Fan implosion has begun...

by WesternChief on Oct 25, 2009 11:22 PM CDT Comment 21 comments

Unfortunately, the Chiefs win last week engendered false hope among many fans. Somehow, we thought LJ was back, Bowe would become more consistent, the Defense had broken out of the 32nd in the league ranking and Matt Cassell would continue to play at a "Trent Green" level. While Todd Haley's bad call to go for it on 4th and 2 in the first quarter helped contribute to the avalanche that was 37-7, the reality is that as was the case versus the NY Giants and the Philadelphia Eagles -- the Chiefs just can't fall behind and win -- PERIOD.

LJ sure Haley only played golf in college but so what? Is that the excuse you want us to look at while you continue to go to the ground after first contact? Even last week after carrying the ball 25 times you couldn't even break 100 yards and your long run of the year is 17 yards. I'm thinking Shaun Alexander could do better than that. Face it folks, we won last week not on the back of Larry Johnson but on the foot of Ryan Succop. Our offense has been terrible all year and the only time we've been in games is because the defense has flashed at times (see Baltimore, Oakland, and Washington).

You can blame this all you want on the head coach, the General Manager, KC Wolf, et al. but the reality is players have to have some pride and make some plays. Today the D didn't generate a pass rush and a good QB (I really hate saying it about Mr. Cocky Rivers) will pick you apart. Also, when your offensive line averages giving up 4 sacks per game and your team is 4th in the league in penalties you don't win. Again, the Chiefs DO NOT have the talent to make mistakes and come close to winning. Last week against a bad Washington team, we barely won playing mistake-free football and containing a couple big plays against our defense. This week against a talented and slightly agitated (from their Monday night debacle vs Denver) Chargers team we imploded.

We can debate the whole "it's a process" statement until we are blue in the face but what do you want them to do now? Fire Haley and then what (that doesn't change the talent level)? If it makes you feel better to complain that the "arrogant" coach won't play our superstar linebacker from Texas (who by the way, 14 other teams passed on because they didn't think he was superstar material) then do it but just because he plays doesn't mean his last name will change to Thomas.

People make mistakes. The question is, "what are they doing to try and fix it?" I for one believe that Haley and Pioli are trying to correct what's wrong with this team. Correcting the talent level will take time and a little luck, for most fans this won't come soon enough.

The reality is both Haley and Pioli have been mentioning (ever since they arrived) how big a task this re-build is. My question to you is, "Did you listen when they said this and did you believe them?" or did you allow the hype of a new coach and GM to raise your hopes higher than reality? I believe the Chiefs will win again but it will take time.

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Arrowhead Pride's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Arrowhead Pride writers or editors.

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You don't get it

Its sad that so many fans are so blinded.
Chiefs fans are very smart Football fans so why did we get fooled into believing that a coach who has only called plays for ONE SEASON could be successful.
Fans are upset because this team shows no progress, no innovation and lets face it Todd is in way over his head…
Todd did not play football which I wouldn’t hold against him if he had coached it before but the man has never been a head coach on any level and was a “special assistant” before getting a WR coaching job then a OC job in which he didn’t call place one out of the two years he held the position.

When it comes time to firetodd.com I wonder if Egoli will have the balls to pull the trigger on his friend.

South Side D

by doriang03 on Oct 25, 2009 11:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I meant to add to your response

Predictions as of 06.24.2009.

Larry Johnson will be a top 3 fantasy pick once again in 2010 (after a monster season in 2009.)
Dwayne Bowe will be a 2009 Pro Bowl selection.
Brandon Flowers will have at least 6 INTs in 2009 season.
Todd Haley will have a sideline shouting match caught on TV yelling at one of his asst. coaches.

by 58 was my friend on Oct 25, 2009 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

It's a 50/50 now

A lot of fans are realistic about what’s happening but then there’s the other half that seem to be more than optimistic and constantly finding excuses for Haley’s coaching style and Pioli’s moves. The team wins a close one against the Redskins thats in turmoil of their own – all of a sudden Haley is praised. But when he sucks – those same fans find excuses to bail him out as if their lives depend on seeing Haley succeed.

Predictions as of 06.24.2009.

by 58 was my friend on Oct 25, 2009 11:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

+1

Predictions as of 06.24.2009.

by 58 was my friend on Oct 25, 2009 11:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

if nothing else this was a big

slap in the face, wake up KC game. And it hurt.

