New Chiefs NT Kenny Smith Could be Playing Soon

see the quote in my fanshot...

i think Haley eluded to the idea that Favorite could just as easily be playing as Smith.

I’m guessing that because they had one active roster spot, one PS spot… they wanted to have both guys practice, and play which ever was looking most ready.

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Oct 21, 2009 6:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Favorite is the project.

I like his chances to eventually come into the main lineup. He’s obviously got some raw talent and this guy we picked up from off the street seems to be a temporary fix, even if he is as huge as Haley says.

by scottbwalters on Oct 21, 2009 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I hope Favorite is the.... hold for it..... FAVORITE lol lol

But seriously it’s always nicer to have a young guy step up

Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.

by 808NaNz808 on Oct 21, 2009 6:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

agreed

I think the “all LSU” defensive line would be pretty sweet, too

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Oct 21, 2009 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs

But Smith has "bear mitts", how can you not want them to go with good OLD Kenny "Bear Mitts"?

It's a good thing Pioli and Haley aren't running AP or a lot of you guys would of been traded or cut for cast offs from the Pats Pulpit.

by KCporkchop on Oct 21, 2009 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs

Yep

they could be the Athos, Porthos, & Aramis to Bowe’s d’Artagnan!
All for one, & one for all!

by ttownmikey on Oct 21, 2009 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

wow

I don’t know whether to be impressed or to make fun of you for knowing all of their names :)

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Oct 21, 2009 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Had to google

Aramis & spelling of d’Artagnan to be perfectly honest! Don’t need any misconceptions on here! :)

by ttownmikey on Oct 21, 2009 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i might have

pulled the boondock saints reference thats just me

by PSUkegreen on Oct 21, 2009 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Have you ever read that book

I read the Three Musketeers a couple of years ago and I have to say it is one incredibly good book. I liked the movies, but they didn’t begin to touch what the real story puts together. I would recommend it to anyone.

Chiefs go 9-7. LJ makes 1400 yards. DBowe makes 1200 yards. Defense #18.

by Zodeman on Oct 21, 2009 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not the original

Dumas version but a couple of shorter versions. I’m more of a Louis L’Amour fan than the Classics but I’ll make it a point to read this one on your say-so!

by ttownmikey on Oct 21, 2009 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

We must be really desperate...

really really desperate….we just passed on anyone and everyone so we could get a dude that hasn’t played in the NFL in 6 years? What

So either Pioli and Haley are mad genius’ or they are out leagued here in KC and we need a mastermind like Schotty or Vermeil back.

by krayfish on Oct 21, 2009 6:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

All I have to say is

This puts 53 off the street into a whole new category. I mean seriously, WTF? Smith is really off the street. The man hasn’t played in years. I’m hoping for the mad genius, but this move seems more mad than anything else. OK trade Tyler IF you have someone really special to fill in his place. IF for peet sakes. Smith does not fit into really special IMHO. But what’s done is done. I guess I’m just left scratching my head and wondering if they’re just trying to tread water this season, with hopes of stockpiling enough pics for the future. Still tho… this is all leaving a bad taste in my mouth.

by Eastcoastransplant on Oct 21, 2009 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

it's funny to me

that everyone is so worked up about this guy.

again, i say

he’s probably not even going to be on the roster by week 8

he’s probably not even going to play much

it’s not that big of a deal

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Oct 21, 2009 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

When we are so thin at NT

It seems like a bigger deal.

by Eastcoastransplant on Oct 21, 2009 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

meh

Edwards is holding it down

if he goes out, they may use more of the nickel package, and/or work Magee in more often

I don’t think Smith will see much action

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Oct 21, 2009 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I"m a big supporter of Pioli and Haley

and I have to agree that this sequence of moves is incredibly questionable. I mean, none of us get to see what these guys see in practice, workouts, and on tape. But, seriously? To cut a young guy like Tyler who must have potential for someone who clearly, simply cannot have any real potential is amazing. I cannot even fathom how someone absent the NFL for 6 years can be on ANY value. I don’t care if you’ve kept yourself in physical condition, that’s not the same as being ready for NFL games. I really am amazed at this.

Air Cassel - approved for takeoff

by kabrink on Oct 21, 2009 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

apparently he had

the best work-out of the four that they looked at or he had a better grasp of the schemes that we run.

by ttownmikey on Oct 21, 2009 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

It's easy to know schemes

When you don’t have to take a snap in half a decade.

by AlanSimpson on Oct 22, 2009 12:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

If they can fill the spot (do as well as Tank did, or better) then it's a big plus

since they also gained a fifth round pick. Creating competetion I guess.

by jcox31mc on Oct 21, 2009 6:29 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs

exactly

IF the 5th round pick is spent wisely… it’s a huge gain
as long as someone can back up Edwards

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Oct 21, 2009 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

There's the IF

again. See above. Why go with an big IF? I mean draft pics are IF to begin with, now we are double IF’ing here. Potential draft pics and a player that hasn’t played in forever. Seems super tenuous logic to me. That’s directed at Haley and co btw.

by Eastcoastransplant on Oct 21, 2009 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

well...

