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Chiefs LT Albert Not Doing As Bad As Some Think

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From the FanPosts. Bumped it up to now from last night. Thanks DJ. -Chris

JJ Cooper at AOL Fanhouse has a very nice complilation of sacks allowed for NFL Tackles through Week 5. 

I think it will be pretty eye opening for those under the mistaken impression that Brandon Albert is not suited as an NFL Left Tackle.

Through four games this year, Albert is credited with only 2.5 sacks.  All five of the Chiefs opponents this year rank in the top 10 for sacks this year. 

For context, Jordan Gross, who was a free agent last offseason and was a player many Chiefs fans were hoping Pioli would pick up, has surrendered 5 sacks.  Jake Long, the #1 overall pick in the same draft Albert was selected, has given up 3.  Ryan Clady, Jeff Otah and Joe Thomas have given up 2, only half a sack less than Albert.  Though Cooper apparently forgot about Jacksonville's Eugene Monroe, this article indicates that Monroe had given up 6 sacks through three games (written before Week 5 vs. the Rams).

For those wondering, Ryan O'Callaghan is credited with giving up 1 sack in his short time at Right Tackle.

I thought this particular piece of info regarding TE Sean Ryan was particularly damning:

The Kansas City Chiefs may need to rethink some of their blocking schemes. Tight end Sean Ryan gave up his fifth sack of the season on Sunday against the Redskins. No other tight end in the league has given up more than two sacks this year.

Ryan bounced round to three different teams last year, so he's fortunate to have a starting job, but the Chiefs are asking him to do things that he's not really capable of doing when they ask him to handle defensive ends one-on-one.

This confirms what has frequently been discussed here at AP about the weakness of our tight ends in pass protection.  But even more so maybe its an indication that Haley still has not dumbed down his play calling enough for the talent he has.  Haley has some very nicely drawn up plays, but if the players he has on the roster are not talented enough to execute it, maybe its time to simplify things a bit.

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awesome find DJ!

Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!

I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.

by Lanier63 on Oct 22, 2009 11:35 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

You might want to look at this post as well about our TEs ...

The more sacks I watch, the more I think that max protection is usually a bad idea. The best example of this came in the Chiefs-Eagles game. Facing a third and 25 early in the game, the Chiefs decided to keep a pair of tight ends in to block. Philadelphia sent only four rushers, so Kansas City had what would seem to be an advantage—seven blockers to block four.

But because the blockers were all coming from the outside what actually happened was the Eagles managed to get two pass rushers running past tight end Sean Ryan on one side while Juqua Parker beat tight end Brad Cottam on the other side. While this was happening both Chiefs offensive tackles were left with no one to block. The play turned almost comical. As three Eagles pass rushers come flying past the tight ends for pressure, four of the Chiefs five offensive linemen are blocking no one. By going max protect, the Chiefs did force the Eagles defensive ends to take a wider path to the quarterback, but in return they got to go against significantly worse pass blockers, which is a trade the Eagles will take.

Parker got the sack although an unblocked Trent Cole played a big part in it by forcing Matt Cassell to scramble

by butchcassidy on Oct 23, 2009 12:38 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

A very nice summation of that cluster $%^&

Well said

The Chiefs are on their way to an 11-5 season...I think....

by mushin on Oct 23, 2009 7:32 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice

That’s very comforting.. I like Albert at LT but still wouldn’t be too mad if we used a high pick on a LT

Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.

by 808NaNz808 on Oct 22, 2009 11:53 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I would.

