Why We Need Only 1-2 Offensive Lineman This Draft
I was looking on Cbssports draft page http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings and I noticed Why Draft more then one offensive lineman when you could get maybe you could get one or two free agent offensive lineman and you would save your draft picks.
LT Mike Gandy Free Agent Or Brandon Albert
LG Brian Waters {If he retires witch I hope} or Brandon Albert he played guard in college because of Eugene Monroe now on the Jaguars.
C J.D Walton Draft Pick 3rd round
RG Ikechuku Ndukwe or Andy Alleman
RT IF Brian Waters doesn't retire then move Brandon Albert to Right Tackle.
And below I made a mock draft of what we should do with those picks
1 Sergio Kindle LB 6-2 227 pounds
2 Vince Oghobaase NT Duke 6-6 306 pounds
2 Darrell Stuckey SS Kansas 6-1 205 pounds
3 J.D Walton C Baylor 305
4 Jeron Mastrud TE 6-6 253 pounds
5 Chris McGaha WR 6-1 193 pounds
5 Andre Anderson RB 6-0 211 pounds
6 Mike Tepper OT 321 pounds
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couple of clarifcations...
who is “mike” at LT?
would you mind adding positions next to your draft picks?
Thigpen’s compensation was a 5th round pick
thanks
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Oct 19, 2009 4:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Kindle is not worth that high of a pick unles we go on a roll.
If we can’t get Berry I would rather get Stuckey in a later round then Mays in the 1st.
by Helmets on Oct 19, 2009 4:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think Albert would make a much better LG than RT.
O’ Callaghan seems to be doing a pretty good job at RT and he is very young. He has potential to be VERY good. I think we should draft a LT with the 1st pick and get a Center in the 2nd round. Move Waters to RG and groom Ike to replace him when the time comes. Ndukwe seems like he could be a VERY good RG. Keep Niswanger, Alleman and Smith around for depth and try to get one more SOLID guy to be a backup Tackle. (Maybe Richardson but, I’m not impressed with him so far)
by Chiefsfan1970 on Oct 19, 2009 4:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
can't argue with that!
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Oct 19, 2009 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that 2 O-Linemen need to be drafted
they MUST draft a TOP Center… dont’ care who, or what round… but it’s gotta be a starter
they MUST draft EITHER a TOP LT or a TOP LG…
Other than that, they could use some depth, or continue to develop the guys they already have on the roster
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Oct 19, 2009 4:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
OL is a pretty deep draft position. Here are some options:
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2009-05-05-2010-draft-preview_N.htm
2. Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma State, 6-5, 300: He became a starter and a standout as a true freshman and is reliable while pass protecting on the blind side.
10. Trent Williams, OT, Oklahoma, 6-5, 309: After three years manning the right-tackle post, Williams returns for his senior season to show he can play left tackle, too.
16. Ciron Black, OT, LSU, 6-5, 328: He’s started at left tackle in all 40 of his career games.
18. Adam Ulatoski, OT, Texas, 6-8, 310: A huge, reliable, seasoned lineman with 30 starts — 14 at left tackle and 16 on the right side.
31. Sam Young, OT, Notre Dame, 6-8, 330: He has started 38 consecutive games, playing on the right and left side.
I say get the best player available at #1:
It could be: Mays FS USC, Berry SS Tennessee, Suh DE- Nebraska, Weatherspoon LB Mizzou, Brandon LaFell WR LSU, whoever Pioli has rated as the “once in a decade” player. (Probably someone we don’t know about, maybe a DE from Idaho or something).
Then hopefully one of these guys above drops to the second round, and pickup some depth in the later rounds.
"The road to Easy Street goes through the sewer."
--John Madden
by cpa913 on Oct 19, 2009 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trent Williams looked like crap Saturday
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Oct 19, 2009 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about Centers?
That’s the biggest need on the O-line IMO.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Oct 19, 2009 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you can pick that up with a 2nd round pick
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by redmedicone on Oct 19, 2009 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was watching Texas
and I fell in love with Chris Hall…their Center. He is 6’4 300lbs….I dont like him being so tall but he was blocking very good. He is very strong and was standing guys up and opening big holes. I would love for us to grab him.
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Oct 19, 2009 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ya i was watchin it too and he did make it really aesy for mccoy to run threw the middle a few times
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by redmedicone on Oct 19, 2009 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree again, McCoy tore him up
I didn’t see Hall get any kind of push on McCoy at all, and McCoy was in Colt’s face much of the day. If Hall’s your benchmark for senior centers then good luck! (Also, check out the scouting commentary on Hall posted on National Football Post today.)
by Wheatboy74 on Oct 19, 2009 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree with that
Got run around way too much.
by Wheatboy74 on Oct 19, 2009 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im sorry i cant bring myself to the idea of another Texas LB
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by redmedicone on Oct 19, 2009 4:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
and i think there is better options out there
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by redmedicone on Oct 19, 2009 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
actually im sure there is
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by redmedicone on Oct 19, 2009 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep...
