Todd Haley is an idiot
by ChiefDJ on Oct 25, 2009 3:22 PM CDT
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The Chiefs didn't have much of a chance to win this game to begin with. They didn't need their Head Coach sabotaging them on top of that. Todd Haley chose to decide the winner of this game in the 1st quarter.
Going for it on 4th and 1 IN THE FIRST QUARTER on their own 40 yard line was absolutely asinine. There is a difference between being aggressive and making absolutely careless and idiotic decisions. The Chiefs are one of the worst rushing teams in the NFL. They can't make yardage on 1st, 2nd or 3rd downs, what made Haley think he could make it on 4th down? I'm all for giving your players a chance to build their confidence, but this was not the time or place.
He does not have the personnel to be making those kinds of moves. He needs to put his ego aside and admit that he does not have the players to do things like that. He needs to learn to work with what he's got.
Lets look at some other WTF moves Haley made.
- Niswanger gets hurt, so do they put in Alleman, a former 3rd round pick that the Chiefs traded needed draft picks for? Hell no. They move Wade Smith, who had practiced all week at Left Tackle back to Center and put Richardson, whose weakness is pass blocking (so naturally they put him at Left Tackle) in.
- Boy I'm sure glad they benched Maurice Leggett for being too aggressive on making plays and put Mike Richardson, who got torched all day long in instead. At least he was a former Patriot...
- I'm not a big Derrick Johnson fan, but the little he's in the game he is making plays. Its time for Haley to get over himself and see if DJ can make it happen over the course of an entire game.
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I agree
big time on DJ. He has hardly played this year, but he has made some big players when he is in there. Give the guy a chance!
Going for it on 4th and 1 was retarded…we haven’t been able to move the ball on offense for almost the entire season, so why take such a huge risk when we know the Chargers have a really good offense?
The offensive line…I don’t think it honestly matters who we play where, there just isn’t any talent on that line.
by 5280ChiefsFan on Oct 25, 2009 3:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You know...
It’s not THAT he’s losing, it’s HOW he’s losing. We’re half way through this season. We should’ve at LEAST seem SOME PROgression… instead all I’ve seen this season is REgression. From just the preseason to now, the Chiefs have consistently regressed. I’m not even comparing last season’s 2-14 team to this season’s. Last season, we were at least in the games after the 5th week.
Haley changes his mind on the “right 53” every EFFIN week. His decisions over the course of the last 8 or 9 months have been some of the WORST I’ve EVER seen by a head coach. I kept giving him the benefit of the doubt. But after he fired Gailey, I perked up. He needed to show he had more know-how than Gailey on offense for me to stand behind him just as the head coach, let alone HC AND OC…. AND QB Coach. His offense is absolutely horrid. His play calling is even worse than Herm’s.
I also don’t want to hear SHIT about the O-line not being good. They had their chance to protect LJ and Cassel but shit that away as well by making the WORST draft choice of the 2009 draft in the ineffective Tyson Jackson, then follwed that up by drafting the even MORE ineffective Alex Magee. I could understand perhaps drafting ONE DE in the third, but drafting back to back DEs who are HORRIBLE this season is inexcusable when your O-line is this bad… AS IS sitting on the most available money in the league. Being nearly 20 million UNDER the cap and 2 million UNDER the salary FLOOR is unfucking believable to me.
EVERY SINGLE draft pick other than Ryan Succup has been ridiculously bad this season. So bad that only Jackson, Magee and Washington remain on the active roster. All other are cut, practice squad or mysteriously on the IR. I don’t care if you’re a rookie or not. If you’re a STARTING DE in the NFL…. ESPECIALLY one taken #3 overall, you better be able to come up with more than 5 FUCKING tackles in 7 games!!!! Good lord!!! BUT BEFORE THAT, if you’re going to drop $60 MILLION on a “FRANCHISE QB,” you better KNOW your offensive line will protect him. If you think they will, then you better SURE as hell give him weapons to utilize, not take them away (see T. Gonzalez). But, if you DO decide to move forward WITHOUT protecting your big investment, you better KNOW your two guys that you DE’s you take are NEEDED, #1 AND will be able to COMBINE for more than 8 fucking tackles in 7 games.
This coach is a joke, the upper management is a joke, and this whole fucking team is a joke right now. I want Haley fired at the very least. His decisions alone deserve termination. If HE were one of his players, being judged by every step he took, he would’ve been cut before the preseason was over. In fact, he would’ve been cut as soon as he fired Chan Gailey.
Fuck this guy.
by texaschief on Oct 25, 2009 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions 8 recs
Please! Tell us how you REALLY feel!