It’s not a position of need right now. There are too many other gaps on the O-Line to worry about replacing a solid player.

by JacinB on Oct 23, 2009 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's not about replacing Albert (who is doing a pretty nice job)

It’s about upgrading the level of TALENT on the line. If we got a 1st rd LT and moved Albert over to guard, we would have the best left side in the league. Albert would be a pro bowl guard for the next 8 years as a guard. As a Tackle, he’s just another guy. With Waters moved over to the right side, that would shore up the right side pretty well with O’Call over there. Upgrade the Center position in the middle rounds and the line would be a strength instead of a detriment.

by Chiefsfan1970 on Oct 23, 2009 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

good explanation...

again, I think it can be accomplished either way, drafting a LT, or keeping Albert at LT…

we’ll see who’s available, and who Pioli likes

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Oct 23, 2009 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Albert is gettin' it done at LT,

then you can land a WHOLE lot more talent for the other positions up front with less-than-a-#1 pick. I’d rather line my pockets with 2nd- and 3rd-rounders for O-Line. You’d still end up being near the top of the league in terms of the quality of the unit, taken as a whole.

And ALL the tackles in the league struggle to stop the outside move of the Allens, Freeneys and, yes, Dumerville’s that are out there.

No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.

by hmills110 on Oct 23, 2009 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't care how we upgrade the line next year

as long as we upgrade two of the spots. One is a center. The other could either be a new LT in the first round and move Abert to G or leave Albert at LT and draft a G in the second or third. As long as Rudy and Goff aren’t starting on opening day, I’ll be happy.

It's a good thing Pioli and Haley aren't running AP or a lot of you guys would of been traded or cut for cast offs from the Pats Pulpit.

by KCporkchop on Oct 22, 2009 11:58 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh my god yes

What’s sad is that replacing just ONE of those two would significantly improve our line. Just ONE of them. That way you only have 1 weak link on the line.

Penn State to Kansas City...Always a winning combination.

by YNinja on Oct 23, 2009 6:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here's hoping that Colin Brown comes back ready to play next year

I have a feeling we’ll need 3 OL’s. Waters is getting a bit long in the tooth.

The Chiefs are on their way to an 11-5 season...I think....

by mushin on Oct 23, 2009 7:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't have very high hopes for Brown

The guy is HUGE and fairly mobile but, he might be too tall to be either a guard or Center. I don’t really know if there is a spot for him unless he is a career backup tackle.

by Chiefsfan1970 on Oct 23, 2009 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's why spending a #1 on another LT doesn't make too much sense.

I think they need to upgrade at more than one spot, and that can be done later, and to good effect. I’d rather bring in 3 or 4 guys, hoping for 2 upgrades than mortgage the ranch for one guy, and then shuffle the other deck chairs around.

No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.

by hmills110 on Oct 23, 2009 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also

I still say we should look at the blocking TE Matthews that NE just cut.

It's a good thing Pioli and Haley aren't running AP or a lot of you guys would of been traded or cut for cast offs from the Pats Pulpit.

by KCporkchop on Oct 23, 2009 12:00 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It's not the sacks

which people have been harping on him for, its the damn penalties.

Welcome to Chiefs REBUILD - Version 2.0 /The Clark Hunt Edition
Chiefs will be lucky to go 4-12 in 2010

by KansasCityShuffle on Oct 23, 2009 12:11 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I encourage you to do the research to find out if that is really an issue

Rather than just relying on your feeling. As you can see from the sack stats, the reality is often very different than the impression you get while emotionally watching a game.

by ChiefDJ on Oct 23, 2009 6:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

it’s kinda hard to tell, just watching a game, who was responsible for a sack or pressure.

the Chiefs seem to run a lot of different protections, and the guards are often pulling or double teaming, and pressure often comes after each lineman locks up on his man (when there’s one more rusher than there are blockers) OR they beat the TE or RB who was supposed to be helping out.

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Oct 23, 2009 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah. Maybe puttin' Ryan or other TE at H-back more often.

I’m not sure what you call it. It’s not QUITE a wing-T formation. But a pair of FBs in front of LJ, with the option of leaving all three back in protection or rammin’ all three at the defense, or some mix. Ryan is definitely not that great up at the line, but he can probably knock a guy off his intended angle by running AT him. LJ’s gotten some decent runs behind Cox and Ryan. Whichever side it’s run to (or UP THE GUT), let the opposite side FB slam the A or B gap, so that Goff/Niswanger/Waters don’t let the penetration blow up the play before it gets started.

