Dorsey, Gilberry Options For Chiefs Nose Tackle Depth
by Joel Thorman on Oct 23, 2009 11:05 AM CDT
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I caught something interesting in Todd Haley's press conference yesterday afternoon. He was asked who might spell nose tackle Ron Edwards now that Tank Tyler is gone.
"We’ve been giving reps to a couple of different guys that have nose (tackle) possibilities. I think any number of guys: Glenn Dorsey could play in there if need be, Wallace Gilberry’s got some reps, so we’ve got a plan if something were to happen significant."
Dorsey and Gilberry are defensive ends in the Chiefs 3-4.
Dorsey is listed at 6'1", 297 pounds while Gilberry is a slim (?) 6'2", 268 pounds. Not exactly the 6'3", 330 pound nose tackles we see across the league.
We talked a little bit about Kenny Smith yesterday but Haley did acknowledge that he or possibly a practice squad player (Marlon Favorite) could be seeing some time pretty quickly. Haley also said he's encouraged by what he's seen from Smith in just a couple of days but qualified that statement with IF he can stay healthy, which has been a major concern for him over the last six years.
It's hard for me to see Smith playing this weekend but, then again, that wouldn't be the first time I was wrong. If Smith isn't a contributor this weekend, then look for Dorsey and/or Gilberry to possibly fill that role.
(H/T stagdsp for the link!)
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how about a tip of the hat?
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2009/10/22/1096894/haley-says-kenny-smith-looks-good#comments
:)
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Oct 23, 2009 11:09 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
haha, no big deal
just giving you a hard time
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Oct 23, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder why Jackson wasn't mentioned
He has 2 inches and 30lbs on Gilberry. You’d think he be better at eating up blockers than Gilberry.
The Chiefs are on their way to an 11-5 season...I think....
by mushin on Oct 23, 2009 11:19 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
they probably want him to focus on his DE position since they brought him in for that
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by redmedicone on Oct 23, 2009 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn't that apply to Dorsey as well???
by Chiefsfan1970 on Oct 23, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Especially with the DE improvement the brass is crowing about for Dorsey
The Chiefs are on their way to an 11-5 season...I think....
by mushin on Oct 23, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well i seriously dont think dorsey or jackson will be in at NT IMO
Haley is just throwing ideas around from what it sounds like they have edwards, smith with question marks and favorite who can step up if he impressing the coaches so thats why i dont think either dorsey or jackson will rotate in at NT
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by redmedicone on Oct 23, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and gillberry can play but he is to small to anchor in the middle
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by redmedicone on Oct 23, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
I look for Edwards to continue to get most all of the snaps at NT
when he comes out, it’s either Smith or a Nickel package with no NT…
Dorsey and Gillberry are the emergency options, if Smith AND Edwards are hurt
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Oct 23, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
If something happens to Edwards you’ll see the swiftest return to the 4-3 in the history of the league
The Chiefs are on their way to an 11-5 season...I think....
by mushin on Oct 23, 2009 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or the first "base Nickel" D
The Chiefs are on their way to an 11-5 season...I think....
by mushin on Oct 23, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think it's the 4-3
but, rather the nickel package they talked about from last week
with Dorsey and Magee in the middle
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Oct 23, 2009 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can't run that on 1st down though
Or you could, but it wouldn’t be long before McGraw or Page becomes your leading tackler, and possibly shatters the previous KC record for tackles in a season
The Chiefs are on their way to an 11-5 season...I think....
by mushin on Oct 23, 2009 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if they could run some sourt of 2-5 formation
with Jackson and Dorsey down, Hali and Vrabel up at the line of scrimmage, and 3 ILB. It would be like a 4-3 but with OLBs standing on the ends instead of DEs with their hands down.
