Chiefs Work Out Former Patriots Tight End
by Chris Thorman on Oct 23, 2009 6:36 PM CDT
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And we have another New England Patriot in the house. Via the National Football Post:
The New England Patriots' pipeline to Kansas City didn't pan out for wide receiver Joey Galloway, but it did lead to a tryout late this week for former Patriots tight end Michael Matthews.
Cut by the Patriots this week after being acquired for a conditional 2011 draft pick from the New York Giants, Matthews is hoping to catch on In Kansas City.
Matthews signed with the Giants as an undrafted free agent in 2007 out of Georgia Tech, playing in the Super Bowl as a reserve.
Former KC offensive coordinator Chan Gailey coached Matthews at Georgia Tech, which is another quasi-connection to this team.
The important part about this workout is that Matthews is a blocking tight end, for all intents and purposes. Current Kansas City Chief Sean Ryan has given up five sacks this season blocking for the Chiefs. The next highest sack total given up by a tight end is two.
So, are the Chiefs looking to dump Ryan for Matthews? Possibly. Ryan has been fairly good catching the ball this season and with a team nearly devoid of receiving threats, that could keep Ryan on the 53-man roster.
More than likely though, one of the Chiefs other tight ends would be let go. TE Jake O'Connell has played in only one game this season, so he could be a candidate to be let go. I believe TE Brad Cottam is safe based on a word I hate - upside.
Thoughts on the Chiefs working out Michael Matthews?
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Revisit, Dunn and Cash!
pre Tony, what most teams have at TE
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 23, 2009 6:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I just cannot believe
There are no other players out there that are worth looking at than guys who were on the Patriots.
Seriously, some of these guys were only there a couple weeks and yet they get brought in.
Blowing my mind.
by ChiefDJ on Oct 23, 2009 6:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Few teams ex players I’d rather work out. If it works than why not? So far I think it’s done pretty good for most part. Ocal has been pretty good at RT, Matt C has been decent nothing insanely special but not losing games for us either, Vrebal has been good leader despite his ability starting to deminish. Richardson looked pretty good from what I’ve read in last weeks game. Must also say that there are some non ex pats who Pioli has brought in also, so lets not say oh thats all hes trying. Wade, Engram, Ndukwe, Alleman, Brown, Pope off the top of my head. Yes I’m sure hes somewhat sticking to players who people hes close to have had on there team. Because if they had them on there pretty good teams than it’s more than likely an upgrade to our pretty crappy team which is starting to slowly look better. And easy to ask Bill B, Haley, Bill P stuff about those guys.
by karkz86 on Oct 23, 2009 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Everyone Knows
That there are no good players out there except ex-Patriots players. None. All other teams’ ex-players suck in comparison. Hell, all of their starters suck in comparison to ex-Patriot players too. If the Chiefs were to sign every ex-Patriot, they’d win every Super Bowl for the next five years, plus the ones from 2007 and 2008…ex-Patriots are that good.
Seriously, I’m starting to think that Pioli really doesn’t have a clue who else is out there. Talk about tunnel vision.
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Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Oct 23, 2009 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
now, now ... let's not judge TOO harshly! after all, they brought in those two from the Parcells Dolphins, and Leonard Pope from the Haleyzona Cardinals
I think it’s called taking the path of least resistance …
“hey, Bill, who’d ya cut?”
“coupla WRs and a TE”
“awesome! send ’em over for a workout”
“they suck, Scott, why you think we cut these guys?”
“yeah, but YOU had them”
“right, they’re on the way”
“thanks, Bill, you Da Man!”
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Oct 23, 2009 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's definitely a pattern, UC.
But in this shitstorm 1-6 start, there isn’t a whole lot from which to choose, and they’re bringing in guys they know the most about and who know the most about them. Maybe it’s not so much what they can do as what the org can be certain they will not do, like come in and start actin’ like a rock star.
Heh.
Wherever he comes from, at least we’re finally bringin’ in a BLOCKER. So far I’ve heard a lot of “mauler” talk and seen a lot of attempted finesse. Added smashmouth linemen and then played finesse. Just didn’t make sense to me. I thought they’d be based on an in-your-face, show run, and get the most out of the play fake, with a dead-ahead style of play. Hell, run 2 tights all day long, far as I’m concerned.
3rd ‘n’ long, go empty backfield, 2 TEs and 3 WRs. Just go jumbo for awhile. That’s the direct approach to lack of stout – no amount of finesse can substitute for that, imo.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 24, 2009 2:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
even though its so expected and repetitive...
it’s better than picking up scraps that can’t make sorry teams like the Raiders, etc
by worc on Oct 23, 2009 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe Lions and Browns, Rams thats the ticket
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 23, 2009 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It does make you wonder sometimes DJ :)
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.
by Lanier63 on Oct 23, 2009 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't mind Patriot guys--but there are other teams,
I wouldn’t mind a Steeler or Giant castoff or three
by FrankPitts on Oct 24, 2009 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It makes complete sense
All the Chiefs try out is former Patriots and useless Tight ends.
Why not try out a useless ex-Patriot tight end?
2 birds. One stone.
Week 7 Prediction:
Kansas City Chiefs 77 - San Diego Chargers 2
by craig in calgary on Oct 23, 2009 6:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If this dude can block, I say sign his ass up.
My God we need a blocking TE so bad it makes my brain hurt. I don’t care if he can’t catch the damn ball as long as he can keep Cassel on his feet.
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
by Buck'O on Oct 23, 2009 6:55 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
I'm with you Buck'O
I think having a blocking TE would be one of the biggest helps this team could find at this point of the season.
Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read. - Groucho Marx
by Big Chief on Oct 23, 2009 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
absolutely!!!
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Oct 23, 2009 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who cares where they come from?
Patriots, or where ever. If the guy brings any special ability over what we have, I really don’t care. I don’t mind them working out every free agent out there. The most likely issue is that the coaches do talk to some degree about what was seen in a player, so if there are positives, try the guy out.
Also, with Pioli and Haley, they know what they had in certain players while with their old teams, so they have a clue as to the talent level of who they have already brought in. It does seem to be working.
by TXChiefan on Oct 23, 2009 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Don't Care Where They Come From
And bringing in a few ex-Pats is not a bad thing at all. But so far that seems to be the only place Pioli is really looking. And the Patriots simply don’t have that many hidden gems lurking in their castoffs…no team does. That’s why good GMs scout every team’s castoffs for something someone else missed.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Oct 23, 2009 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's like smelling your own farts
At least you may know why your shit smells a certain way….and why sniff everyone else’s Let’s face it…almost any player available now is kind of shitty…
Chiefs go 9-7. LJ makes 1400 yards. DBowe makes 1200 yards. Defense #18.
by Zodeman on Oct 24, 2009 5:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another nice one.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 24, 2009 2:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why do you think cottam is safe?
He’s done next to nothing since he’s been here, and oconnel was a result of a trade for a pic right?
by Cassel is a west coast pretty boy on Oct 23, 2009 6:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Receiving ability?
As much as I hate this word – upside?
