Schefter: Chiefs Sign a Veteran Nose Tackle
by Joel Thorman on Oct 21, 2009 9:19 AM CDT
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PrintThe Kansas City Chiefs have signed veteran nose tackle Kenny Smith according to Adam Schefter of ESPN. Smith is listed as 6'4", 303 pounds.
Smith played college ball at Alabama before being drafted by the New Orleans Saints in the third round of the 2001 NFL draft, where he started 10 of 30 games accumulating 69 tackles and 4.5 sacks.
He stayed there until 2004 before moving onto the Oakland Raiders for one season where he was placed on injured reserve.
He was out of football during the 2006 season but signed to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in March of 2007 where he lasted a little over a month being released days after the 2007 draft.
He spent the 2007 offseason with the New England Patriots before being released. He later signed with the Patriots the following offseason, where he was placed on injured reserve for the season.
The Patriots released him in June of this year.
Injury prone? Let's break this down: IR for the '04, '05 and '08 season. Out of football during the '06 and '07 season.
The Chiefs do not have an open spot on the active roster but one could guess that Barry Richardson will move back down to the practice squad, where there is an open spot.
(H/T cah05 for the link)
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We did get a 5th rd pick for Tank
This guy is a cheap insurance policy to relieve Edwards for a few snaps per game…which is what Tank was starting to amount to anyway.
Dude.
With his injury history, it’s like asking Brodie Croyle to play the toughest, nastiest spot on the defensive line.
But I do agree to an extent
It’s hard to believe this guy was the best FA player available. I guess they’d rather go with known vs. unknown.
The guy we signed to the practice squad?
And, well, anyone who’s managed to play an entire season of football without being relegated to the Injured Reserve list?
Why?
It’s not like it’s inaccurate.
You mean to tell me that there were no other NTs anywhere in the League that have, at the very least, the same basic skill set that this guy has and the ability to stay healthy? I don’t buy it.
Hell, sign an undrafted free agent out there who played NT in college last year but didn’t get picked up by any teams. At the very least, you’ll have the same basic level of skills without the long injury history and you might just find a diamond-in-the-rough prospect that can be with the team long term.
Instead, Pioli stuck close to home and went with what he knew despite all of the downside and the non-existant obvious upside.
We're talking about a warm body here.
What are the odds that he sees the field in anything except emergency situations?
The Chiefs are on their way to an 11-5 season...I think....
How many snaps did Tank take last week?
That’s how many, roughly, we’re expecting this guy to play.
Ron Edwards can’t and won’t be on the field all the time. He can’t. If he is, we’ll need this injury-prone, out of the NFL entirely twice in the last five seasons and on the injured reserve for the three others “warm body” to play every down because Edwards will get hurt, too.
Don't see it. There is no way that they are putting him in that often after 2 days of practice
I expect we’ll see him once or twice. The Defense is going to have to go to more of a base 4-3 or nickle look with 2 DT’s.
The Chiefs are on their way to an 11-5 season...I think....
so..
your saying they are going to change the defense this week b/c they traded a key player and signed a no name? they will stick to the plan and he will be out there on the field
I think he's saying
they used the nickel look a fair amount last weekend, and it worked well… so it’s Edwards for most snaps, nickel when he’s out
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
Awesome.
So we spend the whole off-season revamping the Defense to go 3-4 “hybrid” and get rid of a bunch of “warm bodies” who were only here to play 4-3, pass over a bunch of other good “warm bodies” in the draft who were 4-3 players, only to get midway into the season, trade off one of our NTs for a late round draft pick and, as a result, now have to shift back to 4-3 which we now may or may not have the personnel to play effectively … ?
Genius. Sheer friggin’ genius.
I really hope our coaches and general management are smarter than that.
Your lookin at this wrong.
The coaching staff went through almost half the season evaluating their young NT/DT giving him every opportunity to win the job.
He couldn’t get the job done and the Chiefs, contrary to most pundits, are not playoff bound.
Get something for him now.
Find someone who can help you at times to run the 3-4 so you can continue to evaluate your defensive talent.
Use your 5th rounder that you just got for a DT that doesnt fit to manuever in the draft and find someone who does fit your plan
The Chiefs are on their way to an 11-5 season...I think....
Tank did fine IMO
I think Pioli is just really high on Suh Id almost bet money hes a Chief next year
I'm okay with that
As long as he grabs some lineman. For the love of god pick up some lineman
The Chiefs are on their way to an 11-5 season...I think....
not that Suh
isnt good…but my god im going to throw up if we draft a Dlinemen in the 1st round
Great players dont win championships.....Great TEAMS win championships
by DT58forever on Oct 21, 2009 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions
couldn't have said THAT better myself :)
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
Re: Awesome
Tank wasn’t going to ever pan out as a nose tackle. I think he’ll do fine as a 4-3 DT, but NT is just not a position that suits him. He became expendable.
off of what?
just stated a fact. I want atleast someone that can stay on the field b/c we all know Edwards wont play every down
I second that TT...what is going on?
