Chiefs RB Kolby Smith Practices for First Time in Nearly a Year
by Joel Thorman on Oct 21, 2009 11:51 AM CDT
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Kansas City Chiefs running back Kolby Smith was injured in a loss to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers on November 2nd, 2008. Nearly a year later, he's back at practice.
Smith started the season on the Physically Unable to Perform (PUP) list meaning he would be inactive (and not count against the active roster) for the first six games.
Well, it's been six games and Mr. Smith is practicing. The Chiefs now have three weeks from today to activate him or send him to IR. If they choose to activate him, someone will need to be released to make room for him. If he's sent to IR, he will be done for the season.
Per Josh Looney at KCChiefs.com, he has a "body by Haley". He's been working out in no man's land since the start of training camp.
Judging by his numbers, Smith's time with the Chiefs have been average. The former fifth round pick carried the ball 112 times his rookie year for a 3.6 average. The following season he started three games and carried the ball 35 times for 300 100 yards. The Chiefs offensive line hasn't gotten markedly better since then.
Looney describes him as a mix of LJ and Jamaal Charles.
Smith offers a wrinkle that the Chiefs rushing attack could certainly use," Looney writes. "He represents a runner unlike any others currently on the roster. Smith is a little bit Larry Johnson and a little bit Jamaal Charles, making him a perfect complement to the Chiefs two most active running backs."
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This may be the best pickup we have had so far.
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.
by BigRedChief on Oct 21, 2009 11:55 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh really?
I’m going to have to reserve judgement on this one. Liked Kolby some last year, but I’m not convinced that he’s better than Savage…
"Every day is an evaluation and if you’re not out there how can we depend on you? If you’re out there and you don’t know what to do, how can we depend on you?" Accountability -- Haley-style...
by Chief_Elmo on Oct 21, 2009 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He has more size than Savage
He will definitely have an easier time shedding blockers
The Chiefs are on their way to an 11-5 season...I think....
by mushin on Oct 21, 2009 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have always liked Smith
glad hes back. Hope he can be 100% and use him like he was in the Raider game.
by Wrestler189s on Oct 21, 2009 12:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Huge, HUGE
this guy in shape…if that knee is 100 percent…hes our best special teams RB…and the guy may very well help out our run game…Anyone remember the 150 he dropped on oakland? he has some nice moves, good burst…Im sure he comes back, I wonder who loses a roster spot…there are a few options…Walters possibly since he hasnt really played…Richardson if Albert gets healthy, then could go back to the PS bumping the DT who moves up and bumps kenny smith…my assumption is we signed smith to our active roster since he isnt PS eligible, and the other guy is…I wouldnt say smith is ahead of him, he just gets a first crack at it due to eligibility.
by SDChief on Oct 21, 2009 12:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Joel
You said “carried the ball 35 times for 300 yards”…I think you meant 100 yards ;)
by jmcgoblue on Oct 21, 2009 12:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Doh
10 yards a carry, 3 yards a carry, whatever… :) Thanks J!
by Joel Thorman on Oct 21, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looney
Josh Looney predicted that he would practice this week, and be activated over the bye so that he could suit up against Jacksonville. The sooner to better to me. It would be an extra bonus if he could help us beat the Chargers this week.
by zbschiefs on Oct 21, 2009 12:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Would be nice, but
keep in mind he hasn’t had contact until now. He needs a couple of weeks being hit to see how he does.
I remember Dawson to Taylor, Kenney to Carson, and Blackledge catching the snap in his facemask. Seen it all...
by BinSC on Oct 21, 2009 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he has a chance to be our feature back in the near future
If he can outperform Johnson consistantly over the first few games he’ll move into the startign role. He has the size, power, and agility. This is going to be a huge boost to our running game regardless of his depth position.
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by Shawn on Oct 21, 2009 12:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Never thought I'd say these words
but he very well may be the best back on our roster
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by KansasCityShuffle on Oct 21, 2009 12:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think thats twice this week that I've agreed with you Shuffle.
What the hell is going on?
It's a good thing Pioli and Haley aren't running AP or a lot of you guys would of been traded or cut for cast offs from the Pats Pulpit.
by KCporkchop on Oct 21, 2009 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You hate me
because you love me.
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by KansasCityShuffle on Oct 21, 2009 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
next thing you know
you’ll have duped me into joining your Bernard Pollard fan club.