Great teams and dynasties are built by stockpiling draft picks and making trades when value is there.

Mediocre teams are made by keeping players that don’t fit, just because they are afraid to make a change.

I liked Tank, but a 5th round pick IS good value for him, and he ISN’T an ideal NT… so why not make a move?

The backup NTs brought in are stopgaps/fillers… and nothing to be concerned about

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Oct 21, 2009 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't disagree with you

However in order to build for the future you also have to be cognizant (yup just used the word cognizant :) of the present. Can’t build for the future without developing and creating a strong foundation in the present.

by Eastcoastransplant on Oct 21, 2009 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

agreed

Favorite could be a building block for the future
the 5th round pick surely is for a player that they want to be a building block
Smith is a stopgap (again, I believe it may only be for a week or two) until a longer term solution takes shape

I’m willing to give these 2 guys a shot (Smith, Favorite) considering there’s little investment, little risk, no cost (for trade or draft picks)

Look at some of the “no names” that HAVE worked out… Mike Richardson (so far), Terrance Copper (can’t believe I’m saying that), Jovan Belcher, Cory Mays, Ryan O’Callaghan…

I’m not saying one of these guys will stick… but they COULD stick. And, even if they dont’… the Chiefs are no worse off

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Oct 21, 2009 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah

I’ll give you that for sure. Copper – who would’a thunk it? The man is a special teams specialist. And may or may not be here next year. If Mays learns to tackle better, he’ll be around – I think. There are some no names that are working out. But again, that is in comparison to what? To the mediocrity we are used to?

I agree with you, that we are no worse for the moves. However, you don’t want to have so much turnover in personnel each season that it’s like we are rebuilding over and over again. Last year was a rebuilding year. This year is again a rebuilding year. That’s b/c of a new system, new coaches and a lot of new players. I don’t want to have a tonne of new players again next year that have to learn it all again.

Yes we need better talent at a host of positions. So, sigh, yes we do need new players. And will get them with draft pics. I’m just frustrated that who I thought (even with their mediocrity of play) was going to be around to build with, and upon, keep going and again there’s new nobody’s to fill the space.

I had enough of that rotating roster last year.

OK, enough kvetching. I’m with you.

by Eastcoastransplant on Oct 21, 2009 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs

To clarify

[I agree with you, that we are no worse for the moves]

I just wanted to be better for them. Not settling for equal to what was already mediocre.

by Eastcoastransplant on Oct 21, 2009 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

cant' argue there...

I dont’ want to rebuild next year either.

that’s why I’ll accept a bunch of turnover this year, as they remake the team in the image they want…

but, eventually they have to have a winner in place, and just continue to improve it with minor changes, not “rebuilds”

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Oct 21, 2009 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

So which is it,

Pioli and company are doing things to win the games at hand, or are they simply looking to the future already?
These moves DO NOT appear to answer both very positively.

by BCRavenJHawkfan on Oct 21, 2009 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think it can be a little bit of both

assuming they were happy with Edwards, and weren’t factoring Tank into the immediate or long term plans…

they still plan to play Edwards and hopefully win some games… so they work out 4 NTs to find him a backup for now.

Of the 4 they worked out, one is older, but has some NFL experience and Pioli knows him… the other is an undrafted rookie free agent…

they have an open spot on the active roster, and one on the Practice squad… so they sign the vet to the active roster, and the rookie to the PS…. so both can get a full week of practice in before the game.

Whichever looks the best will be the backup for Edwards, and see limited time. IF it’s the rookie that looks better, the vet could be cut, to clear a roster spot. IF it’s the vet that looks better, well.. he’s there on the roster.

The long term plan probably does include a guy like WIlfork or a draft pick at NT….the short term is Ron Edwards and one of these guys as a backup.

The long term plan also requires a lot of fresh faces from the next couple drafts… so the 5th that they got for Tank helps, especially in a strong draft class.

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Oct 21, 2009 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs

Fair enough, and sounds reasonable.

by BCRavenJHawkfan on Oct 21, 2009 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

stag makes some sense - on rare occasion

Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!

by upamtn on Oct 21, 2009 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

ha, thanks:)

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Oct 21, 2009 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not to be an ass

it will be a process, but we of AP will work it through together :)

We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram

by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 21, 2009 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

little risk?

Edwards can get hurt on the first play of the game this week. Hell, he can get hurt in practice tomorrow and we’re inserting a guy 6 years absent from NFL to play NT? The issue isn’t that he’s a “no name”, it’s that he has been gone for so long. It seems plainly and simply absurd for anyone to expect this guy to be able to perform.