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by Chris Thorman on Oct 23, 2009 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Pioli has made it clear
He doesn’t give a crap about the former regimes players. I have no doubt 3rd round pick Cottam will be cut before 7th round pick O’Connell just because O’Connel was Piolis pick.
by ChiefDJ on Oct 23, 2009 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats such bullshit
If O’Connel > Cottam, than Cottam has to go…Not because he wasn’t a “Pioli guy”. I might dislike the term “Pioli guy” more than “The Right 53”
Week 7 Prediction:
Kansas City Chiefs 77 - San Diego Chargers 2
by craig in calgary on Oct 23, 2009 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Don't Think Cottam's Anything Special
He’s done nothing to make me sad if the Chiefs get rid of him. But I don’t believe that there’s only three teams in the league who are viable sources for replacements…and that’s all Pioli appears to be looking at.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Oct 23, 2009 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats the thing
I haven’t seen ANYTHING out of O’Connell to indicate he should be anywhere but the practice squad.
Cottam was in Haleys doghouse from the beginning and apparently he’s not getting out of it anytime soon.
We all know that Haley is more concerned how his players practice Tuesday – Friday than how they play on Sunday.
by ChiefDJ on Oct 23, 2009 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But Of Course
Players must first and foremost be unquestionably obedient to the Great Leader’scoach’s every whim. He must follow every order to the letter, no matter how illogical and anyone insolent enough to dissent like that ingrate Pollard must be immediately exiled to thegulag Houston Texans to single-handedly turn around their run defense serve as an example to other malcontents.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Oct 23, 2009 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
how DARE you question The Process!
it’s THE PROCESS and THE PROCESS is getting our beloved Chiefs THE RIGHT 53 (that were cur from the Patriots) and THE PROCESS will ensure that Haley has players that will give us THE BEST CHANCE TO WIN (like Goff and Brown and Leggett) and we CONTINUE TO WORK HARD TO IMPROVE (except the second half of certain games) and it’s THE PROCESS and don’t you DARE question THE PROCESS and Big Brother Is Watching
Signed,
G Orwell
Oct, 1984
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Oct 23, 2009 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
And +1 more for signing it Orwell. :)
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Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Oct 23, 2009 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
To be fair, Leggett didn’t play much if at all against Washington. He was replaced by Mike Richardson, who I thought played pretty well. You know, one of those ex-Patriots we don’t want.
Yes, I know that’s an exaggeration and I do get the concern somewhat but it’s not like there’s much available at this time of year anyway. Why not sign guys you have some history with?
If he’s still only signing those teams players next year, then I’ll start being concerned.
by bh13 on Oct 23, 2009 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly...
man, people r whiny…i was wondering how quickly after the win the whiners would come out. it was quicker than i thought actually. its like people just have this need to complain whether there is a reason to or not.
this is a move that should be applauded. fact…we currently have no tight ends who can actually block. fact…our running game is awful because we cannot block. hey, maybe we should take a look at someone who has a reputation as a good blocker?
hmm…the guy came from the giants and the patriots…i seem to remember those teams in the super bowl not too long ago. something tells me those r two pretty good teams. and we went 2-14 last year. could it be the good teams castoffs r better than even our starters? sadly, its quite possible.
now if its possible, shouldnt we maybe take a look at those players? im not saying that this guy is great or that he will even get signed but it tells me that pioli knows there is a hole with our tight ends blocking and he is trying to fix it. that makes me hopeful that they at least can identify problem areas and r trying to fix them.
have some hope…we dont have to complain about everything.
by MountainManMike on Oct 24, 2009 1:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Regardless of what
happens, some will. You know the old adage about the new rope? There are several of those customers that frequent here looking for anything they can complain about!
by ttownmikey on Oct 24, 2009 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not complaining about everything
It’s a legitimate concern that our new GM has tunnel vision. That he’s afraid to make a move unless Bellichick or Parcells has made it first.
Why isn’t he looking at players from other good teams? Why no Steelers or Colts or really players from any other team that haven’t spent at least a week on the Patriots roster?
by ChiefDJ on Oct 24, 2009 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Legget has shown far more potential in 4 games
Than Richardson has in 1. So lets not start kissing his feet just yet.
by ChiefDJ on Oct 24, 2009 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who’s kissing his feet? I just said I thought he had a pretty good game. Time will tell if he can keep it up.
by bh13 on Oct 24, 2009 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
UC - The only thing wrong with your comments is your failure to use the sarcasm font.
Heh. It’s so well done, no need to embroider on what you’re doing. Your shit’s drippin’ with sarcasm, and I like it.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 24, 2009 2:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was
definitely surprised when you said you felt Cottam was safe too, Chris.
by KCMizzou on Oct 23, 2009 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good for a little debate I guess :)
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by Chris Thorman on Oct 23, 2009 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was on the debate team!!!!
……………… no I wasn’t.
by KCMizzou on Oct 23, 2009 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Cottam is safe too. I have no idea why O'Connel is still even on the team
He is PS material.
by Wrestler189s on Oct 24, 2009 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We have worked out about anyone available
thus our backup NT.
We seem to know everyone we checked out and then we sign someone we didn’t even know was on the radar.
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 23, 2009 7:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Our backup NT
Who was on the Patriots for a brief amount of time and hasn’t played in about 4 years…
by ChiefDJ on Oct 23, 2009 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
6 years - he hasn't played in 6 years
including 2 years when he was retired aand out of football … but hey, he’s got STRONG HANDS and damn near CRUSHED Haley’s pinky finger, so there ya go … sounds like NFL quality NT to me!
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Oct 23, 2009 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pioli had Kenny Smith do a secret training regimen for 6 years...
so he can come back to achieve Super Saiyan on the field…it’s pretty obvious.
by worc on Oct 23, 2009 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup
Seriously…what the fuck? That’s the best Pioli can come up with? A NT who’s been out of football?
If they’re that hard up, Ed Johnson just got cut by the Colts. Oh wait, but he’s never played for Belichick so he’s not part of “the right 53”. Also, he’s actually talented.
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Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Oct 23, 2009 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
While it does seem strange to sign a guy that’s been out that long, they worked out four DT’s and signed two of them. He must have shown something or I doubt he’d be here, ex-Patriot or not.
by bh13 on Oct 23, 2009 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bobby wade isn’t someone who came from either bill or in zona and wow he has been a total wash up. Did we not work out that rt who ended up resigning with gb? At work so drawing a blank on some names and the former eagles rt big names who are washed up in your mind or not can’t keep adding conditions to it. I would like to see him check out some other teams scraps also but not gonna cry that in his first year he and haley have a better group collectively who are in much better shape
by karkz86 on Oct 23, 2009 10:16 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
You Mean The Guy Getting 10 Yards Per Reception?
Who’s had only one game for the Chiefs where he got over 50 yards?
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Oct 23, 2009 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll give you it Joel despite it being only for Wades rookie year and despite the fact that he’s still not an ex card,pat or someone from Parcells which was the thing people were saying.
by karkz86 on Oct 25, 2009 12:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We had a couple of days to find a NT who can step in NOW
We were able to get a 5th round pick for our backup NT, so we took it. That’s a great deal for the future, Tyler couldn’t beat out Ron Edwards, even though he was basically handed the job in preseason, and that pick will be a lot more helpful to this organization going forward.