I’d mock it quite different…
1 Berry, S or Okung, LT
2 Spikes, OLB (if he falls) or Benn, WR
2 O’Dowd, C… (or the top C, whoever that is)
not sure about the later rounds off the top of my head
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Oct 19, 2009 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
isnt spikes a ILB
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by redmedicone on Oct 19, 2009 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know he would still be able to play OLB but just makin sure and if he does fall that far ya take him
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by redmedicone on Oct 19, 2009 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Our 1st round pick
Might not be able to include Berry, Mays, or Okung…..if we start rolling out some wins. THEN who do we take with the 8-13 range….or around there.
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Oct 19, 2009 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hardy?
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by redmedicone on Oct 19, 2009 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
or hughes?
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by redmedicone on Oct 19, 2009 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hughes, Dez Bryant, Might be a good trade down option too
by BAMFSpecialOps on Oct 19, 2009 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
norwood
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by Matt_Grbac on Oct 19, 2009 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
him too
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by redmedicone on Oct 19, 2009 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He just doesn't impress me enough
by BAMFSpecialOps on Oct 19, 2009 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ever heard of Carl Ihenacho
DE for San Jose st…..looks good!
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by Matt_Grbac on Oct 19, 2009 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There are also...
Von Martin-Texas A&M
Dexter Davis-Arizona State
Derrick Morgan- GTech
Ricky Sapp-Clemson
All should be 2nd round-2nd day, Sapp to me looks like a good ‘project’ 3-4OLB. Has the speed to get past the tackle at the snap, but needs to bulk up more. If a team drafts him later on then moves him around the defense OLB/ILB depending on the situation…he could have a serious impact.
by BAMFSpecialOps on Oct 19, 2009 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
I’m against drafting from Texas. Seems like most players from there never reach their full potential.
by BeijingKCfan on Oct 20, 2009 12:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brian Waters.......
Just hired an agent before the season started.
I seriously doubt he hired an agent to help him draft retiremant papers when the season is over.
He’s been acting as his own agent for a number of years.
I’d assume that him actually hiring someone to take over that duty is because he’s either looking for 1 more money contract before he retires, or because he wanted the best possible advice on how to get out of KC.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
by Texas Chief on Oct 19, 2009 5:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He still has 2 years left on his contract in KC.
He either needs to be traded for a good pick or shut his mouth and play ball.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Oct 19, 2009 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im not arguing with that sentiment
… just pointing out the fact that Waters just hired an agent.
Royalsfan99 eluded to a possible retirement…..which I dont think will happen.
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by Texas Chief on Oct 19, 2009 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well if he leaves then well have to use a 1st round and a second round pick on Oline
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by redmedicone on Oct 19, 2009 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not gonna be the popular guy with this post at all, but...
Depending on the talent that is available I think we will need to pick a running back with one of our day one picks. (Assuming we don’t get someone that is solid, but he doesn’t necessarily have to be a superstar during free agency.) Remember when all the fans hated Carl Peterson when he picked LJ in the first round when we already had Priest Holmes on the roster? Then Priest got hurt, LJ rocked, and we had LJ when Priest retired. The timing is right for another similar move.
Let’s start with what, to me, is obvious. If you don’t have Montana, Brady, Elway, Peyton Manning, etc. as your starting QB you need a dominant running back. He’s one of the top positions on your team where you need talent. In my opinion QB, RB, LT, and a pass rusher are the most important positions on your team.
I think LJ has enough gas in the tank that he could be the starter at the beginning of next year. Then he could be slowly phased from being our main RB over to the new guy being the main guy by closer to the end of the season. There aren’t many backs that come in and just tear it up like Adrian Peterson did in his first year. So a new RB will most likely need some time to get going. That’s why it makes sense to draft one next year when LJ is close to the end of his career, but not at the very end.
In fairness there is a good counter-argument to this. We need players at all kinds of different positions. So if, for example, we have a choice between a safety and a running back in the 2nd round and we think there is more upside to the safety we might have to go with him.
One of my main points here is this. In the mock drafts that I’ve seen so far there has been little emphasis on the RB position and I don’t agree with that.
by Primussux on Oct 19, 2009 5:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I have gave thought to this subject
I think this year we dont need to look at a RB just yet Next year is when i think we make that kind of move if we are going to get a RB from the draft just my thought
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by redmedicone on Oct 19, 2009 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And i do have a guy in mind we could go after next year too he is a sophmore this year
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by redmedicone on Oct 19, 2009 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Geez!
And I thought I was nuts talking about next years draft this early and here you are talking about the one after that! lol
Nah. Just givin’ ya hell redmedicone. ;)
by Primussux on Oct 19, 2009 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey im lookin way in the future
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by redmedicone on Oct 19, 2009 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is my guy
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by redmedicone on Oct 19, 2009 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jeff Demps i think would kill if we got him in a couple years
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by redmedicone on Oct 19, 2009 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My guy probably handed your guy the ball
Week 7 Prediction:
Kansas City Chiefs 77 - San Diego Chargers 2
by craig in calgary on Oct 19, 2009 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
whos that
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by redmedicone on Oct 19, 2009 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Umm, Tim Tebow.
Week 7 Prediction:
Kansas City Chiefs 77 - San Diego Chargers 2
by craig in calgary on Oct 19, 2009 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well we wont take tebow i dont think
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by redmedicone on Oct 19, 2009 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but i think after LJ is outta gas Demps would be good the step in ounce he gets alil bigger
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by redmedicone on Oct 19, 2009 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but this is way in the future so
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by redmedicone on Oct 19, 2009 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure if I can see Demps as a guy to carry the load
by BAMFSpecialOps on Oct 19, 2009 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hes got another year to get under his belt lol next year if he get 1000 yards ?
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by redmedicone on Oct 19, 2009 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and i wouldnt use him by him self cant do that with anyone anymore
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by redmedicone on Oct 19, 2009 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Id feel safe with MJD carrying the load by himself
by BAMFSpecialOps on Oct 19, 2009 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well its rare
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by redmedicone on Oct 19, 2009 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh Christ
Welcome to Chiefs REBUILD - Version 2.0 /The Clark Hunt Edition
Chiefs will be lucky to go 4-12 in 2010
by KansasCityShuffle on Oct 19, 2009 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, some people compare him to Christ.
Week 7 Prediction:
Kansas City Chiefs 77 - San Diego Chargers 2
by craig in calgary on Oct 19, 2009 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey! I had a potato chip that looked like Christ...
Wait, nvm saw that on TV.
by BAMFSpecialOps on Oct 19, 2009 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
To bad it wasn't yours.
You could of sold it to some sucker for big money on ebay.
by Primussux on Oct 19, 2009 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is good...
I like Chris Rainey myself……Florida has so many great RB its crazy, Demps and Rainey will be forces in the NFL…..speed kills.
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by Matt_Grbac on Oct 20, 2009 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree here
We have a few guys on the roster who could pan out, most havn’t had extended time with the ball. We could also move to move of a shotgun/quick pass team to keep Cassel on his feet.
by BAMFSpecialOps on Oct 19, 2009 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the guy im thinking of though needs to beef up alil bit
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by redmedicone on Oct 19, 2009 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No way LJ has gas in the tank
KC has a terrible run game, won’t get better until O-line improves and LJ is replaced. Agree that new RB’s are essential, but 2nd round pick would likely be earliest slot. First round RB = usually over-valued, IMHO.
by Wheatboy74 on Oct 19, 2009 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think hold off for one more year.
We need to fix our Line right now. If the line is fixed then LJ will produce for about 1 more year, IMO. Then the year after we could draft a RB while Kolby tears it up for a bit until the new guy gets the hang of the game.
by Wrestler189s on Oct 19, 2009 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm curious about Javarris Williams.
They thought enough of him to draft him and apparently still like him because he’s on the practice squad. I don’t remember seeing him much in preseason. I know it’s probably a reach, but I kind of wondered if maybe they were trying to hide him.
Maybe they figured they’d keep LJ this year, Charles deserved a shot, Savage was playing well, Battle showed special teams ability if not much else and Kolby is waiting in the wings to show whether he can still play or not.
Pick up a back you like at low cost, give him enough reps to see if he could be what you thought he was, then hide him so you can sneak him to your practice squad in case he’s needed.
by bh13 on Oct 20, 2009 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well anyways its a thought see next season you remember this when we are all talking about RBs and the 2011 draft lol
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by redmedicone on Oct 19, 2009 5:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It is a lil early for 2011 draft talk
by BAMFSpecialOps on Oct 19, 2009 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
next season
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by redmedicone on Oct 19, 2009 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My thought to AP
Is next year 2010 the year for a playoff push?
or 2011?
Do we keep building the depth and breadth of this team this year and next.
Then grab the RB’s and WR’s to finish the deal in 2011 draft or FA?
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
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by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 19, 2009 7:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I could see the playoffs in 2010
However with only 1 win, and an ugly win(not complaining) I think its too early to really tell. This team has not found its identity on offense, nor have we seen a ‘mean’ streak on defense. The back half of the schedule should give us a good idea of how this team will come together. Some of the mistakes could be from all of the changes, or just could be we have that many holes. With 1 good draft I think we will push the playoffs since we are in the AFC West.
by BAMFSpecialOps on Oct 19, 2009 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Usually year 3 is when you see results in rebuilding projects
There are obvious exceptions, but usually the third year is what you should judge a rebuild by. There was a pretty well-researched post on the front page about this before the season started.
by ajanzen on Oct 19, 2009 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
2012 then
or did the rebuild start in 2008
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 19, 2009 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
waters to center
Albert to guard and draft the best LT that is there; go with
ike or Allman at RG and Ocallahan or a good free agent at RT. And no Tebow there will be better options at fullback
by Slownole on Oct 19, 2009 8:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
1) good free agent o lineman cost a lot of $
2) or they are old
3) Ikechuku Ndukwe or Andy Alleman are not starting right now why should they start next year
4) we have to think long term! waters is going to retire soon and i hope we have drafted his replacement before he retires.
I think we should draft at least 2 o lineman! A tackle in round 2 and a center/guard in round 3.
we are not going to spent all of our first 3 draft picks on d. our o is terrible and needs more help.
by pmwz on Oct 20, 2009 7:18 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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