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Schefter: Chiefs Should Trade Bowe to the Ravens

Adam Schefter of ESPN talked on SportsCenter today about five trades that he believes should happen.  To be clear, he is NOT reporting this or saying any talks have happened.  These are five trades that, in his mind, make sense.

It's fun to talk about trades but history shows that it's unlikely to happen.  However, this season may be a little different. 

A big reason many trades are generally unlikely to occur is due to the finances involved, mainly the salary cap.  With an uncapped year around the corner, and multiple teams with previously unheard of cap space, this has become less of an issue. Will it make any difference? I have no idea, but it's an intriguing part of the trade deadline story.

As for the chances of the Chiefs trading Bowe to the Ravens? I doubt it.  Anything's possible but Bowe is too important to the viability of the Chiefs offense. 

Ever since Todd Haley "demoted" Bowe in the preseason, rumors of a Bowe trade have been flying.

Bowe and the Chiefs were previously linked to the New York Jets in trade speculation.  The Jets, of course, opted for Braylon Edwards.  On September 25th, Schefter said in an ESPN chat that he believes every player on the Chiefs, save Matt Cassel and Tyson Jackson, is available, and that includes Dwayne Bowe.

I understood the reasoning behind trading Tony Gonzalez, primarily his age and the compensation that was available at the time, but trading Bowe would take away Matt Cassel's No. 1 target.  And, as we've previously discussed, major goals for the organization should be to protect the quarterback and provide him with weapons since this is a quarterback-driven league.

Bowe's been successful under Haley this season, and his numbers have been incredibly consistent for a wide-out in his third year, so I think any information about him being in Haley's doghouse is out-dated.

Will a Bowe trade happen?  I wouldn't bet on it.

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Why would the Chiefs do this?

There is no benefit whatsoever. He is paid nominally for his production, he’s in his 3rd year when recievers usually break out, they don’t need any more 2nd round draft picks, and they will never be able to match his production, and by trading the Chiefs only WR option, will prohibit Cassel’s ability to produce and grow in this system. I didn’t like the TG trade for this reason, and I would hate this trade.

Week 6 Prediction:
Kansas City Chiefs 77 - Washington Redskins 2

by craig in calgary on Oct 15, 2009 4:17 PM CDT reply actions  

...and if anyone says Pioli will trade him because he is not a "Pioli guy"

I will punch you in the throat

Week 6 Prediction:
Kansas City Chiefs 77 - Washington Redskins 2

by craig in calgary on Oct 15, 2009 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

They could always use the 2nd round pick to bolster the offensive line

But I’m still with you….Bowe is far more valuable than anyone I think they could/would get in the second round (or even the bottom half of the first).

by Joel Thorman on Oct 15, 2009 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

same here

and I believe he said that the Bowe trade was highly unlikely – as were the others

by Ochophosphate on Oct 15, 2009 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Once you get past the fact it makes no sense

it’s completely possible.

The Kansas City Chief's 2009 record will be 5-11.

by Druful on Oct 15, 2009 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hmm

I listened to the podcast of him on Mike and Mike and he didn’t reference fantasy….not that I don’t believe you, just sayin’ that’s where I got it.

by Joel Thorman on Oct 15, 2009 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am with you...

on this one. Although I would not mind some more #2 pics. This trade would make no sense to me, from any angle.

Please don’t punch me in the throat.

Bewsaf

by Bewsaf on Oct 16, 2009 7:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

If They Were To Trade Bowe And Didn't Get A First-Rounder (At Least) Out Of The Deal

Then Pioli and Haley need to be fired immediately after the season.

I don’t care that Braylon Edwards didn’t get a 1st round pick in the deal to the Jets…the Browns sold low and got screwed because Mangini is a fucking moron and Kokonis is incompetent. There is no reason to sell low on Bowe considering he’s only in his third season and the team owns his rights for three more years after this one. We are unlikely to get a player in the 2nd round of equivalent value to Bowe or a player in the 5th round that would make up the difference between Bowe and the 2nd rounder.