But it meant that we need a backup NT for the game this week. So we worked out a few and signed a vet who knows similar systems, and hoped that for his hopefully limited snaps for this one game, he would be where he’s supposed to be and not get in the way of the other players. We needed someone with the right experience to play backup NT for this week and basically not fuck up the other players. We have a bye next week. That gives Favorite time to practice with the team, learn the system, and show that he’s better than old injured Smith.
If Favorite isn’t ready to do even that, then he’ll stay on the practice squad.
This all seems reasonable to me, but I’m sure it’s a horrible crime by Pioli, You guys just need to show some actual evidence of that and I’ll be with you. Or if Smith gets hurt on his first play and can’t even finish this one game, then bringing him in was a fail. But basically, he’s here to play this one game and beyond that show us that he’s healthy enough to be useful for a few more games. After this game, if he can’t beat out the undrafted rookie that couldn’t make Carolina, Marlon Favorite, then he’ll be cut.
Either way, we’re talking about the backup NT for a team that isn’t going to the playoffs this year. Sure it’d be nice to pick up someone with upside for the future, but that’s Favorite’s role. He was the best of the NTs we worked out in terms of future potential. But if he can’t even beat out a stiff placeholder like Smith, then that means that the best of the guys we worked out was useless. Oh well, not a surprise, and we move on.
by Offense of the 70s on Oct 23, 2009 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
+1
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 23, 2009 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heh.
I think they’re really liking the 3-man front they have with Ron Edwards, and there are other guys that can bring pretty much as much or more consistency to the 4-3 under ideas they need when Edwards is ridin’ the pine. I suspect they don’t need Tyler to play (essentially) 4-3 DT, anymore, and letting him go lets them start bringing in a string of NT prospects.
What I pick up on, here, is not so much who the NT prospects are as the fact that the Tank Tyler NT experiment failed. NT might be one area where all the running and weight control measures aren’t ideal. I think Tyler has the foundation to support gettin’ huge and dominating a small area all by himself. I kinda thought the trim-down was counter-productive. I wanted to see Tank play like a NT, and all I saw was him becoming a better and better 4-3 DT. Go ahead and let him balloon up a little, and devote more of his conditioning time to the weight room maxin’ out his 50-to-100 reps. And mainly have him stay at home and dominate – even discourage down-the-line pursuit, to some extent. Just cut the field in half, with an eye to helping his teammates pursue laterally.
If Gilbert Brown stays at home, maybe the Packers BEAT the Broncos in the SB.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 24, 2009 3:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You go with the ones you know. Haley mentioned the other day that there are
certain people that he really trusts and the pickin’s are slim so you at least try out someone that you know something about or that at least get some sort of recommendations.
by jcox31mc on Oct 23, 2009 7:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Great news!
Bring in Gaines too unless he has signed.
We NEED a blocking TE bad that would help our running and passing game.
I go with Ryan, Pope, and Matthews. That is a solid not great.
Add 2 more OL in the first 3 rounds and a playmaking WR and we have a legit offense in 2010.
by onthereg on Oct 23, 2009 7:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd take a sure-thing S or CB in the 1st, if the talent's there.
I can see going OL and WR in the 2nd. WalterFootball has KC spending the 37th pick on NT, with these words:
Terrence Cody, NT, Alabama
Nose tackles don’t grow on trees, and no one knows that better than the Chiefs. Scott Pioli will draft his “Vince Wilfork.”
I think it entirely possible that Pioli will try to land the real Wilfork. IIRC, a number of scenarios were painted involving Wilfork-to-KC last offseason during the doldrums here on AP. Wilfork’s contract is gonna be up, and the Patsies drafted Ron Brace this year. Should have the cap room to make at least ONE big, high-probability move in FA, something early and fairly big for the Cassel-equivalent player, for instance, Wilfork for the Chiefs’ later-2nd-rounder or early 3rd-rounder. Gives Belichick an even stronger grip on the 2nd round (and vicinity), and lands the Chiefs a great NT, who can start right away, and likely for the next few years.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 24, 2009 4:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not Ryan
The guy gave up 5 sacks, I say he’s the one to go. The blocking needs to be fixed. Surely one of those guys can catch a few passes. Especially Pope.
by route 66 on Oct 23, 2009 7:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I can see runnin' more double TEs, with Ryan to the side with the lesser outside pass rusher.
Ryan can make some scrappy catches. He can definitely catch the ball and cause some problems for LBs – looks good enough to demand S help, if KC can solve their protection problems without him. Adding a true blocking TE might tip the scales. I’m looking forward to seeing it, considering how wonderfully the other stuff they've tried has worked.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 24, 2009 3:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That didn't work very well.
Ryan can make some scrappy catches. He can definitely catch the ball and cause some problems for LBs – looks good enough to demand S help, if KC can solve their protection problems without him. Adding a true blocking TE might tip the scales. I’m looking forward to seeing it,
considering how wonderfully the other stuff they've tried has worked.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 24, 2009 3:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder how many were given up trying to help Wade Smith???
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 24, 2009 4:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seemed to me that KC’s protections showed some progress with the extra tight helping on the left side, even with the lesser tackle.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 24, 2009 4:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good
I’ve been saying they should sign him since he was cut. He was the Giants blocking TE the last couple seasons before NE traded for him in the off season. Sign him today!
It's a good thing Pioli and Haley aren't running AP or a lot of you guys would of been traded or cut for cast offs from the Pats Pulpit.
by KCporkchop on Oct 23, 2009 8:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah, I think it makes sense
Ryan stays, O’Connell to the PS…??
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Oct 23, 2009 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sick of this.
We work out every friggin’ guy that gets cut from the patriots. There are other good teams out there too that have players that would probably be an upgrade on our backups, but we only go after patriots. or cardinals. friggin cardinals? they aren’t even good! If you’re gonna work out every single patriot that is cut, then at least work out steelers that are cut or SOMETHING. jeez.
by Vince D on Oct 23, 2009 9:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Where are all the players the Steelers cut?
They’re a good team. How bout the Colts? The Giants?
How come we’re not seeing any of their castoffs?
by ChiefDJ on Oct 23, 2009 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you miss
the post about him being traded from the Giantsto NE in the offseason.
So if it makes you feel better, consider him a Giants castoff instead.
The Kansas City Chief's 2009 record will be 5-11.
by Druful on Oct 24, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It doesn't make me feel better because he was on the Patriots
The argument is that Pioli is afraid to bring in players that Bellichick didn’t have some interest in.
I want to see Pioli going after players from other teams that didn’t spend time in New England. The fact he was on the Giants means nothing to me because he went to the Pats first and hence, had Bellichicks stamp of interest on him that Pioli seems obssessed with.
by ChiefDJ on Oct 24, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
every single coach or gm likes to bring in there guys and it has always been that way
why is it such a big deal now with the chiefs. i didnt see people doing this much complaining when carl did it with every coach or vermiel brought in his guys or herm brought in his guys.
mathews is a BLOCKING te something last time i checked we dont have the slightest iota of so if the chiefs didnt work him out there not doing there job because no matter where he came from it upgrades us
by Bleedzredngold on Oct 23, 2009 9:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Only thing that bugs me is how long it took to GET a blocking TE, which I thought was something KC needed more than Tony G!