No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.

by hmills110 on Oct 23, 2009 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right

It’s not just about sacks. It’s about keeping the defenders out of the QB’s way every play to allow the QB to make the called play.

by wilson123 on Oct 23, 2009 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

true...

but, in general, I believe the OTs have been doing a good job keeping their guy in check, or pushing them out wide

The problem is in the different protections, there are often guys coming unblocked, or the TE/RB are missing the blocks allowing a free run at Cassel.

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Oct 23, 2009 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

All four of them.

by JComp11 on Oct 23, 2009 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes...

I’ve been harking on Sean Ryan ever since the first preseason game against Huston… The guy just isn’t any good at the main facet of the game for a TE and that’s blocking.

Tony Moeaki or Anthony McCoy look that much better then Ryan now. TEs touted for their ability to block as well as catch the ball.

by butchcassidy on Oct 23, 2009 12:32 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

That's one of the big disappointments I have in the talent acquisition "process" so far.

OK, so you gave up a big receiving threat. At LEAST get somebody in to block!

No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.

by hmills110 on Oct 23, 2009 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good work, Deej...

Ryan is awful all around…

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by woodman212 on Oct 23, 2009 1:21 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

didn't we once have a couple of good tight ends around here???

I forget their names though… anyway… what’s funny, is that I’ve been one of haley’s biggest detractors around here, but I thought one of the few things he was doing well, was dumbing down the offense. It helps to prevent turnovers and with a short adjustment period, guys are still learning, they need to master a few base plays…..

by callmesir on Oct 23, 2009 7:01 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

great fanpost, wreck

Its funny…. this is exactly what I wrote about in the preaseason… interesting that the trend continues, and hasn’t really been addressed…

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2009/8/23/999557/play-by-play-analysis-uncovers-the

* The WORST pass blocker on most plays was…. Sean Ryan he whiffed repeately (at least 4 times) when trying to help on the right side, making us think the RT were terrible, when in fact, they were on their man, but someone came right by the TE outside of the RT.

* a close 2nd worst, and not a good run blocker… Mike Goff missed 1 pass block, and 2 run blocks that I saw.

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Oct 23, 2009 8:07 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Your post was the one I had in mind

And I was pretty sure you wrote it but couldn’t remember and couldn’t find it doing a quick search before posting.

by ChiefDJ on Oct 23, 2009 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yep...

it’s interesting that it hasn’t improved since then… and I haven’t heard the Coaches say much about it

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Oct 23, 2009 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Solid reporting stag 'n' dj.

No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.

by hmills110 on Oct 23, 2009 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great post DJ.......

Makes me want to slide blocking TE higher on the draft board. So maybe prioritize as follows: S, OLB, C, G, NT, TE with WR/KR in late rounds or free agency….No matter how we do it, it really is starting to shape up that the bulk of the O-line problem is the interior…

by Hail2DaChiefs on Oct 23, 2009 8:24 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

yep...

I think you’re right on.

Blocking TE can be found late in the draft, or on the waiver wire….

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Oct 23, 2009 8:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't quite agree with your priorites there

How bout this:

C, G, RB,OLB, NT, S, WR/KR, TE

The fact that the team has 0 rushing TD’s through week 7 has got to be the top priority for next year, be it free agency or the draft.

The Chiefs are on their way to an 11-5 season...I think....

by mushin on Oct 23, 2009 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

well

C is #1, IMO…
but a playmaker on defense should command the #1 pick….Berry, Berry or Berry in the first round

I wouldn’t be surprised to see a RB and a WR in the draft… though, don’t forget that they spent late round picks on both, as developmental projects…. Lawrence and Williams could figure into the plans for next year

I agree that the team needs help at G… but I would also contend that there are some good possibilities at G on the team already… so I won’t cry if they don’t get a great G in the draft….
I may cry if they don’t get a C, though

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Oct 23, 2009 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yup Center is a big problem for us. Rudy should stay on as a backup.