Unless their just not going to spend a dime this year….becuase next year we’re going to get it done for real. Which would kinda make sense in a way…
It could just be that since we have zero chance this year anyway, their gearing up hardcore for next year. Saving that money for a possible uncapped year.
You can't trade because the trade deadline is over
The Chiefs are on their way to an 11-5 season...I think....
ty for correcting the peeps that were asleep all day yesterday
when all we heard was trade deadline.
Lol that’s what I was gonna say. Too late for any other trades. This shows that we’ll probably use a 2nd rounder or free agency to pick up a good NT.
by scottbwalters on Oct 21, 2009 9:38 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Why not a first?
I think it’s very likely we’ll use our first pick in this draft to grab the best NT prospect available
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
Re: Why not a first?
That would probably be Cody. Suh would probably be a 3-4 DE.
I’m afraid that’s the case and that prospect doesn’t excite me. I’d rather go for Berry or Mays. Now, if we trade down, get extra picks, and take Cody… maybe we’re talking.
-100 to Suh or Cody
Berry/OT in the first
OLB/Oline second
Boo in the third.
by BAMFSpecialOps on Oct 21, 2009 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Who gives a shit if he played for the Patriots
I am so sick of listening to everyone bitch anytime anyone the Chiefs are even thinking of looking at once played for the Patriots. I understand UC’s point about closing the team off to other talent and I think it is a valid point. But there is also over reation going on.
It makes sense for Pioli to pick up guys he knows a little something about rahter than some guy he has never seen play. Should he ALWAYS pick up ex Pats? No. Of course not but simmer down already.
This guy is obviously here as an emergency back up. He will probably get in 5 snaps a game if Edwards needs a break so I am not too worried about his injury history.
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Denver has a lot as well!
Denver has a few ex patriots on there roster!
It is a new Era at Arrowhead. I do not yet know if it is one of greatness or one of ineptitude. I am excited to see which way it goes, and will support my team until the end, bitter or sweet!
here's the deal, though ... Pioli keeps looking at and signing NE castoffs out of familiarity
… while ignoring a multitude of guys from OTHER teams who could easily be AS GOOD or BETTER … he doesn’t know for sure, but he locks out those possibilities by going back to the same “scrap heap” time after time
here’s a guy, Smith, who hasn’t played since who knows when … injury prone, not good enough or healthy enough after a couple of years with the Saints to make it with Oakland, Tampa Bay and New England …
so we want/need this guy … WHY??? sorry, Patrick, gotta totally disagree with ya on this one … this is beyond ridiculous
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
tell us, oh wise one,
while ignoring a multitude of guys from OTHER teams who could easily be AS GOOD or BETTER
who are some of these players that make up the multitude that could easily be as good or better. (if their only as good, what difference does it make?)
you make the assumption that he never LOOKS anywhere else because he doesn’t sign players from other teams. (except for goff, thomas, toomer, lelie, engram, et al. how are those players working out?) this complaint is getting old because it’s stupid. look at all of the first year coaches/gm’s out there and see how many players from their previous teams they bring with them. i think you’ll see it’s a completely common phenomenon
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Harry S. Truman
it may be "common" but that doesn't make it a brilliant move
especially in the case of a guy who hasn’t played in 6 yrs, including a couple of years out of football entirely before he came back to football to be placed on … injured reserve
and THIS is what makes you think signing the guy is some sort of brilliant tactical move?
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
i'm refering to the general
complaint of pioli signing guys he’s familiar with. i don’t know enough about this guy to feel good or bad about it. i doubt it’s brilliant but it will probably be serviceable, which is all tank really was. i generally like to wait until things come to fruition before i’m overly critical. you avoided the question i asked you. who should they have signed? remember, by your rules, he can have no pioli, belichick, parcells, haley connection. so i’m curious who out there meets this criteria or if you’re just bitching because you have the opportunity
Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day.
Harry S. Truman
well, take a look at a post by Kcporkchop from a bit ago ...
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2009/10/20/1093860/dts-on-the-practice-squad-of-3-4
The following are JUST 3-4 guys …
NE – TItus Adams – 6’4" 305
NE – Darryl Richard – 6’4" 290
NYJ – Antonio Garay – 6’3" 303
CLV – Carlton Powell – 6’2" 300
DEN – Everette Pedescleaux – 6’4" 312
GB – Anthony Toribio – 6’1" 304
SF – Khalif Mitchell – 6’5" 316
so wow, gee … I guess there ARE other people out there … INCLUDING other NE Pats players who, I’m guessing, actually have SOME time NOT on the IR list the last 6 years … sure, I could be wrong, but a guy with the last 5 yrs being IR or totally out of football doesn’t inspire me to think he’s the best thing since sliced bread (or Tank or Pollard for that matter)
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
what do you know about any of these guys except for their height and weight?
i’m guessing not much because if i remember right, these are all practice squad players. i doubt they’d be much better
Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day.