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 24, 2009 3:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chill out people
Matthews wasn’t even with NE when Pioli was there. He might be the best blocking TE on the market. You guys are so caught up in Pioli and NE bashing that you’re not even thinking about the fact that this guy could make us better.
It's a good thing Pioli and Haley aren't running AP or a lot of you guys would of been traded or cut for cast offs from the Pats Pulpit.
by KCporkchop on Oct 23, 2009 9:40 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
+1
I say get over the “where they came from” debate. The issue is the player and his abilities.
by TXChiefan on Oct 23, 2009 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least they are digging thru the garbage
of a decent team. Would people rather they try some rams, browns, etc. type castoffs?
All losses in the 2009 season will be Herm and Carls fault.
by Idahochief on Oct 23, 2009 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes
I would rather they were going through the castoffs of more than three other teams…even if that includes the castoffs of bad teams. The Rams whiff on player evaluations all the time. So do the Browns. It is possible that a decent player slips through. Or that the Browns or Rams cut a player who didn’t fit into their system but who may be a better fit for the Chiefs.
All I see is Pioli going through the scraps of his father-in-law, his former boss and his coach’s former employer. And frankly, that’s probably a losing strategy because most of those guys run systems similar to what the Chiefs run and Parcells and Belichick aren’t known for letting good prospects slip through their fingers with any frequency. And they’re certainly not going to do so to do Pioli any favors.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Oct 23, 2009 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How much evaluation can you do at this time of year?
You bring somebody in for a few hours, have them do a few drills, chat with them to see where their head is at. It is a job interview. They are going to try to put their best foot forward. Can you really learn enough from that encounter to justify giving one of the other 53 players spot away? Getting info from trusted sources on players is probably smarter than going off first impressions. The off season is the time to get to know new players.
All losses in the 2009 season will be Herm and Carls fault.
by Idahochief on Oct 23, 2009 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
On A 1-5 Team
I think that the guys at the bottom of the depth chart are completely expendable.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Oct 23, 2009 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You should add “Unless replaced by someone from New England, Arizona, or Miami.”
by JComp11 on Oct 23, 2009 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again
You’re a lot less likely to find treasure digging through your own garbage than you are someone else’s garbage.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Oct 23, 2009 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
At the same time, the Patriots are fairly deep at some positions. Guys that don’t make the team aren’t necessarily garbage. Just players that need someone to give them a chance.
by bh13 on Oct 23, 2009 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This May Be True
But I have a tough time believing that the Pats are deep enough at those positions to have the amount of hidden talent that Pioli seems to think is there. I would have a problem believing that any one team has that much talent, no matter how good. He seems to be going more for familiarity.
And the same argument can be made for any number of other teams as well…that don’t fit into his preferred triumvirate.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Oct 23, 2009 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I won't argue that
Like I said above, it’s not like there’s much available at this time of year anyway. Why not sign guys you have some history with?
If he’s still only signing those teams players next year, then I’ll start being more concerned. For now, it’s just something to keep an eye on.
by bh13 on Oct 23, 2009 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair Enough
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Oct 23, 2009 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Priceless.
You’re a lot less likely to find treasure digging through your own garbage than you are someone else’s garbage.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 24, 2009 3:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was the Giants blocking TE
I seriously can’t believe you guys are bitching so much because we worked out the former blocking TE of the NY Giants. Bitching solely because he also used to play for NE when Pioli wasn’t even there.
If this guy can block effectively, then we need to cut Cottam who can’t do anything, and sign this guy and play him a lot.
If he can’t play, then make that case, and I’ll be with you on not wanting him. But not one single person has offered any evidence that he can’t play. We worked him out because we desperately need a blocking TE and Pioli presumably had reports that he might be able to do that, and because he did that with the Giants, so we brought him in to see if he can help us. There is absolutely no downside to that scenario. Offer some evidence that it’s a waste of time to even work him out, or else you’re bitching just to bitch.
by Offense of the 70s on Oct 23, 2009 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
Not griping at all
nice comment and rec
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 23, 2009 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just To Nitpick
But not one single person has offered any evidence that he can’t play.
You realize of course, that you’re asking people to disprove a negative proposition, which is usually impossible.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Oct 23, 2009 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not really
I think it’s more accurate to say that I’m saying if you’re so upset about us working out a blocking TE, then I’m not going to agree with you, unless you have a better reason than the fact that he used to play for New England.
What’s the downside of working out the former blocking TE of the Giants? I don’t see it. I’m keeping an open mind that there might be some, but I haven’t seen any reason to complain about it yet.
by Offense of the 70s on Oct 23, 2009 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's a pretty good rationale.
He knows the thinking that went into giving those guys a look in the first place.
There was a Greg Ellis connection, wasn’t there? A Terrell Owens connection… A Richard Seymour connection… There are clearly certain guys they do NOT want.
And isn’t Bobby Wade a Minnesota castoff?
I think what’s more significant is that they’re STILL scrapin’ the barrel. What’s semi-surprising is, even at this late date, they’re getting better, incrementally, with these moves. I’m not so much critical of whom they’re adding, as I am that they have enough weaknesses that they can improve at all by scraping the barrel!
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 24, 2009 3:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
these are practically free moves...
they don’t cost us draft picks. we need more talent. instead of sitting still and waiting for next year’s draft and free agency, we use the spots we have to “try out” talent. This part is trial and error, and if we land one, maybe two decent-to-good players, its all worth it.
And yea, I think bobby wade good prove to be a good pickup in the next couple years.
by jakethesnake27 on Oct 24, 2009 7:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
To Be Honest
This signing makes me worry even more that Bill Simmons was right about Pioli…that all he knows is what Belichick told him. So far he only seems to be going after “prospects” who Parcells, Belichick or the Cardinals drafted. And the guys he’s acquired from outside that pipeline are “name” players who, to put it bluntly, are washed up or suck.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Oct 23, 2009 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Come on UC.
Give the guy a break. He comes over from a Dynasty……yes a Dynasty to work with the Chiefs. He is all by himself now. No coach to help on the personel level. He is doing what he can this season. This is his first season with the Chiefs…..his first. He is not going to sign all gems….or all guys that we agree with. Pioli has a philosphy about a winning team….if a player fit that criteria they were picked up by his Pats…..ok if that same guy is available he is gonna get him because he liked him already.
Pioli is not the smartest guy in the NFL by all means…but he has a damn brain in his head. He is not an idiot. Give him a break and lets see what happens.