I hate the way you always hide your feelings.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 25, 2009 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd turn this green myself if could
If I have to, I’ll create 2 new SB memberships.
Pretty much sums up my anger
Week 7 Prediction:
Kansas City Chiefs 77 - San Diego Chargers 2
by craig in calgary on Oct 25, 2009 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, it is hard to argue against the totality of it.
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by DThomasReigns on Oct 25, 2009 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really is hard to argue with Tx
Rec
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 25, 2009 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree with your time line on last year
We didn’t get into games until week 8. The Denver game was clearly a fluke last year, and other than that we were never close until week 8. We are more competitive this season than at the same point last year.
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by Big Chief on Oct 25, 2009 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree we weren't competitive last year until second half of season ... absolutely
… but I totally disagree that we’ve been competitive THIS year, except Washington and Oakland (playing down to level of competition) and Dallas (only because they did their best to give us the game on a number of occasions, especially early on)
Balt, Phil, G-Men were blowouts and not at all competitive … (Balt was a couple of fluke plays, we were NOT in that game)
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by upamtn on Oct 25, 2009 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Triple F this guy
Haley and his ego and inexperience at being the head guy has a lot to do with the team throwing in the towel – AGAINST freaking division foes…
The way I see it is how I’d call it
Haley is 0-2 against Oak and SD..AT HOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Predictions as of 06.24.2009.
Larry Johnson will be a top 3 fantasy pick once again in 2010 (after a monster season in 2009.)
Dwayne Bowe will be a 2009 Pro Bowl selection.
Brandon Flowers will have at least 6 INTs in 2009 season.
Todd Haley will have a sideline shouting match caught on TV yelling at one of his asst. coaches.
by 58 was my friend on Oct 25, 2009 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would like to see a fanpost with this great stuff in it.....
Yeah get fired up!!
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Oct 25, 2009 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ouch!
Richardson, the corner, was part of KC’s only winning effort this season. It’s clear now just how the opposition was that made him look good.
I was right about McGraw being a nice matchup against Tomlinson. Nice TFL. Unfortunately, if all you are is a spy on the RB and a blitzer, what do you do when you have to cover the HB outta the backfield? That’s right. Get burned.
Sad to say, Richards, the tackle, was KC’s best option at left tackle when Niswanger went down. Waters was his usual mediocre self, earning a holding penalty on one of LJ’s few nice runs.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 25, 2009 3:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
OL
seriously, Richardson did OK…
Keep him on the active roster as a backup “swing tackle”
Cut Goff
Start Albert, Waters, Alleman, Ndukwe, O’Callaghan for the rest of the year
with Richardson and Smith as the versatile backups
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Oct 25, 2009 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well apparently after trading for Alleman and Ndukwe
They discovered they both sucked. That was a great trade right there let me tell you.
by ChiefDJ on Oct 25, 2009 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
even if they are both backups it's a good trade for one 6th round pick
However, I am sure we’ll see more starts out of them….
which will make it a great trade
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Oct 25, 2009 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What good is a backup that you don't put in a game when there is an injury?
If they really thought these guys were good wouldn’t we be seeing them in the game?
They apparently have zero interest in Alleman at Center and Ndukwe at Guard since whenever there are injuries at those positions they do not play them there. They would rather move Smith who practiced all week at LT to Center than play Alleman at Guard and apparently are stuck on putting Ndukwe at RT as a backup.
So no, it was not a good trade.
by ChiefDJ on Oct 25, 2009 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see your point... but
Alleman did fill in when Goff was hurt, and I’m sure Ndukwe would have stepped in at RT…
I think they are solid players, just not being used enough, and not at the correct positions.
But, we’ll see how it plays out
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Oct 25, 2009 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm doubtful they can turn it around in a year.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 25, 2009 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is anyone besides me starting to question Albert's durability?
He went through this last year some too. He’s good, but proper depth at LT is a must. I was seriously disappointed with what went on out there at LT today.
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by Buck'O on Oct 25, 2009 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm back on the "Draft a tackle!" bandwagon.
Wonder how long it’ll last, this time.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 25, 2009 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Berry
then OT
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 25, 2009 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I could live with that.
I’d be draftin’ OL and bribin’ every FA OL available, otherwise.
Oh to have a balanced team and just take the best player available on draft day.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 25, 2009 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
seriously stag....my friend..
tell me is he ok by NFL standards or Chiefs standards?? Chiefs standards.
by krayfish on Oct 25, 2009 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought Smith did alright at center. I’ll admit I wasn’t watching him all that closely though, so I’ll listen to others that did.
by bh13 on Oct 25, 2009 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll admit my memory’s not the greatest, but I remember seeing Carr getting beat more than Richardson. That’s not to say Richardson had a good game because I honestly don’t remember seeing him much.