Harry S. Truman
hey, you asked for "other guys besides Smith" so I gave you a list of other guys
and no, I don’t know anything about them aside from size/wt … but I strongly doubt they’ve been on IR/Out Of Football on a continuing basis for the last 6 yrs … and if that’s the case, I’d have to think that almost any of them are in as good or better football shape and less injury prone than Smith …
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
they couldn't have been on ir within the last 6 years
because 6 years ago, they were in high school. i’m just saying you are complaining about a player you know nothing about (except he’s been injured) and suggesting we pick up other players you know nothing about. (including their injury histories) you also forget that if we pick them off a practice squad from another team, they have to be on our active roster for 4 games, i think. we don’t know if they even plan on keeping smith for more than a couple weeks while they continue to look for someone better
Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day.
Harry S. Truman
Kenny...
when he was healthy for the saints his stats are not that bad. in 10 starts he accumulated 69 tackles and 4.5 sacks. That is better than Tank if I am not mistaken.
I have no issues with what he did with the Saints ... none at all
… and this has nothing to do with Tank (other than a backup thing) – my point is: that was so long ago it’s ridiculous to think he has anywhere close to the same skills, on top of the fact that he’s so injury prone that he hasn’t been on active list since 2003 on top of 2 years totally out of football …
now, given ALL that, do you REALLY HONESTLY TRULY deep down in your soul BELIEVE that he’s THE BEST OPTION out of ALL the available guys? THE BEST?
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
It really doesn't matter
that you can pull up a list of available NTs. This is because you know absolutely squat about any of them.
Pioli may or may not, but one thing is certain, guys like Pioli maintain databases on players he encounters. Every bit of information about each one of them gets entered into the db. He knows more about their physical attributes, how they handle certain situations, their attitudes, injury concerns, what kind of beer they like, etc.
When it comes to paring down that list, he will go with those whose benefits outweigh the costs and will select the one with the highest benefit:cost ratio.
If it comes down to a couple of guys, one of whom you have volumes of information on and the other is unknown, you are unable to make a fair assessment; i.e. the unknown risks involved with the other choice could outweigh the benefit. Selecting him, then, would be a complete gamble… Pioli doesn’t take blind bets.
I've been rapping for about seveteen years okay? I don't write my stuff anymore I just kick it from my head you know what I'm sayin? I can do that. No disrespect but that's how I am.
by soybon on Oct 21, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
right, Pioli only goes with the sure thing, like Amani Toomer and Zach Thomas
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
If you actually read what I wrote, I never indicated that he only moves on sure things (whatever that means anyways). Only that his action is predicated upon setting himself, and the Chiefs, up for the greatest chance of success. This is accomplished by acting on the most complete set of information.
I've been rapping for about seveteen years okay? I don't write my stuff anymore I just kick it from my head you know what I'm sayin? I can do that. No disrespect but that's how I am.
and a guy who hasn't played in 6 years gives us the best chance of success?
… somehow I strongly doubt that he’s THE BEST available guy out there, and isn’t that what we’re supposed to be looking for? even as a backup, the best available guy?
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
Well, I really don't know what else to say.
You seem to struggle with the fact that we need somebody to take <10 snaps this week to give Edwards a rest and instead of Pioli picking up a guy who may or may not know how to play the position he went with someone he is sure knows how to play it.
I've been rapping for about seveteen years okay? I don't write my stuff anymore I just kick it from my head you know what I'm sayin? I can do that. No disrespect but that's how I am.
there IS NO sure thing
Toomer and Thomas looked like safe bets at the time.
so, they didn’t pan out… but lots of other guys have.
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
The guy has not played in 6 years.
Think about where you were in 2003. That was the last time this guy got hit by an offensive lineman.
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Oct 21, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions
not entirely true
he did go to camp in ’06 and ’07 but got injured. but it has been a while. no doubt
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Harry S. Truman
hey NJ, you and I agree on this but I guess we're the only ones ...
… seems everyone else thinks Smith gives us The Best Chance To Win and hey, they’re the experts …
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
Quite the opposite...
they’re the experts
You are the one who is claiming to know more about who is a better choice.
I've been rapping for about seveteen years okay? I don't write my stuff anymore I just kick it from my head you know what I'm sayin? I can do that. No disrespect but that's how I am.
no, I'm just casting doubt that an injury prone NT who's "semi-retired" is THE BEST available option
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
no experts here
But… which scenario do you feel better about?