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Oct 23, 2009 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Why Does He Deserve A Break
He comes over from a Dynasty……yes a Dynasty to work with the Chiefs
He didn’t do it as a favor to the fans…it’s a job. So I’m not about to treat him like he did us a favor. And frankly, I don’t think he did a very good job this offseason outside of the Cassel trade (after which he did nothing to protect his new QB). He’s paid to build a better team and this team isn’t better. Frankly, I think it’s been worse than last year’s team. And a lot of that can be laid directly on his shoulders. There’s no such thing as a “break” in the NFL…the only break I’m willing to cut him is not say he should be fired after one season. But when he does stupid things (and ignoring the o-line was stupid) I’m going to say that he’s doing stupid things.
He is all by himself now.
He’s not a five year old.
No coach to help on the personel level.
That was the contract and situation he asked for when he took this job. If he can’t produce without someone else doing the heavy lifting for him, he deserves the criticism. And if he can’t produce without Belichick after working with the guy for a decade, he didn’t deserve to be a GM.
He is not going to sign all gems….or all guys that we agree with.
I don’t disagree with that. Even the best GMs whiff sometimes. What I have a problem with is Pioli apparently looking to sign young players whom Belichick, Parcells and the Cardinals picked up before.
Pioli has a philosphy about a winning team
Does he? I don’t know that he does. Most good teams (especially most good Belichick and Parcells teams) are built on good line play. He pretty much whiffed there this season.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Oct 23, 2009 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man!!
You are a very good at being negative….goodness. You have some great points….some I cant argue with. But we need to try and look at the bright side of his decisions. Give these players time. If they stink it up then yeah we can blame him for not looking elsewhere…..but for now we dont know. These guys could be very good for us.
Just calm down UC…..take a chill pill. Pioli is one of US…..He is trying to make us better…and he will.
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Oct 23, 2009 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm Sure He's Trying To Make Us Better
Every GM in the NFL is trying to make their team better. But he needs to do a better job of it. And I won’t give him, or any other GM the Chiefs hire a free pass on criticism when I think what they’re doing is going counter to the goal of making the team better.
And criticism is just part of the job for the GMs. I’m sure Pioli recognizes this and accepts this, or he wouldn’t have taken the job…so he certainly doesn’t need me to give him a break.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Oct 23, 2009 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
His scouts are the ones that watched and recommended who is in New England so I’m not exactly sure who else he would trust.
by JComp11 on Oct 23, 2009 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My Concern With That Is
If he’s relying on the guys who conducted the last three drafts he did with the Patriots, they had a pretty ugly track record.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Oct 23, 2009 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So the people scouting the college players are also scouting other pro players who might be of interest?
by JComp11 on Oct 23, 2009 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Don't Know How The Chiefs Break It Up
But a lot of teams have their scouting broken up into two groups…college and pro. Each focuses only on their own area.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Oct 23, 2009 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just Saying
That depending on which of the guys Pioli brought with him, they could be either good at their jobs or pretty terrible. Just because they did college scouting in one place doesn’t mean they aren’t doing pro scouting elsewhere.
Although I don’t know who, if anyone, Pioli brought with him to KC.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Oct 23, 2009 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s what I was trying to say. Just because he trusts his scouts that are in charge of other pro players doesn’t mean he brought with him his amateur scouts.
by JComp11 on Oct 23, 2009 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It Also Doesn't Mean
That any guys he did bring with him have the same role in KC they had in New England.
It’s a bit of an academic debate, though, since we don’t know who he brought (at least I don’t).
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Oct 23, 2009 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Joel and Chris probably know. Nerds.
by JComp11 on Oct 23, 2009 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If 1-5 means anything, he certainly started OUT with a bunch of amateur scouts!
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 24, 2009 3:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lets just sign Kimbo Slice as our blocking TE
You down with that?
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Oct 23, 2009 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
After his last fight idk about that. All it takes is a fat guy layin on top of him for it to be over.
by JComp11 on Oct 23, 2009 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Most teams good teams especially from the bills also have good defense’s which last I checked we didn’t have last year and has seemed to atleast improve slightly anyways and ocal has been terrible man we should cut him why are bothering starting an ex pat? On the online that we are trying not to improve
by karkz86 on Oct 23, 2009 10:28 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
The coaches get recycled all the time
and some actually turn out good in the right situation
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 23, 2009 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rec
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 23, 2009 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand what you are saying, and maybe you are right.
But think of it this way. The guys on the NE roster are guys that Pioli brought in. At that point they weren’t cast offs they were just guys that he scouted and liked. People need to remember that he didn’t get the benefit of his own scouting department when he first came in so he probably trusted the NE scouts more then his own. What about guys like Mays and O’Callaghan do you want us to throw them back because they’re Patriots? What about a guy they brought in like Belcher who looks like a great find. I’ll bet you money that if Pioli leaves the Chiefs in 10 years and goes to rebuild another team he would naturally sign some former Chiefs that he had scouted and liked in KC. It only makes sense.
It's a good thing Pioli and Haley aren't running AP or a lot of you guys would of been traded or cut for cast offs from the Pats Pulpit.
by KCporkchop on Oct 23, 2009 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly!!
Plus Matthews is a big 6’4 270lb blocking TE…..that we NEED!! He was the blocking TE for the SB winning Giants…..oh thats not very good.
I say sign him up quickly and give him a playbook ASAP!!
I bet Larry Johnson is begging for this guy as well as Cassel…..
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Oct 23, 2009 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What signing?
Matthews? It’s just a workout. They’ve worked out guys without signing them before, though I imagine if he can block like some people are saying, he’ll be signed. Not like we really have a blocking TE at the moment.
by bh13 on Oct 23, 2009 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh shut up! I had him penciled-in for Sunday's game!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:op
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 24, 2009 3:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bill Simmons???
I’ve been reading Simmons since his days at digital cities, way before ESPN, and I can honestly say that he knows the NBA really well, and is one of the best writers on the NBA around. He knows how to be an entertaining writer. He’s really good at those things.
But he knows little about the NFL or baseball. He’s lived in LA for years and has fewer inside connections to the Patriots than some of the posters on this message board.
by Offense of the 70s on Oct 23, 2009 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
and i have no doubt thats the way pioli looks at it
by Bleedzredngold on Oct 23, 2009 9:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Although I would also like to see some players from other teams,
I don’t want us to go to the other extreme of “he’s an ex-patriot/cardinal, so DO NOT look at him. Regardless of his talent, leave him alone because we have already signed enough ex-patriot and Cardinal players.” To me, that is just as dangerous as only staying with those aforementioned teams when looking for talent. If Matthews is a legitimate blocking TE, or is an upgrade over our current TEs, then sign him up. Regardless of his past teams.
I think it is also important to keep in mind that at this point in the season we are not looking for starters, break out players, or even diamonds in the rough. Just anything that is an upgrade over our current players. Now if Pioli was implying that only ex Cardinal and Patriot players would take us too the playoffs, then I would start waving the BS flag. Until then, I am willing to let them sign who they know, and who they think will help us succeed.
by Fourstrike89 on Oct 23, 2009 10:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
And I'd Agree With That
I have no problem with scouting ex-Pats or ex-Cards. I just have a problem with Pioli scouting young players only from those teams. Which is what he seems to be doing.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Oct 23, 2009 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe,
But I would say that he only seems to be “signing” players from those teams. I don’t think any of us have a real idea of how in depth or wide spread their “scouting” goes. The media is pretty thorough on reporting who is working out for the Chiefs, but they can’t possibly catch everyone. And with the pickens being so slim at this point, who knows if there were other players from other teams that PIoli was interested in but were quickly disqualified for one reason or another (personal, medical, or just plain lack of talent.
And I think most people would agree with you and do not have a problem with Pioli scouting ex=Pats and Cards, however this whole debate started on this post because of just that. Pioli is only “scouting” an ex-Pat, and people are up in arms
by Fourstrike89 on Oct 23, 2009 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Valid Point
I’m skeptical of his approach because he’s only signing players from those teams. But I question how seriously he’s looking at players outside of that group. Honestly, the inactivity on Runyan and Tauscher boggled my mind considering how bad our RT situation was.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Oct 23, 2009 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you not satisfied with O’Callaghan at RT?
by JComp11 on Oct 23, 2009 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Meh
He features better “potential” than Sackintosh, but so far they’re a wash.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Oct 23, 2009 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would you say the same thing about Succop and Barth? ;)
by JComp11 on Oct 23, 2009 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Succop's Done Well
In fact, I just added him to my fantasy football team…only Chief on the squad. :)
So Pioli gets cred there.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Oct 23, 2009 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bravo UC
I hope he wins some games for you:)
And us tooooo
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 23, 2009 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We'll See
He can’t be worse than Jason Elam so far…that Atlanta offense is scoring too many TDs and not enough FGs. :)
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Oct 23, 2009 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Although I Still Think Barth Was Good
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Oct 23, 2009 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH had to throw that in there!
by JComp11 on Oct 23, 2009 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So now the condition is that he’s only scouting young ex former players or players with close connections? And how did that rt situation work out? I’m pretty happy with ryan.o. Not so sure about you sense he’s a young former pat
by karkz86 on Oct 23, 2009 10:35 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I'll agree with you on this point but not your others
I don’t understand why we didn’t sign Tauscher. But, Runyan – seems like nobody is interested so he must not be able. (at least I haven’t noticed him get picked up)
Air Cassel - approved for takeoff
by kabrink on Oct 23, 2009 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're Correct, He's Still A Free Agent
Thought the Eagles had re-signed him since they lost Andrews, but apparently they were only considering at that point.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Oct 23, 2009 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Curious how is Tauscher doing?
by karkz86 on Oct 23, 2009 10:47 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
He's Starting I Believe
But he’s an o-lineman so it’s not like there are a lot of stats to follow. They beat Detroit and I think that’s the only team he’s played so far.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Oct 23, 2009 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but remember Tauscher
played for GB last year and he worked out for other teams as well. My guess is that Tauscher wanted to play in GB all along and was just working out for the CHiefs in case GB never called him.
by Tigkoly on Oct 23, 2009 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay not trying to bash you at all uc just so you know you do seem like a very smart fan just we disagree which is fine as long as its controlled
by karkz86 on Oct 23, 2009 11:03 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
No Worries
You’re fine…didn’t feel like you were bashing me at all.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Oct 24, 2009 1:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay not trying to bash you at all uc just so you know you do seem like a very smart fan just we disagree which is fine as long as its controlled
by karkz86 on Oct 23, 2009 11:03 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
update on Tauscher
according to this article he just this week did 2 full partcipation practices. He is still trying to come back from knee surgery and is not ready to play yet. That is probably a good reason why we did not sign him…we needed someone right away.
by Tigkoly on Oct 23, 2009 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks tig and sorry about the double post darn phone got screwy
by karkz86 on Oct 23, 2009 11:12 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I agree completely with the RT position
I can only think that he knew O’Cal was going to be available and that he is sold on the kid. If that’s the case, then he is taking a gamble that O’Cal has the talent to become the future RT for this team. If he’s wrong, then hopefully he admits it if O’Cal flops. If he is right………. Homerun Pioli, and I doubt we see any naysayers at the time
by Fourstrike89 on Oct 23, 2009 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll give you Tauscher as I was curious about him and he eventually signed with someone.
Runyan though is still out there as far as I know. That makes me wonder if something’s wrong because we’re not the only team that needs O-line help.
by bh13 on Oct 23, 2009 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll Retract My Comment On Runyan
He may very well be done.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Oct 23, 2009 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice points.
As quick as they threw Ndukwe in at RT, and especially as fast as they threw O’Callaghan in there, in the current cap situation, it would seem as nothing to at least throw Runyan or Tauscher in there, and see what happens. As is/was, O-Line’s not been a position area that it’s easy to make a “But I was worried about the downside” argument!
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 24, 2009 3:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
who likes doing some research?
can someone please research this and get a stat line for how many players from the patriots and cardinals pioli has brought in and how many non P and C players he has brought in to look at? maybe even look at the whole bunch and then who was actually signed?
id do it but i have to get some sleep to climb a big snow and ice-covered mountain tomorrow. it would just be nice to have some stats to work with instead of he said she said garbage. maybe we could actually get this argument settled.
thank you…that is all.
by MountainManMike on Oct 24, 2009 1:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You posed the question. How quick can we supply that as a team, with what we know?
Wade, Goff, Engram, Brown, …
Myself, I don’t think the quality of the late acquisitions is all that bad, given the larger pool in which they swim. The lynchpin of this whole discussion is how much barrel-scrapin’ this 1-5 bottom-dwelling team is still having to do.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 24, 2009 3:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The gorilla in the corner...
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 24, 2009 3:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why would it ever
stop if you are still occasionally finding upgrades with it?
by ttownmikey on Oct 24, 2009 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not positive, but the comments are probably similar to the comments after Ryan O’Callaghan was worked out or signed.
I’d be pissed if they were bringing lesser talent in and pushing them ahead of anyone that we currently have just for the sake of being more like the Patriots. But that isn’t what has happened and I’m confident it isn’t going to happen. Calm the fuck down. These are work outs. We have STARTERS that wouldn’t be on the practice squad in a place like New England, Philly, or Minnesota and Sean Ryan is one of them.
by JComp11 on Oct 23, 2009 10:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
My god I hope they wouldn't be on a practice squad
maybe 2nd team, don’t hurt me so
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 23, 2009 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah well in my quest to find out how many penalties Albert had I realized that Ryan has his fair share, he’s just lucky some of them were declined or offsetting. Add to that how many sacks he’s given up, he flat out sucks.
by JComp11 on Oct 23, 2009 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some of you guys kill me
Do you thing Ryan sucks at blocking?
Do you think we could benefit from bringing in a TE that is known as a good blocker?
Have you done any research on Matthews to see if he fits the bill?
Do you know of any other good blocking TEs on the market?
If you want to complain about a guy they bring in because you’ve looked into the player and don’t think he’ll help our team, or you think there is someone better available, then I’ll hear that argument. But to bitch and moan just because the guy was on the NE roster for 2 minutes after Pioli left is absurd. You accuse Pioli of being close minded in the free agents he brings in but you don’t take the time to look into the guy before you bash the move. Who’s being close minded?