It's a good thing Pioli and Haley aren't running AP or a lot of you guys would of been traded or cut for cast offs from the Pats Pulpit.
by KCporkchop on Oct 21, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't do it.
Don’t cross over…
I remember Dawson to Taylor, Kenney to Carson, and Blackledge catching the snap in his facemask. Seen it all...
by BinSC on Oct 21, 2009 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm onto the Tank Tyler fanclub
Get with it.
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by KansasCityShuffle on Oct 21, 2009 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
should of seen that coming
It's a good thing Pioli and Haley aren't running AP or a lot of you guys would of been traded or cut for cast offs from the Pats Pulpit.
by KCporkchop on Oct 21, 2009 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is a bit funny...
Have to admit that when I read this:
“…Smith is a little bit Larry Johnson and a little bit Jamaal Charles…”
I thought to myself — oh geez, that’s just freaking great!!! Now, we’ll have a running back that runs really super fast into the back of our offensive line and then falls over, dropping the ball in the process of falling over…
Seriously, I like Kolby, but he has alot to prove…
"Every day is an evaluation and if you’re not out there how can we depend on you? If you’re out there and you don’t know what to do, how can we depend on you?" Accountability -- Haley-style...
by Chief_Elmo on Oct 21, 2009 12:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If you put it that way...
Please cut him now.
The Chiefs are on their way to an 11-5 season...I think....
by mushin on Oct 21, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great
So does Savage get cut if they activate K. Smith? I always thought K. Smith was the protegee of Priest Holmes.
by Arrowhead816 on Oct 21, 2009 12:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think so
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Oct 21, 2009 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
CUT LJ THE KOLBY SMITH ERA IS HERE!!!!
LJ IS A BUM KOLBY SMITH IS THE REAL DEAL HE IS SO WELL RESTED HE IS GOING TO TEAR IT UP LJ IS DONE WHY DO WE WANT SOMEONE HERE WHO DOESNT WANT TO BE HERE WHY IS HE ON THE TEAM FORGET LJ ITS TIME FOR KOLBY SMITH TO SHINE IM SICK OF LJ GOING DOWN ON FIRST CONTACT MAN LJ SUX
/kidderfan1’ed
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by HIV 2 Elway on Oct 21, 2009 12:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It's that caps lock that really makes your argument logical
The Chiefs are on their way to an 11-5 season...I think....
by mushin on Oct 21, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So tell us how you really feel
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by redmedicone on Oct 21, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait and see...
Kolby Smith wasn’t lighting it up when he had his chance either, gotta wait & see until Kolby Smith is on the field to compare talents.
by Arrowhead816 on Oct 21, 2009 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sarcasam my friend, LJ's still the best we've got
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by HIV 2 Elway on Oct 21, 2009 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would argue with that til I die...
At the peak of his career he was by far better then Charles. Right now you would have an easier time argueing he is the worst RB on our Roster. Exspecially by the numbers.
by darwithabar on Oct 21, 2009 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No way is he the worst on the roster
That would be Battle. He would run through a wall if he could. Absolutely love his heart and attitude. Just wish I could put Battle’s brain in LJ’s body.
The Chiefs are on their way to an 11-5 season...I think....
by mushin on Oct 21, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didnt include Battle because he isnt on the active roster...same with Javaris williams
I think LJ is as good or better then those two. Im sure they could average the same YPC as him.
by darwithabar on Oct 21, 2009 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you cut LJ to have your RB's be:
Smith (who hasn’t played in a year)
Charles (who acts like the football is a live snake at times)
Savage (who is the guy I want to date my daughter but not run the ball for my football team)
Battle (the second coming of Mike Cloud)
At least see if Smith can stay on the field for one play before you cut the only back that has shown he can handle getting tackled for a loss 20 times a game.
The Chiefs are on their way to an 11-5 season...I think....
by mushin on Oct 21, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
very funny
Charles (who acts like the football is a live snake at times)
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by redmedicone on Oct 21, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or dont forget LJ...
Who drops balls thrown to him. And cant break a tackle from Steven Gostowski.
by darwithabar on Oct 21, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As opposed to Smith who is the PUP all pro?
The Chiefs are on their way to an 11-5 season...I think....
by mushin on Oct 21, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lj has never been injured or suspended?