The only play I remember from Richardson was when he was pretty much standing still as his guy ran down the field. Not a good play.
by bh13 on Oct 25, 2009 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate to join the negative Nancy's, but this is just not a very good team.
I thought that one offseason, and they’d be a winning team by midseason, getting stronger down the stretch, but I’m joining the harsher critics and saying it’ll be at least another year before this roster is competitive, and that’s assuming the GM and HC get ‘most everything right, and I’m starting to think they haven’t got a whole lot right, so far.
Maybe you have to take a step backward in order to march forward. I just didn’t expect the step backward to stretch over a whole season. I expected a tough, smart, disciplined team that would be in ’most every game and steal a few whenever the ball bounced their way. But the talent deficit is HUGE.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 25, 2009 3:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
welcome to reality, my friend ... good to have you with us
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by upamtn on Oct 25, 2009 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can see Lance Long becoming a bright spot.
Nice quickness, tenacity, and hands. Now to see if he can get significant minutes without his aggressive style costing him the concussion!
Goal line D was OK against a team that hasn’t been able to punch it in against anybody else in the league…
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 25, 2009 3:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
agreed
2 positives from the game
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Oct 25, 2009 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too bad
he cant take a hit. Seriously, the guy gets knocked out on the first NFL hit he takes
Predictions for 2009:
LJ runs for 1800 yards
Bowe in the pro bowl
Chiefs D finishes in the top 10 in points allowed
Chiefs 10-6
by bonesjackson on Oct 25, 2009 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup. I said as much.
Now to see if he can get significant minutes without his aggressive style costing him the concussion!
That was a tough hit. Looked helmet-to-helmet, but was subtle enough not to draw the flag. I don’t think that was an indication of lack of toughness, but I’ll look at it, again.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 25, 2009 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
He took a really hard hit. Unfortunately it happened in his first game, but I don’t see him as being weak or injury prone.
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by Scaryclouds on Oct 25, 2009 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder who the HC would be if it wasn't for Arizona's Cinderella run last year?
…and really how much credit does one get for being the OC on a team with Warner throwing to Fitz/Boldin/Breaston?
Week 7 Prediction:
Kansas City Chiefs 77 - San Diego Chargers 2
by craig in calgary on Oct 25, 2009 3:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I've wondered that too
Nobody ever heard of Todd Haley until the playoffs last year.
by ChiefDJ on Oct 25, 2009 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And don't get me wrong, Im not saying Haley is not going to end up being a good head coach
But right now he isn’t. He is learning that the reality is much different than the philosophy he came in with and that it wasn’t the tricks Parcells used to motivate players that worked, but Parcells himself.
Haley has some good qualities that I think could eventually make him a good coach. Right now he is being humbled and learning things the hard way. I think you can say the same thing for Pioli as well.
by ChiefDJ on Oct 25, 2009 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
good post
rec’d
by Cassel is a west coast pretty boy on Oct 25, 2009 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also rec
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 25, 2009 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
He and Pioli are trying to figure this thing out at the same time. We’ve got a young team and a young leadership group. I let the win last week get my hopes up and think we were about to start a nice little run, but reality set in tonight. I just hope that we can take some steps forward somehow :/
I'm officially on the 'Draft Eric Berry' train.
by scottbwalters on Oct 25, 2009 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Leslie Frazor where art thou?
I would have prefered a D-minded coach, and hire an actual OC to work with the offense. Right now we have no OC, a terrible DC and a HC who has WAAAAY too much on his plate.
Week 7 Prediction:
Kansas City Chiefs 77 - San Diego Chargers 2
by craig in calgary on Oct 25, 2009 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
Pioli or Hunt should really step in and override Haley as the OC and force him to hire one and delegate all the play calling responsibilities…..or step down as HC.
Plain and simple.
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Oct 25, 2009 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with the former
… for now
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
by Buck'O on Oct 25, 2009 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why not? Chan Gailey got the axe
And his performance wasn’t as dismal.
by Pilcrow on Oct 25, 2009 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haley is too prideful to step down himself.
He took the job in the first place because of his pride. Pioli needs to snatch him by the collar and bring him down a few notches.
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Oct 25, 2009 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what happened to Haley's "accountability" - where he said eveeryone on the team including himself is held accountable
… or was that more Coach Speak aka B$
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Oct 25, 2009 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
In his head its exocution…his play calling his awesome they just are not doing it right…whatever
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Oct 25, 2009 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
execution? riiiiiiight
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Oct 25, 2009 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree. D-minded coach with a GOOD OC, and willing to give the OC the tools.