It's a good thing Pioli and Haley aren't running AP or a lot of you guys would of been traded or cut for cast offs from the Pats Pulpit.
by KCporkchop on Oct 23, 2009 11:12 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
The point is not about this one guy
The point is that Pioli seems to have tunnel vision. Like he’s afraid to make a move unless Bellichick made it first. That has been the concern about Pioli all along.
Yes, he’s won all kinds of awards for peronnel managment, but was it him or Bellichick?
Right now we STILL couldn’t say because all he’s doing is picking at Bellichicks left overs. He’s not going out and finding players that are his alone.
Where are all the players the Steelers or Colts or Giants have cut? Those are good, well coached teams. Why aren’t we looking at them? Because Bellichick hasn’t already shown interest in them.
Pioli needs to cut the cord.
by ChiefDJ on Oct 23, 2009 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But Also An Ex-Patriot
That’s DJ’s point…it’s like he looks for the Belichick seal of approval.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Oct 24, 2009 1:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah. It's more about knowin' you like a guy, already.
Like McBride catchin’ on in Detroit…
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 24, 2009 3:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pioli was already on his way to KC when Matthews was brought in
So I don’t think that excuse washes.
by ChiefDJ on Oct 24, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Appears to me
that he doesn’t think real highly of Belichick’s evaluation of players to me. Either that or he feels that New England is so highly talented that they have to cut players who might be a year away from being productive.
by ttownmikey on Oct 24, 2009 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, so if its not about this guy then
how about Mays, O’Callaghan, even Richardson looked promising in limited action last week. Keep in mind he’s not just scouting the FA available right now, he’s scouting the upcoming draft prospects too. So I’m sure like most GMs he’s relying on scouting he did in the past instead of starting each FA from scratch. Well in the past he was with NE.
I also agree with the poster that said other teams don’t “churn” the roster like both Pioli and the Hoodie do, so they don’t have as many players released.
Pioli does already have his own guys. Beyond the draft picks there are CFA he brought in like Walters, Belcher, Gales, and Greenwood.
It's a good thing Pioli and Haley aren't running AP or a lot of you guys would of been traded or cut for cast offs from the Pats Pulpit.
by KCporkchop on Oct 24, 2009 12:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't disagree with the churning.
It’s the 1-5 record, when I really didn’t expect them to step as far backward before stepping forward. If this team were successful, this churning would be of only mild interest. Low-level attempts to improve the bottom of the roster. And that’s how I look at Smith and Favorite, right now. But, because of the Chiefs’ poor record, we’re scrutinizing every little thing, hoping to see the tipping point and fearing we’re little or no closer than before these modest moves.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 24, 2009 4:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Undrafted Free Agents are essentially like draft picks
They wouldn’t have been on another team yet.
Of new guys on the roster this year that were not drafted or undrafted rookies, 82% of them have either spent time in New England, Miami or were coached by Haley in the past.
Only Mike Goff and Mike Brown weren’t.
by ChiefDJ on Oct 24, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Has anyone ever thought of one day
Belichick may be looking to sign cast off Chiefs? :)
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.
by Lanier63 on Oct 23, 2009 11:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I really thought most of you guys were smarter than this
Am I the only one that has not missed the fact that they have brought in a ton of guys for a workout that were never part of any of these “connection” teams. It is just when they have no “connection” there is a 4 word blurb written about them working out and then we get a 500 reply 5 page post about the 2 guys from the “connection” teams. We worked out I believe 6 different DTs and signed 2 of them. We worked out at least 4 RT candidates and signed one of them. The other thing I ask all of you is has any of you seen a large list of other teams cast offs? Because I have not seen it. Seems like Belichick is one of the only coaches that is continously bringing in new players to evaluate and cut, well him and Pioli. Apple never falls too far from the tree…..and Pioli has told us since day one…I will not stop evaluating people untill I find the “right 53”. We are 1 and 5…no way in hell we have the “right 53” yet…and if we do….just shoot me now.
by Tigkoly on Oct 23, 2009 11:19 PM CDT reply actions 4 recs
rec
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 23, 2009 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know the guy even kinda lookslike Tony Gonzalez
hahaha jk.. Hopefully he can block better than Sean “The Expree Lane” Ryan lol
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
by 808NaNz808 on Oct 23, 2009 11:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No More Workouts...
maybe you guy’s would be happier if Pioli just stopped looking and trying guy’s out alltogether… and just rode the rest of the season out with the guy’s we have now. I for one am glad that thier atleast trying to improve our roster no matter where they come from.
by KC Rowdy1 on Oct 24, 2009 12:04 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes unless we work out a former player from every team first is the only way we can work out anyone is to work out someone at the same pos that’s been cut by every team in the nfl!
by karkz86 on Oct 24, 2009 12:26 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I would prefer he looked at players from all the NFL teams instead of just two of them.
I would prefer to have confidence that Pioli is the genius people think he is and was not just Bellichicks paperwork guy.
He’s done nothing to give that kind of confidence yet.
by ChiefDJ on Oct 24, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Other teams cast offs
Here is a breakdown of all players cut in the month of October. I dare you to find anybody you think the Chiefs should have brought in that they didn’t.
Donovan Raiola © practice squad deletion.
Cletis Gordon (CB) cut.
Tony Curtis (TE) cut
Renardo Foster (T) practice squad deletion.
Keilen Dykes (DT) cut.
Alex Field (DE) practice squad deletion.
Jeremy Leman (LB) practice squad deletion.
Glenn Pakulak (P) cut.
Allen Rossum (CB) cut.
Drew Radovich (T) practice squad deletion.
Lamar Myles (LB) practice squad deletion.
Adrian Grady (DT) practice squad deletion.
Chauncey Washington (RB) cut.
Logan Payne (WR) practice squad deletion.
Jason Chery (WR) practice squad deletion.
Marc Dile (T) cut.
Chase Daniel (QB) cut.
Renaldo Wynn (DE) cut.
Duke Preston © cut.
Michael Bennett (DE) cut.
Maurice Evans (DE) cut.
Keith Grennan (DE) practice squad deletion.
Geoffrey Pope (CB) cut.
Phil Trautwein (T) cut.
K.C. Asiodu (LB) practice squad deletion.
Sam Giguere (WR) practice squad deletion.
Woodny Turenne (CB) practice squad deletion.
Clark Harris (TE) practice squad deletion.
Darnell Bing (LB) cut.
Justin Miller (CB) cut.
Joe Clermond (DE) practice squad deletion.
Jordan Senn (LB) cut.
Justin Roland (LB) practice squad deletion.
Mike Nugent (K) cut.
Marcus Hamilton (CB) cut.
Isaac Redman (RB) cut.
Kyle Williams (T) cut.
Chauncey Washington (RB) cut.
Maurice Evans (DE) practice squad deletion.
Dobson Collins (WR) practice squad deletion.
Patrick Ramsey (QB) cut.
Marvin White (S) cut.
Chad Simpson (RB) cut.
Nick Eason (DE) cut.
Justin Griffith (RB) cut.
Ra’Shon Harris (DT) cut.
