Welcome to the NFL Trade Deadline (Chiefs Edition)
by Joel Thorman on Oct 20, 2009 8:04 AM CDT
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PrintIt's not as big as the draft but the NFL trade deadline (3:00 PM CST today) is the last chance for any real blockbuster deals to go down. Some teams that are on the cusp of contending might risk some of their future to acquire a player that can put them over the top. Other teams will trade a 7th round pick for some lesser known player.
The Kansas City Chiefs, as you know, have already traded defensive tackle Tank Tyler to the Carolina Panthers for a 5th round pick. This trade was the 5th the Chiefs have been apart of in the Scott Pioli era (and the first that didn't have a Pioli connection).
The Chiefs will have to make at least two more transactions as stagdsp pointed out in the FanShots yesterday. Barry Richardson was promoted from practice squad to the active roster prior to yesterday's game, and Justin Rogers (acquired earlier in the week) was released. With the Tyler trade, that means there's an empty spot on the practice squad and an empty spot on the active roster.
This is exciting. The Chiefs have the room to trade a pick for a player and they're always looking for extra draft picks. It's been rumored that anyone on the Chiefs, except for Matt Cassel, is available. I believe that, to a degree, but those words gave the impression that it was going to be a fire-sale.
A team executive told Michael Silver of Yahoo! Sports, "[Chiefs GM Scott Pioli] has a price he wants on those guys that he’ll take, but it’s not a fire-sale price," a team executive said. "I think they’d dump Larry Johnson at this point, but the rest of those guys, I think they’d actually be willing to keep. Even Dorsey. He got himself in shape and I think they’d like to give him another chance."
Finally someone says that the information on the new regime not being high on Dorsey might be out-dated. Josh Looney of KCChiefs.com suggested that when Jason LaCanfora of NFL Network caused a stir last week reporting that Dorsey and LB Derrick Johnson were on the trade block. It appears some of the concerns about LaCanfora's report were validated when Todd Haley came out and gave some praise to Dorsey a couple days later.
Moving on....today's the deadline. We're prepared for it. Any rumors will be addressed but clearly labeled as a rumor. I expect lots of rumors to be floating around, especially with the Chiefs, given their recent history of being active traders so this should be an active day.
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moves...
I wouldn’t be surprised to see DJ moved for a draft pick
I’d LOVE to see LJ moved for a pick, but I doubt it can happen
I think they sign Banta-Cain, if possible
I think they sign one of the NT that tried out a couple weeks ago… or even Lokey, who’s still available
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
Banta-Cain apparently thinks NE is going to re-sign him
Let me find a link to that.
by Joel Thorman on Oct 20, 2009 8:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Per NESN
Banta-Cain appeared on a radio show and wasked asked if he was cut.
"Yeah, I don’t know," he said, according to the Boston Herald. "There’s some stuff going on in terms of the roster. I got to see what’s up with that situation."
Banta-Cain said that the move was made with the understanding that he’d be back, and he used the words “we” and “us” when discussing the Patriots.
by Joel Thorman on Oct 20, 2009 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Stashing?
I don’t know. After week 6 these vets have to pass waivers so that’s a risky move.
by Joel Thorman on Oct 20, 2009 8:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh you're right
I was thinking week six, but technically you might be right.
by Joel Thorman on Oct 20, 2009 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions
yeah, that's why I said "if possible"
I was thinking NE was doing some roster maneuvering
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
Whoops
Yeah…that’s what it sounds like.
by Joel Thorman on Oct 20, 2009 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions
that'd be a nice coup, though
steal him away from BB…
might burn some bridges there ;)
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
we sign banta cain...
then we trade DJ and LJ for adalius thomas and a 5th Let’s shake things up a bit….
I have inside knowledge
that everyone is being traded for a couple num 2 pencils and some crackerjacks
Pujols takes out "I" in BIG and "A" in MAC, previously considered to be an unyielding, consonant threat
hey did you see that the AP story
about the tank trade was on the front page of the sbnation nfl section….
Nice!
I’m using SBN.com more and more now.
by Joel Thorman on Oct 20, 2009 8:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Well...
The rumor flying is Shaun Rogers to the Jets. I’ve heard 2nd or 3rd rounder. Now, that’s a complete rumor, but I’ll pose the question:
Would you trade a 2nd for Rogers now that Tank’s gone? I know I’d trade a 3rd, but a second is pushing it.
"I don't know if I want to go to New York. They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City." -- Roger Maris
Eh
I’m not sure…be weary of defensive lineman with motivation problems…
by Joel Thorman on Oct 20, 2009 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions
I think shuan rogers would be a much better fit...
Maybe Rogers just needs someone to ride his ass… at least we know Haley is good at that…
And he's 30
So this level of production is likely 2-4 years maximum.
I know Pioli’s a supposed draft wiz, but does he think he can get the same production out of a 3rd rounder, on any part of the team?
"I don't know if I want to go to New York. They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City." -- Roger Maris
I don't think we'd be able to outbid the jets
The jets really need a DT with the loss of jenkins…. and frankly, teams in our situation are much more frequently sellers and not buyers…
We got a 5th for Tank? Nice.
Remember, 2 5ths can quickly become a 3rd.
"What?!?! I aint no Obama for the weed!"
-Turk McBride
or....3 5ths in 09 could have netted...
Johnny Knox WR/KR
Jasper Brinkley ILB
Fenuki Tupou RT
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
2010 5th rounders?
other possible projected 5th rounders http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings?&start_row=101
108 11 Boo Robinson DT Wake Forest 6-1 295
113 12 Danario Alexander WR Missouri 6-4 215
123 4 Eric Olsen C Notre Dame 6-4 305
127 11 Chris Scott OT Tennessee 6-4 346
129 7 Micah Johnson ILB Kentucky 6-2 258
134 8 Michael Hoomanawanui TE Illinois 6-3 270
138 5 John Estes C Hawaii 6-2 300
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
Alexander could be good but he had his injury problems
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by redmedicone on Oct 20, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions
If Only
We could have dumped Larry Johnson in such a manner that we wouldn’t be on the hook for the guaranteed money in his contract…what a good deal for the Chiefs that would have been. But of course that would have been impossible.
Oh wait.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
Give it up, the LJ hating is beyond played out. He's going to retire a Chief.
"What?!?! I aint no Obama for the weed!"
-Turk McBride
I think it's less about LJ hating
Then hating the decision to keep him on board this year even though we could have gotten rid of him with zero cap hit….
And have who run the ball?
Charles? Pipsqueak can’t take the hits. Don’t act as if his cap hit is hampering this team. If we had dumped him, we would have had to use a higher pick on a RB and would have been in worse shape.
"What?!?! I aint no Obama for the weed!"
-Turk McBride
it's one of those
hindsight is 20/20 issues… we’re paying LJ a lot of money to play about as well as I could have played when I was 21…. (that’s not saying much.) He’s basically turned into what baseball calls a replacement level player….. Williams would probably provide about the same production considering the state of our line…
up until Sunday I thought he HAD retired ,,, the way he was running
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
I'd like to make up a really crazy off the wall rumour and see if we can get it picked up by some major outlet
Like d bowe and our first for julius peppers and steve smith
No
At least not with the name Arrowhead Pride attached.
by Joel Thorman on Oct 20, 2009 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm just kidding man...
I don’t work today because I took an extra travel day and didn’t sleep last night…. just being dumb…
I know you guys have worked very hard to make this a reputable site….
I Would Take That
Only because Steve Smith is on my fantasy football team. :)
But in real life, no…it would not be a trade that would help the Chiefs.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
Not In The Long-Term Anyway
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
long term
schmognterm….. I want to win now… how would trading a top five pick and our best player
for two thirty year olds with big contracts NOT be good… ha
He's Also 30 And Injury-Prone
Much as I appreciate the man…no thanks.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
forget about "winning now" ,,, just get it out of your mind, drop it, ain't gonna happen
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
yes ... yes we did
it was nice, but it was incidental to The Process, a nice and pleasant “side note” along Evaluation Trail
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
Me Too
I’ve got a ways to go before I buy into the idea that Pioli and Haley have some brainiac master plan to rebuild the team…but nonetheless with Smith he isn’t a piece the Chiefs need to trade for. He isn’t going to help us that much in the short-term and he’s a bad bet for us in the long-term. If he were a free agent or waiver pickup, I’d say sure…but he’s not worth a trade.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
DJ
On SportsCenter a few minutes ago Adam Schefter listed a couple unlikely trades and then suggested the Chiefs trading DJ as a somewhat more likely possibility. He did say that the Chiefs probably have a high asking price and that may hold some teams back.
We know the Bears
are in need of a LB. Are there any other teams that might feel the urge to pull the trigger on a DJ trade?
I'd say maybe the titans...
Their LB core has been terrible…. but they’re probably in sell mode too… I’m trying to think of injuries but I’m coming up blank…
buffalo
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
seattle now, I think
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
I thought
tatupu and curry were playing well…. would DJ be a huge upgrade over will herring????
or maybe we could trade DJ for curry…. YAY!!!!
tatupu is hurt
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/10/19/tatupus-season-may-not-be-done-yet/
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
actually.... that might be a perfect fit...
They have a good chance to win the west, the could slide curry over to MLB and play DJ at wlb….. hmmmm I could see them having some interest in that…. good looking out man…
I was looking at the seahawks depth chart and
lo and behold sackintosh was listed as their starting LT…. holy shit… is that a joke… no way they plan on winning anything this year…
injuries or
lack of effectiveness???…. although… they are probably sellers too… but haven’t really kept up much with buffalo this year…
buffalo has lots of LB injuries
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
really???
they just contracted cancer (TO)…. and they’re in a really tough afc east… you think anyone in that front office thinks they are contenders???
Why would they have
signed TO, if they didn’t feel that they could be a contender? They are coming off a victory over the Jets behind their backup QB & are only 2 games behind the Pats. Why wouldn’t they still feel they are in the race? A lot can happen in the next 10 games & you know what they say:
Nobody can circle the wagons like the Bills!! :)
I think it's more a matter or Jauron trying to keep his job
than thinking they’re in the hunt.
Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read. - Groucho Marx
They need to dump the
cancer that is TO then, before he becomes malignant again. 2 games back with 10 to go & a game left with each of their division rivals leaves them quite a bit of hope yet.
Philly,
Gaither is out for the year, he’s an outside LB in a 4-3 where DJ is at his best and the Eagles are in the playoff hunt.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Oct 20, 2009 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions
If we trade it should be for some offensive lineman
If we could trade Dj for a center or a guard that can actually block I’d be all for it. I think if something drastic doesn’t happen on the offensive line that there is no way Cassel makes it through the season.
Although I would trade Goff for a pack of gum and some dryer lint.
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I know
the commercials for 5 gum are dumb… but it’s seriously the best gum I’ve ever had…. if it’s a pack of 5 gum I’d do it in a heartbeat
when that first came out
they were in NYC on the street giving it our for free. I got like 5 packs. it was pretty sweet.
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by Patrick Allen on Oct 20, 2009 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions
But
5 gum is a little steep a price for Goff. Dount anyone will pay it.
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by Patrick Allen on Oct 20, 2009 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions
blah blah blah
Went through alot of market value crap with tank last night…. I don’t care if they won’t give me a pack of five… that’s still what he’s worth to me… sentiment means everything in football… right????
realistically,
I think they might be trying to not shake up the starting roster much more for a while so that they can get some continuity. I think they will probably be looking to pick up depth more than anything, especially on the lines.
He did not say no
Haley did not say no when asked if he would have T O on his team. Bowe one side TO on the other.
by Charles # 1 chiefs fan on Oct 20, 2009 12:32 PM CDT reply actions
I thought Haley
Said he would never coach a team with Terrell Owens on it. Maybe I heard that here…
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