I would use that arguement lightly when defending LJ.
by darwithabar on Oct 21, 2009 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not defending LJ
I’m looking at the depth chart and cursing Peterson
The Chiefs are on their way to an 11-5 season...I think....
by mushin on Oct 21, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It seems like you are defending him.
by darwithabar on Oct 21, 2009 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just not ready to cut the starting RB from a 1-5 team in week 6 because a PUP guy returns
Wait till week 8 and we’ll see :)
It’s slim pickens out there on the waiver wire if Smith bombs. Green Bay was just forced to resign Ahman Green.
Be honest, if you had to have a starting RB would you rather have LJ or Ahman Green?
The Chiefs are on their way to an 11-5 season...I think....
by mushin on Oct 21, 2009 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont know honestly...
If ahman Green would get us 4 ypc then id take him. Honestly I doubt he can so id rather have LJ. But that is like picking between a cow and a bird turd.
by darwithabar on Oct 21, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LJ's lookin' better catchin' the ball and doin' somethin' with it after, this season.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 21, 2009 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was about to argue the case for LJ
By saying that we’ve gone up against some of the best run defenses in the league, but amazingly other than Baltimore they’re all in the bottom half in terms of run defense. Not a good sign…
by jmcgoblue on Oct 21, 2009 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, Smith WAS tearin' it up against Tampa Bay last year when he got hurt, IIRC.
Jamaal Charles and Smith were really sparkin’ the offense when Smith went down. It was great for about one half of football. I think that game was Kolby’s gonna-break-out game. It was finally looking like KC was going to get a running game – Smith ‘n’ Charles were finding the seams and gouging the Bucs. Broke my heart when he got hurt.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 21, 2009 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can we get some punctuation please?
by scottbwalters on Oct 21, 2009 12:40 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
SHIT I COULD GIVE TWO SHITS ABOUT PUNCTUATION
I WRITE LIKE I LIVE MY LIFE WITH RECKLESS ABANDON FOR THE RULZ
LJ SUX KOLBY RULEZ DRAFT CURRY
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by HIV 2 Elway on Oct 21, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
RUN!!! HIV IS BREAKING THE LAWS OF GRAMMAR AGAIN!!!!!
The Chiefs are on their way to an 11-5 season...I think....
by mushin on Oct 21, 2009 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lol
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by KansasCityShuffle on Oct 21, 2009 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kolby Smith
After seeing our abysmal running game all year (are people actually going nute over an 83 yard performance from LJ over the weekend?), how can you not be stoked about this?
Smith has good vision and strength, and IS proven. He had a 150 yard game against OAK I believe, as well as other strong games. The backfield combo of Smith and Charles could actually be sort of deadly, with the thunder and lightning.
All Chiefs fans should be excited to see this kid get back into the game. I’ll be rooting for it.
If everyone worked as hard as me, I would be out of a job.
-Steve Nash
by Red Shadow on Oct 21, 2009 12:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Kolby has actually demonstrated the ability to 'cut'
thats something LJ can no longer do. When are holes are paper thin, we need someone who can slip in for the two seconds they’re open. Smith’s running style I think is the best suits the horrid offensive line we currently have
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by KansasCityShuffle on Oct 21, 2009 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dont Laugh....
I think they should cut LJ lol. Why cut a young RB like Savage. We should cut LJ and eat that salary. Go with Kolby and Charles as a 2 back tandem. Let Kolby get 2/3 of the carries and charles with about 1/3.
by darwithabar on Oct 21, 2009 12:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't be upset with that move at all.
I doubt it will happen, though
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Oct 21, 2009 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
have to wait and see how smith plays now before anything like that happens
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by redmedicone on Oct 21, 2009 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cutting LJ is just plain crazy when there are so many other candidates
Cooper
The offensive line
the newly signed Smith
The offensive line
Morgan
Tank Tyler
The WR coach….
You see where I’m going here
The Chiefs are on their way to an 11-5 season...I think....
by mushin on Oct 21, 2009 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cooper has outplayed LJ
I think your obviously an LJ homer. I do think their are worse players on the roster. But some of those players, we dont have better players backing them up like we do LJ. We have 3 players who most beleive could or have been better then LJ.
by darwithabar on Oct 21, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LJ homer?!?!?!
LJ is a curse in my house. More of a realist here.
Nobody is going to root more for Smith to succeed than I, but you don’t cut your only semi-proven RB on a hunch that the guy who has been injured for almost a year is going to step in and take on the load the day after coming off the PUP.
Smith couldn’t do much worse, I agree. But if he can’t stay healthy the next thing you know you’ve got Ndukwe lining up at tail back.