A: going into this weeks game with ONLY Edwards at NT
B: going into this weeks game with Edwards AND a guy who has played some NT before?
again, it’s a minor, stopgap kind of signing… nothing to get worked up about, he probably won’t be on the roster by week 8
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
Or ...
C: Instead of giving injury prone Kenny Smith snaps in practice and a place on the team, move him immediately to the Injured Reserve (as, let’s be honest, he’ll get there by next week anyway) and give those snaps to Marlon Favorite to allow him to play as Edwards’ backup and then look for an offensive lineman to fill Favorite’s spot on the practice squad.
I’m going to go with answer ‘C.’ Thanks.
by JacinB on Oct 21, 2009 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
i like C
any way, sorry but i see no point in getting kenny smith, he hasnt been on the playing field in to damn long. should have stayed w/ Tyler, hell it is his first year at N/T, and i thought he was playing decently givin the circumstances, that they switched over to a 3-4 so he’s new at it. my .02 cents.
Proud Supporter of Tyler Thigpen.
How about any NT that has played in more than 6 games in the last year.
At any level.
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Oct 21, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions
In response to this quote.
who are some of these players that make up the multitude that could easily be as good or better
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Oct 21, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions
or has stayed off an injured reserve list for more than 6 games the last 6 years
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
you guys just like to complain
we’re talking about a 2nd string NT. no one is expecting this guy to be a savior of any sort. you act like there’s just a cellar full of good football players sitting around waiting for the chiefs to call, if only they’d stop looking at former patriots. if you can’t provide better players by name, you should really just say, you don’t know. if the guy gets hurt and can’t play his 5-10 snaps a game, then it will be a worthless signing. otherwise, i don’t see how it is really anything more than filling out the roster
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Harry S. Truman
There is a cellar full.
The problem is they went all the way to the outhouse for this guy.
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Oct 21, 2009 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions
heres some Id rather have
Antwan Lake,William Joseph,Anthony Montgomery,Hollis Thomas,John Thorton,Gabe Watson
um yeah
antwan lake has 41 tackles in 6 years of playing, hollis thomas is 35 and was let go by carolina (which is really struggling for lineman), thornton is a 4-3 tackle who has dealt with shoulder injuries, gabe watson is on arizona’s roster plus he has ties to haley and lord knows people on here don’t like that and william joseph was hurt in the offseason and let go by the raiders. everyone out there at this point has major warts.
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sorry you didn't
i started my point by telling upamtn to get over pioli signing people they are familiar with. watson is on the current roster for the cardinals so we can’t get him at this point
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Harry S. Truman
oh nfl.com shows him as a free agent
also Montgomery doesnt have bad numbers and has played in a lot of games.
This Kenny Smith is the 32-year old semi-retired football player out of Mississippi and the University of Alabama. Smith has not played in an NFL regular season game since the 2003 season. That’s six years off the field. Smith was with the New Orleans Saints at the time, where he was a third-round draft selection in the 2001 NFL Draft.
From Bob Gretz
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Oct 21, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions
if we signed him expecting him to be a starter
i’d be a lot more concerned. he’s just depth
Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day.
Harry S. Truman
we all understand he's "just depth" ...
but please, 6 yrs w/o actually playing a game … you honestly don’t think there’s even ONE guy out there who’s better than Kenny Smith? not ONE???
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
didn't say that
i am addressing your complaint that he signed someone with NE ties. i don’t know if this guy is any good or not. if he’s healthy now, maybe he is
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This guy is obviously one of the "right 53."
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Oct 21, 2009 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Nope, he's one of the 22 guys off the street
The Chiefs are on their way to an 11-5 season...I think....
by mushin on Oct 21, 2009 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
yes he is
he knows what the Patriots locker room smells like. He never actually played for the Patriots. he was there for an off season and spent time on the IR. He could be good, having played at Alabama. At least he got a good sniff at NE. He’ll make a good Chief.
Per Josh Looney....
DT Marlon Favorite, a former teammate of fellow Chiefs defensive linemen Glenn Dorsey and Tyson Jackson has joined the practice squad.
So at least we have a backup plan when Smith goes down. Now who gets cut?
not when Smith signed
someone gets the axe for him
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
Hang on a second.
We’re cutting someone to keep this guy?
Can we take a vote? I vote we cut Kenny Smith.
from nfl.com
Kansas City Chiefs 10/20 Justin Rogers (LB) re-signed.
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
I am glad to see that Favorite was signed
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
Me too.
That makes this signing totally for just a game or so while Favorite is learning the schemes & proving himself & then he will move up & we’ll have our new Favorite Chief!