Like Dungy did in Indy.
KC’s a town that understands and appreciates great D and smashmouth O.
Now maybe Pioli didn’t want Monroe or one of the Smiths and wasn’t in great position for Oher. I dunno. But before dissin’ the coach TOtally on this, I’d have a few words with the scouting people and Pioli, himself. The state of the O-Line is unforgivable. Haley deserves some of the blame, though.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 25, 2009 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
O-Line issues
both Pioli and Haley deserve blame – a ton of blame
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Oct 25, 2009 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Titanic analogy
Who’s fault was the titanic?
The architect for building such a clusterfuck? (Pioli)
Or the driver for driving the clusterfuck into an iceburg knowing its limitations? (Haley)
Both are to blame, but I honestly believe it starts at the top.
Week 7 Prediction:
Kansas City Chiefs 77 - San Diego Chargers 2
by craig in calgary on Oct 25, 2009 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
You are going to need a new copy of Titanic soon :)
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 25, 2009 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the designer built a ship, the captain was ORDERED to drive it recklessly by THE OWNER
this is a slightly different thing …
maybe not by a lot, but it is different
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Oct 25, 2009 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+10
Predictions as of 06.24.2009.
Larry Johnson will be a top 3 fantasy pick once again in 2010 (after a monster season in 2009.)
Dwayne Bowe will be a 2009 Pro Bowl selection.
Brandon Flowers will have at least 6 INTs in 2009 season.
Todd Haley will have a sideline shouting match caught on TV yelling at one of his asst. coaches.
by 58 was my friend on Oct 25, 2009 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's called the Return of Herm and his trusty OC Gailey
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by Big Chief on Oct 25, 2009 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
... and I'd have no problem with that whatsoever ...
well, as long as he had a “sideline assistant” for gamedays
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Oct 25, 2009 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree on so many levels DJ
The play calling was again suicidal.
Not putting Alleman in at C just about put me over the edge, even more so by compounding the bad decision with moving Smith away from LT and playing him at C when he practiced all week at LT.
DJ should be in there every down with a coaches boot up his ass so he doesn’t get lazy and disappear. I thought Haley was supposed to be some kind of great motivator?!?!
I sure hope Pioli is “constantly evaluating” the coaching staff as well as the players. Haley likely gets another shot next year, but this staff and the moronic systems they’re running have to change.
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
by Buck'O on Oct 25, 2009 3:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I wrote a post about the qualifications of our staff and I got tore up about it…..
Everyone says time time time give him more time. If you lay a terd in the front yard and wait wait wait…..its gonna stink more and more……and I think Haley is a terd….lol
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Oct 25, 2009 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My only hope is that Pioli is as cold blooded as we think he is
I wonder about his talent evaluation skills with all of the Patriots cast-offs, but if there is an opportunity to land a top flight HC next year, I hope he has ice in his veins and goes for it.
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
by Buck'O on Oct 25, 2009 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope
He should have the interest of the team as number one priority…..nothing else. Not friendships not any bias. If something will help the team from the top to the bottom he better do it.
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Oct 25, 2009 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's a start
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
by Buck'O on Oct 25, 2009 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He doesn't have a secondary.
Regardless, you don’t reward him for the defense’s struggles, but I’d leaven my criticisms of him with knowledge of the lack of talent in the secondary, even as I regretfully handed him his pink slip.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 25, 2009 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the secondary is ok
they only appear bad because we’re blitzing too often. And the blitzes are seldom effective because our D line is inferior. Our D line is inferior because some genius thought we could transition from a 4-3 to a 3-4 in the space of a single draft, and without spending through the nose to acquire experienced talent. Which is another nail in the coffin of said Pendergast, the architect of KC’s very new and undermanned 3-4,
by Pilcrow on Oct 25, 2009 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The plan just had too many moving parts.
At least for this season. If they have a system in place for long-term, they still might be OK. But sure was poor short-term.
They have to blitz to get pressure. The secondary can’t hold up when they do. Give lack of pressure some of the blame. But the secondary can’t cover, either.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 25, 2009 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's the catch 22 of it though
The secondary covers a lot better in m2m when pressure is applied to the opposing QB, and that’s not happening often enough with this year’s chiefs. Most of our blitzes are telegraphed, then poorly executed. Which puts the secondary in a bad spot. You can’t expect the secondary to hold up for more than 5 seconds in a blitz situation.
by Pilcrow on Oct 25, 2009 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blitzing and failing to get to the QB = failure
If you’re committing that many players to putting on pressure, and then they fail to do it, you are going to see the big plays that the Chiefs have been hit by all year long.
by ChiefDJ on Oct 25, 2009 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So Stop blitzing
and try for low scoring closely held games.