A man who says he can, and a man who says he can't are both right. Which one are you?

by Bashman on Oct 25, 2009 11:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I have to disagree, Western

Haley and Pioli are trying to correct what’s wrong with this team
no, they ARE what’s wrong with this team … at least a huge chunk of it

Correcting the talent level will take time and a little luck
it will take far more than that given that Haley and Pioli value talent less than … well, noone is really quite sure just what it is they value … they CALL it The Right 53 but not one person associated with the team has ever explained what it MEANS … but it does NOT mean “talent” and that’s been made abundantly clear

when your offensive line averages giving up 4 sacks per game and your team is 4th in the league in penalties you don’t win
absolutely correct, and I blame Pioli for doing nothing about the O-Line in the off-season or the draft, and I blame Haley for firing Gailey and screwing up the offense for the rest of the year

the “arrogant” coach won’t play our superstar linebacker from Texas
the arrogant coach is, however, very good at yelling at his players and demoting them for no apparant reason … sadly, he is NOT good at communicating what he wants his players to do or be

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and you think this GM/HC are worth defending? wow …

Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!

by upamtn on Oct 26, 2009 12:00 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

We have a superstar linebacker from Texas?

Did we trade for someone I don’t know about?

by NotAHippie on Oct 26, 2009 12:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'll bet Haley has a dartboard in his office and that's how decides who he will demote.

You’re right: Dwayne Bowe played a flawless game today and should never again have a coach criricize him about his play.

Toby is in HR, which technically means he works for corporate, so he's really not a part of our family. Also, he's divorced, so he's really not a part of his family.

by Rev. Slappy on Oct 26, 2009 12:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

People are all too willing

To give haley credit for bowe’s great game yesterday…. but no fault for his piss poor game today???? how about some consistency man…. Maybe yelling “what the fuck is your problem” isn’t helping d-bowe all that much….

D. johnson came out and said, I had a sit down conversation with haley and told him I wanted to play more, And he still doesn’t know why he isn’t playing or what he needs to do to get more time…… that’s some pretty piss poor communication skills.

by callmesir on Oct 26, 2009 1:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Slappy, what is questionable about Haley is

That his tactics do not seem to work.

Parcells could be an A-hole and had the ability to motivate guys to play better. It wasn’t a trick, it was a natural ability he had. I sincerely question whether Haley has that natural ability to motivate or if he is just copying the tactics Parcells used without having the key ingredient.

What improvment has Haley’s handling of Bowe (or anyone else for that matter) done to elevate his game?

Don’t give me that BS about some of the good plays Bowe has made. He was making fantastic catches long before anyone here had even heard of Todd Haley. Some people are giving Haley credit for every catch Bowe makes and thats just wrong.

Really, can you name anyone on this team that is playing signficantly better than they were last year or even at the beginning of the year just because of Todd Haley’s coaching? I can’t.

by ChiefDJ on Oct 26, 2009 7:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

What about Jared Page???

Here is a guy who has played GREAT vs San Diego in his short career and Haley inactivates him? WTF? Page has had career games against Philip Rivers and he doesn’t even get to play?

by Chiefsfan1970 on Oct 26, 2009 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

then it can ONLY mean he doesn't give us THE BEST CHANCE TO LOSE

sorry, keyboard has a few typos in it … I meant best chance to WIN, of course

Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!

by upamtn on Oct 26, 2009 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

The Big Picture

A lot of fans are getting narrow vision. Sure we are 1-6 and played the worst game we have played all year, but this team has one thing we didn’t have last year — potential. We have a GM who has won Super Bowls. That wasn’t here last year. We have a head coach who was tutored by legends — Dick Haley, Bill Parcells, etc. That wasn’t here last year. We have a true QBOTF in Matt Cassel. That wasn’t here last year.

It will take a few more Drafts and free agent classes before this team is even close to contending. But it is important to look at the bigger picture.

The fans that are calling for Haley and Pioli’s heads are the same fairweather fans who were calling for Vermeil’s head after his 1-7 start in KC and coining the name TrINT Green.

These fans are poor historians and obviously know very little about the game. They don’t know about Bill Walsh or Bill Parcells. They forgot that Bill Belichick was 5-11 his first year in Cleveland. Look where these guys are at now — all legendary coaches. All these coaches had some things in common: tireless work ethic, high football IQ, and a willingness to do whatever it takes to win. Todd Haley fits the bill. He will be a great coach in this league someday — I just hope the Chiefs stick with him long enough to reap the beneftis. Thankfully, Pioli is smart enough to realize this.