See what that car you found in the want ads with no picture looks like before you run your hoopty over a cliff into the river.
The Chiefs are on their way to an 11-5 season...I think....
by mushin on Oct 21, 2009 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats not true...
We have 5 RBs other then LJ who at worst would equal his production. We also have 2 backs that have a higher YPC average who arent being giving a chance because LJ just being on the roster forces Todd Haley to start him without a riff in the locker room.
by darwithabar on Oct 21, 2009 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My bad for calling you a Homer..
That wasnt right, but Ive defending him as well. He is not the same back. I think that every starter in the league is better right now then LJ. I cant think of one other starter as bad as him and some OLs are as bad as ours beleive it or not.
by darwithabar on Oct 21, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Alright lets dig into this shall we?
The biggest problem with LJ is that he can’t block in pass protection for #$%^. If you don’t believe me ask Green, Huard, Croyle, Thigpen, Gray, Cassel and that damn WR from the Arena League last year.
When LJ is in the game everyone knows they are going to run. It was impressive when he was tearing off big chunks of yards anyway.
That doesn’t mean that the other RB’s are better because they are more likely to catch a defense napping.
Charles is just missing something. I don’t know what the hell it is but everytime he runs I catch myself saying, “Almost…” It is a habit. Mix that with fumbling and until he gets it figured out he is a change of pace back used sparingly.
Battle is a tough runner that doesn’t have the burst, vision or wiggle to start in the NFL as anything other than a injury replacement. And if he does see extended time you start scouring the waiver wire
I LOVE Savage. I’m an Ok. St fan. He just isn’t big enough or fast enough. He’s Sporles without the speed and the cutting ability. But I wish KC had 53 guys with his heart.
And I haven’t seen Smith play for what seems like 2 years. He rushed for 100 yards all of last season.
Just stating the facts man.
The Chiefs are on their way to an 11-5 season...I think....
by mushin on Oct 21, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He wasnt the starter.....
And when he did start he did eclipse 100 yds. So your point is not there. He got injured in a game when he split carries.
by darwithabar on Oct 21, 2009 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My point was that he hasn't carried the rock in two years
Not that he was ineffective last year.
The Chiefs are on their way to an 11-5 season...I think....
by mushin on Oct 21, 2009 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even when you take Smith and even Charles out of the equation.....
Savage has proven he is more effective then LJ. Your arguement has no numbers or stats to back it up its basically just your opinion. I dont like smith, Charles or even Savage but the numbers dont lie.
by darwithabar on Oct 21, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you kidding. Numbers do nothing but lie
This ain’t fantasy football.
Here’s the numbers that matter with Savage:
5 foot 8 inches 182 lbs
You show me a back with his lack of speed at 182 lbs that can carry the load
The Chiefs are on their way to an 11-5 season...I think....
by mushin on Oct 21, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I never said he would have too carry it himself...
LJ has proven he cant. Also, YPC do matter. Numbers dont lie in that sense. You would would rather have LJ running for 2.6 ypc or Savage getting 4 ypc.
by darwithabar on Oct 21, 2009 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think Walter Peyton could have a good YPC behind the line
LJ isn’t breaking off runs, but he’s also getting tackled for a loss an awful lot.
Cassel is the 2nd most sacked QB in the NFL. The line has just as much blame in this situation as LJ.
I’ll find the tackled for a loss stat somwhere, but it ain’t pretty
The Chiefs are on their way to an 11-5 season...I think....
by mushin on Oct 21, 2009 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Walter would average 5 ypc behind our line....
You just lost alot of cred to think Walter Peyton wouldnt do good. He is one of the best RBs ever. Let me guess Jim Brown would have a 3 ypc average too then? Ryan Grant averages 4 ypc behind the packers line and They are missing there best OLmen.
by darwithabar on Oct 21, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This +1 darwithabar
Ryan Grant gets 4 ypc behind a line that has allowed more sacks than KC. Think about that…
by Ryan in Nixa on Oct 21, 2009 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
pass blocking is different that run blocking.
by MountainManMike on Oct 21, 2009 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im pretty sure we are ranked ahead of them in rushing....
Truth be told we cant measures whos line is worse because technically by the numbers they are worse in both category (I think)
by darwithabar on Oct 21, 2009 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Walter Peyton Played Behind Awful Lines
Everyone realizes Peyton most certainly ran behind terrible lines in Chicago. Aside from a 2-3 year stretch toward the end of his career 84-85-86 the Bears were an awful team in the mid 70s through early 80s.