LSU lineup
If tthey could play like they did in college, I will be very happy with an LSU lineup. Watch them on youtube together… they ripped it up.
and then opposing O-Lines will be singing ...
hold that tiger! hold that tiger!
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
Kenny Smith
he’s listed as a DE on a lot of websites…
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
I just clicked on his name link in the post OMG!
It read something like this…
Signed…INJURED…released -signed -Injured …benched -I/R….released -re-signed – injured AGAIN…seriously … resigned…practice squad …INJURED, recovered, RE INJURED..released Signed by Kansas City….
YAY!!!
Really?
I mean he is just a backup and not the type of backup that we are going to nurture into a starter someday. Sure he might go down quicker than Glass Joe, but I am sure he is cheap and he has experience in a position that no one else on our team has and he can immediately fill the backup spot.
Go Chiefs!
and
Boomer Sooner!
"Meat-man... ever since my son was... never born, because I've never had consensual sex without money involved... I've always kind of looked at you as... a thing, that I could live next to... in accordance with state laws." - Carl
We signed ...
DT Marlon Favorite of LSU to the practice squad. He’s got experience with Dorsey and Jackson.
Can we cut this guy now? Please? Or maybe we can just save time and move him directly to the injured reserve.
Blue Chip
Was a blue chip # 1 DT out of HS… starts are hard to justify when he only started 17 games and DT stats are not off the chart too. Plus, he had to share them with Dorsey who was a beast.
To clarify.
The “this guy” I’m hoping we cut or move directly to the injured reserve is Kenny Smith, not Marlon Favorite.
released, injured, re-signed by Kansas City, injured
re-signed by Kansas City, injured, took up guitar for two whole weeks, INJURED, sat up in bed, INJURED, laid back down, RE-INURED, signed by the Chiefs..released, reinjured..dammit!
Freaking out over nothing
A lot of you guys are freaking out over nothing. This is a great signing, in my opinion. Ron Edwards hasn’t played too bad at nose tackle. He’s going to take 75% of the snaps. The Chiefs just need a body to step in and take a few snaps here and there.
Smith doesn’t have to stay healthy for a full season. He just needs to stay healthy enough to play a few snaps per game. And if Ron Edwards goes down with injury, then you need Smith to play the rest of the game and then you go out to the waiver wire and find somebody else.
It’s a good signing. At this point in free agency, we’re not going to find a good nose tackle. All we need is a sub to take a few occasional snaps.
by Jon Yoon on Oct 21, 2009 9:54 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Its not nothing. It's the Bobby Sippio syndrom
Man the Chiefs are bad this year!! But just wait, in week 7 they’re going to find an arena league, waiver wire gem that will turn it around. It’s Super Bowl BABY!!!!
The Chiefs are on their way to an 11-5 season...I think....
I usually agree with you, but ...
Smith doesn’t have to stay healthy for a full season. He just needs to stay healthy enough to play a few snaps per game. And if Ron Edwards goes down with injury, then you need Smith to play the rest of the game and then you go out to the waiver wire and find somebody else.
You’ll have to forgive me if filling key defensive positions with guys we grab off the waiver wire the week before doesn’t appeal to me all that much. Especially when it appears that the best guy we can find to fill in now from the waiver wire is Kenny “Injured Reserve” Smith.
We did that last season at LB
and itdidn’t work out well. Of course, I don’t think any of those waiver guys were former Pats.
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Oct 21, 2009 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Re: JacinB
I understand where you’re coming from. But Tank wasn’t doing much on the Chiefs’ roster anyway. Smith isn’t here to fill in a key defensive position. He’s there to take a few snaps so that Edwards doesn’t have to play the entire game.
Smith is a backup NT. He’s not going to be asked to play more than a few snaps per game. And he has experience at the position, so it’s not like we have to worry about him taking a long time to learn what he’s doing.
He’s a backup stopgap. If Favorite shows anything, then he’ll leapfrog Smith onto the roster. Win-win.
Tank did have 22 tackles.
Will Smith be that productive?
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Oct 21, 2009 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions
probably not
But tackle stats are over-rated. If you’re on the field for 100 plays there will be a tackle everytime there isn’t a TD. I don’t trust those stats at all.
The Chiefs are on their way to an 11-5 season...I think....
AND
this guy probably won’t see the field as much as Tank did in the first couple weeks.
AGAIN, this is not a Tank vs Kenny Smith debate…
Tank was traded for a draft pick… Smith is just the emergency backup that holds an otherwise empty roster spot
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
We are further reducing our chances to win this year
for hopes and promises of better players next year. We are less talented now than at the end of last season, and based off of our most recent draft and FA signings, I’m not convinced we will improve before next season starts.