When the Chargers got to 17 I knew it was over.
No way this team can score 20 without some help.
AND we will loose any shootouts.
Thank God we do not play Brady or Manning, or Brees this year.
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 25, 2009 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We need to blitz every play for at least one more game.
Just one more sack will tie our season total for last year. One. More. Sack! That’ll be a pyrrhic victory for the 2009 Chiefs defense, but still a victory.
by Pilcrow on Oct 25, 2009 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True enough.
I shudder every single time I hear a Chief say before the game ‘we need to focus on not giving up the big play.’ It’s a weekly event now. I anticipate hearing it. And every time I hear a Chief spout off about the importance of not making mistakes, I pop a beer open and strap on my seatbelt, because I know at that point we are doomed. It seems like the Chiefs are predestining themselves to make mistakes, writing their own prophecy.. A proper defensive mentality is ‘win the #$%ing game!’, not this ‘try not to make mistakes’ horsecrap. The more we focus on not making mistakes, the more mistakes we make.
by Pilcrow on Oct 25, 2009 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Catch-22 Off The Street?
sorry … I had to, just HAD to
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Oct 25, 2009 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, there is a sense of relief anyway.
We need next year!! Go tomorrow!!
by krayfish on Oct 25, 2009 4:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Haley's halfway to reaching his stated goal
If I remember correctly, he said something about being able to win 2 games with 22 players off the street.
by Pilcrow on Oct 25, 2009 4:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i hate to say this
but the way u guys pladed today u are a 2-3 win team cassel dont look compy in u system where the L J that i know and fear D Bowe is very good no o-line i like u d-line i think dorsey is miscast in a 3-4 no pass rush expect by hali vabel great locker room guy but no speed u cant tackale on D suckop is a great k but u have no speed
okay i have cereal palsy arhrtis and chronic fatiue as well i have a grea life loveing folks some days are better that other days i got a make a wish in 2001 saw my favorive team the broncos was the trip of the lifetime i wish everyone couild gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that ok but i bleed organ and bule
by j-man on Oct 25, 2009 4:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, J-man
Yeah, as a true fan of the red and gold, this year’s season is painful. In many ways, the sting is worse than last year’s two win season. I guess the one positive we can pull from it is that we will again have a high draft pick. Let’s hope we don’t blow it.
by Pilcrow on Oct 25, 2009 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
DJ, don't you KNOW? it's not about talent, it's about The Right 53
go read Kent Babb’s KC Star article from this morning … it’s why DJ was never told why he was benched, it’s why Pollard is gone and who knows who else … it is NOT about TALENT, period
maybe it’s about not saying $hit when you have a mouthful, but whatever makes a player The Right 53 … and still nobody can explain it or is willing to … ability and talent have nothing to do with it
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Oct 25, 2009 4:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Its like this....
When you are the Patriots, an established dynasty with a stocked team, you look for guys that will FIT your system….your right 53. When you are the Chiefs and you are suffering for some wins with 75% open positions, you look for TALENT that will SIGN a contract….not guys who will FIT the system….WE HAVE NO SYSTEM!!!
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Oct 25, 2009 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
apparant;y we're not doing it that way ... can ya tell? huh?? canya??? huh????
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Oct 25, 2009 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Naaa
CB Dante Hughes is now a FA….Drafted by the Colts in the 3rd round of the 2007 Draft. At California his senior season he had 72 tackles 8int and 19deflections…..oh wait….No Pats….No Cards….does he fit the system….well he is labled a shutdown corner…so probably not…..too bad.
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Oct 25, 2009 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if he was a "shutdown corner"
he woudln’t be a FA
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Oct 25, 2009 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
nevertheless, KC has little to lose in bringing him in for a look!
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 25, 2009 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are we sure they didn't?
We seem to have continuous tryouts and we don’t even hear about many of them until guys are signed.
Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read. - Groucho Marx
by Big Chief on Oct 25, 2009 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Correct again Matty...
There is no question about our offseason pitiful transactions. We don’t have the right 53. The right 53 for what?? For winning 1 to 2 games again? We don’t have a system for sure…we can’t even get the same 11 guys on offense and defense for one week.
It’s unforgiveable that we didn’t put an offensive line out there for the 09 season. One that could protect our QB and give us help at running back. WE have one receiver who’s got real talent and he’s a 50/50 chance receiver every time you throw to him.
Cassel flavored kool-aid will be half price this week. There are NO MORE EXCUSES!!
We are pathetic on every side of the ball. Our coaching has been absolutely atrocious!!
Haley can’t hide behind his offensive coach or QB coach, cause he IS both!!