It's a good thing Pioli and Haley aren't running AP or a lot of you guys would of been traded or cut for cast offs from the Pats Pulpit.
by KCporkchop on Oct 23, 2009 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that's what they did some vs Wash
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Oct 23, 2009 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Against one of the worst offenses in the NFL
The Chiefs are on their way to an 11-5 season...I think....
by mushin on Oct 23, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think (could be wrong) that against Washington
They ran nickel packages with the down linemen and OLB like I described above with a traditional nickel secondary (3 CBs and 2 traditional S) and then rotated guys in the two middle linebacker spots including Belcher, DJ, Williams, Mays, and even McGraw.
I don’t know that they ever had 3 ILBs plus the 2 OLB because they had the nickel secondary.
It's a good thing Pioli and Haley aren't running AP or a lot of you guys would of been traded or cut for cast offs from the Pats Pulpit.
by KCporkchop on Oct 23, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
true...
it was an extra safety instead of an extra ILB
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Oct 23, 2009 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you're pretty much on it, KCporkchop.
4-3 hybrid, 2-4-5 nickel, 3-3-5 nickel. Whatever you wanna call it.
A number of times, they moved Jackson to what’d have to be called defensive tackle in some of those nickel and dime packages in preseason, especially.
Notice nobody’s talked about Magee in all this, and I ‘spect it’s his development that made the trade with Carolina possible.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 23, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
im still curious about favorite but he prob needs time to develope
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by redmedicone on Oct 23, 2009 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we see him this year for extended time, something has gone horribly wrong
The Chiefs are on their way to an 11-5 season...I think....
by mushin on Oct 23, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
they didng bring dorsey in
so he has to make the best of what they give hime
by Hendrix on Oct 24, 2009 3:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Why Jackson isn't at Nose Tackle
mushin, the answer to that is that Jackson isn’t built to be a typical nose tackle. Quite frankly, Dorsey isn’t built like a typical 3-4 DE either.
Nose tackles are built shorter and lower to the ground. They need to be very strong in the legs. Their job is to absorb two blockers, so their job isn’t to really move around much, as much as it is to be an immovable object.
3-4 Defensive Ends have a much different responsibility. They tend to be taller and have longer arms, because they take on offensive tackles and their long arms can help them to shed blocks. And once they track down a ball carrier, they need to shed and have enough speed to flag them down.
Dorsey isn’t your top option at nose tackle because he’s not as strong in the legs as you’d want in a nose tackle. But he’s much better built for it.
by Jon Yoon on Oct 23, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Think my question got lost in the mix
I agree that neither Jackson or Dorsey are ideal for NT. Just was wondering why someone with Gilberry’s size was even mentioned in the same breath as NT over a guy without the ideal body type, but with more size to hold up against interior lineman.
The Chiefs are on their way to an 11-5 season...I think....
by mushin on Oct 23, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
they didnt bring dorsey in
hes not THERE GUY even if they are starting to warm to him. they dont want jacksons developement hindered in any way. hes not exactly tearing up the de position(which is expected) and then have him learn a new position?? even if its better for this year its not better for the future of jackson or pioli/haley.
by Hendrix on Oct 24, 2009 3:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am wanting to know who Favorite will pan out
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by redmedicone on Oct 23, 2009 11:20 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
oops how not who
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by redmedicone on Oct 23, 2009 11:21 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Haley is just shooting the crap...
Yeah Dorsey and Gilberry may have gotten snaps in practice but they will not be playing NT. That is just in case an emergency….like Edwards gets hurt then Smith gets hurt…..I could see Dorsey playing emergency NT but not Gilberry. But I also thought Pioli drafted Alex Magee based on his ability to play all Dline positions. Maybe Magee should get the call to play NT if need be.
Or there is always Dion Gales waiting patiently in the practice squad…lol
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Oct 23, 2009 11:34 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
How bout Richardson
He certainly has seen enough O-Line penetration to at least have the concept.
The Chiefs are on their way to an 11-5 season...I think....
by mushin on Oct 23, 2009 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Niswanger....
He has had more first hand penetration experience then all our linemen combined….he would make the best choice.