Ndukwe COULD be a nice guard too. I still think we should draft the best O-lineman out there with our first pick (LT) and move Albert to an interior position. It’s not that I don’t think he can effectively play LT because he seems to do okay. It’s more of the fact that it would be the best way to SERIOUSLY upgrade the talent level on the line. Albert would quickly become the best Guard in the NFL. And we would have another 1st rounder at LT.

Okung, Albert, Draft pick, Waters, O’ Call

Alleman, Niswanger, Ndukwe, Smith, Richardson, and Brown to pick from for depth. I think we could have a pretty stellar O-line there boys.

by Chiefsfan1970 on Oct 23, 2009 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Still think they need to nab a RB

Here’s to hoping Kolby Smith explodes on the scene next week.

The Chiefs are on their way to an 11-5 season...I think....

by mushin on Oct 23, 2009 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

Its looking like we’re going to need a new RB, but I think we need to get the O-line situation fixed first. Otherwise that RB will be running up other guys backs too.

by ChiefDJ on Oct 23, 2009 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not with the #1 pick, mushin.

Set the table.

No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.

by hmills110 on Oct 23, 2009 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

1970... I tend to agree

I am somewhat indifferent to moving Albert and drafting a Tackle, or keeping Albert at LT and drafting a G…

Now that I say that, i’m kinda leaning towards keeping Albert in place…
Albert and O’Callaghan have the T spots in decent shape, Waters should be around another year, at most…Niswanger needs to be upgraded or moved to G…

The Chiefs would have a glut of Gs on the roster… Ndukwe, Alleman, Brown, Waters, Niswanger, Smith (hopefully Goff is gone)… but a lack of depth at tackle.

I think I would draft the best damn Center out there, a mid round Tackle… maybe not even take a G at all.

for 2010
Albert, Waters, Rookie C, Ndukwe, O’Callaghan starters
Rookie T, Alleman, Smith, Brown, Richardson as backups

for 2011, they’ll need a new LG

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Oct 23, 2009 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think I'd be alright with that.

Niswanger is good, and he’s a smart player. He’s just too tall to be a good Center.

by JacinB on Oct 23, 2009 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

RT and C.

I’m not sold on O’Callaghan. Just because he’s better than what we’ve had in recent memory doesn’t mean he’s the all-around tackle we need. I’d prob’ly go RT before I went C in the draft, just because talent is harder to get and more important at bookend. But it’d all depend on how the draft fell, and how I felt about O’Callaghan at the end of the season.

No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.

by hmills110 on Oct 23, 2009 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It is completely illogical to want to move Albert to Guard

You can find Guards all over the 3rd and later rounds of the draft that will play well at Guard and Center. Will Shields was a 3rd round pick. Brian Waters was undrafted.

You do not need 1st round picks playing Guard.

Left Tackle is the position that is difficult to find. People would realize that Albert is a Left Tackle that was playing out of position in college because they had an overabundance of talent at that position at Virginia, and just embrace the fact that he is doing a damn fine job there, and will continue to get better.

Its not as though the offensive line is the ONLY need of this team. Yes it is the glaring major one and it MUST be fixed, but there are also giant holes at pass rusher, linebacker, running back and wide receiver that MUST be addressed as well.

So rather than taking a very good player and moving him to a position that you could fill in the 4th round and spend that high pick on a player that would at best be marginally better than what Albert is already doing, lets get some upgrades at other positions where the changes will be much more dramatic.

by ChiefDJ on Oct 23, 2009 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

It just depends on how high of a priority you are putting on the line.

A first round pick at LT like Okung for example is a can’t miss guy. Albert would be a perrennial Pro Bowler at guard. At LT he is pretty much just another guy. If you go for a 3rd round O-lineman, you are gambling on the possibility of a whiff or a “developmental player” which I think we can all agree, we are tired of seeing.