I’ll say it again…..McDaniels has done a much better coaching job. He designs plays for Orton that match his talent level and the time he has to throw. We don’t do that. We are still trying to bust out AZ Cardinals type plays and they never even hatch, because Cassel can never find an open guy and now when he does he throws int’s.
HALEY better get his act together.
by krayfish on Oct 25, 2009 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Correct again Matty...
There is no question about our offseason pitiful transactions. We don’t have the right 53. The right 53 for what?? For winning 1 to 2 games again? We don’t have a system for sure…we can’t even get the same 11 guys on offense and defense for one week.
It’s unforgiveable that we didn’t put an offensive line out there for the 09 season. One that could protect our QB and give us help at running back. WE have one receiver who’s got real talent and he’s a 50/50 chance receiver every time you throw to him.
Cassel flavored kool-aid will be half price this week. There are NO MORE EXCUSES!!
We are pathetic on every side of the ball. Our coaching has been absolutely atrocious!!
Haley can’t hide behind his offensive coach or QB coach, cause he IS both!!
I’ll say it again…..McDaniels has done a much better coaching job. He designs plays for Orton that match his talent level and the time he has to throw. We don’t do that. We are still trying to bust out AZ Cardinals type plays and they never even hatch, because Cassel can never find an open guy and now when he does he throws int’s.
HALEY better get his act together.
by krayfish on Oct 25, 2009 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 25, 2009 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that a lot of the issues are the O-Line, and I've said since I got onto AP first week ...
Pioli’s an idiot for NOT addressing the O-Line first thing
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Oct 25, 2009 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cassel before O-Line left a bad taste in my mouth, too,
Maybe the big contract was just hazard pay?
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 25, 2009 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have no problem with them spending a pick and the money for Cassel
But then refusing to protect him with some decent linemen after we had several high draft picks ALREADY on the defensive line that were still developing was just inept.
You can’t tell me that Dorsey and Tyler couldn’t have done just a good of a job on the D-line as what they are doing this year with Jackson and Magee when he gets in the game. Meanwhile, some good Offensive Linemen could have been brought in with those picks to protect your QB investment.
That is criminal neglegence.
by ChiefDJ on Oct 25, 2009 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
Erykah Badu, I have accepted your proposal. So, Mrs. DTR, let's get to consummating...you are on notice.
"All praise Chiefus."
by DThomasReigns on Oct 25, 2009 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yup - Crawford and I and a lot of us have said that about the O-Line for weeks ... dumb moves
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Oct 25, 2009 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This Miami team is for real
They are making Drew Brees look like Matt Cassel.
Week 7 Prediction:
Kansas City Chiefs 77 - San Diego Chargers 2
by craig in calgary on Oct 25, 2009 4:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
just FYI update stuff ...
Pollard – 3 tackles, 1 Assist
JAllen – 2 tackles, 1 Pass Deflect
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Oct 25, 2009 4:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
and of course Key Fox - 3 Tackles, 1 Assist, 1 INT and 82 yd runback for TD)
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Oct 25, 2009 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup. *sigh*
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 25, 2009 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haley is in over his head.
Haley needs an offensive coordinator. A first time head coach needs to focus on being a head coach and not worrying about calling plays. There were 2 critical coaching errors I think Haley made that where a result of him being too busy looking at the play sheet rather than making head cioaching decisions.
The decision to go for it on 4th form his own end was stupid enough, but I really think Haley hade no idea how much yardage they actually needed for a first down. It was closer to 4th and 2 yards (which made the decision even worse) and then he calls a QB sneak that looked like it was designed to pick up 4th and inches. The play actually looked like it was executed pretty well, but the play call was designed to pick up a yard not 2 yards.
Also taking the timeout prior to the Succop miss at the end of the first half cost the Chiefs 3 points (and almost a touchdown). When there is a minute and a half left in the quarter you don’t call a timeout and stop the clock prior to kicking the field goal (or even if you try and convert it).
by saskwatch on Oct 25, 2009 4:52 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
you mean an
OC like Chan Galey. I think he’s available. I think they have him sorting out paper clips by size or something.
by choirboy on Oct 25, 2009 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he (Chan Galey)
was only calling bingo or something.
Maybe Kurt Warner turned off his Helmet mike when Haley was the OC at AZ.
by choirboy on Oct 25, 2009 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh my gawd
How much clearer do you guys want this painted?