Schefter’s way off.

Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.

by UCrawford on Oct 15, 2009 4:24 PM CDT reply actions  

Seriously, what is up with Schefter?

Ever since the move to ESPN, I havent enjoyed his news analysis nearly as much. Does being in an ESPN newsroom fuck up your brain or something?

Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes; after that, who cares?! He's a mile away and you've got his shoes!

by SuperTurtle on Oct 15, 2009 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Haven't You Seen?

Mort’s his buddy now…he’s teaching him all the ropes of being a fuck-up of a reporter who fabricates stories whenever he can’t be bothered to do any homework. :)

ESPN is a terrible environment for journalism…they need to clear out some of the old guard I think before they’ll get better.

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Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.

by UCrawford on Oct 15, 2009 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Also

It’s probably a little easier to get scoops when you’re working for the NFL’s PR wing. :)

Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.

by UCrawford on Oct 15, 2009 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

I sincerely wish he never left NFL for ESPN

He seems like he is out of the loop, news wise anyway. His articles dont have nearly as much substance as the ones on the NFL website used to.

Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes; after that, who cares?! He's a mile away and you've got his shoes!

by SuperTurtle on Oct 15, 2009 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yup

A reporter is only as good as the access he can get. I think Schefter’s going to discover that he hasn’t got nearly the access with ESPN that he did with NFLN. Why do you think guys like Eisen (an ex-ESPNer) look like they’re having so much more fun at NFLN? Their job is a hell of a lot easier.

I’d still take Schefter’s word on all things Broncos, though.

Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.

by UCrawford on Oct 15, 2009 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

I <3 Eisen

The 90 minute Gameday program on the NFLN is awesome. I’m not a Deion guy, but the combo of Eisen/Mooch/Deion is the best in the biz.

Week 6 Prediction:
Kansas City Chiefs 77 - Washington Redskins 2

by craig in calgary on Oct 15, 2009 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Can't Stand Deion

But Eisen and Mooch are good at what they do.

Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.

by UCrawford on Oct 15, 2009 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don't you guys just love

that Jamie Dukes? (Vomits)

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by Patrick Allen on Oct 15, 2009 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Meh

I can take him or leave him. He’s about 50-50 on the dumbass/insightful split. Maybe 60-40 or 70-30.

Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.

by UCrawford on Oct 15, 2009 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Browns Could Probably Get A Third For Quinn

As the Panthers are looking pretty desperate at QB. Merriman would be a great deal for the Chargers (not so good for the Pats), and nobody wants Owens the way he’s current producing, given his history (so a 4th is probably high). The Peppers suggestion is the only one that makes sense for both teams.

Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.

by UCrawford on Oct 15, 2009 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

UCrawford, on this we are in total agreement.

It's a good thing Pioli and Haley aren't running AP or a lot of you guys would of been traded or cut for cast offs from the Pats Pulpit.

by KCporkchop on Oct 15, 2009 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Figured We Would Be

Doubt there are many people out there who would think that’s a good trade.

Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.

by UCrawford on Oct 15, 2009 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

If they made this trade...

I’d stop watching Chiefs football until the draft

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Oct 15, 2009 4:26 PM CDT reply actions  

Same Here

I’d quit until Haley and Pioli were fired.

Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.

by UCrawford on Oct 15, 2009 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree

I’m getting angry just thinking about it.
I guess I should calm down a bit, as this is all speculation, but Pioli better start “working his magic” as I’m getting a little nervous that Clark made the right decision.

Week 6 Prediction:
Kansas City Chiefs 77 - Washington Redskins 2

by craig in calgary on Oct 15, 2009 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

beyond speculation

as Bestofthewest mentioned above, the segment was titled “fantasy” trades – Schefter said himself that most were far fetched.

Though the Quinn to Carolina move doesn’t seem as outlandish as the others.

by Ochophosphate on Oct 15, 2009 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe

But Quinn (his definite flaws aside) is still a better starting QB than Derek Anderson, so he holds more value to Cleveland than a 4th round pick. That trade would be too one-sided.

Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.

by UCrawford on Oct 15, 2009 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Aren't the Ravens

a team with an excess of young OT? Seems like I saw that on their site. Perhaps a stud tackle & a draft pick?

by ttownmikey on Oct 15, 2009 4:27 PM CDT reply actions  

I think the Brady Quinn to the Panthers trade would be a great move for Quinn....

Owens to the Bears – would be great TV when he explodes on Cutler.

Peppers to the Niners – SICK DEFENSE

Merriman to the Pats – Merriman would choke a bitch to get that deal done.

Bowe to….. whoever – Wave the white flag.

Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.

by BigRedChief on Oct 15, 2009 4:30 PM CDT reply actions  

On Owens to Bears

Agreed, the issue would be that Cutler spreads it around too much. However, he was able to keep Marshall and Royal well fed last year – he could probably keep Owens and Knox/Bennett/Hester/Olsen decently happy.

The move would be better for Owens than Chicago.

by Ochophosphate on Oct 15, 2009 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Damn Broncos

Sorry but this is taking way too long. We are not on the right track. We are not showing progress. I started following the Chiefs when Lenny D. was slinging the ball and have seen a lot of football.

This is what I just can’t forgive this time. There is NO PROGRESS, it’s a fact. Winning in the NFL is no longer a long term project. A few examples – two years ago the Dolphins were terrible, 1-15 I think – The next year with a new coach and GM and they win their division. The Falcons, were a disgrace and in complete shambles. Their franchise QB went to jail and their coach quit in mid-season, they were a joke. The new regime drafts a QB, signs a RB and boom, next year they are in the playoffs. They did what it takes. Detroit? 0-16 for crying out loud – now I am not saying they are turned around, but they are showing more life than we are.

The most painful example is the damned Denver Broncos. 5-0 are you kidding me? OK, they were 8-8 last year, not terrible but the defense was a joke. I have been doing some painful research. Denver has 35 new players on the roster, 8 new starters on defense. A new D coordinator and a switch from 4-3 to 3-4. They even lost a franchise QB! They went from the 30th rated defense to the #1 rated D. We went from 32 to 32. We are too timid. We waited too long to sign Pioli and he acted too slowly– we were so consumed with secrecy and wouldn’t let anyone know who we were talking to. Hey look at us we are a complete embarrassment but we can keep a secret! Meanwhile we missed on McDaniels as coach. We missed on Nolan and Capers as D-coordinators. We were the last to sign a head coach and the cupboard was bare. We hired a D-coordinator that was FIRED from a superbowl team, hey, ever heard of Greg Robinson? That worked out well too. The veteran leadership we brought in includes Zach Thomas and Bobby Ingram – one didn’t even make the roster and the other doesn’t even dress on Sunday. We did not bring in Brian Dawkins, Jabbar Gaffney (ex New Englander) a host of other non big-ticket FA’s that could have helped. There are about 8 moderately priced FA’s contributing in Denver. We are complete amateurs starting with Hunt junior and Pioli.

It hurts to say but Denver kicked our butts again. They did a compete rebuild in one year and are having success. We are on our second rebuild and going backwards. We are Denver lite. This two or three year’s talk is complete BS. I am tired of being embarrassed. I am tired of the losing. I am tired of not even having a chance. I am giving up my tickets until I see SOMETHING, ANYTHING positive. If I don’t see it soon I will go the dark side and buy an Elway jersey, stay at home and root for an organization that knows what the heck it is doing.

Disgusted in KC
Old Chief

by OldChief on Oct 15, 2009 4:30 PM CDT reply actions  

Not to take away anything from the Donkeys...

but they started strong last season too and barley won 8 games.