Yes you are right that you can get serviceable players for the line in the mid rounds but, if you REALLY want to beef up this line to be one of the best in the league (which is exactly what I’d like to see) you’ll have to be willing to spend that first rounder on a stud.

by Chiefsfan1970 on Oct 23, 2009 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

AND

 Pioli doesn’t care in what round a guy was drafted by Carl….

He might ignore the fact that Albert was a 1st rounder, use him however he wants, and draft the biggest upgrade he can.

I think he should do exactly that

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Oct 23, 2009 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would argue

That if Albert hadn’t played Guard in college, but had been played Left Tackle and had the identical results he has in the NFL, NOBODY would be talking about drafting another Tackle and moving him to Guard.

The idea of it is ludicrous.

by ChiefDJ on Oct 23, 2009 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

There is no such thing as a "can't miss" guy

Albert has Left Tackle nailed down for the next 7 or 8 years. We need to be looking at the weaknesses on the interior line and be evaluating O’Callaghan at RT.

Your comment that "If you go for a 3rd round O-lineman you are gambling on the possibility of a whiff or a “developmental player” flies in the face of NFL draft history. No team can afford a team full of 1st round picks on the offensive line and no team in the NFL has that. The majority of Centers and Guards in the NFL were picked in the 3rd or later rounds. Very few of them were picked in the 1st or 2nd.

And though it is against the conventional wisdom, you don’t HAVE to have the best offensive line in the NFL to be a dominant team. The Patriots offensive line has never been dominant. Neither has the modern day Steelers or Colts. None of those teams have an offensive line stacked solely with 1st and 2nd round picks.

The key is having a good UNIT on the offensive line, not a group of good individuals.

Having the same offensive scheme for more than one year at a time would be helpful as well.

by ChiefDJ on Oct 23, 2009 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

or at least for an entire preseason!

that last minute change set the Chiefs back 6 weeks, at least

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Oct 23, 2009 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Touche

The Chiefs are on their way to an 11-5 season...I think....

by mushin on Oct 23, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think it set 'em back 6 weeks.

I think it, and other nicks (like Alleman’s shoulder and Ndukwe’s neck, and an untoward loyalty toward Goff…) have made it take 6+ weeks for things to develop, but the 6 weeks of struggle is more about the shitty quality last year and last offseason.

No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.

by hmills110 on Oct 23, 2009 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jahari Evans is the best Linemen in the NFL...

And he is a LG. I really doubt that switching positions for albert would make him the best in the league. I think he could do it though. I think we should draft Berry. Our Safeties are arguably worse then our OL. Seriousl!

by darwithabar on Oct 24, 2009 3:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree wholeheartdly on the center

Free Agency is going to be a crap shoot next year with the CBA. Who knows who is going to be available. If the cap goes away though, there will be more trades.

I think that the defense is much closer than the offense. Jackson and Dorsey will have a year in the 3-4 under their belts so the ends should be improved next year.

OLB’s are ridiculously undervalued in the draft, and they should be able to find someone to start sharing time and learning from Vrabel in the 3rd round

The pesky NT is an issue, but if they dont take Suh, they are only going to find developmental guys. Edwards has been stout. They should be able to get by. The NT’s are ridiculously overprice in free agency though.

They have to address the RB, OL issue, but there is no top 10 RB available. And there may be a riot if they draft a C in the top 10.

I may vomit if they draft another defensive lineman with their first pick.

The Chiefs are on their way to an 11-5 season...I think....

by mushin on Oct 23, 2009 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

OLB

I agree that a developmental pass rusher would be smart to get in the mid to later rounds, assuming Vrabel is here next year.

NT… I could see them taking one in the 2nd, and letting him learn behind Edwards as well.

No way they take a C in the first, the best one should still be there for the 2nd round picks, and a good one in the 3rd.