Haley is doing what he knows – calling plays and being a coordinator – NO WAY IN HELL is he a head coach. to be a HC in the NFL, you gotta be able to bring the best out of your players each week – at practice as well as gameday. Haley on the other hand – threatens and torments his players and f*&^’s with the players dignity at practice and expect to SHOUT and cuss on the sideline hoping that it brings out the best in players…
Tip for Haley – you’re a head coach not a principal of a high school. These are all grown men – your continued attempt to threaten them week in week out will eventually make even the best players in the team TUNE you out. Ummmm..let me take that back..I think those players have already tuned out.
And the ones that cared enough spoked up and got shipped to another team or perhaps your partner Pioli-the-bully just cut their ass … waiver
Predictions as of 06.24.2009.
Larry Johnson will be a top 3 fantasy pick once again in 2010 (after a monster season in 2009.)
Dwayne Bowe will be a 2009 Pro Bowl selection.
Brandon Flowers will have at least 6 INTs in 2009 season.
Todd Haley will have a sideline shouting match caught on TV yelling at one of his asst. coaches.
by 58 was my friend on Oct 25, 2009 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
by the way...about that going for it on 4th
it’s not that going for it is a bad things…it’s about not calling a play that requires your o line to man up and push the d line back for a yard….
maybe it’s just me and I know Haley knows better (hmmm) but, the o line I’ve watched this year couldn’t push a wheelchair down a ramp in the snow.
why would you ever call a qb sneak?? we can’t push their line back and hope cassel can dig in and push for a yard. That’s just stupid. Sorry but that is.
by krayfish on Oct 25, 2009 5:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Kray
The ispirational stuff is wearing off….you are taking me over to the dark side with you. I cant take this anymore. I need something to be proud of. Something to cheer about and I dont. My tank is empty.
Pioli and Haley you miserable retards……get us some talent in here and start coaching them the right way. Make the system fit the players not find crappy players that may or may not fit the system.
Get em Kray…..!!!
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Oct 25, 2009 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hehehe ... welcome to OUR world, Matt ... REALITY
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Oct 25, 2009 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heh.
It’s still possible they aren’t total hosers at the helm, but certainly no reason, at this point, to think there’s going to be any dramatic improvement. At least another year away from competitiveness, probably more, because they’re weak at so many positions.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 25, 2009 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The last QB sneak by Cassel went for about 3 yards.
Maybe haley thought it was the one straight-ahead thing this offense could do. Someone else said it was a coaching blunder with regard to down and distance.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 25, 2009 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The play call on the going for it on 4th down is absolutely meaningless
It was a horrendous decision to go for it that early in the game on your own side of the field.
If they had been on the San Diego 40, I wouldn’t have liked it but could have lived with it. Giving the other team the ball on your own 40 is just ludicrous. He was asking to get blown out.
by ChiefDJ on Oct 25, 2009 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
bring back big al saunders!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
some coaches should stay oc’s!
by GoShooterGo on Oct 25, 2009 7:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Al has been a huge bust since leaving the Chiefs
I honestly don’t think Saunders is a very good coach.
Its the same situation as when Mike Martz was with Vermeil in St. Louis. Its pretty obvious Vermeil was the genius and Martz and Saunders ewre the flunkies.
by ChiefDJ on Oct 25, 2009 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've never seen such a reputedly loyal fanbase turn on a coach so quickly
It’s been, what, six games? Yeah, let’s fire the guy. No reason to stick with him; after all, he was handed a boatload of talent on a silver platter, and the Chiefs should be in the driver’s seat right now.
by burntorangehorn on Oct 25, 2009 7:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Six games and they are getting worse, not better
Thats the problem.
There is zero progress being made. Just the same lousy play game in and game out.
And I would suggest that there was more talent on this roster the day before Pioli was hired than there is today.
by ChiefDJ on Oct 25, 2009 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
yall people need too calm down who are freakin out..jeeze i just smoke some of my OJ cush and it makes the sunday feel better…but seriously people its been six games..there not gonna fix this in one off season..and pioli knows this by trying to stockpile draft picks
by kcchiefsfan56 on Oct 25, 2009 7:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It does not take multiple seasons to rebuild NFL franchises anymore
I ♥ Dick Vermeil
by craig in calgary on Oct 25, 2009 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cmon, that is worse craig
But, I was thinking if we were to bring in
Okung(OSU), Johnson(Ala), O’Dowd(USC), Nduckwe, Albert.
Are we going to fix it in one year?
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 25, 2009 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They obviously have no desire to play Ndukwe at Guard
Or we would have seen him there by now. They are stuck on playing him as a RT for some reason.
by ChiefDJ on Oct 25, 2009 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was wondering if Alleman and Nduckwe WAS a conditional pick
that would explain some as to why!
they are not being started or played much.
Might eat up the Tank pick or our 4th with more games of action between them.