Peyton was one of the best RB ever and did so for very mediocre teams.
by Ryan in Nixa on Oct 21, 2009 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know....
I cant beleive he even said that. To even compare Walter to this chiefs running game makes no sense. He is with the likes of Barry, Marcus, Jim Brown, and Sayers. They were like the Adrian Peterson of our time.
by darwithabar on Oct 21, 2009 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You hath missed the point on all of this
This isn’t about how good or bad LJ is or isnt. How good or bad the line is or isnt.
This is about cutting your starting RB when you entire depth chart consists of a fumbler, a 180 lb special teams guy, and a guy who hasn’t ran the ball in two years.
The Chiefs are on their way to an 11-5 season...I think....
by mushin on Oct 21, 2009 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
IDK why you keep saying fumbler....
How many times has he fumbled this year? Now how many times has LJ fumbled.
by darwithabar on Oct 21, 2009 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Charles has only fumbled 1 time this year and never on a handoff...
He actually has fumbled it 3 times his whole career. LJ has 2 fumbles this year alone.
by darwithabar on Oct 21, 2009 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
now compare that to how many carries each has.
by MountainManMike on Oct 21, 2009 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Charles
3 fumbles, one running, one receiving, one KR…
in 158 career touches or
2% of the time he touches the ball.
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Oct 21, 2009 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LJ
15 fumbles
1509 career touches
or he fumbles 1% of the time he touches the ball
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Oct 21, 2009 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
both of those stats are...
TOTAL fumbles, not just Fumbles LOST
LJ has lost 9 of the 15,
Charles 3 of 3
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Oct 21, 2009 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You cant compare thlse two unless you compare Johnson's and Charle's fumbles to the same amount of carries..
Im a Business major with an Economics minor and I can tell you that that equation will only give you the percentage of carries each has fumbled on, not who fumbles more. Im just saying 3 fumbles isnt a fumble machine. Also, Johnson doesnt return punts.
by darwithabar on Oct 21, 2009 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm a business man myself
I agree that Charles doesn’t fumble as much as people seem to think.
I could run you a linear regression on the probablity of fumbling for each… but it’s not worth it :)
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Oct 21, 2009 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In my humble opinion
I think the “percentage of carries each has fumbled” is the more telling stat. Particularly with a young RB like Charles where there is so little data to use. However, it would be interesting to know LJ’s percentage with his first 158 career touches. That would be the only true comparison.
by Fourstrike89 on Oct 21, 2009 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which I just realize is how you started out your comment darwithabar
by Fourstrike89 on Oct 21, 2009 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm your huckleberry
LJ had ZERO fumbles in his first 158 carries (817 yards rushing, 291yds receiving…ah, those were the days!)
Charles had ONE fumble, (440 yds rushing, 391 yds receiving)
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Oct 21, 2009 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but...
Charles has had one fumble receiving, so I guess the total is 2 to 0.
Again, I think Charles’ fumbling issues are overblown… and LJ was incredible at not fumbling… at least back in the day he was
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Oct 21, 2009 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks
made a FanShot out of it, so everyone can see/comment on it
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Oct 21, 2009 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats not true Stag....
The first year he started for Preist He had 5 fumbles in something like 320 carries. So LJ did have a fumbling problem. He was in his 3rd year too. (First starting) Plus, Charles returns punt which usauly fumbles occur more. I looked at the stats before I read your reply otherwise I would know exactly how many Carries LJ had his first year starting when he had 5 fumbles.
by darwithabar on Oct 21, 2009 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
336 carries
so, right about his career average… 1.5%
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Oct 21, 2009 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LJ has improved his blocking...
But he cant run for over a 3 ypc average. Charles and Savage have proven they can. If LJ isnt as effective as those 2 and you wont keep him past this year why even keep him. Also, Charles has improved his fumbling problem.
by darwithabar on Oct 21, 2009 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you on a lot of your facts/impressions, mushin, but...
When LJ is in the game everyone knows they are going to run. It was impressive when he was tearing off big chunks of yards anyway.
I used to say that, too. That’s been changing. And LJ has had mixed results in protections. But he’s been a pretty reliable outlet receiver – moreso than I’ve ever seen in his career.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 21, 2009 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brad Cottam.