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Oct 23, 2009 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yikes
not sure where you were going with that one :)
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Oct 23, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me too,
I think I may be remembering that post everytime Cassel goes under center & puts that 1st hand in there to take the snap! :)
by ttownmikey on Oct 23, 2009 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know, Goff could give him a run for his money
I mean Niswanger doesn’t fall on his face and let kick blockers hop over. Goff would be effective for special teams and D-Line
The Chiefs are on their way to an 11-5 season...I think....
by mushin on Oct 23, 2009 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah Goff
He was on his knees almost…..the same position he was in when he got his contract from Pioli….
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Oct 23, 2009 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
has Magee been playing at all? I just haven't heard his name.
Just read Edwards profile. Pretty darn good record and he doesn’t seem to be injury prone. Turned 30 this summer so could be a solid player for a couple of years while a new NT is being broken in.
by jcox31mc on Oct 23, 2009 11:42 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah
Magee has played….he is the head scratcher of the draft imo. Maybe they will find a spot for him to contibute soon enough.
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Oct 23, 2009 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Magee was the head scratcher????
how bout washington?? how bout a big slow running back? how bout not addressing the oline? there are alot of head scratchers from that draft. Magee was not high on the list imo.
by Hendrix on Oct 24, 2009 3:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
re: Magee
Magee is built more in the mold of a 3-4 DE too. And I agree, I don’t know why you would take a backup 3-4 DE over a potential starting offensive lineman at that spot.
by Jon Yoon on Oct 23, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly
he was the 2nd best 3-4 DE in the draft, I think.
But, I would have rather taken a C or a RT…
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Oct 23, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well the RT thing panned out with O' Callahaughn (sp?)
so far he is playing very well and could possibly be the RT of the future. Only time will tell
The Don's gonna make you and offer you can't refuse.
by Haleystheman on Oct 23, 2009 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed.
he was a good find, for sure….
wish he was here for all of training camp, though
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Oct 23, 2009 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
for all the moaning and groaning about all the players we have rotated in and out, I dont really mind anymore because we keep finding guys we like like Mays, O’Callaghan, and to a lesser degree guys like Pope or Wade
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by Bashman on Oct 23, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
dont' forget
Belcher, Mike Richardson, Copper (ST only), Sean Ryan (receiving, not blocking)
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Oct 23, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't really agree
These guys are barely “good enough.” Mays isn’t good. He’s getting annihilated in pass coverage. O’Callaghan has only looked okay because he was better than the ridiculous excuse for RT protection earlier in the season. All the guys the Chiefs brought in later in the offseason are great depth plays, but clearly not guys you want to use in the long-term.
I’m not saying these were bad moves. I’m just saying we should be careful to act like they were great finds. They turned out to be okay stopgaps, no more no less.
by Jon Yoon on Oct 23, 2009 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And they went depth guys EARLY in the offseason, too.
Layin’ a foundation, which was neglected in prior seasons.
The secondary needs to get its shit together. Mays should be able to attack up the field more aggressively and more often. The DBacks haven’t been allowing that because they are getting annihilated in pass coverage. Mays in coverage oughta be the changeup and not an every-down thing. Covering up for poor d-back play has been the bane of KC LBs for years.
The base D oughta involve more attacking by Mays. Then when there’s a d-back blitz on, he oughta just concentrate on getting into a decent drop into the vacated zone, rather than being exposed in coverage stride-for-stride with ANYbody.
But everybody here knows that I’m a knee-jerk reactionary whenever I hear “He’s a shitty coverage LB.” To me, that’s a symptom that OTHER things aren’t happening that should be happening, rather than a LB who can’t cover being the problem.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 23, 2009 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you ...
they certainly are laying a foundation along the D line and with role players and special teams guys…
the real “gems” will hopefully come in 2010 (Berry, Spikes, whoever)
Mays should ONLY be blitzting and stopping the run.
I like the rotation they have been using, bringing DJ and McGraw in on passing downs, and using the 2-5 nickel package
Play to your strengths… obviously, for Mays, that’s stopping the run and breaking QBs ribs.