Air Cassel - approved for takeoff

by kabrink on Oct 21, 2009 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

which is why all of us here at AP must pray for the continued good health of Ron Edwards

… either that or more broken fingers or something

Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!

by upamtn on Oct 22, 2009 12:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

re: little risk?

But he knows how to play the NT position. That’s much more comforting than plugging in a player who’s played 4-3 all their life. I’d be just as nervous about putting Tank in at NT for a full game, because that’s just not the position he was built for.

by Jon Yoon on Oct 22, 2009 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Maybe we should have him shake hands with Rivers before the game

Break his little pinkie finger!

I don't want no Yo-Yos

by AK_47 on Oct 21, 2009 6:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I can see it now

the Chargers are driving down with time running out. Edwards is gassed and has to come out. Its fourth and goal, Rivers drops back, he’s got Gates wide open in the endzone, he throws, and out of no where a giant “bear mitt” plucks the ball out of mid air and saves the day for KC.

It's a good thing Pioli and Haley aren't running AP or a lot of you guys would of been traded or cut for cast offs from the Pats Pulpit.

by KCporkchop on Oct 21, 2009 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

that's funny... but would be sweet.

how about…

Make Smith a captain, so he has to shake Rivers’ hand (assuming Rivers is a captain)

:)

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Oct 21, 2009 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think we're on to something...

Maybe Pioli does actually have a plan

I don't want no Yo-Yos

by AK_47 on Oct 21, 2009 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

one could also assume that a man with big 'bear mitts' also has a bear sized...

foot. And therefore wears bear sized cleats.
Maybe he could step on River’s big toe while shaking hands and crushing said pinkie. :) Who’s to say he can’t multi-task?

by Eastcoastransplant on Oct 21, 2009 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs

nice :)

It's a good thing Pioli and Haley aren't running AP or a lot of you guys would of been traded or cut for cast offs from the Pats Pulpit.

by KCporkchop on Oct 21, 2009 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

What A JOKE!!

Prepare for more handicap parking, the chiefs are bringing in an oldie! The seats will be full of fans using walkers and canes remembering the good old days when Kenny Smith was actually good!!! Wow, what are we thinking? I thought the point of picking up Free Agents was to pick up players who still play the game, not ex players who won their fantasy league last year.

RYAN SKINNER

by Active Insider on Oct 21, 2009 7:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Bringing in a guy that has been around for some time

and has experience in the 3-4 might not be a bad thing for our young DLine. He might not give us a ton of production, but he may be valuable to the young d-linemen we have on the team that are learning how to play the 3-4 style.

by vincent2668 on Oct 21, 2009 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

So that's how you make the team

Break Haley’s hand when you meet him? This is the first legit NT we have had on the team, correct? Hasn’t everyone else been 4-3 DT that we were trying to convert?

by vincent2668 on Oct 21, 2009 8:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I think so (but don't quote me)

Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!

by upamtn on Oct 21, 2009 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I want him as one of the team captains

“You shake his hand and he’s got bear mitts. He caught my pinkie quick. I had to yank it out of there. He’ll crush you.

Then he can be out there for the coin toss and to shake hands with the opposing QB

"There are few secrets in football. So execute." ~Coach Stram
"I think it's the fans. The place is crazy. It's a good crazy, if you're Kansas City." ~Coach Schottenheimer

by Bad Medicine on Oct 21, 2009 9:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Obviously it, like all Pioli/Haley moves, is brilliant

by FrankPitts on Oct 21, 2009 10:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I wouldn’t say it’s brilliant, but I don’t get the big deal either.

Yes, I wonder if there are better options out there but it’s not like the guy costs much. If he works out, great. If not, he’s gone and someone else will get a shot.

by bh13 on Oct 21, 2009 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Jeff George is still available!

Air Cassel - approved for takeoff

by kabrink on Oct 21, 2009 10:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

oh hush Jason

"There are few secrets in football. So execute." ~Coach Stram
"I think it's the fans. The place is crazy. It's a good crazy, if you're Kansas City." ~Coach Schottenheimer

by Bad Medicine on Oct 21, 2009 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

He's a real NT

Good move IMO to bring in a guy with potential to be a starter at a NT. Clearly they didn’t think Tank had that potential. Rotate guys in, do whatever.

If you can get a 5th rounder for a guy you don’t think helps you very much you do it.

by AlanSimpson on Oct 22, 2009 12:07 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

"If you can get a 5th rounder for a guy you don’t think helps you very much you do it."

That’s why I have mixed feelings about the whole trade. He was good in rotation, I can’t count how many times i seen him taking on 2 blockers… I dunno. If he was doing good in the rotation then why give him up for someone who hasn’t played ball in 6 years?

Maybe this guy will be good to but I won’t judge him after one game that’s for sure. Replace a back up another back up just means Smith is far behind in the play book. Hopefully he pans out and causes havoc in the back field. We shall see!

The difference between a good and bad day, isn't what changes in your day...It's what changes in you.

by rdubz on Oct 22, 2009 1:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs