BFTB Answers Your Chargers Questions
Please rec this up so it stays up top until Sunday. - Joel
Hey guys. I know we have a history, but I thought I'd pop my head in over here to see if I could possibly help to answer any questions you have about the Chargers. The only thing I ask is that we keep this a professional environment to transfer knowledge and avoid the trash-talking. It can happen elsewhere, let's just try to keep those comments away from this post.
One quick question I have, that can work as a conversation starter, is what's up with Matt Cassel? If you remember, in the preseason I looked at his stats and thought that he got sacked too often behind a good offensive line. I was pretty sure that he held onto the ball too long. He got sacked at least twice as much as Brady is getting sacked behind the same line this season. So is he 2nd in the league in getting sacked because he holds onto the ball too long, because the offensive line is atrocious or both? Also, are there any receiving threats on the team not named Dwayne Bowe?
Also, I tried to tell you guys Mike Goff was terrible......
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Arrowhead Pride's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Arrowhead Pride writers or editors.
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Yup.
You were dead on about Goff for sure.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Oct 20, 2009 9:49 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
John here are the answers to your two questions.
Yes Matt is holding the ball for quite a while. While it is true that he should be getting rid of it quicker he is a bit of a Ben Roethlisberger type that he holds out and holds out hoping a play will be made. The answer to your other question regarding his sacks is, yes, our O-line does stink.
The only other receiver that has been ok on our team is a fellow named Bobby Wade. He used to be a Viking most recently. He has 17 receptions for 160 yards and 2 TDs this year.
by Primussux on Oct 20, 2009 10:26 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I have a question for you as well John.
The Chargers rush defense is currently ranked #27. What is going on there? (No, I’m not being fecitious.)
by Primussux on Oct 20, 2009 10:34 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Really?
Sweet, hope LJ goes off!
Didn’t they lose their NT? That can’t help.
Week 7 Prediction:
Kansas City Chiefs 77 - San Diego Chargers 2
by craig in calgary on Oct 20, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looked pretty good last night against the run if you ask me.
Special teams on the other hand….
by Chiefsfan1970 on Oct 20, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hard to stop the run in a 3-4 without a Nose Tackle (Jamal Williams is out for the season). Also, Jacques Cesaire hasn’t really been healthy all year even though he’s been playing. Also, the backup DT (Travis Johnson) just played his first game last night.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Oct 20, 2009 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But didn't you guys sign Alphonso Boone?
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 21, 2009 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A couple questions...
Do you think that it was a smart call against the Broncos last night when they handed it off to Sproles on 3rd and Goal? It seemed to stir the pot with LT.
And
What is your biggest concern going on with the rest of this season?
Bowe of course has the most talent out of our receiving core by far. Bradley has the talent but only seems to step up when he needs to(Bowe being out due to injury). Wade is good in the slot. Our TE Ryan has been pretty ok but of course can’t replace a HoF in Tony G.
by Chiefsfan85 on Oct 20, 2009 10:59 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Do you think that it was a smart call against the Broncos last night when they handed it off to Sproles on 3rd and Goal? It seemed to stir the pot with LT.
No, but it wasn’t the worst call in the world. LT had two chances and got only 3 yards. I wish they would’ve thrown it on third, but trying to fake a pass and run it up the gut with Sproles isn’t a terrible call.
What is your biggest concern going on with the rest of this season?
The complete and total lack of a pass rush.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Oct 20, 2009 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your complete & total
lack of a pass rush vs. our complete & total lack of an offensive line should make for an epic battle up front! :)
by ttownmikey on Oct 20, 2009 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too Funny
"Leave the gun. Take the cannoli."
"Mr. Pioli is a man who insists on hearing bad news immediately."
"Never tell anybody outside the family what you're thinking again."
by Don Piolie's Consigliere on Oct 21, 2009 12:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bigger hustle
Vikings getting Allen for a 1st and two 3rds or the White Sox getting Peavy for Clayton Richard, Aaron Poreda, Dexter Carter and Adam Russell???
"What?!?! I aint no Obama for the weed!"
-Turk McBride
by HIV 2 Elway on Oct 20, 2009 11:02 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
There is NO bigger hustle than the crap the Vikes got over on us.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Oct 20, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was no hustle
that was the low point of Carl’s career. I don’t think Allen would have signed with KC again if Carl had promised him half of the salary cap money. I thought he did pretty well in getting a first and third when everyone knew that Allen was hating Carl.
Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read. - Groucho Marx
by Big Chief on Oct 20, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus the Hershel Walker deal
is the biggest hustle ever. Also with the Vikes.
Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read. - Groucho Marx
by Big Chief on Oct 20, 2009 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't we get a 1st and 2 3rds...
That is a deal hard to turn down. Plus we dont know how these players will do. If one ends up being a 6 year starter and the other 2 end up being solid depth then were good.
by darwithabar on Oct 20, 2009 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We got:
Albert-okay player showing himself to NOT be a very good LT though
Jamaal Charles-Shown absolutely NOTHING all year
Brad Cottam-Don’t even get me started
The Vikes got: Jared Allen-Leads the NFL in sacks and is probably the most disruptive pass rusher in the game.-Future Hall of Famer most likely.
We got the shaft.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Oct 20, 2009 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
But it was a self shafting, not a hustle by the Vikes
That was pretty good compensation considering there was no way Jared was going to come back to work for Carl.
Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read. - Groucho Marx
by Big Chief on Oct 20, 2009 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll agree with that.
stupid fucking Carl!!!!
by Chiefsfan1970 on Oct 20, 2009 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Worst part?
We also sent them a 6th rounder who is their everyday Center. He is so good, they let probowler Matt Birk leave in free agency.
Week 7 Prediction:
Kansas City Chiefs 77 - San Diego Chargers 2
by craig in calgary on Oct 20, 2009 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah - that's salt in the wound
This trade will hurt every time I hear about it. I think Carl did great things for this team for about 8-10 years. Then he became just about as bad as he could be.
Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read. - Groucho Marx
by Big Chief on Oct 20, 2009 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We got:
Albert-okay player showing himself to NOT be a very good LT though
Jamaal Charles-Shown absolutely NOTHING all year
Brad Cottam-Don’t even get me started
The Vikes got: Jared Allen-Leads the NFL in sacks and is probably the most disruptive pass rusher in the game.-Future Hall of Famer most likely.
We got the shaft.
But remember, everyone knew we needed a LT, so if we hadn’t traded Allen, we wouldn’t have Dorsey either – because we would have used the #5 pick on a LT.
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
by PVChiefsfan on Oct 21, 2009 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I may be wrong
but wasn’t Allen traded because the Chiefs were worried about his repeated DUI offenses? Most teams get shafted under those circumstances.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Oct 21, 2009 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think so
Jared truly cleaned up his act his final season and has obviously kept that up. When KC traded him I don’t think anyone in the front office really thought that Jared would get in any more trouble.
From what I read and heard, Jared was ticked because Carl didn’t meet promises he’d made to him and because of comments Carl made to the media after Jared’s final DUI arrest. I think a lot of it came down to personalities. I tend to put more of the blame on Carl because Jared wasn’t the first player that Carl had alienated.
Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read. - Groucho Marx
by Big Chief on Oct 21, 2009 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks for the info.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Oct 21, 2009 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do a quick google search on Jared Allen and Carl Peterson
You’ll find a lot of interesting tidbits. One of my favorites is a Q&A with Jared shortly after Carl announced he was resigning. It’s pretty clear he has a lot of bad feelings for Carl.
Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read. - Groucho Marx
by Big Chief on Oct 21, 2009 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he did an interview last week where he was asked about the Chiefs and he said he hopes we do good now that Peterson is gone. It was on here not long ago, just too lazy to search for it.
by JComp11 on Oct 21, 2009 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've been away from KC since all this went dow, but didn't JA open a bar in KC sometime in his last season?
I've been rapping for about seveteen years okay? I don't write my stuff anymore I just kick it from my head you know what I'm sayin? I can do that. No disrespect but that's how I am.
by soybon on Oct 21, 2009 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
It was called wine em dine em 69 em
Gotta love Jared
"The road to Easy Street goes through the sewer."
--John Madden
by cpa913 on Oct 21, 2009 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is not!
Is it?
Really?
Is he 12 years old?
Week 7 Prediction:
Kansas City Chiefs 77 - San Diego Chargers 2
by craig in calgary on Oct 22, 2009 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not
but apparently it’s their motto, and his.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Oct 22, 2009 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah and imagine if we had taken Clady there…
by scottbwalters on Oct 21, 2009 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We got..
Morgan, not Cottam for the J Allen deal.
by I_Bleed_Red. on Oct 21, 2009 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those kids can pitch!
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Oct 20, 2009 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
cassel is taking a ton of sacks and one its because he has no o line goff is horrible
and was banged up a bit and we just lost our starting tackle albert. we are pretty much banged up on our entire line and fitting in new pieces here and there. and cassel always tries to make something happen. And i give cassel credit for as much as he is scrambling he takes care of the ball which is pretty good giving the fact that the pressure is on him . as for the chargers lt is done merriman is done . i smell rebuild in san diego with a fireing of norv turner after you guys dont make the playoffs.
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Oct 20, 2009 11:24 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
And i still say chargers biggest down fall was gettting rid of marty
Lt biggest down fall was losing lorenzo neil . After he left LT career was over . And on top of that acting got in the way of LT career. ANd merriman downfall was tia tequilla. case closed
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Oct 20, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it was hiring Norv
With the talent the Chargers have had only someone like Norv could keep them from the Superbowl. That window of opportunity is obviously closed now. I do agree AJ was stupid to get rid of Marty. But hiring Norv was even dumber.
Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read. - Groucho Marx
by Big Chief on Oct 20, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i believe if they would have kept drew brees and kept marty they would have
won a superbowl a long time ago no doubt. drew brees has been on fire since he left them with less talented recievers. Also i have to say in my opinion every team that gets close has a small window to make a run for the superbowl. and chargers missed that boat when marty left they just are not the same . i mean look at the coaching staff they had marty , wade phillips ,cam cameron i mean wow that is an all star cast. Although i feel wade is a horrible head coach his defensive coaching is amazing . chargers are finished rebuilding is coming soon. watch out for kc and denver. and maybe even oakland if they had a qb they would be dangerous to.
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Oct 20, 2009 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
can you imagine THAT group in KC?
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Oct 20, 2009 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh man i would be loving my life i hate wade hate him with a passion
but i cant deny the guy just knows his x and os and a d cordinator.
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Oct 20, 2009 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He...
will probably be available after this season.
by I_Bleed_Red. on Oct 21, 2009 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brees
Not only was Brees injured and on the decline when he left, he turned down a contract with the Chargers because he didn’t want to compete with Rivers.
Also, I requested no trash-talking.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Oct 20, 2009 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey that was a good question.
IMO Brees to the Saints is one of the best things that could have happened to the rest of the AFC West. Not that Rivers is a bad QB, but Brees is elite.
I’m sure there are Charger fans second guessing that one, just as there are Chiefs fans wishing we had Jared Allen back.
"The road to Easy Street goes through the sewer."
--John Madden
by cpa913 on Oct 20, 2009 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There’s fewer than you’d think. Rivers is better at this age than Brees was, and he has better physical gifts. He has the potential to be better than Brees and is certainly in the same class as him today.
Look, getting rid of Brees was obvious to everyone. He hated the GM for drafting Rivers, he needed serious surgery after the season and he just wasn’t very good in his final season. Actually, he was a roller coaster ride in SD. Every good season was followed by a mediocre or bad one. I’d rather have Rivers right now.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Oct 20, 2009 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
+1 Rivers is a top 10 QB and rising
He looks very poised in the “pocket” using the term loosely. He was under a lot of pressure last night and made some quality throws. Denver’s defense is very good and they get after the QB.
by Spunky on Oct 20, 2009 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He does that every week it seems.
Also, he plays better in the clutch and when he’s pissed. I know that probably doesn’t mean much, but I certainly appreciate it.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Oct 20, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
From everything I read...
Clutch is a myth. If an elite player was capable of stepping it up in the “clutch” why wouldn’t he just step it up all the time.
Desperately hoping for Desperate Measures
by averagegatsby on Oct 21, 2009 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fine
He’s a better player in the 4th quarter, when his team is down and he’s throwing on every play.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Oct 21, 2009 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im not saying there isn't something to it...
of course the article I read based it on quarterback rating which is a very flawed stat in and of itself. I think stats are padded because of prevent defenses, and of course QB ratings are a little flawed by spiking a ball.
I just dont believe that a player is capable of rising to the occasion, if anything other players are incapable of maintaining their normal performance because of excess pressure.
Desperately hoping for Desperate Measures
by averagegatsby on Oct 21, 2009 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So then clutch could be defined as “maintaining normal performance despite excess pressure.” Either way, Rivers is clutch.
by CoastalBronco on Oct 21, 2009 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The point is Clutch is a stupid term...
there is good or not good. “Clutch” players are good all the time.
here is an article about it, its from ESPN the magazine and requires an insider membership to read it, if you dont have an insider I can email you the article its pretty short.
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/insider/news/story?id=4502503
Desperately hoping for Desperate Measures
by averagegatsby on Oct 21, 2009 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
good article
It supports your position well. The only thing that negatively affects its credibility is this bit: “Bad QBs overall, such as Kyle Orton, are bad in the clutch.”
by CoastalBronco on Oct 22, 2009 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
fair enough...
but it also says that there is no correlation from year to year.
Desperately hoping for Desperate Measures
by averagegatsby on Oct 22, 2009 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, it’s a good take on the subject. The Orton comment was meant in jest.
by CoastalBronco on Oct 22, 2009 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I never meant to attack..
if I was even taken that way. But I think its demeaning to call a player clutch because it dimenishes what he does at all other times… Payton Manning isn’t a clutch QB… He is a great QB, Im not sure Rivers is there yet, he may very well get there… Personally I hope not, but its very likely he will be.
Desperately hoping for Desperate Measures
by averagegatsby on Oct 22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wasn't taken that way at all
No worries. I appreciate the new perspective. So, thanks!
But I still don’t want to face Rivers with the game on the line in the 4th quarter. ;-)
I guess that may be the definition of “clutch”: when you’re scared of (or confident in, depending on your perspective) a guy’s ability when the game is on the line.
by CoastalBronco on Oct 22, 2009 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I remember Brees being up and down
but after they brought in Rivers Brees played incredibly (and inconveniently) good. I heard a lot of differing stories about his surgery. There was the Chargers line that it would be difficult for him to snap back from that. Then there was the opinion I heard from a few commentators that it wasn’t as bad as it was made out to be and it was a convenient excuse for letting Brees go.
Rivers is certainly a top QB, and may even be on the verge of being an elite QB, but I think most people view Brees as an elite QB right now. Do you really see Rivers as being at the same level as Brees right now?
Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read. - Groucho Marx
by Big Chief on Oct 20, 2009 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no way rivers had much more talent surrounding him and a better defense
at one point and they still cant win. just look at his recievers vincent jackson he came along way but he is a stud . antonio gates at one point he was on the heels of tony g. ladanian probably going to the actors gild and walk of fame for commercial and sadly maybe even the hall of fame. sproles dangerous. chambers pretty good number two reciever. and one of the best offensive lines in the business. fact is brees by now would have won 2 super bowl rings even with lt missing those playoff games its just a fact the guy is a gamer rivers is good but just doesnt have the accuracy or the touch brees has brees puts it on the money in stride where rivers throws hospital balls that get deflected with a talented playoff defense.
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Oct 20, 2009 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rivers is as good as 'most any QB in the league.
My point would be that the issue was never with Brees, but the supporting cast.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 21, 2009 11:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Much respect for Rivers.
But I think that the problem wasn’t with Brees in the first place. Think what they might’ve done up front or elsewhere on the roster with the Philip Rivers pick and money. And this was something that went back to Marty, who seemed to be a great coach-em-up guy, but when his teams started gelling, Marty never quite saw what was missing, imo, and the Brees-Rivers controversy was part and parcel of Marty missing the point.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 21, 2009 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Rivers pick was necessary
Here was Brees’ season before Rivers was drafted:
2-9 record (8-8 the season before)
57.6% completion
2,108 yards
11 TDs
15 Interceptions
67.5 QB Rating
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Oct 22, 2009 5:46 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree
It’s easy to see what Brees is doing now & say it was a bad move going to Rivers, but it wasn’t nearly as clear when SD drafted him. Plus, wasn’t Brees a low-round pick? With that in mind there were probably real question as to whether he could be a good NFL QB when Rivers was taken. And when they decided to let Brees go it’s not like half the league was rolling out the red carpet for him…there were legitimate questions about his ability to come back from his injury.
I can’t stand Rivers, but it’s for the same reasons I hated Elway…because he’s really good. He’s not as good as Elway was, but he’s good.
by jmcgoblue on Oct 22, 2009 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brees was the 1st pick in the 2nd round. He would’ve gone higher but he’s short (6’) and there were questions about his arm strength.
When he was “let go”, he was having major shoulder surgery (bringing in the arm strength question even more). The Chargers, Dolphins and Saints were the only teams interested. The Dolphins low-balled Brees and the Chargers and Saints essentially made the same offer. Brees chose NO because San Diego told him he’d be competing with Rivers for the starting job.
I don’t think they made a single mis-step with the Brees-Rivers thing. They played it about as well as you could’ve. At least Brees left the division/conference.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Oct 22, 2009 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Brees had a Marty-built offense around him and Marty's ideas on offense.
When I looked at Brees, I saw a good QB in a bad situation. Rivers is quickly becoming a good QB in a bad situation, too. Maybe this time they’ll judge him more fairly.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 22, 2009 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can't argue that
but I think Rivers’ and Marty’s best year offensively was when they were together and went 14-2. The offense was called perfectly. Perfect balance, just the right amount of creativity. Cam Cameron may be the best OC in the league, IMO.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Oct 22, 2009 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
rivers
is num 4 in the nfl manning brady brees
okay i have cereal palsy arhrtis and chronic fatiue as well i have a grea life loveing folks some days are better that other days i got a make a wish in 2001 saw my favorive team the broncos was the trip of the lifetime i wish everyone couild gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that ok but i bleed organ and bule
by j-man on Oct 22, 2009 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brees? On the decline???
I don’t know about that John. He is among the most elite of elite QBs as is Rivers but, Brees has gone on to do more with less in NO. I mean, the guy was what, less than 50 yards away from beating Dan Marinos record last year. Brees is a LONG way from showing any sign of slowing down.
Damn! Why didn’t we get him?
by Chiefsfan1970 on Oct 20, 2009 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999
"The road to Easy Street goes through the sewer."
--John Madden
by cpa913 on Oct 20, 2009 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not only was Brees injured and on the decline when he left
Brees’ QB Ratings with the Chargers:
76.9
67.5
104.8
89.2
His lowest rating since leaving the Chargers: 89.4
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Oct 20, 2009 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
There...
isn’t a more accurate QB in the NFL right now, he leads by example. Not to mention Brees is the emotional leader of the team. That is what the Chiefs are missing the most! We need that Ray Lewis, Brian Dawkins, Drew Brees type that is going to lead this team to a Superbowl.
by I_Bleed_Red. on Oct 21, 2009 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don't think Cassel is an emotional leader???
I most definitely do.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Oct 22, 2009 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe...
I’m talking the pre-game player that gets everyone pumped up.
by I_Bleed_Red. on Oct 23, 2009 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Marty coached 5 seasons, got to 2 playoff games and went 0-2.
Norv coached 2 seasons, got to 5 playoff games and went 3-2.
I’ll take Norv.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Oct 20, 2009 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Marty always broke our hearts too
But Norv won’t have Marty’s leftover players for too much longer, so that’s not really a fair comparison.
"The road to Easy Street goes through the sewer."
--John Madden
by cpa913 on Oct 20, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
?
Marty drafted players?
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Oct 20, 2009 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Do you honestly think
that AJ took zero input from Marty?
Desperately hoping for Desperate Measures
by averagegatsby on Oct 21, 2009 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Marty was fired because they hated each other. During his last season, they didn’t even talk to each other (this was widely reported). So yes, I think AJ took zero input from Marty.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Oct 21, 2009 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But wouldn't
it be fair to say that the drafts post Marty haven’t been as good as the drafts while he was still there?
Desperately hoping for Desperate Measures
by averagegatsby on Oct 21, 2009 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Draft picks have also been considerably lower, due to playoff wins since Marty left.
by CoastalBronco on Oct 21, 2009 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
So its not possible to have good drafts
when have a late round pick? Because its not like the Patriots aren’t able to do just fine every year with late picks. But Im sure you guys will do just fine picking early in the rounds when you guys miss the playoffs this year with Norv as your captain.
I think its pretty ridiculous to say that Norv is a better coach than Marty, granted Marty has his short comings, but Norv is a trainwreck, that has slowly been killing one of the better rosters in football.
Desperately hoping for Desperate Measures
by averagegatsby on Oct 21, 2009 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And...
the year they should of won the Superbowl they lost to the Patriots because that player idiotically fumbled the ball after an INT. The one thing you could say is that Chargers were a much more physical team before Norv became coach.
by I_Bleed_Red. on Oct 21, 2009 11:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe
The event you’re talking about, McCree’s int and fumble, actually occurred on Marty’s watch. In 2006, Marty’s team blew a fourth quarter lead at home in a 24-21 loss to the Patriots in the first round. LT rushed for 123 yards, caught two passes for 64 yards, and scored two touchdowns. FWIW, I was at the game.
The next year, 2007, Norv’s team won two playoff games, beating the Titans at home and the Colts in Indy, before losing to the Patriots in the AFC Championship game in Foxboro. Against the Patriots, RIvers played through a torn MCL, and LT didn’t return after leaving early in the 1st quarter with an injury. The game was closer than the score would indicate, as the Patriots put the game away with a late 4th quarter TD.
Incidentally, McCree was released by the Chargers at the end of 2007. He was a significant contributor to Denver’s deplorable defense last year.
by CoastalBronco on Oct 22, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know...
it was under Marty. My point was that it was the players fault and not Marty’s.
by I_Bleed_Red. on Oct 23, 2009 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not that it isn't possible to have a good draft with later picks
It’s just much easier to get quality players or trade picks that are high in each round. Mentioning the Patriots fails to take into account the relative difficulty of 31 other teams. I’m not real impressed with AJ’s drafts over the past few years, but I do have to admit that it’s probably easier drafting earlier.
Regarding Marty vs. Norv, I posted my take further down in this thread in a conversation with sexassassin. I used to be a Marty defender, but when I took a step back from it to reevaluate I realized that I was giving Norv an unfair shake. I’m not saying either coach is spectacular or terrible, but that Marty doesn’t appear to be head and shoulders above Norv.
by CoastalBronco on Oct 22, 2009 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is just getting away from my original point...
I think its clear that Marty did have some input in the drafts. Carl did not draft as well after him either.
Marty is great in the regular season he builds and runs a team very efficiently but obviously he has his shortcomings in the post season. But I have always said and will continue to say that Norv is not a good coach, and the fact that he keeps getting opportunities is baffling to me
Desperately hoping for Desperate Measures
by averagegatsby on Oct 22, 2009 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
even though marty went o-2 those were your first times in the playoffs for most those players
and you guys truly lost the one thing marty was good at that no san diego person will admit you lost his talent evaluation. after losing him your talent coming in had a major drop offf. you stop running the ball and playing hard nose team football . i feel you guys lost all heart with out him. and norv pretty much lost you guys a playoff seed every year he has been their because of his lack of play calling and lack of defense.
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Oct 20, 2009 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Marty was the Head Coach, not the GM.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Oct 20, 2009 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
i know he was not the gm at the same time dont you think he has
a little pull on who they are going after im sure he does. hell we almost hired him just do evaluate player here this year. trust me marty made you contenders norv turner made you pretenders bottom line its over. after you guys miss the playoffs this year you guys are going to rebuild. its a done deal you guys are getting old
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Oct 20, 2009 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can I interview you? This is as close as I’m going to get to a Chargers’ “insider”. What type of coffee does AJ Smith drink? Is it true Norv pets an evil white cat when creating his weekly gameplans?
I feel bad for you if your life is trash-talking about the inner-workings of a team that you know very little about.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Oct 20, 2009 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
He is making...
some good points. I think you are viewing your team with homer eyes. You guys are going to get less talented after this next offseason. Your entire WR core is up for sale, as is your franchise LT. Not to mention Merriman and Sproles. Rebuild.
by I_Bleed_Red. on Oct 21, 2009 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You make that statement as if Marty or Norv were the only choices
Beware a GM who is constantly going after retread coaches.
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by Big Chief on Oct 20, 2009 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps
But didn’t Marty inherit a much worse team than Norv did? If memory serves, SD was pretty much in the basement when Marty got them, not at all when Norv took over.
by Supersport on Oct 20, 2009 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
norv took over a superbowl team with a super bowl
formula and he changed them in to a passing team with bad defense i mean i dont know how you cannnot win a super bowl . when all the pieces are there he should have been fired. now they are over the hill good luck rebuilding under norv hahahahah
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by sexassassin on Oct 20, 2009 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True
but Marty had Tomlinson and Gates in their primes. Everyone talks like Marty’s teams never lost in the regular season. The new GMs made a bunch of great draft picks, built a great team and Marty gave them this:
12-4 (0-1 in playoffs)
9-7 (no playoffs)
14-2 (0-1 in playoffs)
To me, that’s worse than what Norv has done thusfar:
11-5 (2-1 in playoffs)
8-8 (1-1 in playoffs)
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Oct 20, 2009 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Marty did a lot to bring this team around
Say what you want about his playoff record, the guy knew how to turn a team around and get the most out of his players. He did it in Cleveland, KC, and San DIego. And I think he should have been given the opportunity to make it work. That last year was also Rivers first year as a starter (if memory serves) and I think he could very well have won it all within the next couple of years. I think he earned the opportunity. But for whatever reason he and AJ didn’t see eye to eye and out he went. I don’t recall that ever being blamed on Marty’s playoff record except as an afterthought.
While Norv has been a good, if not great, OC, I think his HC skills have always left a lot to be desired. His teams always seem to under-perform their talent level. Even now the team is better than its record. The team is declining a lot faster than it should, or in my opinion would, with a good coach. This is his third year and it’s looking like Norv could very well have a worse record than the prior year yet again.
Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read. - Groucho Marx
by Big Chief on Oct 20, 2009 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm no Norv fan
and I think Marty could’ve won that next year. But, SD problems seem to me mostly age and injury. I think they are going down the Carl Petersen path right now – keeping the old guys around more for sentimentality and wishing they were still the players they were.
Air Cassel - approved for takeoff
by kabrink on Oct 20, 2009 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Oct 21, 2009 4:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That Chargers won’t be 8-8 or worse this season. Take a look at their cupcake schedule from here on out.
I won’t argue that Marty is great at turning teams around and that’s why he was brought in. I just don’t think he’s great at winning Super Bowls once he turns the team around.
The reason Marty was “fired”, was because he wanted to hire his son as Offensive Coordinator after Cam Cameron left and AJ Smith wanted to hire Norv Turner. It became a stalemate and they forced the owner to choose to fire one of them. He went with Marty, who wasn’t going to be around forever due to his age and could be more easily replaced the AJ Smith.
Norv’s regular season record with the Chargers is not dissimilar to Marty’s. His playoff record is much better.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Oct 21, 2009 4:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
On the money, John.
By the time he was coaching in SD, Marty knew he was a hopeless playoff coach. You could see it in his eyes. He’s out of his depth when it comes down to big games against the best teams. He’ll win the ones he should and win a few he shouldn’t on special teams or defense, but he NEVER understood the offensive side of things, imo.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 21, 2009 11:57 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Absolutely correct
It was strange to see his confidence completely disappear when the playoffs started. He would panic and use timeouts like he had a million of them. It was very odd. The team sensed his un-ease, and it led to a lot of mistakes and soft play.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Oct 22, 2009 5:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Patriots...
O-line wasn’t that great…Cassel’s problem is that he holds onto the ball too long. That was his problem in NE and his problem here…Granted he has less time here because our O-line is in fact worse. He needs to get the quick routes down…and when he does have time not overthrow his target.
by Chiefsfan85 on Oct 20, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s what I tried to say in the preseason. Nobody wanted to believe that he held the ball too long. Everyone was sure the Patriots line was just terrible. It’s not.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Oct 20, 2009 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Say what you will, but I'm on the Cassel bandwagon.
During the Dallas game, he was hit on something like 26 of 32 passing plays. If you have defenders in your face as soon as you take your 3 or 5 step drop, ya, it’s going to look like he holds the ball to long.
He makes smart decisions. No interceptions the last few weeks. He’s looked good under a ton of pressure.
"The road to Easy Street goes through the sewer."
--John Madden
by cpa913 on Oct 20, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I absolutely agree that he makes smart decisions and is accurate, I just think he plays like Roethlisberger (which doesn’t work well when you’re not Ben’s size). Could it be that he was hit on 26 of 32 passing plays because he held on until the absolute last second?
I like Cassel and hope he turns into a great QB. I just feel like that big contract is not going to look so great in a year or two. Personal opinion only.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Oct 20, 2009 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It works for Cassel...
He’s only an inch shorter and 10 lbs. lighter then Ben.
by butchcassidy on Oct 20, 2009 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I stand corrected.
I still think Ben’s style only works because of the great defense and offensive line. And Ben’s ability to take tons of concussions.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Oct 20, 2009 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d rather have Cassel taking sacks over trying to force something and throw a pick. That is exactly what he has done in the last three weeks.
And the Patriot’s line had problems with injuries last year, it isn’t like Cassel was playing behind their best.
by JComp11 on Oct 21, 2009 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True
I didn’t realize that, but Neal missed 7 games and Kaczur missed 2. Still, his sack numbers in 2008 are almost David Carr-esque.
Cassel won’t be wildly successful until the Chiefs can put him behind a big, strong, talented offensive line.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Oct 21, 2009 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agreed. I was one that didn’t believe you were right about Goff, so I apologize. We’re loaded with early and mid round picks so hopefully our OL will be retooled this offseason.
by JComp11 on Oct 21, 2009 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for admitting to that. I know it’s tough not to get excited about a guy like that (he was fantastic before he fell apart).
One other thing I remember pointing out during that discussion was that I thought Vrabel was finished. I didn’t think he’d be a decent option as a starting OLB. I see that he hasn’t gotten any sacks, but he seems to have collected a bunch of tackles. How has he been?
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Oct 21, 2009 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
With 26 tackles and a sack, Vrabel has looked like a great 2nd player in the Cassel trade. As with anything, different people on here have differing opinions on him (some say he looks old and slow) but I think he’s done quite well and looks to be the leader of the defense.
As a secondary player in that trade, we definitely got a good deal.
by JComp11 on Oct 21, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I kindof figured that he’d be chipping in as a leader on defense. I don’t know that he’s meant to be anything more than a stopgap at that position, so as long as he’s holding his own and bringing the kids along that should be enough.
Thanks for the info…..and the level-headedness.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Oct 21, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Through training camp Zach Thomas appeared to be the real leader of the D, but his injury and subsequent release has shown that Vrabel still has “it.”
As different as the opinions by the Chiefs fans are on this team, you’ll find the majority of people hope to draft a good LB this year with one of our pile of picks.
by JComp11 on Oct 21, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also..
Im not sure Vrabel was brought in for his on field production. I think he was brought in to show young players a proper work ethic.
Desperately hoping for Desperate Measures
by averagegatsby on Oct 21, 2009 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't Forget
about the TD he nabbed too…
Put this in your pipe and smoke it:
1. Chiefs will be at least 8-8 and vie for division champs
2. DJ will break out and finally have his year
3. LJ returns to form
4. DBowe drops will reduce
by kcchiefsfan72 on Oct 22, 2009 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, you're right
Especially with the line that we have right now. We have few interceptions, but not many passing yards either.
by Supersport on Oct 20, 2009 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The contract is a non-issue
the chiefs are still under the league minimum.
Desperately hoping for Desperate Measures
by averagegatsby on Oct 21, 2009 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
AND, KC now gets him for 6 years (if he pans out) for about what it would have cost for two years at a “Franchise Player” salary. Yes, the contract is always reported at $60m, but it’s only $28m guaranteed. I don’t know what all the escalator clauses are to reach that $60m, but I’d assume most of it is based on good performance….so it’s a below average QB contract of about $5m per season if he plays awful, and $10m per season if he’s a star. Sounds like a smart contract from the team’s perspective to me.
He’s already shown that he can be a good NFL QB (as a 1st year starter no less) with good talent around him.
by jmcgoblue on Oct 22, 2009 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So what'
Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read. - Groucho Marx
by Big Chief on Oct 20, 2009 11:25 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
So what's up with Merriman?
Any idea why he’s not been the player he was before? What are the Bolt fans think?
post above is a keyboard fail.
Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read. - Groucho Marx
by Big Chief on Oct 20, 2009 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s injured, but I don’t think that’s the whole story. Merriman came back with huge muscles this year and it’s obvious he spent most of last season in the gym. I think he’s lost some speed and flexibility because of it.
On a side note, there’s rumors flying that he’s headed to the Patriots today.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Oct 20, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Question
If that trade rumor is true, What kind of trade do you think it might be? I’m thinking maybe a 5th round pick but I’m not sure how much he has left in the tank.
is it me? or isn't about time the Lamar Hunt trophy belonged to His team?
I’m a Chiefs fan Dammit and I’m damn proud of it!
by KC Fanatic on Oct 20, 2009 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No clue
Supposedly the Patriots are looking to trade Adalius Thomas, so it might be a one-for-one deal. I can’t imagine NE giving up anything higher than a 3rd rounder for him. He certainly has potential once he gets healthy, but he’ll also probably be looking for a big deal after this season.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Oct 20, 2009 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He doesn't seem to be playing with the same fire
has their been changes in the D scheme since he went out with his injury?
Also, any chance AJ resigns him or did the surgery disagreement end that?
Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read. - Groucho Marx
by Big Chief on Oct 20, 2009 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes. Ted Cottrell was replaced by Ron Rivera as D Coordinator and the defense changed.
AJ won’t re-sign him (unless it’s for really cheap as a RFA), but it has to do with more than just the injury dispute. They don’t see eye-to-eye on a lot of things.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Oct 20, 2009 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
merriman is just hurt and cant stay healthy . plus he off the field issues and steriod issues
hes just done . He is the sammy sosa of football . At one time he was on top of the world and the game. But really it was just the juice that made him the great that he was only to fall on his face after the juice is over. ANd its just a fact he hasnt done nothing since he was caught for steroids nothing.
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Oct 20, 2009 11:30 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
It's too bad he didn't get caught sooner
before he injured Priest.
Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read. - Groucho Marx
by Big Chief on Oct 20, 2009 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
Week 7 Prediction:
Kansas City Chiefs 77 - San Diego Chargers 2
by craig in calgary on Oct 20, 2009 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
77-2?
Usually teams that score 77 points don’t give up safeties….
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Oct 20, 2009 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right
Those 21 sacks in the 20 games after he came back from suspension were just luck.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Oct 20, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
dude hes done merriman is done and he was in the best shape of his life
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Oct 20, 2009 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ya i was at that game and that hit was as loud as a gun shot
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by sexassassin on Oct 20, 2009 11:35 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Do you think Merriman feels as bad about that hit...
as LT does about his hit on Theisman?
Desperately hoping for Desperate Measures
by averagegatsby on Oct 21, 2009 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, somebody asked him.....
LAYBOY: Has Holmes ever said anything to you about the hit?
MERRIMAN: It was awkward, because I saw him two years ago at—of all places—the Playboy Mansion. He was standing beside me, and I didn’t know who he was until one of my boys tapped me and said, "Hey, isn’t that Priest?" I looked over and said, "Oh shit, it is." It was awkward, because on the field I’m a beast and a killer. I’m going to try to get you by any means necessary. But off the field I’m not like that. When I saw him I didn’t even know what to say. I said, "What’s up?" I tell all the players, "On the field I’m going to try to knock you out, but during the off-season, call me and I’ll show up at your charity event." That’s just the way I am.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Oct 21, 2009 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was just curious
because I saw an interview with LT and he said he is still haunted by the sound Theisman’s leg made. He also said he thought about retiring after that hit.
Desperately hoping for Desperate Measures
by averagegatsby on Oct 21, 2009 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
is it too late to nullify the Goff deal?
Bowe is by far best WR, Wade is ok but underused – no speed in that position, but some capable hands
Cassel is getting plowed under so much he should get a farm subsidy from the US Dept of Agriculture
Discussion Questions
1 are the Charger special teams that bad?
2 are the Charger special teams that good?
3 can KC sign Royal to a special one-game contract before Sunday?
4 if KC and SD swap LJ for LT, which fanbase screams “FOUL!” louder?
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Oct 20, 2009 11:42 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd take...
LJ anyday…Both have had their issues…both have hardly anything left…I just go with what I’m used to until we get another starting RB.
by Chiefsfan85 on Oct 20, 2009 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the devil you know
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Oct 20, 2009 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
1 are the Charger special teams that bad?
As bad as last night? No. Their special teams have been quite solid up until that game. I think they focused a lot on fixing the offense and defense for the Denver game and Royal blew them up. For what it’s worth, Cromartie was pulled from coverage after the 2nd TD and things got better.
2 are the Charger special teams that good?
Yes. Scifres and Kaeding are probably the best or second best at their position in the league. Sproles is a top 5 kick/punt returner. Osgood is the best kick coverage guy in the league.
3 can KC sign Royal to a special one-game contract before Sunday?
Doubt it, but if anyone could figure out how it’d be Pioli.
4 if KC and SD swap LJ for LT, which fanbase screams "FOUL!" louder?
Whew, tough question. Probably KC’s. San Diego knows that LT is done, but we still want to help him go out the right way.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Oct 20, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
help him go out the right way ...
maybe Norv should present him with a Key to the City at the coin flip sometime … he might get the hint
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Oct 20, 2009 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish the Chargers had drafted a starting RB this season. LT could be a very effective 2nd RB/3rd down RB.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Oct 20, 2009 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But then what
would you do with Sproles?
by ttownmikey on Oct 20, 2009 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trade him to the Chiefs
so they can get Mike Goff back
"The road to Easy Street goes through the sewer."
--John Madden
by cpa913 on Oct 20, 2009 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that's
a trade that everyone in KC would jump on board with & even chip in to buy the plane tickets for both!
by ttownmikey on Oct 20, 2009 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
in a heartbeat
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Oct 20, 2009 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
leave him as KR/PR
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Oct 20, 2009 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
from the outside
looking in: LT isn’t nearly the threat as a 3rd down back as what Sproles is; however, you see them much more frequently then what I do. If you can hang onto both of them though, that would be the way to go but I don’t think that LT has much left after the workload & the injuries.
by ttownmikey on Oct 21, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that LT doesn’t have much left, but I think what’s left is still very valuable. I think he’s just as good of a 3rd down back as Sproles (LT is not as good of a blocker, but a better runner), and would also serve the purpose of emergency backup RB (which Sproles cannot).
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Oct 21, 2009 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
first off if we did trade Lj for Lt i would be pissed atleast Lj comes in to camp and wants to play
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Oct 20, 2009 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We should just hand off to Sproles
then he’d be offsides all the time!
by krayfish on Oct 20, 2009 2:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Here's a question...
Is your front 3 interior lineman (RG C LG) really that poor after losing Hardwick and I think that other guy (don’t know his name)? It seemed like in the 2nd half Denver was getting a ton of pressure straight up the middle.
How has Louis Vasquez been so far up to this point?
Best punter in the AFC west Colquitt, Scrifes or Lechler? (Hint he plays in KC xD)
by butchcassidy on Oct 20, 2009 3:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Is your front 3 interior lineman (RG C LG) really that poor after losing Hardwick and I think that other guy (don’t know his name)? It seemed like in the 2nd half Denver was getting a ton of pressure straight up the middle.
Denver was sending some pretty insane blitzes. The other guy is Louis Vasquez, who is now healthy and playing great. What the Chargers really miss is Hardwick’s protection calls before every play. It seems every since he left the team is always letting a blitzer run free.
How has Louis Vasquez been so far up to this point?
When he’s healthy, he’s been great. Great at pass protection and run blocking. He looks like he belongs as a starting RG in the NFL. Big upgrade over Goff last season.
Best punter in the AFC west Colquitt, Scrifes or Lechler?
Sorry, I gotta go with a tie between Scifres and Lechler. Colquitt is currently has the 19th best average in the league, and he’s certainly getting enough chances to boost that.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Oct 20, 2009 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Colquitt is number one in return yards in the entire NFL only allowing 44
and number one in attmepts with 41 punts. He also ties for first in the NFL for 11 fair catches. Scrifes and Lechler have allowed 150 and 1 TD, and 239 return yards. I just don’t see the logic, Lechler does have more yards punting though, which doesn’t factor into the game as much as landing your opponent inside the 20 which Colquitt has also done 4 more times. Not only is Colquitt the best in the AFC West, he is the best in the NFL (IN MY OPINION)
On another note-
Do you think the Chargers will resign Sproles after this year?
How has your secondary been this year, in particular Cromartie has he bounced back for a big year after he had a hard time after his stellar rookie season?
"The spirit, the will to win, and the will to excel are the things that endure. These qualities are so much more important than the events that occur." - Vince Lombardi
by Shawn on Oct 20, 2009 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you think the Chargers will resign Sproles after this year?
I doubt it. The only way it happens is if he tests the free agency waters and nobody offers him anything. He’s a kick returner/third down RB like Leon Washington and shouldn’t get paid like a starting RB.
How has your secondary been this year, in particular Cromartie has he bounced back for a big year after he had a hard time after his stellar rookie season?
Cromartie had a really good game against the Broncos on Monday, but besides that has been pretty terrible all year. He’s very soft (doesn’t bump, doesn’t tackle) and plays 10 yards off the ball at all times. I’m hoping his big game against Denver is going to propel him towards becoming a solid CB again.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Oct 21, 2009 4:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Got to disagree with you on best punter
Colquitt is #3 in net average (Lechler #2) in the entire NFL. That means he’s getting good hang time. He’s also #2 in punts inside the 20 – Oh and Colquitt has only given up 44 return yards all year. That’s what you want from your punter.
Shawn – you beat me to the post on this one! Colquitt is by far the best punter in the AFC West.
"The road to Easy Street goes through the sewer."
--John Madden
by cpa913 on Oct 20, 2009 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fellas
6 games is not enough time to judge the best punter in the AFC West.
I never said Colquitt wasn’t good. I just think there’s Lechler, Scifres (and maybe Andy Lee) and then everybody else.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Oct 21, 2009 4:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Net vs. gross = Net wins!
Here is a link to a very interesting article which says it better than I could:
by ttownmikey on Oct 21, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget to REC this one
so we can keep the “non-trash talking” going
"The road to Easy Street goes through the sewer."
--John Madden
by cpa913 on Oct 20, 2009 3:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather not.
He comes to OUR SITE and insults our members who have every right to their opinion.
I gave him the benefit of the doubt until he said Drew Brees was declining a couple years ago.
Week 7 Prediction:
Kansas City Chiefs 77 - San Diego Chargers 2
by craig in calgary on Oct 20, 2009 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's allowed to be wrong. He roots for the Bolts.
Rivers is a very good quarterback. He just will never be an elite Brady, Manning, Brees type QB. Let’s hear him out.
"The road to Easy Street goes through the sewer."
--John Madden
by cpa913 on Oct 20, 2009 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm a Chiefs fan and I'm calling you on this
Rivers, Roethlisberger, and Brees are the class of young QB’s.. Consider Manning and Brady are among the greatest of all time, they are the sages and nobody will take that away from them as long as they’re playing. But the three QB’s I just mentioned have a chance
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
by 808NaNz808 on Oct 20, 2009 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nanz
You can add Roethlisberger to the list. But Rivers? Are you kidding me? Rivers will never win a Superbowl, therefore, not in that league. Brees may win one this year!
"The road to Easy Street goes through the sewer."
--John Madden
by cpa913 on Oct 20, 2009 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Glad you can see into the future….
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Oct 21, 2009 4:17 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
And BTW...
The class of young QBs is Ryan, Flacco, and Sanchez. Get a clue!
"The road to Easy Street goes through the sewer."
--John Madden
by cpa913 on Oct 20, 2009 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sanchez?
Those 5 ints or 5 tds he threw. Dont put him in that list. And your telling him to get a clue.
by darwithabar on Oct 21, 2009 12:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sanchez to me sounds like another san diego guy i know ryan leaf
tons of success then just falls apart. and it dont look like sanchez has much of a heart for these losses he jsut seems to lose it after games. the only thing i would says is ryan leaf didnt get what being in the nfl means he wanted to gamble go party live the fast life sanchez atleast wants to be great. so hope he turns it around then again . sanchez is getting alot of told ya soooos right now.
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Oct 21, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sanchez is not nearly the that Leaf was
Holy cow was that guy a jerk. Like you say, Sanchez at least seems be a nice guy. I’ve heard it questioned whether he has the arm strength for cold weather games, since that’s when he started he tanking a bit. BUT, he is just a rookie, and QBs usually need three years before the game starts slowing down for them (Ryan and Flacco being the notable exceptions).
by CoastalBronco on Oct 21, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ryan and Flacco also didn’t come in with the expectations that NY fans put on Sanchez. That alone has to be tough on a rookie.
I think we’ll see Eli Manning-like numbers through the first few years of his career. Hopefully he can handle the NY fans through his learning process like Eli did.
by JComp11 on Oct 21, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
I had “profanity removed” in brackets between “the” and “that” in my headline about Leaf. Must be an html thing…
by CoastalBronco on Oct 21, 2009 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is
The system hates stuff in brackets
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Oct 21, 2009 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no that's are the two years and under crew
a lot can still go wrong in their career’s (i.e Sanchez’s recent fall from glory).. I was talking about the young elite class just under Manning and Brady and Rivers is in it.
Rivers may never win a super bowl but you don’t need super bowl rings to be good.. Largely considered the greatest QB of all time Dan Marino retired with no rings.
Rivers is a lock for the top 5 in passer ratings at the end of the year amongst 16 game starters in the league. He’s accurate on all levels and performs under pressure. He’s easily the best QB in hanging in the pocket in the league just below Peyton Manning.
To not put Rivers in the same class as Roethlisberger is ludicrous.. Get a clue
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
by 808NaNz808 on Oct 21, 2009 1:10 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
rivers is up there with the elite. i have to admit.
but like you said i dont see him getting to the superbowl anytime soon. and its not cuz of him.
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Oct 21, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't sleep on Eli
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius, in contrary to Glenn Dorsey lining up in the 2-tech
by ArrowSpread on Oct 23, 2009 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Never metioned him
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
by 808NaNz808 on Oct 23, 2009 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least it is amusing....
Got to give it up to sexassassin for not backing down
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by GanjaChief on Oct 21, 2009 1:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t understand how stating my opinion on Brees offends you.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Oct 21, 2009 4:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What can we expect to see on the first 15 scripted plays?
Please forward to 1 Arrowhead Drive, ATTN: Pendergast
"The road to Easy Street goes through the sewer."
--John Madden
by cpa913 on Oct 20, 2009 3:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Pendergast wouldn't know what to do with it if you made it a feature film
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Oct 20, 2009 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No clue. Depends on the weaknesses of KC’s defense I would imagine.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Oct 21, 2009 4:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well that sure narrows it down
"The road to Easy Street goes through the sewer."
--John Madden
by cpa913 on Oct 21, 2009 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
will cause a lot
of excitement in the Chargers coaches meetings trying to figure out which one to exploit! Wouldn’t surprise me to hear that Rivera has to separate a couple of them to keep a Fader fiasco from breaking out!
by ttownmikey on Oct 21, 2009 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I imagine trying to get Vincent Jackson (6’5") against Brandon Flowers (5’9") is in that gameplan somewhere.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Oct 21, 2009 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Carr covered Jackson last season
Man to man in both games.. He did alright for a rookie
83 and 89 yards… But I’m sure he would have gotten more than one touchdown if Flowers was on him
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
by 808NaNz808 on Oct 21, 2009 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not going to lie to you
VJ is starting for my Fantasy Football team and I anticipate him having a big week. Sigh.
Week 7 Prediction:
Kansas City Chiefs 77 - San Diego Chargers 2
by craig in calgary on Oct 21, 2009 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As Long As We're Being Honest
I’ve got Gates starting this week for my Fantasy team. I will be more than happy to have 0 points in his slot if the Chiefs can get the W…
Put this in your pipe and smoke it:
1. Chiefs will be at least 8-8 and vie for division champs
2. DJ will break out and finally have his year
3. LJ returns to form
4. DBowe drops will reduce
by kcchiefsfan72 on Oct 22, 2009 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ouch! Never thought about it, but I bet Fantasy has you bettin' your head over your heart a LOT!!!
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 23, 2009 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Check out BTFB, it's like Hog Haven was last week when the Skins fans wanted us to win so Zorn would get fired.
One more time," for those of you Norv-apologists, just wait until next week when the Chargers lose to the Chiefs!
Cowboys fans were scared too. It seems as if the “process” is starting to take hold.
"The road to Easy Street goes through the sewer."
--John Madden
by cpa913 on Oct 20, 2009 4:08 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I think that has more to do with the weakness of the Chargers (or Cowboys or Redskins)
Than them being “afraid of the Chiefs”
Week 7 Prediction:
Kansas City Chiefs 77 - San Diego Chargers 2
by craig in calgary on Oct 20, 2009 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This week they better be "afraid of the Chiefs"
It’s slowly coming together.
"The road to Easy Street goes through the sewer."
--John Madden
by cpa913 on Oct 20, 2009 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It has more to do with people wanting Norv fired than being afraid of the Chiefs. Nobody is afraid of the Chiefs.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Oct 21, 2009 4:19 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Fine
The Redskins are very afraid of the Chiefs.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Oct 21, 2009 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
haha
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
by 808NaNz808 on Oct 21, 2009 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
SLAMMMMM.....
You hear that John, Thats the Chargers Window closing. 8-8 this year and AJ starts the rebuilding. Maybe he brings in Herm to get it started.
by darwithabar on Oct 20, 2009 4:18 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Im not talking smack either....
Thats just the truth. The Chargers are hyped every year but its over man. Marcus McNeil is even declining. You guys need to spend some serious Draft Picks on defense.
by darwithabar on Oct 20, 2009 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah you ARE talking trash
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Oct 20, 2009 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously guys I enjoy trash talking to a Chargers fan just as much as the next guy
I know we know a ton about our division rivals too, but we also have a ton of questions, that’s why he is here for his insight.
"The spirit, the will to win, and the will to excel are the things that endure. These qualities are so much more important than the events that occur." - Vince Lombardi
by Shawn on Oct 20, 2009 4:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah - a serious question about the fans and the guys who run this team
What was the fan reaction to AJ’s comments to the media about the team playing soft? I’m aware he got quoted out of context. But what was the fan take?
As one of the ESPN commentators said today, Norv has never sat on a cold seat. But then I hear he’s in no danger because AJ likes him. What do you think it takes for AJ to give Norv his walking papers.
Is there anyone calling of AJ’s head? What’s the mood about him in Charger-land?
Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read. - Groucho Marx
by Big Chief on Oct 20, 2009 4:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What was the fan reaction to AJ’s comments to the media about the team playing soft? I’m aware he got quoted out of context. But what was the fan take?
Different fans felt differently. Most took Merriman’s side and thought that AJ should be quiet and sit in his GM office with the door closed. I personally felt his words were justified and were a criticism of the coaching staff (“We’ve made no progress in the past year”, talking about Rivera not being better than Cottrell).
As one of the ESPN commentators said today, Norv has never sat on a cold seat. But then I hear he’s in no danger because AJ likes him. What do you think it takes for AJ to give Norv his walking papers.
The Chargers would have to miss the playoffs.
Is there anyone calling of AJ’s head? What’s the mood about him in Charger-land?
Every fanbase has people that want to fire anybody/everybody when things aren’t going perfectly. Lots of people think AJ is the problem. Those people are stupid. He is one of the best GMs in the league and continues to put talent on the field. Nobody who knows anything about the team is calling for AJ’s head. He’s signed until 2014 and will most likely fulfill that contract.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Oct 21, 2009 4:23 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
So, who will
the Chargers bring in to replace Norv? Are their any leading candidates yet?
by ttownmikey on Oct 21, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope
I think if Norv is fired they’ll run through the gamete of “re-treads”. Shanahan, Cowher, etc. If none of them are willing to take the job, I bet the Chargers try to look for a bright young defensive coordinator. Sean McDermott comes to mind.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Oct 21, 2009 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ron Rivera as the inter rim?
He seems like he’s been a favorite over there.. Wrong?
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
by 808NaNz808 on Oct 21, 2009 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah
First off, he interviewed for the HC job and wound up getting the Linebackers Coach job instead. That shows you how much he’s respected. Now, with his defense being passe his stock has dropped even further. One of the biggest mistakes Rivera made was firing all of the defensive assistant coaches (some of whom are having success in Denver now) and replacing them with his assistant coaches from Chicago (who has never coached in a 3-4 defense).
If the Chargers don’t make the playoffs, Norv and Rivera are both gone. Along with Rivera’s Angels.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Oct 21, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I thought the media reports on AJ's comment were pretty unfair
The first reports I heard focused on him just calling them soft, no mention that he also said they played tough at times and soft at times. I think that was ESPN trying to stir the pot. That’s part of why I asked about how the fans felt about AJ.
I’m surprised to hear you think Norv will be gone if they don’t make the playoffs. I thought AJ and he were pretty tight. I thought it would at least take a losing record for him to get axed. With the imbalance in the league this year it’s probably going to take at least 11 wins to be pretty sure you’re going to be in.
Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read. - Groucho Marx
by Big Chief on Oct 21, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Him and AJ are pretty tight, but AJ doesn’t stand for missing the playoffs. You also have to consider that the Chargers remaining schedule is down-feather pillow soft. If Norv can’t get 9-10 wins out of this team against this schedule, that’ll be too much to ignore.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Oct 21, 2009 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you're counting 2 wins against the Chiefs?
Need I remind you that we almost beat you twice last year? Also, Your team isn’t playing nearly as well and our team is actually playing much better.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Oct 22, 2009 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Chiefs strength last year (great TE, quick-passes) were weaknesses in the Chargers defense. The Chiefs no longer have the great TE nor the quick passes, which I think helps the Chargers.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Oct 22, 2009 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seems like Cromartie's not back all the way, yet.
But this has been a WR corps that makes DBs look good, so far!
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 23, 2009 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cromartie has had 4 bad games and 1 great game this year (against the Broncos). Unfortunately, he injured his knee in practice this week so I’m not expecting another great game.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Oct 24, 2009 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm going out on a limb
I’m not an optimist by any standards nor am I a pessimist, I try to stay even keeled. Kansas City will win this Sunday. Final Score:
Kansas City: 20 San Diego: 17
Matt Verderame
by Flowers24 on Oct 20, 2009 4:42 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
We're playing a 2 win team that has had an easier schedule than us
you are not going out on a limb.
"The road to Easy Street goes through the sewer."
--John Madden
by cpa913 on Oct 20, 2009 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
San Diego is reeling right now and the players are done with Norv
They are gonna have a long day at Arrowhead this Sunday.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Oct 20, 2009 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
im glad to see you guys have my back here with this guy . thats what family is all about
i just dont think anyone should ever come on this site and bash our team and our bloggers fuck that. and yes flowers we are going to win this game we always give san diego a game and it really is a must win for us the way the broncos are playing we have to do something to slow them down a victory would put us right in the picture.
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Oct 20, 2009 4:45 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
We're still a long ways away, but if we get on a roll, watch out...
just look at Denver. After a few lucky wins, wins against week opponents, etc., it doesn’t matter how they won anymore, they won. They are winners. They believe. That’s what we need.
"The road to Easy Street goes through the sewer."
--John Madden
by cpa913 on Oct 20, 2009 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I don't know about that.
The Chiefs offense is pretty damn pathetic. I’ll take a win this week against SD and some improvement by the team as a whole (especially the offense) then, we can worry about getting on a winning streak.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Oct 20, 2009 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sure, bro, we got your back ...
(lemme just hide this knife)
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Oct 20, 2009 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow didnt expect that coming from you . oh well
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Oct 20, 2009 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey, we're all APers here, and all here cuz we love our team ...
but we also have a wide range of beliefs and feeling about our team … mine and yours are often different, no biggie, that’s just how it is
I do think you’ve been a bit harsh on John the Chargers Guy (along with a few others)
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Oct 20, 2009 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
its all good upamtn
im not mad at you. i just speakin my mind thats all.
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Oct 20, 2009 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you and me both, bro
I’ve disagreed with a lotta people here from time to time, and not afraid so say so … keep rockin’
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Oct 20, 2009 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn straight!
La Familia!
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by GanjaChief on Oct 21, 2009 1:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks ganja your the man
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Oct 21, 2009 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What was Burnett's injury and will he play Sunday?
Yeah, let's just keep matriculatin' the ball down the field, boys! ...
by oldchiefsfan on Oct 20, 2009 4:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It’s an ankle. The team is stating that they’re expecting him to practice during the week and play on Sunday.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Oct 21, 2009 4:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
on Darren Sproles
Do you think he can be a team’s every down back? I’d love to see him get that chance
by SillyHatDay on Oct 20, 2009 5:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No
He had his chance this season when LT went down. His 2.4 YPC was not a fluke.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Oct 21, 2009 4:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
signal to noise ratio
There is a lot of opinion and name calling flying around this thread, and very little substance. Does anybody on this blog back up their opinions with facts?
John stated why he likes Norv over Marty: Norv wins in the post season. Makes sense to me. Norv has done more with the Chargers, despite injury setbacks, than Marty did. Why would you prefer Marty over Norv?
Coquitt’s 3rd best net punting average is a great reason for him to be in the discussion of the best punter in the AFC West. I wasn’t aware of that stat. So congrats to KC for having a great punter. I hope you enjoy it, you’re uniquely qualified to benefit from it. Nevertheless, it’s humorous that you’re getting into a smack down over your punter being dissed. John was asked his opinion and he have it. Just like some of you, he has the right to be wrong.
Despite last night’s Royal returns, SD has consistently fielded one of the best special teams units in the league for the last few years, and John listed the players that have helped make that happen. You may want to look into them.
Did any of you watch MNF this week? SD held their own against one of the best teams in the league (the best, according to Sagarin). Are you seriously contending that KC can play at the level? If so, I’d love to hear why.
But most importantly, does your curiosity about a devotee’s SD information really get so easily sidetracked by such minor distractions? John asked specifically to minimize trash-talk in this thread and was ignored. He came here to share knowledge. It looks like you’re just not interested. Too bad, your loss. But I guess KC has grown accustomed to those.
Even as a Bronco fan, I have a ton respect for John’s work at BFTB, even when we don’t see eye to eye. You guys are really missing out by overreacting when his opinions don’t agree with yours.
by CoastalBronco on Oct 20, 2009 6:12 PM CDT reply actions 5 recs
Despite last night’s Royal returns, SD has consistently fielded one of the best special teams units in the league for the last few years, and John listed the players that have helped make that happen. You may want to look into them.
I have no doubt. I’m also sure the Titanic voyage was a perfectly lovely trip except for that Iceburg hitting incident.
Week 7 Prediction:
Kansas City Chiefs 77 - San Diego Chargers 2
by craig in calgary on Oct 20, 2009 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
craig, lest you forget ...we're still in the middle of drydock with our own Titanic
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Oct 20, 2009 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
All I was saying
Is saying a team has one of the best ST units despite giving up 2 return TD’s is like saying I was with a really hot girl except she was fat, ugly, had no personality and no arms.
Week 7 Prediction:
Kansas City Chiefs 77 - San Diego Chargers 2
by craig in calgary on Oct 20, 2009 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hear ya - and I thought he said good UNTIL the two last night
then again, even a GOOD team can have a BAD night – Giants v Saints comes to mind, we know the Saints are good but DAMN! and the G-Men are NOT that “bad” … although they were on THAT DAY
thing is, the Chargers have shown maybe 5 OTHER games where their spec-teams were good, whereas the Titanic had ZERO other good trips
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Oct 20, 2009 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
The Titanic had many good trips into my DVD player :)
Week 7 Prediction:
Kansas City Chiefs 77 - San Diego Chargers 2
by craig in calgary on Oct 20, 2009 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're right, CinC
and the MNF performance may be indicative of a weakness in the SD special teams that they haven’t shown previously. Or, it may just be a bad night. Historically SD’s special team have been fairly strong.
by CoastalBronco on Oct 21, 2009 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Our kick coverage was actually pretty terrible last season. Before Monday, though, it’s been much improved in 2009.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Oct 21, 2009 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no surprise that it’s much better when you respond about the Chargers. I’ll shut up now.
by CoastalBronco on Oct 21, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for dropping by and teaching us courtesy and how not to overreact
Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read. - Groucho Marx
by Big Chief on Oct 20, 2009 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
not sure if you're being sarcastic...
but I’m feeling a bit hypocritical this morning. I would have done a much better job of making my point if I hadn’t taken a potshot at the Chiefs. It was pretty stupid of me to muddy my position with the comment about losses, and I sincerely apologize for doing so. FWIW, I actually like the Chiefs and I’m pulling for their improvement.
by CoastalBronco on Oct 21, 2009 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah - I was being snarky
I was getting ready to post a comment asking people to chill when I read your post. Yes, when I read the loss comment that ticked me off and led to my comment. But I appreciate your apology and your input, and that is sincere. And sorry for the sarcasm.
As I wrote on another thread, nothing gives me as much pleasure as beating a divisional foe. But if the Chiefs are out, that’s who I root for first in the playoffs. I look at them as brothers in a dysfunctional family. There’s no one you want to beat more than your brothers, but you don’t want to see other people beat them (unless it’s helping your standing for the playoffs, of course).
Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read. - Groucho Marx
by Big Chief on Oct 21, 2009 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
I'll rec that
Great analogy. You describe my feelings about the AFC West very well. I was born in Kansas City, spend my formative years in Colorado (Boulder, Fort Collins), and made my career in San Diego county. I’m kind of an AFC West brat, I guess.
Except for the Raiders. I expect I’ll always root for whoever they’re playing.
by CoastalBronco on Oct 21, 2009 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kansas City
They got some funky-smellin’ women, and I’m gonna get me one.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Oct 21, 2009 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn
Perfectly the way I see it! Rec
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 21, 2009 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yup, you're right on, Bronco ... and tp John the Chargers Guy: if anyone at AP has bashed you or made you feel unwelcome, you have MY apologies
even here at AP we have a wide disparity amongst ourselves on who the best Chiefs player is, the best direction for the team as a whole, playcalling, coaching, etc etc ad nauseum …
now, I’ve never been to BFTB (too many things going on to hit ALL the good sites) but I will say that I appreciate John coming over and sharing his thoughts
and John, do know that SOME of us appreciate you giving your time and energy to come over to AP today
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Oct 20, 2009 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I just don't see any situation where an AP member bashed John
If anything, John was taking personal shots at sexassasin.
Week 7 Prediction:
Kansas City Chiefs 77 - San Diego Chargers 2
by craig in calgary on Oct 20, 2009 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Bronco,. one last thought here ...
we here in Chiefsville do think Colquitt is THE BEST and you’re right, we DO need the guy the way our offense sputters … now, desp[ite what WE think there are a nmber of ways to look at punting, and yes John the Charger Guy is entitled yo his opinion, just as we are with COlquitt
thankful we have him, at least we’re first in something this year (aside from maybe sacks allowed)
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by upamtn on Oct 20, 2009 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
not really coastal bronco . san diego is a team on the verge of rebuilding after this season
i dont see how you dont see. that. fact is this san diego is old . and just not the same team. and as far as marty over norv. marty put this team together. he is responsible for the great drafts they have and the system basically he handed norv turner a superbowl team. and he did nothing with them sure he won a couple playoff games but they were elite compared to every team. he brang the team down
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Oct 20, 2009 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Marty vs. Norv
Sexassassin, I appreciate your position and the way you present it. I use to be a Marty defender, but recently I’ve found myself reevaluting my take. Let’s look at each coach’s records with SD.
Marty
2002 = 8-8 finished 3rd in AFC West
2003 = 4-12 finished 4th in AFC West
2004 = 12-4 finished 1st in AFC West; 0-1 in the playoffs, lost to New York Jets in AFC Wild-Card Game
2005 = 9-7 finished 3rd in AFC West
2006 = 14-2 finished 1st in AFC West; 0-1 in the playoffs, lost to New England Patriots in AFC Divisional Game
Norv
2007 = 11-5 finished 1st in AFC West; 2-1 in the playoffs, lost to New England Patriots in AFC Championship Game
2008 = 8-8 finished 1st in AFC West; 1-1 in the playoffs, lost to Pittsburgh Steelers in AFC Divisional Game
I look forward to hearing what you think about this, but in the meantime this is what I see regarding Marty:
- His second year was a disaster. He took an 8-8 team to 4-12.
- His teams only finished strong when they had a weak 3rd or 4th place schedule. They didn’t do as well when they played a more difficult 1st place schedule.
- He never won a playoff game, which is a continuation of his problems with previous teams (5-13 lifetime record in the post season)
My take on Norv:
- His teams have finished in 1st place each year, despite slow starts to the season.
- In his second year, he kept a 4-8 team believing in itself enough to make it the playoffs and beat the heavily favored Colts in Indianapolis.
- In 2008 and 2009, he has kept his team competitive despite devastating injuries early in each season.
- In only two season, he is tied for the most playoff wins of and SD coach ever (Coryell and Ross).
- If you look at his career, he was won at least one game every time his team makes the playoffs.
Additionally there are circumstances around Marty’s departure from SD that are questionable. Marty didn’t really “hand” the team off. There is a strong argument that Marty hosed SD before he left, allowing the OC and DC to leave before making unreasonable demands that forced his own release. The Chargers started 2008 with a new head coach, offensive coordinator, and defensive coordinator. Even with the talent on the team, going to the AFC Championship Game that year deserves at least a little respect.
I’m not saying either one of these guys is fabulous, but I don’t agree that Norv is worlds worse than Marty. If you ask John, he’ll tell you that he thinks Norv was hired to be more of an offensive coordinator than head coach, and I think that’s an astute take on the situation. I think a lot of the Chargers issues stem from the lack of a strong HC rather than the lack of a strong OC.
by CoastalBronco on Oct 21, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
lets get it straight marty was the creator of all this he was the guy that picked up these
guys had them winning . they were the most dangerous team in the nfl . LT was throwing touchdowns at one point nobody knew what they were going to do LT was smashing rushing records touchdown records now he dont even run goal line its crazy. norv took over a team that had play off experience. so of course he has a better chance of winning he got them when they were at their peak . so records to me dont speak much. like i said norv was handed a superbowl team and did nothing with them.
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Oct 21, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Marty was not the GM of the team, which is why you said below that AJ Smith is running this team into the ground.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Oct 21, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
i know aj is the gm . but they worked together to make a pretty good team
a super bowl team. to be honest the chargers at one point were very dangerous with marty i dont know marty just cracked the whip on you guys and had everyone working together i think with norv the mentalitly is a lot different its really like you guys dont play in together . its just weird he just doest have this team focused . with marty you guys went out with a purpose put teams away ran teams down the throat and played fantastic d . with norv it seems that attitude is we are good we will win . your mentality is just not the same and i feel your window for winning a super bowl is over thats just my opinion marty brang to the table toughness where as norv i dont know he just dont bring it.
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Oct 21, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LT hasn't been the same since he wore his parka to the playoffs
Injuries have really slowed him down. In that respect, Norv hasn’t had the same talent to work with as Marty did.
by CoastalBronco on Oct 21, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lt hasnt been the same since marty left they dont run the ball as effectivly
and his line has been somewhat decent. sproles gives them the better chance to win because he is more elusive out of the backfield he makes things happen and you cant see him hes to short . LT has lost it in my opinion i dont see the same heart . And i even will think that he himself is a bit frustrated with the way they use him in situations .
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Oct 21, 2009 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The SD OL was devastated by injuries early in 08, and they’re playing without Hardwick at center this year. Additionally, their players were losing effectiveness with age. They’re trying to rebuild the OL quickly this year, but the inexperience shows.
I agree that LT seemed to have lost something after his record-setting year, but I don’t think Sproles is the answer since he just can’t run between the tackles. At the time, I thought they should’ve kept Turner over LT but it would’ve never happened because LT’s phenomenal success was too recent. Denver pulled a fast one getting KnoMo ahead of SD in the draft this year.
I’m less a fan of AJ than many Charger fans, as I just don’t think that he’s done as good of a job in replenishing the roster as he did in originally creating it. Admittedly that’s harder to do when you’re drafting later.
by CoastalBronco on Oct 21, 2009 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I’m less a fan of AJ than many Charger fans, as I just don’t think that he’s done as good of a job in replenishing the roster as he did in originally creating it. Admittedly that’s harder to do when you’re drafting later.