Belcher, McGraw, DJ, Williams… those guys can cover a little better.
I like how Mike Richardson was given a shot at nickel CB and seemed to play well… at least well enough to keep Leggett and Washington riding pine.
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Oct 23, 2009 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe the thought was
that Dorsey was not going to be the option at DE….so maybe Pioli wanted two 34 DE he could count on starting if he needed too….thats the only thing I can think of that would justify the pick.
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Oct 23, 2009 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And maybe he was just hedging the almost sure bet he made on TJackson.
Magee is a good player. I THINK he’ll be the biggest beneficiary of Tyler’s departure.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 23, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it was also a value pick
I thought I remember Pioli or Haley saying that they didn’t expect him to be there when they picked in the 3rd.
Magee sure can be a good player… I hope he sees the field a bit more
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Oct 23, 2009 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he's already been out there more 'n most of us noticed.
And even at only 270, Gilberry’s been pretty durn active in rotation with Jackson.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 23, 2009 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
I could see that… at the time, they didnt’ know if Dorsey would make it.
Now that he has, Magee looks expendible in the rear view mirror
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Oct 23, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly
when in doubt…have a backup plan. It was a smart draft move imo.
A man who says he can, and a man who says he can't are both right. Which one are you?
by Bashman on Oct 23, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
also
next years draft should be a lot better for us because we arent missing as many critical pieces as before. Now its less about installing the 34, and more about upgrading it
A man who says he can, and a man who says he can't are both right. Which one are you?
by Bashman on Oct 23, 2009 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed...
people keep saying the Chiefs have “holes at every position”…
but, other than C and backup NT… I think they’ve been able to identify guys that can play.
Now it’s about upgrading and building around the base, instead of “rebuilding”
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Oct 23, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly.
this is the “2nd gear” that Herm was never able to get to. Im amazed at how much confidence I already have in Haley and Pioli
A man who says he can, and a man who says he can't are both right. Which one are you?
by Bashman on Oct 23, 2009 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
as random as things seem at times...
I really believe there’s a plan in place
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Oct 23, 2009 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
More of a "take no backwards steps" approach.
Some of the moves were quite modest. A bunch of no-names. But…
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 23, 2009 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
re: Magee
Magee is built more in the mold of a 3-4 DE too. And I agree, I don’t know why you would take a backup 3-4 DE over a potential starting offensive lineman at that spot.
I know exactly why…in case Dorsey couldn’t make the switch to 3-4 DE. It looks like he is, so Magee could be a valuable part of the d-line rotation, and I have no problem with that from a 3rd rounder.
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
by PVChiefsfan on Oct 23, 2009 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus getting long-term solutions on DL is HARD, and Magee has tangibles and intangibles.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 23, 2009 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...
I was going to ask the same thing. I thought he was a guy when drafted who could play a number of positions on the line.
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by bigknoxy on Oct 23, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And he's a PLAYER.
Nobody remembers, but he’s gradually seeing more time and you’re starting to hear his number bein’ called in games. We’ll see if that continues. Hope so!
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 23, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm...
After looking at the 3rd round picks in last seasons NFL draft….we really did come out too bad. Most guys are not even playing or have not played a down all season. There are a few guys that look good we probably could have gotten but that is all hindsight…..
Derek Cox – CB
DeAndre Levy – LB
Antoine Caldwell – C
Louis Vasquez – OG
Mike Wallace – WR
Jared Cook – TE
4th round guys
Jonathon Luigs – C
Austin Collie – WR
5th round
Johnny Knox – WR
Jamon Meredith – OT
Duke Robinson – OG
Herman Johnson – OG
7th round
Julian Edelman – WR
So all in all we didnt come out too bad.
Scott McKillop – LB
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Oct 23, 2009 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry McKillop was 5th round
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Oct 23, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, not a TON of great picks there...
but I did like:
Louis Vasquez – OG
Austin Collie – WR
Johnny Knox – WR
Antoine Caldwell ….. though, he has only played in 1 game, with no starts so far…
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Oct 23, 2009 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Luigs over Washington in the 4th.