92 cut in October.
39 from practice squads.
Texans 4
Eagles 2
Falcons 1
Bucs 9
Vikings 3
Patriots 4
Redskins 7
Bears 5
Giants 2
Seattle 4
Browns 3
Panthers 5
Rams 6
Dolphins 2
Cards 3
Lions 5
Jets 1
Chiefs 1
Titans 3
Colts 6
Chargers 1
Saints 3
Bills 1
Bengals 2
Cowboys 5
Ravens 1
49ers 3
Raiders 1
Stealers 2
by Tigkoly on Oct 24, 2009 12:37 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Nice
I personally think Tony Curtis TE was worth at least a look. But other than that……….
by Fourstrike89 on Oct 24, 2009 12:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Out Of Those
I’d say Chauncey Washington (who had no opportunity in Dallas), Drew Radovich (who was a good lineman at USC) and Phil Trautwein are worth a look.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Oct 24, 2009 1:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the knowledge.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 24, 2009 4:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the knowledge.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 24, 2009 4:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why on earth do we keep looking at players from the Patriots?
Frustrating to see that we only look at what the patriots have let go of…
by Wrestler189s on Oct 24, 2009 12:54 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, it's really frustrating to see your team working out the best FA blocking TE
You’re right.
Penn State to Kansas City...Always a winning combination.
by YNinja on Oct 24, 2009 3:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
First of all good job on being a smart ass.
Secondly, if I knew that he was the best FA blocking TE then i wouldnt have said that now would i?
by Wrestler189s on Oct 24, 2009 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How do you know he's the "best free agent blocking TE"?
I bet you never even heard of him before.
by ChiefDJ on Oct 24, 2009 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because Pioli Chose Him
Geez, DJ, follow along… :)
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Oct 24, 2009 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Two things.
1. I’ve been drinking for the last 8 hours.
2. I find this move somewhat surprising. An ex-Pat? Really? Very unusual.
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Oct 24, 2009 1:16 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i just had a great idea!
i think there should be a league where the team is run by the fans…the gm comes up with ideas for the team and then the fans vote on the decision…the fans get to basically play GM in a democracy. it would be great, fans would have no one to blame but themselves and each team would be equally bad.
hmm…wondering if i should put the sarcasm thing around this whole thing.
by MountainManMike on Oct 24, 2009 1:50 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd say let the winners of the debates get their say.
AP has a pretty good bullshit meter. Trouble is, the minute any group of fans had an actual say, the kooks would ruin it. Too many warring philosophies, maybe. But there are times when AP seems to arrive at a concensus that is pretty solid. Sort of a “sense of the senate” sort of thing.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 24, 2009 4:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe a supermajority sort of thing. When anything goes above 80% approval, go with it.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 24, 2009 4:10 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
if the guy can block,who cares!we should run more two tight formations anyway.btw…that guy looks like l.j.’s long lost brother.
by B-sizzle on Oct 24, 2009 4:33 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
A Ryan Gem
I love the Chiefs, hate the losing..
But I love comedy even more. Courtesy of Chiefsplanet’s GoChiefs
We will once again be amongst the NFL's elite!!!
by KrazyKreamChief on Oct 24, 2009 7:00 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
A picture is worth a thousand words...
This single-handedly negates most of this post. Let’s look at any blocking TE option regardless of where they’re from.
by timmer on Oct 24, 2009 7:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
love his positive attitude though
rather than let Umeniyora (sp) get him down, he immediately moved forward in search of another guy to fan on.
by ExtraMetal on Oct 24, 2009 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
What's the latest on Cottam?
I thought his “strengths” was blocking. All I heard was how he wasn’t really used as a passing TE in college. It’s hard to understand him not being a decent blocking TE with his size.
by timmer on Oct 24, 2009 7:32 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
To be honest
I’m not going to pump my fist in the air in celebration of yet another ex patriot cast off who was CUT. Our tight end is playing for the Atlanta Falcons………..
by Razortongue on Oct 24, 2009 9:05 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It Doesn't matter to me where they come from
We need help it’s just that simple, next year if we are only picking up former NE players then that’s a reason to worry. Right now we are trying to get through this season and still improve while not giving away draft picks, Giving away multi year million dollar contracts for players on their way out, and not giving the team away like Peterson and Edwards did all in the name of re-building. What did you really expect this season with the HC hired so late and the GM going into the draft with Peterson’s scouts? I said 3 years for improvement coming each season and that’s what we are getting. This is not Madden, you can’t just turn on the X box and take advantage for glitches and cheat codes. There are real teams all looking to improve their teams all of them want the best possible deal all of them want to end up in the Super Bowl, thus we don’t always get what we want unless we are willing to give up way to much.
is it me? or isn't about time the Lamar Hunt trophy belonged to His team?
I’m a Chiefs fan Dammit and I’m damn proud of it!
by KC Fanatic on Oct 24, 2009 10:12 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
The Head Coach didn't HAVE to be hired late
If you recall, while the cream of the crop of coaches were being signed, Pioli was taking his own damn sweet time in signing his own contract. Then he took several more weeks before signing Haley and then another couple weeks for him to fill out his staff.
Pioli is going to have to learn that players and coaches are not going to stand around waiting on him hand and foot for a chance to sign with the KC Chiefs like they did with the Patriots. He is going to have to be aggressive about goign out and getting them.
I think that is going to be a hard lesson for Pioli to learn.
by ChiefDJ on Oct 24, 2009 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He may be just now realizing that DJ 1-5 :)
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.
by Lanier63 on Oct 24, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or perhaps it's the other way around?
They’re not lining up, so it’s a lot harder to get truely decent or good players to even work out for us if they think they’ll pick up somewhere else. It’s the guys who have a connection to the administration that will be a little quicker to think about it. So that could be what we’re seeing.
Right now, to those of us who aren’t big chief’s fans, I’d imagine there doesn’t seem to be much upside to coming here, other than we have all sorts of cap room to pay out the nose if we needed to. I’m thinking we should give it a little while longer before we get all upset about “They’re not looking at anybody but their own old guys!!!”
As much as many of us would hate to admit it, the Chief’s organization is like a house that needs a lot of work sitting on the market. Only the guys willing to put in the effort will generally be willing to buy it, or those with no other option they can afford. We’ve won a game now and that’s a start, let’s see who starts to take a look at us after a few more.
by Archyrr on Oct 24, 2009 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Although
I really don’t think that Pioli was interested in any other coach except Haley. I think he was the only candidate Pioli wanted to pursue.
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Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Oct 24, 2009 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ugh...
first of all, pioli was negotiating with two different teams…starts with the browns but moved onto the chiefs after it was made clear the browns wanted manginni as coach. also, another reason it took awhile to sign with the chiefs, he was negotiating the best contract for himself. that takes time. what? u expect him to be offered a dollar and just accept that? i sure as heck dont want that kind of GM being my gm if he has no clue how to negotiate.
second of all, haley could not be interviewed until after his team was done in the playoffs. i think he had haley picked way before but didnt figure the cardinals would go to the super bowl.
by MountainManMike on Oct 25, 2009 2:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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