Rec’d for that.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Oct 21, 2009 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice Take Rec CB
Marty kinda had a strange exit in KC too.
Maybe Cleveland was similar.
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 21, 2009 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No Broncos allowed till we face you thank you
Now for SD they got along road ahead along with us. Sure they play better at the end of the season but still. Rivers isent the best thing in the world put it that way. brees all day just ask my fantasy league. LT is done very done. And as for steroid boy duh he had 21 sacks in 20 games cause that crap was still in his system what you think he can just pee out steroids hell no big time if he was still pumpen that iron
by Kcchiefsownuson on Oct 20, 2009 6:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
and Cassel isn't the best thing in the world, LJ is pretty much done and on and on ...
cuts both ways, and as of now the Chargers are a game up on our Chiefs
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by upamtn on Oct 20, 2009 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
your right...
but a game up on us isnt very good lol….
by Wrestler189s on Oct 20, 2009 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
true dat! but we'll be lucky to outscore the Chargers in any fashion ...
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by upamtn on Oct 20, 2009 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok i have some questions for you John, and I won't start arguments. Nobody else should either.
1. San Diego played some tough running D against the Broncos. I’m pretty sure the game plan was to stop the run of the Broncos who lead the NFL in rushing. With that being said, do you think the Chargers will over look our rushing game?
2. Cromartie has been a vocal guy this season, including trash talking about Dwayne Bowe. Im fine with a trash talker who can actually back it up. (For example, Phillip Rivers talks alot but he can back it up. As bad as i hate to say it he is a good QB.) But, Cromartie has one big year and then is injured the next and he still talks. Do you think he will be able to back it up against Dwayne Bowe and live up to his hype?
3. Last year you beat us by a combined total of 2 points. Pretty impressive huh? Lol jk. But, We have alot more talent this year than we did last. The only major loss is Tony G. Do you think it will be a knuckle fest like it was the last 2 games? Or do you predict a blow out.
by Wrestler189s on Oct 20, 2009 7:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
1. San Diego played some tough running D against the Broncos. I’m pretty sure the game plan was to stop the run of the Broncos who lead the NFL in rushing. With that being said, do you think the Chargers will over look our rushing game?
No offense, but what rushing game? I’m sure the Chargers won’t overlook anything, it’s not as if there’s a bevy of WRs for them to get distracted by. If anything, I’d be worried that the Chargers would be working on the strengths of their offense more than the weaknesses of the Chiefs’ D.
2. Cromartie has been a vocal guy this season, including trash talking about Dwayne Bowe. Im fine with a trash talker who can actually back it up. (For example, Phillip Rivers talks alot but he can back it up. As bad as i hate to say it he is a good QB.) But, Cromartie has one big year and then is injured the next and he still talks. Do you think he will be able to back it up against Dwayne Bowe and live up to his hype?
I really don’t see Cromartie playing Bowe a whole lot in this game. He played him when Bradley was on fire last season, but this season I expect Jammer to try his hand at shutting Bowe down. To answer your question more broadly, I don’t think Cro has a right to trash-talk anymore (he hasn’t since that chat, btw) and this season has shown that he may not be the CB everyone thought he was in 2007.
3. Last year you beat us by a combined total of 2 points. Pretty impressive huh? Lol jk. But, We have alot more talent this year than we did last. The only major loss is Tony G. Do you think it will be a knuckle fest like it was the last 2 games? Or do you predict a blow out.
I know a lot of other Chargers fans are expecting close games again. The Chargers like to play down to their opponents, so it’s certainly possible. However, I don’t see it happening. Those games were close mostly because the KC offense with Thigpen was perfectly constructed to do damage to the Chargers D (and really, Clinton Hart). Now that KC is running a more prototypical offense, I expect an easier game for the Chargers.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Oct 21, 2009 4:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey guys
sd is better but if kc can keep it close who knows
okay i have cereal palsy arhrtis and chronic fatiue as well i have a grea life loveing folks some days are better that other days i got a make a wish in 2001 saw my favorive team the broncos was the trip of the lifetime i wish everyone couild gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that ok but i bleed organ and bule
by j-man on Oct 20, 2009 7:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
J Man
Congrats on the 6-0. That’s gotta be a great feeling! So you’re saying to keep it close and not run up the score on them? We’re going to be like the Broncos, get the first win, and then another, beat the bye week, and then another, and then who knows?
"The road to Easy Street goes through the sewer."
--John Madden
by cpa913 on Oct 20, 2009 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks
okay i have cereal palsy arhrtis and chronic fatiue as well i have a grea life loveing folks some days are better that other days i got a make a wish in 2001 saw my favorive team the broncos was the trip of the lifetime i wish everyone couild gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that ok but i bleed organ and bule
by j-man on Oct 20, 2009 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey john
if there guys give u a hard time call me
okay i have cereal palsy arhrtis and chronic fatiue as well i have a grea life loveing folks some days are better that other days i got a make a wish in 2001 saw my favorive team the broncos was the trip of the lifetime i wish everyone couild gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that ok but i bleed organ and bule
by j-man on Oct 20, 2009 7:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
thanks j-man. will do.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Oct 21, 2009 4:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
here we go j man look sd is not very much better than us they won one more game
then us
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Oct 20, 2009 7:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Chargers are AWESOME! they HAVE to be cuz they've won TWICE as many as Chiefs have
and we all KNOW that our Chiefs are … ummmmmmmmm …
… our Chiefs are OUR TEAM, Damnit!
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by upamtn on Oct 20, 2009 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
This is the 3rd 2 win team in a row for us.
Results – very winnable OT loss, 1st win, and this one will make the 2nd Win!
It’s great that we are now playing teams at the same talent level as us, Dallas, Washington, San Diego, Oakland, Jacksonville.
"The road to Easy Street goes through the sewer."
--John Madden
by cpa913 on Oct 20, 2009 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cleveland, Buffalo
just chipping in :)
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 20, 2009 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we could beat those teams!
I think …
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by upamtn on Oct 20, 2009 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
John the Obviousman's opinion of the Chiefs
The Chiefs are one of the worst teams in the league. While I buy into the mystique of Arrowhead when the Chiefs are a good football team, I think it means nothing in their current state. This is a game where the Bolts’ weakness (stopping the run) meets the Chiefs weakness (running the ball), so it should be a relatively easy victory.
"The road to Easy Street goes through the sewer."
--John Madden
by cpa913 on Oct 20, 2009 11:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Apparently he doesn't realize that
one lucky play, one penalty called or not called, one non-dropped ball, etc. against Oakland and Dallas and KC would have a better record than San Diego. The margins of error are that small in the NFL.
With all his denigration being said by John, here and on his site, and knowing who he is, let’s take him up on his offer and learn some things about his team. If he’s still courageous enough to share. I want to know what he thinks the problems are on SD’s Defense and Special Teams. Two Special Teams touchdowns in one game, and not against Dante Hall or Devon Hestor, are you kidding me?
Is the run D the problem or pass?
And I will tell John that SD’s Offense looked really good on MNF. Sproles is great, maybe better than LT at this point. He obviously won’t discuss why Brees is so much better than Rivers, but let’s see what he does have to offer, if anything. Does he really think his team is better than the Dallas Cowboys? They sure as hell did not have an “easy victory”!
"The road to Easy Street goes through the sewer."
--John Madden
by cpa913 on Oct 20, 2009 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I want to know what he thinks the problems are on SD’s Defense and Special Teams. Two Special Teams touchdowns in one game, and not against Dante Hall or Devon Hestor, are you kidding me?
Defense – The defensive line is a mess. 2 of the 3 projected preseason starters are out for the season. The backup DT just played his first game of the season against the Broncos. This was supposed to be a solid veteran line with some kids waiting in the wings, but instead it’s turned into a very young line patched with free agents off the street. The problems with the d-line has equaled poor run defense and almost no pass-rush at all.
Special Teams – Poor tackling. The Charger have been a poor tackling team all season, on defense and special teams, and it caught up with them against the Broncos. Also, when your only goal on the team is to beat a blocker and tackle the ball carrier, the last guy you want on the field is Cromartie (who was pulled after the second KR TD).
Is the run D the problem or pass?
The run D and the lack of a pass rush. The secondary has been very solid.
And I will tell John that SD’s Offense looked really good on MNF. Sproles is great, maybe better than LT at this point. He obviously won’t discuss why Brees is so much better than Rivers, but let’s see what he does have to offer, if anything. Does he really think his team is better than the Dallas Cowboys?
I think the Chargers are relatively equal to the Cowboys. They have played on a similar level this season and have the ability to play on a higher level. The Chargers team that played tough against Denver would beat the Cowboys right now. I hope that’s the team that shows up in KC.
Sproles is not great and not better than LT. He’s a KR/PR and 3rd down RB. That’s all. He’s Leon Washington. He’s Dante Hall.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Oct 21, 2009 4:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
John. Here is my question...
How is it that our pathetic team almost beat you guys TWICE last year. I mean, your team was better then and ours was worse. With that said, how is it that you expect a cakewalk in Arrowhead?
I think there is blood in the water and the Chiefs are smelling it.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Oct 22, 2009 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Prediction time
LJ breaks Priest Holmes rushing record in this game.
"The road to Easy Street goes through the sewer."
--John Madden
by cpa913 on Oct 20, 2009 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
based on……
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Oct 21, 2009 4:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you said it best
Is the run D the problem or pass?
The run D and the lack of a pass rush. The secondary has been very solid.
LJ only needs 124 yards
"The road to Easy Street goes through the sewer."
--John Madden
by cpa913 on Oct 21, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For LJ, 124 yards is a monster game. With a little over 300 yards on the season that’s nearly 50% of his 6 game total. His last 100+ game was Miami last year and 1/3 of those yards came on one carry. That is LJ’s only 100 yard game since his return last year, I just don’t see it happening regardless of how bad SD’s run D is.
by JComp11 on Oct 21, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow...
classy that he says that. I wonder if he thought the same thing right before Oakland beat the Eagles. Just because he says it “should” be a easy victory doesnt mean its gonna happen.
by Wrestler189s on Oct 21, 2009 12:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What’s really “classy” is that some keep saying “he has opinion and he may be wrong,” but he’s getting personal with sexassassin aboout HIS opinion. If John were a regular AP member UC would’ve smashed him with the ban hammer for some of that BS.
Thanks for your time, John, but when you don’t like other people’s opinion of your team you don’t need to get personal. No one has said anything negative about you even though there are disagreements.
by JComp11 on Oct 21, 2009 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I feel bad for you if your life is trash-talking about the inner-workings of a team that you know very little about.
That comment was over the line and I apologize for it. Everything else was warranted. My harsh words came out of frustration. sexassassin would make an invalid argument, I’d prove it wrong, and then he would respond as if he didn’t read my comment.
At that time, he was arguing that the Chargers’ have gotten worse because Marty was bringing in all the talent. When I tried to argue that Marty was the Head Coach and not the GM or even a scout, he argued that Marty had pull with the GM because their offices were close. That’s based off nothing! If anything, it would’ve been easier to argue that AJ was working harder back then to prove that he knew more about football than Marty (an adversary). Which would still be based off of nothing. Show the crappy drafts we’ve had recently, or that players that we’ve left as starters for too long. Don’t back up your argument with “come on….”
I just got tired of sexassassin (and I won’t be responding to his comments anymore) because everything he was posted was his own opinions about the Chargers sucking. He didn’t have a legitimate question, he had no desire to learn anything about the team. He came to talk trash and he couldn’t even admit that.
I was trying to provide an opportunity to answer questions about your upcoming opponent, and sexassassin took it as an opportunity to bash the team and attack me for being a fan. That’s why I snapped. Again, I’m sorry it got that far and part of the reason I decided to stop responding to sexassassin was to ensure that it wouldn’t happen again.
I have, and will continue to, only state my opinion of the Chiefs when asked for it.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Oct 21, 2009 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
I appreciate it. Most are capable of having a good back and forth on here, and you have proven up to the challenge of answering our question. Sex is kind of a character around here and some people just don’t get along with him. Again, thanks for taking the time to come over.
by JComp11 on Oct 21, 2009 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i know to much about the chargers i live in california and yes i will be at the game
when the chiefs come to san diego and i will be at the stadium bashing the chargers when i get their along with many other arrowhead pride fans as well. and san diego is just another hooooooooome offfff theeeee chiiiiiieeeeeefs . trust me homie . once you guys rebuild after this year. all these so call fans you have will fade away .
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Oct 21, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
my 2 cents
some of u will like this some of u will not in my opitnion this game will test the S D mental toughness lose this game and their season is over win this game any they can sill win 9- 10 -11 games rivers is eitite u have have to pressre him or he will pick u apart they stoped our run sd shouild win but if kc can get 7-10 easy points early who knows
okay i have cereal palsy arhrtis and chronic fatiue as well i have a grea life loveing folks some days are better that other days i got a make a wish in 2001 saw my favorive team the broncos was the trip of the lifetime i wish everyone couild gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that ok but i bleed organ and bule
by j-man on Oct 22, 2009 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually keep trying to go back and read all the comments and cant find any bad ones really
i dont know why sexassin and him are getting into it.
by Wrestler189s on Oct 21, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i dont know either like i said . I dont mind someone coming on here like j man
and this guy my only issue is dont come on here with opinions and then dont expect any of us to express our opinions.
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Oct 21, 2009 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
John - what's the story on English?
I remember that a lot of the draft commentators were really high on him and what he and Merriman returning were going to mean for the San Diego pass rush and defense overall. The assumption was that English and Merriman would be on the field together a lot and cause serious problems for pass protection. Now I see he’s listed behind Merriman on the depth chart. How’s he looking (I see he has two sacks) and how much playing time is he getting? I also see he didn’t play in the first two games – was that an injury issue?
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by Big Chief on Oct 21, 2009 10:41 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
1. English has played in all five games this season. I think in those first two he just didn’t have any tackles. You’ll see a lot of him on Sunday.