I predicted the Chiefs to go 5-11 this year due to our brutal schedule and the past history of first-year coaches. Realistically I expected 2 wins heading into the bye week — Oakland and Washington. Thus, I am not quite as disappointed as some of the others, but I am still not pleased with our effort against San Diego.

Remember, history has proven that immediate success for first-year coaches is no predictor of long-term success.

by Nick Britt on Oct 26, 2009 12:53 AM CDT reply actions 4 recs

it's not a matter of being a fair weather fan...

Many of us were able to recognize issues with Haley’s lack of experience, his demeanor, and his coaching style before we ever hit this kind of rock bottom.

I just think haley is in over his head…. I’m not calling for his head, if herm got three years, by god haley deserves three years… just don’t expect it to be any different….

We all know Belechick was not a very good coach in cleveland. We’ve also recognized that people from his coaching tree haven’t fared too well, and he didn’t really have great success until brady showed up….

This team wouldn’t have a whole lot of success with any coach… I would, however, like to be able to watch more than the 1st quarter of a game against a division rival without having to shut off the television, knowing there’s no hope…

by callmesir on Oct 26, 2009 1:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Its safe to say

What is going to happen now. We look worst than the Raiders now. LJ tweets how much our coaches suck. I like our coaching staff but I think some players not on board. How does Charles not block a guy on a punt. Should say something about our team!!!!

by chiefs316 on Oct 26, 2009 1:23 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Wow....

I agree with this post….but not the comments here…

I think I am in favor of some fans being excommunicated from Chiefdom for a year or two…When Todd Haley is a winning coach (here) they can come back and admit they were wrong…

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by woodman212 on Oct 26, 2009 2:18 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I think we'll be waiting longer than a year or two....

by callmesir on Oct 26, 2009 2:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree

At the end of the day players win games. This team has 2 guys that are NFL talent level ready on the O-line an I say 1 one the D-line. I do think our D-line will improve. They need better talent on the o-line not better coaching. An they need better production from nickle DB’s. I know its not “smart” according to Witlock, to go for the 4th an 1 in 1st quarter but what kinda team AT HOME AT ARROWHEAD CANT GET A YARD. its a mental game he is playing that he lost. if he’d had got it maybe the Chiefs go down an score. He is trying to get this team wins even if its small battles. They should be lining up saying Im better than that guy. He wants them to have the attitude or swager that the giants have or the saints. By the way they went for a 4th an goal on the 1 with 5 seconds left. what if they miss that? maybe they go home with a loss. Point PLAYERS LOST THIS GAME. Not coaching.

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by Jazzy Megalodon on Oct 26, 2009 3:19 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

The coaching was terrible

Execution was worse. Coaches are responsible for having a team prepared to execute. That is the coaches fault.

Predictions for 2009:

LJ runs for 1800 yards
Bowe in the pro bowl
Chiefs D finishes in the top 10 in points allowed
Chiefs 10-6

by bonesjackson on Oct 26, 2009 6:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree Bones...

I definitely disagree with the statement that no coach could come in here with this team and win. Granted, we are short on talent but, a GOOD coach would recognize how to put our team in better positions to succeed.

The debacle on the O-line is a great example. Why in the hell wasn’t Alleman put in at Center when Rudy went down? Wade Smith had been practicing at LT all week and Alleman is a Center by nature so that doesn’t make a damn bit of sense. And what about Ndukwe? It seems pretty clear to most of us here at AP that he should be our RG but, Haley doesn’t seem to want to put him there. It is PAINFULLY obvious that he is better than Mike Goff at that position besides the fact that he is younger and has some upside as well as a nasty streak which is always good from an O-lineman.

Same with the RBs as well. Charles looked WAAAAY better out there yesterday than LJ and so did Savage.

Haley just seems to make one bad decision after another and it is snowballing now after this embarrassing loss. If you need evidence to show that Haley is a worse coach than Edwards was, just watch last years games vs San Diego and then watch yesterdays game. It should tell you everything you need to know. There is no real change in the talent level from either team from then to now so, it is a VERY FAIR way to evaluate and guage the coaching.

by Chiefsfan1970 on Oct 26, 2009 9:01 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

EH...

I mean i see what your saying. But i just really think Haley is not the main problem with this team. Watching other teams they just have better players. it wouldnt have mattered who Haley put in because they are all waiver wire guys. they all suck. need to go out an get some real O-line guys.

Would ya like a free NANAA!

by Jazzy Megalodon on Oct 26, 2009 11:01 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs