesjackson on Oct 26, 2009 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
LJ is a loser and a cancer to the team, I hope he gets dismissed from the team over this crap
that said, he’s absolutely right – LJ is not the reason that a million people are calling for Haley’s head (I personally have never been on the Haley Bandwagon) – Haley has NOT been good for this team (same goes for Pioli)
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
Haley proved his worth...
The day he took over and didn’t let LJ go. Did he ever watch a tape of last season?
I'll admit there are some concerns
but it’s far too soon to be saying they haven’t been good for the team IMO.
The Moss/LJ comparisons are spot-on
LJ has the capability to play well, but is basically protecting himself instead of pushing forward like the Larry of old.
Of course there is an attitude issue, and Haley/Pioli will handle that as best befits their program. Frankly, at this point the performance and attitude issues merit benching, at minimum, though I think a fine would be the best way to go. All LJ cares about is his money.
What sucks for us is, if we want to trade him, it’s going to be a Trent Green type trade at this point vs a Jared Allen type. Major bummer.
by GonzosDirtyTrailer on Oct 26, 2009 9:13 AM CDT reply actions
LJ hasn't had JA-type trade value since 2006
He’s barely worth a trade at the moment.
Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...
seriously fk LJ...he can ride the bench
it’s not like he’s doing much on the field anyway. That comment was blatant disrespect and insubordinate. In any other “real world” job, he’d been reprimanded.
by HeatherChiefsLvr on Oct 26, 2009 9:33 AM CDT reply actions
In all fairness....
In the “real world” Haley wouldn’t be allowed to speak disrespectfully to his subordinates the way he does…
by callmesir on Oct 26, 2009 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Have you ever even played football
I remember gettin bitched out in high school when I messed up, yeah it pissed me off but I went out and tried to prove the coach was a dumbass. Little did I know that I was playing right into his hands. Never did it enter my mind to bite the hand that fed me, you’d put a dog down for that.
KC needs to keep LJ for the remainder of his contract, don’t play him, don’t dress him, don’t give him a playbook, just make an example out of him. Put him on an excercise bike and give him one of those weight gain diets and fine his ass for not gaining weight, once he’s 300 lbs try him out at tackle and cut him when he flops. End of LJ.
LJ has no character and anyone defending him is in the same boat and should be on their way out of town with him.
by mcclanahanman on Oct 26, 2009 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
The point I'm trying to make... is that when I said football is a professinal business...
people said no way!!!! it’s not…. but now that one of the players that no one likes calls Haley out… suddenly we can’t have that kind of disrespect going on??? people can’t have it both ways…. I’m not going down this road again… I’m not giving a resume… I’m less about defending LJ and more about asking was he really wrong?
I have had bosses that do that to me.....
I chose to no longer work in those environments though. But I never bashed the companies or those bosses..til I was long gone. Did I mention BANK OF AMERICA IS THE WORST COMPANY AND BANK IN THE WORLD? LOL
by HeatherChiefsLvr on Oct 26, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions
but I didn't work for Capital One.....
What’s in your wallet? Oh yeah, I have one of those Capital One cards…hehe
by HeatherChiefsLvr on Oct 26, 2009 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Dont bench him...
I’d just hand the ball to him 30 times a game and try to kill him.. Then in the off season you can share with him that he will no longer be the number one RB because Jamaal Charles is better. Then I would leave him on my roster and Franchise tag his ass at the end of his contract. By then you can guarentee no one will want him.
"It's still real to me dammit!"
I can guarantee no one wants him NOW, let alone at the end of his contract
Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...
You know what I'm sick of??
Im sick of the announcer at the Chiefs game sounding like the announcer on SNL. 4 yard run by LARRRYYY JOOOOOHNSON… and a cartoon by ROOOBERT SCHMIGEL.
Cant we just say his name normal?
"It's still real to me dammit!"
So Todd Haley never played football....
I could be wrong, but I believe that Mike Leach, the coach of Texas Tech football also never played football and is pretty much respected throughout all college football as a “good” coach. Some even call him the “mad scientist” of college football for his offensive innovations. In theory, a quadraplegic could be a sprint coach. I don’t know yet if Coach Haley is any good at motivating players to get the best out of them (although that is his reputation), but I’m certainly not going to judge him as a football coach based upon whether he actually played the game. The Chief’s management apparently thinks highly of his football coaching skills or they wouldn’t have hired him!
Please....
Haley has a lot to prove as a head coach. He had a hand in picking these “22” guys from the street. I’ve had enough of giving him a free pass on all the losses. If he was half as smart as he is a control freak then we would have an OC, a Quarterback coach, and a real WR coach. Haley is the source of his own frustration. He’s probably an angry drunk too.
LJ is less than 100 yards from being the Chiefs all time rushing leader and he still feels the need to call out his head coach and risk losing that record. LJ is an emotional player and always will be.
Plenty of people love to hate the guy…so be it. But someone on this team needs to say something. I think it’s funny that it is LJ, the same guy that called out the previous regime for their “checkers” game planning. We all now dispise that former group of coaching. Wonder what we’ll all think of Haley in three years.
LJ may be less than 100YDs from the all-time franchise rushing mark statistically...
…But as far as I am concern. He will never hold it. At least 3500YDs of that was the result of a great offensive line. LJ and his numbers were the factor of a great offensive line. Peterson should have never used a pick on this baby. I am not saying Brayton would have been a great player, but at least he did not hurt his team’s chemistry like LJ did.
by ChiefsFan90s on Oct 26, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Well
I guess you can take all those yards back from Priest Holmes too..since he ran behind the same great offensive line. While you’re at it…take back all of Trent Green’s passing yards.
Vermeil once said LJ needed to take the diapers off...
Well guess what. I think LJ is no longer a baby, but a fetus. Actually, a fetus is probably more mature than LJ.
LJ can take his pre-fetus maturity and attitude out of town for good. To think. Pioli/Haley give him a chance to revive his career here, and he throws insults at the last person (Haley) that probably believe he had anything left in him. Hope Haley/Pioli do the right thing, and suspend him the rest of his contract without pay (If that is possible.). We might have to reduce our roster down to 52 for a year, or two, but we would only be playing 45 on gameday anyways. The guy is a bigger cancer than T.O., and best thing to do with cancer is not give it to someone, but try to get rid of it completely.
LJ Haters
Unite! Why don’t you all go over to his house tonight and protest in his front yard? Take the time to write him some personal letters asking him to leave town.
You all act like this is communist russia and people can’t have an opinion. Give me a break.
We have opinions too....
and we’re voicing them….about LJ
lol
Of course if he were playing like he was when he got the starting job way back when, then I’d still love him……but alas, he’s not.
by HeatherChiefsLvr on Oct 26, 2009 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions
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