2. The assumption was that English, Merriman and Phillips would all be rotated in and out. That’s happened, it just hasn’t been as effective as we had hoped for.
3. Merriman’s injury is both hurting and helping English. Hurting him because it’s not taking any pressure off of him, helping him because he’s getting a ton of time on the field.
4. English missed most of training camp and the preseason with hamstring problems, so he’s still catching up. Those 2 sacks are in the last 2 games, and really his last 3 games have been good. I’m a little perturbed by his size (he looks really small). Like Merriman and Phillips, English won’t be very effective until the defensive line can occupy more blockers. If that happens though, the kid could be dangerous. He’s speedy and strong.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Oct 21, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the response - how's the rest of your rookie class looking?
How about your FA additions?
What players left that you miss most (besides Goff – lol).
Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read. - Groucho Marx
by Big Chief on Oct 21, 2009 12:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Rookies (besides English)
Vasquez – When he’s healthy, he looks phenomenal. He fits right in at the starting RG and is one of the Chargers best linemen this year. A great rock to build around.
Ellison – Got his first real playing time against the Broncos and looked really good. Certainly looked good enough for the team to cut Clinton Hart. He’s big and slow compared to most Strong Safeties in the league today (he’s more like Rodney Harrison), but it seems to work for him. Could be a future star.
Martin – A future beast at Nose Tackle, but he’s just not ready to be playing right now and it showed when he had to fill in due to injuries.
Everyone else is either hurt (Hughes, Byrd), cut (Gartrell Johnson) or not seeing the field at all (Tyronne Green).
Free Agents
Kevin Burnett – Technically, the only free agent the Chargers signed. He was initially billed as a pass-cover LB that would play primarily on 3rd down. Then he had a fantastic preseason and won the job full-time. He seems to have a little problem with staying healthy, but when he’s out there he’s playing like he’s the team’s best LB.
Players Missed
Igor Olshansky – Not that he was anything great, and Dallas regrets giving him a truckload of money, but he stayed healthy and was relatively consistent on the defensive line. That’s something the Chargers need now.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Oct 21, 2009 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How has Boone stepped in for you guys?
by tomahawk44 on Oct 21, 2009 2:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He's been good, not great
Which is really what we needed. In his first game he made a big play, knocking down a TD pass, and ever since he’s held his own.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Oct 21, 2009 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
good to hear
Ive always kind of liked good ole boone
by tomahawk44 on Oct 21, 2009 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I always thought we should of fed him a few more ham sandwiches and tried him at NT.
It's a good thing Pioli and Haley aren't running AP or a lot of you guys would of been traded or cut for cast offs from the Pats Pulpit.
by KCporkchop on Oct 21, 2009 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
About the Merriman picture posted yesterday
The comparison shot showing him big and then small….here’s an explanation from ProFootballTalk.com that I didn’t even know about until now:
We think we’ve finally figured out the mystery of the Merriman photo.
It was doctored. But not by us. Or by anyone looking to discredit Merriman. Instead, it was doctored by the Chargers, or by the league.
Merriman, as you might recall, stayed away from the Chargers’ offseason workouts and minicamps in 2005, supposedly because he didn’t like the terms of the team’s injury guarantee.
But a headshot was needed, and it appears that Merriman’s head and neck were grafted onto the body of the headshot generated by defensive tackle Jamal Williams
Click the link and scroll down the page to see the proof.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Oct 21, 2009 6:57 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
It looks a little doctored
the shoulder muscles look inhuman.
Desperately hoping for Desperate Measures
by averagegatsby on Oct 21, 2009 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But it's not the same O-Line in New England.
The Chiefs are starting Ryan O’Callaghan at RT – a RT who couldn’t make it in New England, this year. They’re better this year than last up front.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 21, 2009 11:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It's essentially the same line
Except they had a few minor injuries last year.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Oct 22, 2009 5:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Disagree. The right side of their line was abysmal.
And Cassel’s on yet another team with an abysmal right side and a left side and middle that aren’t playing great, either. Brady’s getting more time this year than he had against the lowly Chiefs last season and more time than Cassel had behind that same line all season.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 22, 2009 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They drafted O Lineman this year too
that Vollmer kid they took in the 3rd round looks really good to me, and he started last week.
Desperately hoping for Desperate Measures
by averagegatsby on Oct 22, 2009 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Patriots lines
2008:
LT Matt Light
LG Logan Mankins
C Dan Koppen
RG Stephen Neal (9 games)
RG Billy Yards (7 games)
RT Nick Kaczur
2009:
LT Light
LG Mankins
C Koppen
RG Neal
RT Kaczur
Looks like it’s essentially the same like, except that they had a few minor injuries last year.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Oct 22, 2009 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nice to see you like
some Underground Hip-Hop John! Been to any of Aseop’s shows?
The difference between a good and bad day, isn't what changes in your day...It's what changes in you.
by rdubz on Oct 22, 2009 12:21 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yup
Saw him in a tiny club in San Diego about 4-5 years ago. Went outside for a cigarette and wound up standing next to him while he smoked a joint. Funny dude.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Oct 22, 2009 5:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some more questions....
Do you think Richard Seymour is crazy saying that the Raiders are going to make the playoffs?
If you could have one player from the Chiefs who would it be and why?
Is Gates going to have a good day against us?
Sorry, if you already got these questions. Didn’t read through all of this post. Thanks!
The Chiefs were actually good the last time Kenny Smith has played in a game. Gives you an idea of how long ago that was. lol
by Chiefsfan85 on Oct 22, 2009 6:54 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Nope, all new questions. Let get to ’em….
Do you think Richard Seymour is crazy saying that the Raiders are going to make the playoffs?
Yes. They’re not going to be going up against offensive lines as beat up as San Diego’s or Philly’s every week. If they could upgrade at QB (almost any backup QB would be better than Russell), they’d have a shot at it. Otherwise, no. I think they’ll win between 5-8 games this season, show improvement and look to upgrade the QB position next season. I think Seymour was trying to buy some team spirit with the fans and the other guys in the locker room after refusing to report for so long.
If you could have one player from the Chiefs who would it be and why?
Good question. Glenn Dorsey would be a short team boost, because the Chargers need help on the defensive line. If I’m thinking long term, I’m taking Dwayne Bowe. He’s the best player on the team and I’d love to see the smile on Rivers face after replacing Chambers with Bowe in the Chargers offense.
Is Gates going to have a good day against us?
Of course! Gates is quietly having a great season, after playing all of 2008 with a toe injury. His 2009 yards per game (83.8) is the highest of his career by far (73.4 in 2005 is 2nd best), and his 2009 receptions per game (5.8) trails only behind his production in 2005 (5.9). His yards per reception this season (14.4) is second only to his rookie season, when he averaged 16.2 YPR. 2005 was without a doubt Gates’ finest year (and the only season he’s been over 1,000 yards) and he’s out-doing that season this year.
Nobody has been able to shut Gates down this season. He had a huge game against Pittsburgh and has had good games against the rest of the Chargers opponents. Unless the Chiefs have been particularly good at shutting down opposing TEs (I think somebody said earlier that it’s a weakness), it’s going to be a long day.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Oct 22, 2009 7:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah...
We haven’t had an answer for a TE yet really. Let’s hope that our LB’s learn to cover the middle of the field. I’d want Jackson on our team. We need another great WR for Cassel to throw to. In time I think our O-line will heal itself and learn to block.
The Chiefs were actually good the last time Kenny Smith has played in a game. Gives you an idea of how long ago that was. lol
by Chiefsfan85 on Oct 22, 2009 8:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
VJ & Bowe together would be unstoppable. Not to mention if you throw in Gates. There’d be no need for a running game.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Oct 22, 2009 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I imagine it would be much much easier to run
with that trio of receiving threats.
Desperately hoping for Desperate Measures
by averagegatsby on Oct 22, 2009 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think
sd wins 27 -14
okay i have cereal palsy arhrtis and chronic fatiue as well i have a grea life loveing folks some days are better that other days i got a make a wish in 2001 saw my favorive team the broncos was the trip of the lifetime i wish everyone couild gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that ok but i bleed organ and bule
by j-man on Oct 22, 2009 4:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
man i love how everyone counts us out never to win.
i love it . we are beating san diego.
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Oct 22, 2009 5:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree...!
The Chiefs were actually good the last time Kenny Smith has played in a game. Gives you an idea of how long ago that was. lol
by Chiefsfan85 on Oct 22, 2009 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The eternal underdog
with good reason…
I like it!
by butchcassidy on Oct 22, 2009 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those bastards who counted us out THIS season...
… have been RIGHT 5 out of the last 6!!!
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 23, 2009 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Over confidence is there weakness
On boltsfromtheblue website, John boldly states that he believes these two KC games are going to be easy wins! Why are the Chargers fans so confident? They have little to show for their team of talent over the last 7 years aside from some AFC west titles and 2 deep playoff runs. Last year was atrocius and we let them slide back in by handing the game we could have easliy won. The bottomline is that San Diego is inconsistent! The Chiefs are up and coming, I think this win last week is going to add the confidence we need, coupled with playing some weaker opponents, yes you San Diego! Mark my words, our defense with have one of its best days on Sunday. Chiefs 27 Chargers 21!
by casselreadychiefs on Oct 23, 2009 10:46 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
They have little to show for their team of talent over the last 7 years aside from some AFC west titles and 2 deep playoff runs.
I have a hard time figuring how not winning any Super Bowls with our “team of talent” makes it so we cannot beat the NFL’s bottom-dwellers. Those playoff losses came against playoff teams. Actually, since Norv came on the only two playoff losses have been against a team that went undefeated until the Super Bowl and the eventual 2008 super bowl champions. Are the Chiefs as good as those teams?
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Oct 23, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey now...
you asked us to play nice and you’re calling us bottom-dwellers? Doesn’t the entire NFL look at the entire AFC West as bottom-dwellers? That includes your team too! just sayin
by HeatherChiefsLvr on Oct 23, 2009 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That doesn’t include the Chargers. The Chiefs haven’t made the playoffs, or won more than 25% of their games, since 2006. That’s what makes them a bottom-dweller. It’s not my opinion, it’s the way the standings have shaken out for the past few seasons.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Oct 23, 2009 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My point was you didn't want us talking shit to you, yet you're doing it to us....
On OUR blog no less…..
Will you still be calling us bottom dwellers if/when you get your ass handed to you on Sunday?
just sayin….
I wish all rival fans could be as cool and classy as J-man from the Broncos blog
by HeatherChiefsLvr on Oct 23, 2009 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Bottom-dweller is not meant to be an insult. It’s simply stating that the Chiefs have been a regular at the bottom of the AFC West standings for a few years now. Sorry if you took it otherwise.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Oct 23, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
C'mon - you can't be that naive
how can calling a team a “bottom-dweller” not be taken as an insult? Yes, the Chiefs have been struggling and are among the worst teams in the league right now. But calling a team a “bottom-dweller” is to cast aspersions by comparing it to bottom-dwelling water creatures and the negatives associated with that. If you’re going to post on an opposition web site and really don’t want to have trash talking then you ought to know better than to use terms like that.
Nevertheless I appreciate you taking the time to answer our questions.
Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read. - Groucho Marx
by Big Chief on Oct 23, 2009 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
What term should I have used? I don’t know of any nice way to say that the Chiefs haven’t been very good for a few years now.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Oct 24, 2009 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about
struggling teams; rebuilding teams; teams having rough/bad/difficult years; weaker teams; sub-.500 teams; non-playoff teams.
Terms to avoid: Bottom-dwellers; doormats; pond scum.
Hopefully you can use this guide to help be a little more tactful, especially when so far your team is only 1 win better than the bottom-dwelling team you’re talking about, and has the same record as Oakland, another team you’ve clearly cast as a bottom-dweller.
Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read. - Groucho Marx
by Big Chief on Oct 24, 2009 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My “bottom-dweller” comment had more to do with recent history than the 2009 season.
I feel that “weaker teams” would’ve gotten the same response.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Oct 24, 2009 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And actually the way you just said it
is a perfectly acceptable way to say it. Bottom-dweller is a loaded word for many people. It has connotations beyond just being a bad team.
Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read. - Groucho Marx
by Big Chief on Oct 24, 2009 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If people think that I’m criticizing the entire organization from top to bottom with the phrase “bottom-dweller”, they’re partially correct. Up until 2009, the Chiefs GM and Head Coach were essentially running the team into the ground with their buffoonery.
How about I re-write the comment….
I have a hard time figuring how not winning any Super Bowls with our "team of talent" makes it so we cannot beat a team that is in the early stages of rebuilding. Those playoff losses came against playoff teams. Actually, since Norv came on the only two playoff losses have been against a team that went undefeated until the Super Bowl and the eventual 2008 super bowl champions. Are the Chiefs as good as those teams?
Also, nobody answered my question.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Oct 24, 2009 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Records and whether or not a team is a struggling
typically means little against divisional rivals. Even when teams win it’s typically by less than would be expected. There’s a knowledge of the other team, along with the well known fact that to make the playoffs you usually need to beat your divisional rivals.
I am concerned that because the Chiefs have a new HC that we may not have the familiarity needed to put up a good fight. On the other hand I like what I’ve seen of Haley and think it’s possible he’ll be ready.
Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read. - Groucho Marx
by Big Chief on Oct 24, 2009 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
here how
they have had bad luck over the last 2 and a haif years bad coaching with herm bad gm with peteterson staying about 3 years too long l hunt death was very very sad a classy man who every nfl fan owes a debt of graduttrde for makeing it the sport we know and love now john a year or two ago i wouild right with u but meeting there peopie every sbn site has great peopie and fans but threse peopie know their football and now i see why the chiefs fan base gtes so much love form the media it well devened i am bulnt too john like u the reason i am so nice is i been teams like the chiefs on madden and one of my fav teach said teart orthers like u want to be terated and to A P john is graoics enrough to take time out of his life for u he is going a rough time as far as his team goes he is like a bro to me
okay i have cereal palsy arhrtis and chronic fatiue as well i have a grea life loveing folks some days are better that other days i got a make a wish in 2001 saw my favorive team the broncos was the trip of the lifetime i wish everyone couild gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that ok but i bleed organ and bule
by j-man on Oct 24, 2009 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Word.