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Oct 23, 2009 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

also, we need to look @ a serious deep threat @ WR. Bowe is good at making the tough catch in traffic and has great hands(when he wants to) but he isn’t a speed guy, and we need one to stretch the field to force opposing secondaries to open up the middle 3rd more.

the O line is still my biggest area of concern. We need to get this running game going, or Cassel is gonna continue to get throttled, and his career may end sooner than it should.

I wouldn’t mind moving Albert to LG, because I don’t see Waters being here too much longer. We need to draft for quality depth on the o line, and honestly, I don’t think we’re too far away, but Goff has GOT to go, and Rudy needs to either learn a new position or hit the bricks.

the core D is there, we just need an intimidating safety, depth on the d-line, and a guy to replace Vrabel.

by reedeasy on Oct 23, 2009 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

can't argue with you there

a deep threat at WR is a nice to have…

though, again, I contend that the WR would look pretty good if Cassel had more time to throw, and the running game got going, allowing for better play calls

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Oct 23, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yup

we’re not too far away! I think that Pioli will have a hugely successful draft in 2010 with his own scouts in there….

by reedeasy on Oct 23, 2009 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not just that

But now that we have stockpiled some picks and hopefully wont be drafting top 3, we might see a lot of wheeling and dealing for more draft spots.

Trading a our first (probably in the 8-14 range) for something in the first 20’s range and another second. That’d be a fun draft day.

Predictions.
1. Tank Tyler will end up surprising everyone and be the anchor of our line.
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"

by Jux on Oct 23, 2009 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're on it, stag

No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.

by hmills110 on Oct 23, 2009 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What we need to upgrade
  1. Nebraska #93 or Wilfork.
  2. LT and move Albert he is not dominant at LT better suited to play G.
  3. Is a #1 TE
  4. Center
  5. OLB
  6. KR/PR/ SPEED WR, Golden Tate, James from Florida, #11 from VT, or Holliday from LSU
  7. FB comp for Cox / #2 FB

by kcchiefstd on Oct 23, 2009 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here's the top 3 rated C's according to Scout's Inc

John Estes C Hawaii
Matt Tennant C BC
Justin Walton C Baylor

Estes rates out the highest and he’s a late 2nd or early 3rd.

The Chiefs are on their way to an 11-5 season...I think....

by mushin on Oct 23, 2009 9:12 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

O'Dowd

I think he’ll come out and be the # 1 center.

But, I’d take any one of those 4

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Oct 23, 2009 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Has anyone checked on how well the top 3 centers are doing

from this past years draft? I know they may be playing Guard, but how has their adjustment to the NFL level been in terms of play?

Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!

I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.

by Lanier63 on Oct 23, 2009 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think I want Estes.

Putting a guy from Hawaii here is like taking Sanchez to the Meadowlands. You get a guy who’s used to playing in 60+ degrees all year and put him in the frigid temps of Arrowhead in, well, October through December and he’s going to suck.

by JacinB on Oct 23, 2009 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think a lot of people are assuming we will have a top 5 draft pick

but I don’t think we will. I’m guessing we’ll be around #8 or so. By then, the top 3 left tackles could be gone already. Plus there is a good chance we could find a team that would want to move up to grab a QB like McCoy or Bradford. Chances are that we won’t be in the position to draft one of the top left tackles, so I don’t see a point in even considering it. Albert is playing fine and LT is not even close to our biggest need. If you just want to upgrade the interior offensive line then use mid-round picks. Don’t waste a chance at taking the best player at a position in order to fill a “need” that isn’t even a real need.

by Vince D on Oct 23, 2009 11:16 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

you may be right

Cleveland, Detroit, St Louis, Tampa, Tenn, Oakland, Buffalo… there’s a chance all of them could be ahead of KC…

I would LOVE to see a trade down for more picks… IF Okung and Berry are not available.

They could take a Spikes, Norwood type LB late in the first, and pick up another 2nd and another pick… that could help net some more good players.

