The NFL Trade Deadline: What to Expect from the Kansas City Chiefs
by Chris Thorman on Oct 17, 2009 1:56 PM CDT
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The NFL trade deadline is on Tuesday at 4 PM Eastern time. Will the Kansas City Chiefs be involved in any trades?
Maybe to unlikely.
I say that based on the fact that there aren't very many trades in the NFL in general, even as the trade deadline approaches.
To gauge the Chiefs' chances of making a trade and to see what types of players that may be involved, I did what we always do now when we're guessing what the Chiefs are going to do - look back and see what the Patriots did.
I went back to 2001 and pulled out the player for player and the player for picks trades that the New England Patriots made. The Chiefs general manager, Scott Pioli, was the Director of Player Personnel in New England starting in 2001 before becoming the Vice President of Player Personnel in 2002. So, yeah, he had a hand in these trades to say the least.
Before you hit the jump, here are a few observations:
- The Patriots made 12 player/player or player/picks trades since 2001
- They never made an October trade
- The Patriots had some great value trades but also made some trades that completely backfired
- They were quick to cut loose players with problems (off the field, contract issues and injuries)
- They traded for six players and traded away six players
- They never traded away a first round pick for a player
After the jump, I take a look at each of these 12 trades. Let us know what you think about who/if the Chiefs will trade after reading what Pioli did in New England for the last 8 seasons.
2002
Pioli got: Green Bay's 2002 4th round pick (117th overall) and conditional 2003 draft pick
Pioli gave up: WR Terry Glenn
March 8th
Glenn was in his sixth season and coming off a 2001 season where he only played four games. Bill Belichick deactivated Glenn for most of the '01 season for off the field problems. Glenn played the 2003 season in Green Bay before being shipped off to Dallas.
Pioli got: Buffalo's 2003 1st round pick
Pioli gave up: QB Drew Bledsoe
April 21st
Bledsoe was also in his sixth season when he was traded from New England. I don't want to get too detailed with this trade since we all know the circumstances. Bledsoe injured; Tom Brady comes in; The world loves Tom Brady.
2003
Pioli got: Houston's 5th round pick (154th overall)
Pioli gave up: T Greg Randall
March 6th
Randall was originally drafted by the Patriots in the 4th round of the 2000 draft and played a backup right tackle role for them. Not a bad drop off in trade value after three years - only one round.
Pioli got: New Orlean's 3rd round pick (81st overall), 7th round pick (239th overall) and the Saints 4th round pick in the 2004 draft (113th overall)
Pioli gave up: S Tebucky Jones
April 14th
Jones was drafted by the Patriots in the first round of the 1998 draft. He was franchised in 2003, which accounts for the high number of draft picks that the Pats received from the Saints.
Jones returned to the Pats in 2006 and just recently was in the news because he is suing the Patriots for malpractice essentially.
Pioli got: NT Ted Washington (from Chicago)
Pioli gave up: 2004 4th round pick (104th overall)
August 19th
If you run the 3-4, you need a nose tackle. And there aren't a lot of guys who are well-suited as Washington to do that. Washington was in his 12th year in the NFL when this trade happened and he only played one season for the Patriots.
Pioli got: G Jamil Soriano (From Chicago)
Pioli gave up: Conditional draft pick
August 26th
Not much to read into this trade. Soriano was in and off the Patriots practice squad in the 2003 season after giving up a conditional pick to get him from the Bears. He was signed by the Bears as an undrafted college free agent.
2004
Pioli got: RB Corey Dillon (From Bengals)
Pioli gave up: 2nd round pick (56th overall)
April 19th
After seven seasons with the Bengals, Dillon came to New England and rushed for over 1,600 yards in the 2004 season. He would play two more seasons in New England before retiring.
2005
Pioli got: CB Duane Starks (from Cardinals) and Arizona's 5th round pick (145th overall)
Pioli gave up: 3rd round pick (95th overall) and 5th round pick (168th overall)
March 4th
Essentially giving up a 3rd round pick for Starks, the Patriots released him after just one season. He was the 10th overall pick in the 1998 NFL draft and only played in seven games for the Pats. He was put on injured reserve after a shoulder injury.
2006
Pioli got: DL Johnathan Sullivan
Pioli gave up: WR Bethel Johnson
June 6th
Johnson was a 2nd round pick by the Patriots in 2003. The Patriots decided to trade the disappointing receiver for what would be an even bigger disappointment - Johnathan Sullivan. He was the 6th overall pick in the 2003 draft but was arrested on drug charges just weeks after signing with the Pats.
The Patriots released Sullivan the following October. He didn't play a snap for New England.
Pioli got: Seahawks' 2007 1st round pick (24th overall)
Pioli gave up: WR Deion Branch
September 11th
Branch was drafted with the final pick in the second round by the Patriots in 2002. After being named the Super Bowl MVP in 2005, the Pats pulled the wool over the eyes of the Seahawks and traded Branch away for...a first round pick. Branch and the Patriots were having contract issues and as the pattern shows, the Patriots ditched their problem player.