Week 7 Prediction:
Kansas City Chiefs 77 - San Diego Chargers 2
by craig in calgary on Oct 23, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now-now. We WANT others to come here and speak truth.
“Bottom-dweller” hurts, but it’s also TRUTH, until the Chiefs start swimmin’ to the top. Right now, they’re down with the carp, suckers, ‘n’ catfish, hence the painful term.
If we don’t want truth from the guy, what’s the point to havin’ ’im here? I think “bottom dweller” is eminently defensible, because the Chiefs are dwelling at the bottom of the standings and almost every statistical category you could name.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 23, 2009 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It really wasn’t meant to be an insult. I would say the same thing about other teams that have struggled to have winning seasons recently. It’s just an adjective to describe their usual spot in the standings.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Oct 24, 2009 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks
heather means a lot to me as all u fans do here on this blog hey john i love u as a writer and u have great football knowlidgeg i know u want u team to win and u are distopped in u guys u are right in theory but its their blog their rules i get along so well with there guys because i dont go the chiefs and say they blow yes u have every right to think that but dont say it here say it at home u was on mhr report taiking about mcd utill u agozied oh and rem 2000 and 2003
okay i have cereal palsy arhrtis and chronic fatiue as well i have a grea life loveing folks some days are better that other days i got a make a wish in 2001 saw my favorive team the broncos was the trip of the lifetime i wish everyone couild gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that ok but i bleed organ and bule
by j-man on Oct 24, 2009 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is what im talking about everyone is looking at me like im crazy for calling this guy out
chargers are bums they are losing and even if they win they are falling apart by the seconds . Trust me I seen this a mile away. let me tell you a story. I made a bet with a friend and said that eli manning would win a superbowl before phillip rivers does. all my coworkers laughed me out of the building they actually escorted me out of the building for saying that low and behold eli wins the superbowl . a couple years later my friend called me back after eli won the superbowl and sayed you were right i was wrong. No one in america could have called that one. fact is the guy still hasnt payed up he still owes me a 100 bucks.
Let me make another prediction the kansas city chiefs will win a super bowl before the chargers do.
write that on your calenders . It might not be in a couple years it might be in 20 years but the kansas city chiefs will win a super bowl before the chargers do.
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Oct 23, 2009 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ok that was a bold statement.....
but I’ll drink to that…..at the game next month in the parking lot while we’re tailgating in their house wearing our Chiefs pride…. :)
by HeatherChiefsLvr on Oct 23, 2009 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Am I wrong?
have the Chiefs not been at the bottom of the standings for a few years now?
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Oct 23, 2009 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no one disagrees with that John...
the thing is…it’s like calling your wife a bitch or saying your kids are selfish lil jerks….it’s ok for YOU to say it, but no one else better say that shit or it’s on. Same thing here….it’s ok for US to say bad things about OUR team, but we certainly don’t want to hear it from an outsider….ESPECIALLY a Chargers fan.
That’s the bottom line.
by HeatherChiefsLvr on Oct 23, 2009 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
u are right heather
but i wouilid never called my wife a bitch if i get one women go through too much in life
okay i have cereal palsy arhrtis and chronic fatiue as well i have a grea life loveing folks some days are better that other days i got a make a wish in 2001 saw my favorive team the broncos was the trip of the lifetime i wish everyone couild gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that ok but i bleed organ and bule
by j-man on Oct 25, 2009 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol Jman.....easy to say now...
but when you’re married long enough, the thoughts do pop in your head from time to time. Even if one just thinks their wife is ACTING like a bitch, and not really is one. Everyone bickers, just sayin….
And what have we talked about before?? Confidence….confidence :)
by HeatherChiefsLvr on Oct 26, 2009 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah u are right
i think with my heart too much
okay i have cereal palsy arhrtis and chronic fatiue as well i have a grea life loveing folks some days are better that other days i got a make a wish in 2001 saw my favorive team the broncos was the trip of the lifetime i wish everyone couild gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that ok but i bleed organ and bule
by j-man on Oct 26, 2009 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good lord dude, like the Chargers have never been bad in all these years?
San Diego:
1997 4-12
1998 5-11
1999 8-8
2000 1-15
2001 5-11
2002 8-8
2003 4-12
2004 12-4
2005 9-7
The Chiefs are bad for 2 years and are bottom feeders? Get a grip. Guess what the Chiefs were in the playoffs in 2006 to.
Just for giggles lets compare the Chiefs during that period:
1997 13-3
1998 7-9
1999 9-7
2000 7-9
2001 6-10
2002 8-8
2003 13-3
2004 7-9
2005 10-6
Chargers All Time: 364-370-11
Chiefs All Time: 381-347-12
If anybody between these two teams is the bottom feeder it’s the Chargers.
Yeah, let's just keep matriculatin' the ball down the field, boys! ...
by oldchiefsfan on Oct 23, 2009 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
What She Said:)
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 23, 2009 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha, lets see his comment on that one.
The Chiefs were actually good the last time Kenny Smith has played in a game. Gives you an idea of how long ago that was. lol
by Chiefsfan85 on Oct 23, 2009 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jesus Christ....
You cannot deny that the Chiefs have been one of the 5 worst teams in the league for the past few seasons. That’s all I was saying. I wasn’t comparing franchise histories and I wasn’t going back to look at the last decade of records.
Ask anybody, any unbiased football fan, and they’re going to tell you that the Chiefs are one of the worst teams in the league currently and have been for a few years now. That’s all I meant when I said they were bottom-dwellers. They have been dwelling at the bottom of the standings since 2006.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Oct 24, 2009 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nope not denying that the Chiefs have been bad the last 2 years at all.
Not looking very good this year either. You are bias toward the Chargers and we are bias toward the Chiefs. You were kind enough to come on here and relay your answers to some good questions and opinions. I also believe you came here with the pre conception that you were “hated” here and took some of our opinions personally and became very defensive in your replies. We as a collective of fans here at AP don’t like the Chargers. Why, because they are our rivals, our conference enemy in the game of football. It’s not you that is “hated” it is the team that is the Chargers. This is where rivalries come from.
The post I made of the records was done to point something out to you that you may have forgotten about. That the Chargers haven’t been the best themselves for many years and only until recently have shown any gleam of being a good team in the past decade. You of all people should have known better than to come in to any teams blog and state to them as being bottom dwellers or anything else like that having been a fan of one such team yourself.
You can either take this with a grain of salt or not. I personally am disappointed in you for having thought that you were self important enough to believe that a whole community of people such as AP or the fans of Kansas City “hate” you for you opinions or thoughts. We don’t.
Yeah, let's just keep matriculatin' the ball down the field, boys! ...
by oldchiefsfan on Oct 24, 2009 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
first off i dont even consider the chargers an nfl team. they are like the clippers to me
no one cares about them they are just thier frankly the franchise is pretty crap if you ask me . i really dont even know how we lose games to you guys. you guys have been bottom feeders for so long and a little sucess and everyone jumps on the band wagon if the chiefs have been anything the past decades its been consistancy . right now we are going threw the process of rebuilding just like the chargers will this season . soo im not worried. we will be at the top again im sure of it.
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Oct 25, 2009 3:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Chargers had one of the worst teams in history in 2000
At the time people said they were worse then the 0-14 bucs.
by darwithabar on Oct 26, 2009 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bold! Rec SA
We are on the ascent and SD is in a decline.
Let’s get this done
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 23, 2009 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, it appears that the Chargers are struggling.
Serious issues on both offense and defense. The one area they’re clearly better than the Chiefs, though, is skill players on offense, and they have some skill players on D that are better than ours, too, for that matter.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 23, 2009 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OUCH!!!
Bottom-dwellers, huh? Well, the truth hurts.
And the truth is, Rivers is gettin’ the hell knocked outta HIM. We’ll see if KC can bring some heat. This is a really good week for KC to run a lotta nickel. It’s pretty stout against the run, and they need to get more speed on the field for that D to have any chance of hangin’ with SD’s receiving threats.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 23, 2009 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
To Clarify
Our nickle is two guys with hands in the dirt.
Which would be Edwards/Jackson or something along those lines.
Our new nickle CB and Flowers/Carr, DJ and Mayes
Brown and McGraw.
Hali and Vrabel
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 23, 2009 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's one configuration.
They can also run nickel with 3 stouts in the middle.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 24, 2009 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's a "feeling" question -
First John, thanks for answering our questions. It takes a lot of time and effort and it is appreciated by many.
My question is sitting under 0.500 and looking up at 6-0 Bronco’s, how critical (i.e. desperate) are the Chargers for a win this week and next week vs Oakland? I think everybody around here understands the Chiefs are not going to the playoffs this year, but looking at your remaining schedule, it seems the next 2 weeks are critical for you guys to have a mathematical chance at post-season play.
In other words, is there a sense that you have reached “Must Win” status this week?
by RrustyDawg on Oct 23, 2009 11:05 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes
the Chargers have to go at least 4-2 against the AFC West to have a shot at the playoffs. Considering how good Denver is playing, there’s a good chance they’ll sweep the Chargers. That means both games against the Chiefs are must win games. A loss and the whole season comes crumbling down.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Oct 23, 2009 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't worry John, it's a cakewalk right? Your Chargers are so great it will be easy.
The Chiefs will just lay down and your team will have it sooooo easy
It’s no secret that I think these two Kansas City Chiefs games this season will be easy wins for the San Diego Chargers.
Yeah, let's just keep matriculatin' the ball down the field, boys! ...
by oldchiefsfan on Oct 23, 2009 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That angered me too.
I’m pretty fired up for Monday morning now to get my very own BFTB membership
Week 7 Prediction:
Kansas City Chiefs 77 - San Diego Chargers 2
by craig in calgary on Oct 23, 2009 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can't wait
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Oct 23, 2009 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for your honesty, and thanks for playing.
We have some wonderful parting gifts for you…
;o)
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 23, 2009 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks john
but i dont count my wins before they hateh for all i know the chiefs might beat denver twice for all i know
okay i have cereal palsy arhrtis and chronic fatiue as well i have a grea life loveing folks some days are better that other days i got a make a wish in 2001 saw my favorive team the broncos was the trip of the lifetime i wish everyone couild gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that ok but i bleed organ and bule
by j-man on Oct 24, 2009 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too funny.....
I just asked my co-worker (a Chargers fan) if he wanted to do our usual lunch bet on the game Sunday. He said no….he’s not confident enough this time. hahaha
We usually always bet lunch on the SD/KC games….I’ve won some, I’ve lost some…lol
by HeatherChiefsLvr on Oct 23, 2009 4:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
A lot of Chargers fans are in that boat. I would be too if they team didn’t look really good against Denver.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Oct 24, 2009 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hahah yaaa i dont know how many charger fans i have come across
already burning there pink LT jerseys hahah. San diego is a joke .
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Oct 23, 2009 6:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks again, John.
Your opinion of the Chargers is a bit inflated. I find a little less homerism when I visit Bolt from the Blue, when your boys are lettin’ their hair down. But your knowledge is appreciated.
I can’t predict a Chiefs win, but I definitely feel the Bolts are vulnerable right now. This isn’t to discount the Chiefs’ vulnerabilities which are many and well-known to all. But they’re also evolving more rapidly, and SD appears to be a team on its way down, right now. But young guys like Vasquez (as opposed to Goff) could see that turning around, if it continues. But right this moment, that’s definitely a struggling O-Line.
Also, I tried to tell you guys Mike Goff was terrible……
Thanks, but apparently Pioli wasn’t listening. sigh.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 23, 2009 8:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
As I said above….a lot of my confidence in the Chargers came from the game against Denver. The team looked much improved from it’s previous 4 games and lost only because Denver is one of the league’s best teams. If the Bolts can play like that again, they can beat the Chiefs (who are rebuilding).
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Oct 24, 2009 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow...
I feel like I just walked onto a battle field and am looking at a meadow covered with corpses. The take of an individual that only has seen the final result of the battle and did not fight himself…
1) John’s attempt at a good conversation and Q&A about the Chargers was in good faith.
2) John’s opinions of the Chargers are somewhat inflated.
3) Our opinions of the Chief are somewhat inflated (it seems that 90% of us have predicted a win every week thus far).
4) Many members took offense to what John viewed as an honest critique of the Chiefs.
5) John took offense to what many of us consider an honest critique of the Chargers.
We all just need to remember that regardless of our passion for this wonderful (but sometimes frustrating) team, it is a game that is to be enjoyed. Conversations and discussions should be had, but when an individual talks trash about the Chiefs, they are not insulting you. That being said, I supposed John should have expected some hostility when going into the lion’s den and talking poorly about her cub.
Somewhere in this thread, someone said our relationship to other AFC west teams is like the relationships between siblings. Maybe this is why mom never let my older brother babysit me growing up.
by 1kmilesfromkc on Oct 23, 2009 10:32 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
The great part is we all live to argue another day
Probably the greatest thing about Sports in America and the World to date.
Fight out your aggressions on the arena floor!
Much better than Kill or be Killed.
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 23, 2009 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tell that to the Itallian soccer hooligans.
Desperately hoping for Desperate Measures
by averagegatsby on Oct 24, 2009 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rec’d.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Oct 24, 2009 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well stated
when i see people in here getting upset over “bottom-dwellers” i shake my head. People since Vermeil left at the end of ’05 KC has won 16 games in 3 1/4th seasons and that includes a VERY lucky postseason berth when Denver couldnt beat a hapless San Fran team where we got the crap kicked out of us.
I understand we all want KC to win, and im rooting as hard as the next Chief fan, but please stop being so sensitive to brutally harsh truth, its really unflattering.
Thanks John for coming on here and answering questions.
"I will fight you!"
"What is your weapon?"
"My bare hands!"
"That is stupid. I will use a sword and I will cut off your bare hands."
by CT Chief Fan on Oct 24, 2009 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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