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Oct 21, 2009 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions
now that's just crazy talk
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
Nor will his
presence make any difference on whether we win or lose. He just knows his job is to plug the hole & Pioli obviously thinks that he has the ability to do just that until we get a better option that IS going to be here for the long term!
he's a warm body to backup the starter
that helps, or at least doesn’t hurt
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
Unless ...
(Knock on wood) Edwards gets hurt which is, you know, somewhat common in this sport and, if I’m not mistaken, something Edwards has been known to do in the past. In which case our “safety net” at that spot is somewhat less-than-likely to last a whole game.
But, hey, why consider that? He’s just a back-up. He’s just a warm body.
LOL Chicken Little
The sky is falling in New Jersey this morning?
by Ryan in Nixa on Oct 21, 2009 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions
If you're happy with this signing
then more power to you. If you think this was the best available player to fill this spot, then more power to you.
I don’t think those things, by the way.
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Oct 21, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Re: Best NT available?
His role is to step in and in 4 days, be ready to play nose tackle for the Chiefs.
We’ve got one guy on our practice squad we just brought in who has no idea how to play NT and is no doubt going to be coached up like crazy. You’ve got a whole bunch of other rejects who played 4-3 their entire career.
It’s not a glamorous pick-up, but it might very well be the best available. Again, nobody wants or expects him to start. He just has to play a few snaps a game to keep Edwards fresh.
he might not even get ANY snaps
They could go with the Edwards or Nickel package with no NT…
I bet this guy is the emergency NT in case of injury to Edwards, and will be off the roster by week 8
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
"will be off the roster by week 8"
hope so, I’d hate to see the old guy get killed or something
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
"those few snaps could end up being big plays"
mikey, it doesn’t matter – we’re not expected to win games, and long past the point of trying – just an evaluation year, remember?
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
not so sure that tank, as a backup
was really helping our chances of winning, but an extra pick never hurts. we moved him; got a pick, didn’t lose much, and he’s in a better pos to play. win win.
ever notice how the pats stockpile picks? seems to workout for them
I have no issues with trading Tank
I do have issues with wasting time and roster spot on a guy who’s more injury prone than a nursing home full of octogenrarians racing jet-powered wheelchairs
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
yeah I'd def rather see someone else
and we may soon. who knows, he may be a short term filler until favorite comes up or we get someone else. he is a backup though.
on a side note, at least he hasn’t been used up if he has hardly played. and not sure of the rules but can’t you put a guy on IR without an injury if you wanna keep him without using a roster spot?
Agreed. It's obvious this guy won't be a Chief next year anyway...
he’s a temp. it’s that simple…he’s a temp…they got him from AAA employment agency…he only wanted to work part time….
He’s just filling in while we get set for next years draft and trades…when we gonna go balls out……the rest of this year is what it is…
Mmm.
I’m terribly excited about a team that, if you’re right, is writing off the next 10 games of the season already. Where can I buy tickets to see a bunch of temps and fill-ins?
Jacin, you underestimate things by far
see, you have to go back to halftime of the Eagles game … so that would be a total of 12 games? 13? that’s when it all became apparant …
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
"A great signing"
Dude. Whatever.
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by KansasCityShuffle on Oct 21, 2009 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Just a placeholder
Favorite is now on the PS…
Maybe Smith is just insurance for a couple weeks, then Favorite comes up to form the All-LSU defensive line!
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
Re: Favorite
I don’t think it’s even that. Favorite is a huge long shot.
They know Tank didn’t fit into their future plans. They’re not trying to make the playoffs now. Why not get a pick for him?
People are trying to justify holding onto a 5th round pick in favor of a guy who doesn’t fit into their future plans in a season that doesn’t even matter.
every season matters
and if they’ve given up before the bye and our (supposedly) easier schedule begins, then they can take a long walk off a short pier.
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Oct 21, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions
yah sorry there NJ fan..
we’re not going 11-5 ok? this season is over…it’s done….it’s all about positioning for next year at this point…this dude their bringing in is just here to plug a hole so we can get thru this season…
'Scuse me.
I realize that we’re likely not going to the playoffs.
However, if you’re thinking that KC is full of fans who are going to spend a) time or b) money (on merchandise, tickets, etc.) — especially in this economy where they’re already threatening blackouts due to lack of ticket sales — on a team that has said, at Week 6, “Hey, we give up.” then you’re batshit crazy.
There is nothing that pisses me off more than when a team — my team — walks onto the field and you can tell before the first quarter is over that they’ve already given up.
They don’t get paid millions to be a bunch of f—-in’ quitters. And that goes for the folks up in the front offices, too.
Whether we win our next ten or go 1-15 this year, you damn well better be fielding a team that’s going to compete and you damn well better be doing every damn thing in your power, as Head Coach and as President of Football Operations, to make sure that the team that you put on the field has every damn chance of winning that game.