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Oct 23, 2009 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That all depends on what you consider "upgrading"

Every team has mid round picks playing on their lines but, the BEST O-lines have several high draft picks. It would be nice at this point to just have a decent line but, If you REALLY wanted to upgrade, you draft the best LT available (assuming there is one, like you said) and scoot Albert on over.

by Chiefsfan1970 on Oct 23, 2009 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

we'll see who's available... and if a trade-down is possible

All I can say is that it had better be a CLEAR upgrade over Albert, otherwise, it would be a mistake to move Albert

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Oct 23, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

why?

you could use a second rounder on a interior lineman and that would be a high draft pick. if we were talking about the #1 overall pick here and you wanted to be safe, then i wouldn’t oppose drafting a left tackle. but i do not understand at all why you’d waste a top 10 pick on a LT when you could have the top player at another position of need: WR, SS, TE, etc.

by Vince D on Oct 23, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

BERRY!!!!

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Oct 23, 2009 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Berry nice but S one of are BIGGEST strengths wasted pick if we take him that high

Top Picks NEED to upgrade NT unless we get Wilfork,
LT because Albert can DOMINATE at G.
OLB to replace Vrabel

Also other points we DO NOT need

 RB Smith, Charles, and Savage more than capable of carrying this team.

S Brown will still be good next year and with McGraw, Page and Morgan no need to bring in anyone.

WR except for KR/PR Cassel is just not delivering the ball right now. would not be upset if we drafted Green from Geogia or Jones from Alabama though only two I see as upgrade for us.

by kcchiefstd on Oct 23, 2009 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think we'll be picking top 3

This team has shown zero improvment so far this year.

by ChiefDJ on Oct 23, 2009 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

a win is an improvement

special teams is much improved
run defense is better
QB is better

there are improvements… just not where they need to be YET.

If the Chiefs get to 4 wins, they may easily be out of the top 5

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Oct 23, 2009 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

kicker is better, too :)

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Oct 23, 2009 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Connor Barth could have made those FG’s.

by JComp11 on Oct 23, 2009 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was joking. See stag’s sig.

by JComp11 on Oct 23, 2009 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

well played, sir

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Oct 23, 2009 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It is undeniable

The offensive line is still a mess. The Defense is getting run over even worse than last year. The running game stinks. The return game stinks. Pioli drafted not one, but two defensive linemen who will take a few years to develop and so are not contributing.

That doesn’t mean that I don’t think things WILL improve. But I think that improvment will come next year when they can add more players, not this year.

I think Matt Cassel is a better QB than Huard or Thigpen, but he can’t do anything without those other ingredients. He suffers from the same problems they did.

The sole area that I see a marked improvment is Ryan Succop as Kicker.

by ChiefDJ on Oct 23, 2009 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

"The Defense is getting run over even worse than last year."

Incorrect.

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Oct 23, 2009 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess where we disagree is on the defense (yes the offense still sucks)

I think our defense is MUCH better than it was last year. There have been a few big plays here and there but, they have shown a lot of toughness. The level of consistency is improving each week. The pass rush is better and we are WAY WAY better against the run. Also, we are pinning our opponents back a lot which is definitely giving our defense a better chance at success.

Even though I mostly agree about the offense, I think Cassel makes the offense better by himself for sure. He has played pretty mistake free football and seems to have the ability to make things happen at the end.

Granted this team is not where I’m sure all of us would like it to be but, it is MUCH better than last year.

by Chiefsfan1970 on Oct 23, 2009 3:01 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

exactly

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Oct 23, 2009 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Ryan sucks at blocking why dont we put

Cottam in there to protect? He is a better blocker, IMO.

by Wrestler189s on Oct 23, 2009 3:41 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

He's been in Haley's doghouse since mini camp

Not a whole lot out there on why, but he sure hasn’t been on the field too often. Not even in preseason

The Chiefs are on their way to an 11-5 season...I think....

by mushin on Oct 23, 2009 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs


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