But yeah Pioli also didnt even know the Chiefs yet…..he had to do a cram session just to figure out who he wanted. Plus he had to draft a 34 DE…..
Now he can draft whoever the hell he wants. He has just a couple of NEED picks and the rest can be the best of the pack.
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Oct 23, 2009 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thing is, KC had some OK DTs and no true 4-3 OR 3-4 DEs!!!
McBride’s a true DE. But the Chiefs were hurtin’ up front, and that was the first thing to be addressed.
With the 20+ points production of the offense a good chunk of the time, the decision was to shore up the middle of the d-line and get some true 3-4 types for depth. Getting Tyler down to 295 or so probably set him back in terms of playin’ the middle in the 3-4, but prob’ly helped him be more explosive in a 4-3.
Myself, I was hoping to see Ron Brace come in and just let Boone, Lokey, Dorsey, whatever just play BIG at DE and try to soak up blockers. I was OK with basically runnin’ with 3 DTs in the middle, controlling the middle that way, and lettin’ BIG OLBs play mostly outside the hashes to their respective sides, and runnin’ nickel behind THAT. So a bigger, stronger, if slower, front (basically a 5-man front), the best all-around LB possible to freelance, and 5 DBs to out-quick the opposition.
I think there were two main miscalculations, assuming they were trying to win THIS year:
- The secondary was much more porous than its reputation (although anybody watchin’ the Chiefs last year should’ve known they schemed to protect the secondary)
- The offense needed more help up front than anybody thought, and was a LOT farther from runnin’ the pro set effectively than anybody thought. The ArrowSpread wasn’t FOR Thigpen. It was because of shitty O-Line.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 23, 2009 2:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
well
i wouldnt say the oline needed more help then ANYBODY thought. there were/are quite a few people who wanted oline oline oline drafted last year. how that was overlooked was a big warning sign for me with pioli/haley. dont get me wrong i still have faith it just seemed SO obvious that young talent at that position was needed.
by Hendrix on Oct 24, 2009 3:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why not
Move Kenny Smith to O Line. Left tackle Left gaurd. he is fresh and big could wear a lot of people out. never know. he could be what we have been looking for. shake up that O Line a little bit.
by Charles # 1 chiefs fan on Oct 23, 2009 3:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
my 2 cents
First of all, I have to say again that by the time we got to the 3rd round, Magee was a better option than any of the o linemen available. There were a lot of good linemen in that draft, but most of them went in the first round. In fact, the one I would have liked for us to get went near the end of the 1st round (Michael Oher). I dont believe that many lineman after the 2nd round were any better than cheaper journeymen right now. We could not fill all of the needs in one year, so he picked the best of what was available. Just like trading the 2nd pick for Cassel. What qb from the draft would you rather have had over Cassel? Next year we can get a first round starter ready lineman. I love what Im seeing out of the new regime. Besides, the D will need all of the time the can get to get acclimated to the 3-4. We could get 2 ol and the offense would be night and day.
by Enite on Oct 24, 2009 12:10 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
couldnt disagree more
there was plenty of good interior lineman availiable. franchise left/right tackle? no but good/very good centers, guards? you betcha. caldwell, luigs, vasquez. and the fact that they traded the 2nd for a “franchise” qb made the need to pick up oline help even more prevelant.
by Hendrix on Oct 24, 2009 3:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Since we are on Gilberry
I found this gem of his history filed under: ARSE WHIPPEE of the Week
We will once again be amongst the NFL's elite!!!
by KrazyKreamChief on Oct 24, 2009 6:47 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I hear you Hendrix
I still don’t think anyone left was as good as Magee, but only time will tell. You might be right. But I still think we need 1st or 2nd round talent on the o line. Now if we dont get a good lineman fairly early on in this years draft, then I will be right with you.
by Enite on Oct 25, 2009 2:27 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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