If that’s not what you’re doing, you better pack up your s—- because, even understanding that we’re not going to the playoffs this year, we are NOT going to stand for that bulls—-.
Every season counts. Every damn season.
nobody has "given up" on this season
that’s BS
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
Smith may be just for this week
next week we have a bye. I’m guessing since he has played enough in similar schemes that he can learn the job quickly. So they may have signed him just as an emergency for this week and will get someone else in next when they have two weeks to get him ready. They may even promote Favorite (great name).
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by Big Chief on Oct 21, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
exactly
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
I know I was echoing your comment
I just wanted to add the bit about the bye week and the fact that Smith was probably selected because he was the most ready to step in for this week.
I’m not sure what the longer term plan is, but I think having the bye week makes it likely this isn’t the last move here if Smith doesn’t look like a good backup.
Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read. - Groucho Marx
Wasn't Tank
one of the best athletes at the combine and rated high on the draft mock up boards, but this guy is an improvement.
NOT an improvement over tank
not trying to be…
the 5th round pick is the improvement
this guy is just an emergency NT
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
why should we care that hes' been on IR?
what difference does it make?
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
Because he's been there for five years straight?
That’s something of an indicator, you know, to his a) ability to step in and play right now and b) what skills he might’ve retained from six years ago when he was a connecting flight short of making it to mediocre.
no, not 5 straight years on IR, that's ridiculous!
he was retired for TWO of those years
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
IF he gets hurt again... well, he gets hurt again
they’ll sign someone else, or promote Favorite.
Again, it’s not like Smith is being counted on to start.
And, obviously, Pioli and Haley see enough potential to give him a shot.
They worked out at least 4 DTs if not more… if he wasn’t in shape or able to play, do you really think they’d sign him?
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
Mike Mamula springs to mind
You should NEVER mention combine workouts in the 3rd year of a players career. If you are there is a problem.
Happen to remember Seymor’s workout numbers from his combine?
The Chiefs are on their way to an 11-5 season...I think....
The original reason Tank was pulled was he took plays off
It doesn’t matter if he’s a great athlete if he takes plays off…see Julius Peppers.
by Kristospherein on Oct 21, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions
who cares
a lot of guys are rated high; they don’t always pan out in the NFL. I think is was just that he was the strongest at the combine. It really just matters who fits your team, and if they don’t and you can get a pick for them then you do it, period.
Combine Overview - Favorite
One of the more popular Tigers, NFL teams will appreciate his positive outlook and locker room leadership in addition to his motor and other physical talents.
This post is the living definition of "FAN"
It’s Wednesday morning and there are over 100 posts about a back-up NT that may or may not see any playing time in the near future.
You folks are “my people”
The Chiefs are on their way to an 11-5 season...I think....
by mushin on Oct 21, 2009 10:12 AM CDT reply actions 5 recs
yep
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by Patrick Allen on Oct 21, 2009 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions
haha... from profootball talk....
Chiefs dust off Kenny Smith
Posted by Mike Florio on October 21, 2009 10:59 AM ET
As the Kansas City Chiefs continue to try to remake their roster, they’ve slipped into a DeLorean and set the dial to 2003.
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
to clarify... Florio says Smith hasn't played since 2003
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
HELLO? McFLY!
He’s just a back up!
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by Patrick Allen on Oct 21, 2009 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions
If we are going to back in time go back to 1969! The memories are better.
by BCRavenJHawkfan on Oct 21, 2009 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions
nah...1971
I want a rematch with the Dolphins
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by Bad Medicine on Oct 21, 2009 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions
To say the guy will just go in for a play or two to spell Edwards
may be accurate. And he may be injury prone. But the real question should be, when he is in the game can he make a play? If he makes the tackles when needed fine. If he misses and the other team capitalizes with this guy in the game, then shame on Pioli!
by BCRavenJHawkfan on Oct 21, 2009 10:22 AM CDT reply actions
Shame on you!
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by Patrick Allen on Oct 21, 2009 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions
That isn't you Kray!
That is Sexassasin
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by Patrick Allen on Oct 21, 2009 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions
how dare you pat hahaha
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Oct 21, 2009 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions
hahah
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Oct 21, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions
yah because I'm more of a woman than she'll EVER be
just look at my pic up there that PA posted!! Aren’t I sexy and old?? mMMMMMm !! old and sexy krayfish…delicious!
LOL
This thread’s out of control. I’m going to pretend to work for a bit.
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Oct 21, 2009 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions
The wacky thread of the day at Arrowhead Pride!
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by Patrick Allen on Oct 21, 2009 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions
like a never ending ping pong match
"There are few secrets in football. So execute." ~Coach Stram
"I think it's the fans. The place is crazy. It's a good crazy, if you're Kansas City." ~Coach Schottenheimer
by Bad Medicine on Oct 21, 2009 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions
I was young and in college and I didn't know what I wanted to do with my life yet..
I was experimenting…it …uhh it was just a phase..ok?? I don’t dress like that anymore!!
now you're old and don't know what you want to do with your life
just like the rest of us
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
I =was= til I read this post ... Smith? seriously? an entire roster spot???
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
Im a mix of this guy and this guy
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Oct 21, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Hold on SA I'll be right back k?
WHISPERS TO EVERYONE FRANTICALLY "Run….get out while you can
(discreetly points over his shoulder at SA)
yah it doesn't matter anyway...
it’s not like we’re goint to the superbowl….seriously…we just finally won our first game ever under haley…
Denver’s 6-0 and they ARE for real. that’s a super coached team right there…they are going to be a nemesis for us for years to come now that they got josh McDaniels. He learned from the master and their winning our division period.
we can’t win a wildcard at this point either so it’s ok…let them bring in a car wash boy if they want…
What's the matter tophertencha??
You don’t wonna hang out with the CRAZZZZZZZZZYYYYYY people….come back we won’t hurt you……….please don’t run…your only making it worse…..
stop or we’ll draft Galloway!!!!!!!!
Okay kray, Nurse Ratchet will be in with your meds shortly
The Chiefs are on their way to an 11-5 season...I think....
Only if you use your own feces
okay, that just gave me a bad mental image…sorry
The Chiefs are on their way to an 11-5 season...I think....
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Oct 21, 2009 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't think that Smith has been injured, he has been working on his singing career.
by saskwatch on Oct 21, 2009 10:43 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
very good!
Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read. - Groucho Marx
That's what he was wearing the last time he took the field.
I've been rapping for about seveteen years okay? I don't write my stuff anymore I just kick it from my head you know what I'm sayin? I can do that. No disrespect but that's how I am.
I don't know how to do anything..
I’m like the retarded little brother…how do you post pics?? Mine are just boxes…empty boxes…mocking me with their emptiness.. I just dont’ get any of it…OMG!! I am old!
you have to have a URL.
Usually get it by finding an online image ans clicking full size. Then copy the link for the image from the browser. Then when you are in a comment click the image button (may get a pop up depending on security settings to allow scripted windows). A window should pop up and you paste the URL into it. Remember you can always preview the comment to see if it works.
Thanks saskwatch.
I was in the same boat with my retarded little bro kray! Appreciate the answer!
Thanks kray for asking the question that I wasn’t brave enough to because I was scared everyone would think I was ignorant! :)
If you have one of your own pictures to post it is a little more complicated.
You will have to post it on an online service like photobucket to get a URL.
Thanks again!
That was really the information that I needed because I’ve got a lot of funny photos that I’ve saved to my pictures, so now I’ll find a place to put them online & I’m in business. Appreciate the help kind sir!
or
right click an image and select view image
in the address bar will be the image address to put in the pop-up for adding images
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by Bad Medicine on Oct 21, 2009 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions
This regieme
has thrown in the towel. They have a 63mil QB who is learning on the job. The defense looks pretty good but is now 1 player away from becoming the worst.
The Chiefs have replaced the Lions as the laughing stock of the entire NFL. I hope the commissioner doesn’t take away our franchise. (over a 5th round pick)
by choirboy on Oct 21, 2009 11:01 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
and bucs, and lions, and raiders, and titans, and bills
there are several crappy teams this year!
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
half the team could get hurt and we'd still be better than the Rams
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
agreed
Rams are TERRIBLE
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
CRY BABIES
Have faith we will be ok. We have a weapon and his name is succop. let him kick the ball and score. if grampa is not able to play without getting hurt . we move dorsey to NT. not worried about D line worry about O line. so they got a # 5 pick for tank got a fill in for 10-15 plays in his short time here. too bad they could not of gotten rid of L J.
by Charles # 1 chiefs fan on Oct 21, 2009 11:49 AM CDT reply actions
I've got it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They just wanted a NT that was in the league back when Tomlinson was actually a good player. OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!
IN YOUR FACE CHARGERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I could really use some sleep if you can’t tell.
It's a good thing Pioli and Haley aren't running AP or a lot of you guys would of been traded or cut for cast offs from the Pats Pulpit.
And some good jokes
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by KansasCityShuffle on Oct 21, 2009 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Boo
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by KansasCityShuffle on Oct 21, 2009 12:33 PM CDT reply actions
what the bleep
are the fchiefs serious wit this bs tank has to be better than this guy he doesnt even play ever it looks like can someone helo me understand this please?
by cainsbigonchiefs on Oct 21, 2009 1:13 PM CDT reply actions
What's really scary is he's noted as an OLB in the picture caption...
Is he that irrelevant?
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
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