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 25, 2009 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know something
The more I see this kind of poor preparation, execution, game-planning, play-calling, loss of heart, etc. etc… The more I’m thinking Haley is no safer after this season than any of the players on this roster. With top flight Head Coaching prospects out there making themselves available for next year like Cowher, Schottenheimer, Shannahan and Holmgren, the more I’m starting to believe that the Chiefs may move on quickly from this gathering disaster that is Todd Haley.
Clark Hunt wanted to emulate the Steelers. Scott Pioli wants to emulate the Patriots. We are clearly not moving in the right direction. We are acting like this is pre-season almost half way through the year and with LJ’s twitter today, It’s clear that the first signs of the coach losing his team have begun to show publicly.
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
by Buck'O on Oct 25, 2009 8:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
There is almost no chance that Pioli brings in a big name head coach
The reason he left New England was to get more control and make a name for himself.
Any of those coaches you name are going to want say over personnel matters and I just don’t see Pioli being willing to do that.
by ChiefDJ on Oct 25, 2009 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Might be trial by fire
Now what if Pioli masterminded a “We Are Going to Suck” this year?
That does suck:(
But, He finds out about the entire group (players and coaches)
Then picks through the pieces left fire-proofed after this season.
Just my own thought, My Ass is flame-proofed and I will be here when he is done.
for what that is worth
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 25, 2009 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he purposely engineered this seson he should be fired immediately
I think he is still picking players based on what the Patriots needed. We are a long ways away from that.
He needs to learn to pick players based on what the KC Chiefs need. I don’t give a crap about the Patriots.
by ChiefDJ on Oct 25, 2009 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still contend they never even cared about competing this year - and it looks even more obvious now
we pick up guys who’ve been out of the league for 2 yrs and no action in 6 yrs like KSmith … we play (at times) guys who, by all rights, are 2nd and 3rd stringers … often starting them because … well … because we’re EVALUATING
that’s THE PROCESS … that’s the GRAND PLAN for the year … and any player who questions any part of it, any player who wants to actually WIN more than play their game … well, obviously that player ISN’T one of The Right 53
like Kent Babb said in his KC Star article this morning: talent is trumped by being The Right player … only thing is, nobody knows what The Right thing is … DJ has no clue, nor does Cassel, or Vrabel or … my guess is Haley doesn’t have a clue either …
Todd? oh Todd … tell us, please!
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Oct 25, 2009 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeppers!
Don’t know about the big name coaches but Haley’s days may very well be numbered here.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Oct 25, 2009 8:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope!
He is doing nothing to build off of….nothing. He is not motivating players he is making them rebel against him. When you are 1-6 you dont need a non-proven caveman screaming and cursing at you……they are grown adults not some kids in boot camp. Haley has never played the game so he doesnt understand anything they are going through. He doesnt know anything. All he knows is X’s and O’s…..thats OC stuff not Head Coach material. Basically he is an OC pretending to lead a team.
He needs to go golf and leave our team alone…..I think we would have been better off with Herm Edwards……and I am not joking. Not that Herm was good…..Todd is just that much of an idiot!!!
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Oct 25, 2009 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what's funny is ...
I’ve been saying for weeks that Haley’s been screwing up the team with his “boot camp” mentality and yelling etc … said it when I first got on, and of course got summarily blasted for it by a lot of people
like kray said earlier: welcome home, Matt
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Oct 25, 2009 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does anybody question Pioli?
I mean…If all of us agree that Ndukwe is better than Goff and Alleman is probably better than Niswanger, why don’t switch them? Why is he allowing Todd Haley to take over OC, HC, AND QB coach? I just don’t get it. Why did they have a horrible draft when Pioli was supposidly a “draft master”? Alot of questions that just probably will never be answered.
by Wrestler189s on Oct 25, 2009 10:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Its all part of the Hoodie's masterplan
He was afraid of Herm’s Chiefs and in order to keep them down, he shipped Pioli to sabotage the Chiefs along with a career backup QB and an old Linebacker. Pioli is such a great evaluator of talent and team builder that he decided to take every decision he would normally do, and do the exact opposite.
I ♥ Dick Vermeil
by craig in calgary on Oct 25, 2009 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How the hell does anyone know that Ndukwe and Alleman are better than Niswanger and Goff?
Seriously, nobody here has seen Ndukwe play Guard and nobody here has seen Alleman play Center.
Saying that either one of those guys would be better than the guys that are currently there (as bad as they are) is pure “Grass is always greener” talk because there is no way you can possibly know.
by ChiefDJ on Oct 25, 2009 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well anything is better than niswager for one...
and Ndukwe played G in Miami and did a hell of a job. Better than Goff is doing right now.
by Wrestler189s on Oct 25, 2009 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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