This trade should be made literally every time it is offered to a team.
2007
Pioli got: WR Wes Welker
Pioli gave up: 2nd round pick (60th overall) and 7th round pick (238th overall)
March 5th
Welker had played three NFL seasons when he came to New England. He would play in every game over the next two seasons, catching 112 and 111 passes respectively. I consider this a good trade by the Patriots because of their plethora of draft picks at the time and the fact that Welker so clearly fit their system.
Pioli got: WR Randy Moss (from Oakland)
Pioli gave up: 4th round pick (110th overall)
April 29th
We all know about this trade too. Moss to New England. Brady to Moss. All year long.
2009
Pioli got: QB Matt Cassel and LB Mike Vrabel
Pioli gave up: 2nd round pick (34th overall)
February 28th
Even though the jury is still out on this trade, I think it's safe to say that at the time it was a great value for what we got.
Chime in with your thoughts in the comment section.
Which players do you think are on the trading block based on Pioli's trade history?
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IMO, everyone's on the trade block
I wouldn’t feel safe, even if I’m playing my heart out. Cassel, Vrabel and Jackson are the only ones that know they have a job in Kansas City. If a team were to give up a first rounder, and then some for Bowe, I’d assume Pioli would jump on it. I don’t think anyone will give up anything less than a third for DJ, but if they did, I’d assume Pioli would jump on it. I don’t see us trading much within the next few days, and if they do, it’ll probably be later picks for backup players.
by SoCalChief17 on Oct 17, 2009 2:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
For the record
I don’t think anything will happen. I don’t think we have anyone that any other team wants that bad or is willing to give up what Pioli will accept.
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by Chris Thorman on Oct 17, 2009 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I’d love for us to get a huge playmaker, but I just don’t see it happening…Come draft time is when I’d expect trades to go down.
by SoCalChief17 on Oct 17, 2009 2:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I Don't See It
Our most tradeable asset (Bowe) is unlikely to be on the block and nobody else is really performing well enough to draw interest. Waters, I suppose, could be worthwhile to someone. But no blockbuster deals that I see. Figure we’re probably stuck with Larry Johnson.
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6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Oct 17, 2009 2:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Tebucky, what a great name!
I can’t see the team going for some “playmaker” type, though I can see someone shipped out for a/some draft pick(s) – Crawford is likely right: I think we’re stuck with LJ, though he’d be long gone if I had my way
Bowe is worth something but he’s still young and I see him as part of the team for quite some time- only way I’d part with a Bowe would be MINUMUM 2nd and 4/5 picks, but would prefer 1st and … whatever
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by upamtn on Oct 17, 2009 2:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
There wont be any trades from us.
Unless we’re getting someone for a pick or something and typically those transactions are with people making a run for the playoffs which we aren’t. Any of our players with any value are young talented players that this team is being built around so to trade them seems counterproductive.
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by GenericBrand on Oct 17, 2009 3:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Trade?
I think we should trade Mark Vlasic for Bernie Kosar.
by mr_dizzy_dean on Oct 17, 2009 3:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
They need to...
….I think they should TRY to salvage what they can out of Johnson and trade him. Give Charles the reins and make him work on carrying and holding the ball. His speed and catching ability makes him a VERY good threat. O’callaghan (not sure I spelled that right), is a actually a very decent to good pass blocker. He is not quick or does not have much speed BUT can block and has really good fram at 6’7. I think they need to check out the free agency a little bit closer. I think there ARE a few guy left there that can help out the team in atleast some depth and good decent backups for our positions.
by javim100 on Oct 17, 2009 3:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
And the yes votes take over the no votes
I’m surprised by this.
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by Chris Thorman on Oct 17, 2009 3:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think just the way this season is unfolding
That a minor trade or two are probably going to occur. Not a blockbuster though.
New England’s roster was much more stable than the Chiefs this year.
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
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by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 17, 2009 3:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe D.J. to the lions for a pick?
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by GanjaChief on Oct 17, 2009 6:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
maybe???
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by GanjaChief on Oct 17, 2009 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Our roster looks to me like it's set up for a trade
Why all the TEs and LBs? I think we have one extra of each. I think DJ may be on the block for a Middle of the Road lineman. I’m probably wrong, but I think there will be at least one trade.
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by Big Chief on Oct 17, 2009 10:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The only thing I can think of
The Raiders said last week that they are having a “fire sale” As Per ESPN. No one is safe and all players are up for grabs, I’m not sure they have anyone worth grabbing but was glad to hear that it was them announcing it rather than the Chiefs.
is it me? or isn't about time the Lamar Hunt trophy belonged to His team?
I’m a Chiefs fan Dammit and I’m damn proud of it!
by KC Fanatic on Oct 18, 2009 7:30 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Awesome...
lets trade a 7th for Jamarcus Russell haha
by MasterBlaster7 on Oct 18, 2009 9:02 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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