I remember Dawson to Taylor, Kenney to Carson, and Blackledge catching the snap in his facemask. Seen it all...
by BinSC on Oct 21, 2009 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Battle
Keep in mind that Battle is out on IR. Doubt that he is coming back this season…
That leaves us LJ, Charles, Savage & Smith. Let’s take Smith on a test drive for a few weeks before we start talking about cutting LJ. I think LJ has a few more yards in his system. Plus, LJ can hold onto the ball…
"Every day is an evaluation and if you’re not out there how can we depend on you? If you’re out there and you don’t know what to do, how can we depend on you?" Accountability -- Haley-style...
by Chief_Elmo on Oct 21, 2009 1:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That's crazy talk
Battle on the IR is better than LJ healthy anyday
The Chiefs are on their way to an 11-5 season...I think....
by mushin on Oct 21, 2009 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I assume
You realize IR means done for the year can’t come off the DL right? I know you do Mushin, I was talking about some guy earlier that said “Battle won’t come back I think.” There is no think, he’s done for the year —this comment looks tongue in cheek :)
by Ryan in Nixa on Oct 21, 2009 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uh-huh
Yep, I was being a bit sarcastic when I said that I doubted that Battle would be back before the end of the year. I forgot to use the sarcasm font — dagnabbit!
"Every day is an evaluation and if you’re not out there how can we depend on you? If you’re out there and you don’t know what to do, how can we depend on you?" Accountability -- Haley-style...
by Chief_Elmo on Oct 21, 2009 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My toungue has created a pouch in its cheek
The Chiefs are on their way to an 11-5 season...I think....
by mushin on Oct 21, 2009 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LJ does have a "FEW" more yards in his system...
Thats the problem. When you have 2 other backs that you know are more effective.
by darwithabar on Oct 21, 2009 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would Haley Lose the Locker Room Cutting LJ?
I dont know the inside scoop on what the other guys think of LJ but I think outright cutting the guy for gutting out a terrible season would be harsh. Benching him ‘ok’, but just cutting a guy you’ve asked to bust his ass for you seems like a bad locker room move to me.
by Ryan in Nixa on Oct 21, 2009 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
All depth at RB on the depth chart
LJ is not an elite back.
Neither is anyone else on this team.
At least LJ can take a pounding. Which my head can’t do anymore against this particular wall.
Thanks for the argument…I think….
The Chiefs are on their way to an 11-5 season...I think....
by mushin on Oct 21, 2009 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who say any of the others cant....
You have no idea obviously to judge the talent of any football player at any level. LJ is not effective at anything eccept taking a pounding.
by darwithabar on Oct 21, 2009 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They are just different...
types of backs….LJ is a big bruiser more fitting for a line that can open holes and then once he is past the line he runs over people in the secondary. This O-Line does not have the capability to open holes, or pass protect for that matter, so his numbers are going to be down. LJ is healthy, has not taken too much of a beating in the last few yrs, so I say, if you put him on a team like the Giants, he would jump right back up to being a 1400 yrd rusher. There are a lot of parts needed to be a good running team and it all starts upfront. He is a good back, he just does not fit as well as a smaller, faster RB when our line is this terrible. I would like to see Haley use some faster backs, and RUN OUTSIDE more often…that does a couple different things….allows a back to string out the defense and pick his own hole to go through, and also by games end, those defensive players are a little bit more winded from chasing down the play…Then, you put a big back in like LJ and let him run up the middle and punish em……I put a lot of the blame on Haleys playcalling…it has not been good.
by KCinAZ on Oct 21, 2009 3:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think they had more success runnin' wide, and eNOUGH success to keep knockin' on that door.
And they actually seemed pretty effective with 2 FBs (with a TE (Ryan, I think) @ H-Back as the extra FB). It seems like sometimes the plays/formations are changed just to change ’em. It would seem to me, when the O-Line is struggling, to go ahead and go “heavy” in the O-backfield, with enough speed to get out in front and block to the edge. Run a few different plays outta that formation, including some up-the-gut. Not really wildcat, but just go ahead and put more blockers in there. Common sense stuff.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 21, 2009 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm pretty happy about this
I’ve always liked Kolby. And there’s clearly something about him that’s made Haley keep him all this time.
by KCMizzou on Oct 21, 2009 4:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
oh there's a reason ... LJ
and Charles and Savage and …
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Oct 21, 2009 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And whoever thinks
that Savage is better than Haley has bumped their head.
by KCMizzou on Oct 21, 2009 4:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Oops. I meant
Smith. Apparently I have bumped mine.
by KCMizzou on Oct 21, 2009 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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