Just sayin.

by Spiderwomn69 on Oct 15, 2009 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

grain's contribution to Denver aside

I’m with the OC. Herm sitting on his useless lame duck ass in the office for almost a month was unforgivable and we’re paying for it now. Barring a major free agency signing, the current regime needs fired if they don’t go O-Line in the 1st round and two others next draft, along with canning Clancy. Playing for turnovers is great and all, but call me old fashioned. I’d rather my team be able to tackle and not make Miles GD Austin look like a future Hall of Famer.

Because he ain’t, kids.

by ExtraMetal on Oct 15, 2009 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1

Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.

by UCrawford on Oct 15, 2009 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

agreed!!

everyone’s down on Haley, and I know he hired him, but Pendergast is a terrible DC. He couldn’t do it on a superbowl team, how’s he gonna get it done on a 2-14 team?! I hated that signing from the start; like Haley for HC and OC, but we waited even longer to sign a DC and the cupboards were certainly bare!

by E.C. on Oct 15, 2009 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

And how does this tie to Herm? His teams were competitive last year, yes?

by T-Rich on Oct 16, 2009 2:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

because

If we were gonna fire Herm (and we were, apparently), we should have done it immediately instead of waiting for every HC/OC/DC candidate to get hired before we got it together.

I thought EC made that pretty clear.

by ExtraMetal on Oct 16, 2009 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

what the heck

Hey, what happened to the other replies?

by OldChief on Oct 15, 2009 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

I Deleted A Couple Of Them For Personal Attacks

And issued a couple of warnings. Heading off a flame war that I saw pending.

Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.

by UCrawford on Oct 15, 2009 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

THIS WOULD BE AN ASTRONOMIALLY STUPID ASS TRADE. BOWE IS THE BEST RECIEVER THAT WE HAVE HAD FOR A LONG TIME. IF WE HAD SOMEONE GOOD ON THE OTHER SIDE, HE WOULD HAVE BETTER NUMBERS. I AM TIRED OF PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT TRADING BOWE.

by kcrules on Oct 15, 2009 4:35 PM CDT reply actions  

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by Patrick Allen on Oct 15, 2009 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

He could...

be potentially, depending on how long he plays for us, the most accomplished Chiefs WR of all time.

by I_Bleed_Red. on Oct 15, 2009 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry I wasn’t shouting. I just hate the trade Bowe crap

by kcrules on Oct 15, 2009 4:37 PM CDT reply actions  

Understandable

But all caps is a no-go in pretty much any situation here. :)

Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.

by UCrawford on Oct 15, 2009 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Unless you are teasing someone who just used caps lock

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by Patrick Allen on Oct 15, 2009 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes

Well of course that. :)

Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.

by UCrawford on Oct 15, 2009 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Also

Keep in mind that it’s just speculation…they’re not reporting it as pending.

Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.

by UCrawford on Oct 15, 2009 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's what makes the report even worse

As pointed out above (I think by you) how are any of these trades anything but one sided? Does Schefter understand that most GMs don’t stick around long if they are on the wrong side of one of these? Not only is this stupid because of someone like Schefter trying to stir the pot with “fantasy trades”, but the trades are incredibly stupid ones for one side. He’s really fallen off since going to ESPN.

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by Big Chief on Oct 15, 2009 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yup

Completely agree. The Peppers trade was the only one that remotely made sense.

Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.

by UCrawford on Oct 15, 2009 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think the Peppers trade makes any sense for the 49ers

You’d have to believe that Peppers can be made to play up to his salary. I have a great deal of respect for Singletary, and I liked Peppers when he was an NC Basketball player, but he’s the ultimate yo-yo player. Tons of potential, 2 ounces of interest and effort. Otherwise teams would have been a lot more aggressive when he was on the market. It would certainly be a tremendous boon for the Panthers to lose his salary and inconsistent play and get a 1st rounder for it.

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by Big Chief on Oct 15, 2009 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Valid Points

Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.

by UCrawford on Oct 15, 2009 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

if this happens i am done!!! but it NEVER will..only a second and a 5th. they are high. dwayne bowe has performed up to his first round potential so far and in my opinion is on the way to becoming one of the best

by dwill_pittst on Oct 15, 2009 4:39 PM CDT reply actions  

Agreed

A lot of fans tend to overrate Chiefs’ players, but Bowe has performed well enough to merit a first-rounder over his three year career. Anything less than that and the Chiefs would have gotten ripped off.

Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.

by UCrawford on Oct 15, 2009 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

UC

Do you think we should have gotten a 1 and a 2 or even two 1’s for Allen?

Didn’t Denver get 2 1’s for Cutler? I know he is a QB but JA is the QB of that D. He basically won the Packer game for them by himself.

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by Patrick Allen on Oct 15, 2009 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

I Think In Terms Of Draft Picks

That we got an okay return, but a 1 and a 2 wouldn’t have been overpaying on the Vikings’ part. Now if you were to ask me how well I thought we did with those picks…

Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.

by UCrawford on Oct 15, 2009 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

I Think Two 1s Would Have Been Pretty Generous

QBs of Cutler’s perceived potential are simply the most valuable assets in the trade market. That’s why you rarely see them traded.

Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.

by UCrawford on Oct 15, 2009 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Do you think...

Ayers, Alphonso Smith, Kyle Orton, and Richard Quinn will be looked at as Denver getting equal, worse, or better compensation. I think Chicago got a 5th rounder that ended up being a WR they are high on.

by I_Bleed_Red. on Oct 15, 2009 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

You would say you dont know...

Because they have only been in the league for a year and a half

by darwithabar on Oct 15, 2009 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know you didn't ask me, but I will give my $0.02 anyways

You don’t trade the best young defender in the league for anything (Except maybe that Ricky Williams for the entire draft trade). IMO, that trade has spiraled down to the clusterfuck that is the Chiefs now.

Week 6 Prediction:
Kansas City Chiefs 77 - Washington Redskins 2

by craig in calgary on Oct 15, 2009 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

I Wasn't Unhappy With The Picks We Got

But I was unhappy with how we used those picks. DaJuan Morgan was a horrible draft pick…especially when there were talented o-linemen still on the board (Anthony Collins, Jeremy Zuttah) And while I like Branden Albert’s long-term potential, we could have had Clady with the #5 pick without losing Allen. And so long as the Chiefs kept franchising Allen (because after all, who else would they be franchising for the next couple of years) he would have been worth a top five salary for that position.

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Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.

by UCrawford on Oct 15, 2009 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Imagine if...

we had drafted Morgan still instead of Cottam and taken Zuttah. Then, we could of got Collins in the 4th round. Our right side of the line would be fixed. And we would still have a decent 3 TE core on our roster. Ryan, Pope, and O’Connell (project).

by I_Bleed_Red. on Oct 15, 2009 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

And paid...

Jason Brown in FA. Also, we could of got Josh Morgan who is in SF right now over B Rich. Man, one you can at least know is Pioli will draft better than Peterson. His only genius pick was Allen in the 4th round. Damn, what could have been.

by I_Bleed_Red. on Oct 15, 2009 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

I Don't Know About That

So far the Chiefs draft of 2009 is looking like Jackson, Succop and a bunch of guys who would not be playing much on a good team. The Washington pick looks pretty terrible, in fact.

Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.

by UCrawford on Oct 15, 2009 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

lots of "developmental" guys

that works on an established team that has starters in place…

it makes it difficult on a team like KC that could have started 3 or 4 more guys from the draft class, had they drafted differently.

I won’t be upset if those guys develop by next year… but if they don’t… then, it wasn’t a great draft.

too early to tell

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Oct 15, 2009 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

It’s been 5 games and we’re already calling them a bust? Wow.

by T-Rich on Oct 16, 2009 2:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Again my bad! I will stick by my Chiefs no matter what! But all the trade stuff all the time. And this isn’t the first time there has be speculation on trading Bowe.

by kcrules on Oct 15, 2009 4:41 PM CDT reply actions  

Well

Now that Tony G is gone, he’s pretty much our only high-value tradeable asset. Nobody’s giving up much for anyone else on this roster.

Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.

by UCrawford on Oct 15, 2009 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think it’s awesome that he thinks we could get a 2nd and 5th out of DBowe and the old man TO would only get a 4th.

by JComp11 on Oct 15, 2009 4:42 PM CDT reply actions  

Is this guy on drugs?

KC has one impact receiver. It needs a second impact receiver either from the draft or free agency next year, not zero.

This guy needs a few solid punches to the head.

Sorry, but I’m angry.

by jcru on Oct 15, 2009 4:42 PM CDT reply actions  

Please, please, please read the post. It was fantasy trades. And I’m guessing it was from the Raven’s perspective more than the Chiefs. Don’t get angry about make believe trades, because that doesn’t make sense.

by T-Rich on Oct 16, 2009 2:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

I am frustrated like all of you guys. When we do finally win a game, I hope we beat the living crap out of who ever it is we are playing. And that is what I am saying. If we had another threat on the other side, bowe would be open more.

by kcrules on Oct 15, 2009 4:44 PM CDT reply actions  

YEAH!

I’m getting pumped up. Beat the skins on the road. Rip somebody’s head off.

Road Warriors, babeh

by jcru on Oct 15, 2009 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Right there with you jcru!!!!!!!

by kcrules on Oct 15, 2009 4:46 PM CDT reply actions  

It feel like we havent won for ever. I don’t remember what it was like. How about you guys?

by kcrules on Oct 15, 2009 4:47 PM CDT reply actions  

That I Would Be Happy With

Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.

by UCrawford on Oct 15, 2009 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

If the Chiefs traded Bowe, I would seriously consider not watching them for a while

Not because I’m this huge Dwayne Bowe fan, but because it would confirm that Pioli is only out to build his own legacy and doesn’t really care about the team.

I’m not real interested in seeing that.

Hopefully thats not the case though.

by ChiefDJ on Oct 15, 2009 4:48 PM CDT reply actions  

What Would Be The Point In Watching

They’d be a virtual lock for 2-14 or worse. And have a good shot at 0-16.

And if Haley goes 0-16…his screaming fraud ass had better be out on the street by the time the first new coaches start getting hired. Nobody deserves to survive 0-16 in the NFL. Nobody.

Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.

by UCrawford on Oct 15, 2009 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

ESPECIALLY

After he called out the previous regime with his rediculous “22 guys off the street” comment.

Week 6 Prediction:
Kansas City Chiefs 77 - Washington Redskins 2

by craig in calgary on Oct 15, 2009 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

I still don't believe Haley said that

but I do agree about 0-16. That shouldn’t happen with any team. Nor do I think he’s a fraud.

Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read. - Groucho Marx

by Big Chief on Oct 15, 2009 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

I Should Have Stated More Clearly

The “fraud” label is only applicable if he goes 0-16. :)

Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.

by UCrawford on Oct 15, 2009 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

I still say...

we win 5 games this year. Skins, Browns, Bills, Raiders, and split with the Broncos.

by I_Bleed_Red. on Oct 15, 2009 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

I Doubt They'll Trade Him For Less Than A First, Though

It just makes no sense from any perspective for this team.

Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.

by UCrawford on Oct 15, 2009 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

The draft is a crapshoot

Why would you even consider trading a rising star in the hopes of MAYBE getting lucky and getting one in the draft?

Makes absoultely no sense. You don’t trade star players (or soon to be star players) for just no reason.

by ChiefDJ on Oct 15, 2009 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not Unless You Get A Guaranteed Starter In Return

That’s how teams get hosed…both in the short and long-term.

Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.

by UCrawford on Oct 15, 2009 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

And there are no guarantees in the draft

It would be different if it was a situation like Jared Allen where he was in contract year and he was refusing to resign with the team. I know the Allen situation was due to Peterson, but if things deteriorate to that point its better to get something rather than nothing.

But this would be Pioli trading a guy with superstar potential (1000 yd seasons his first two years in the league isn’t too shabby) that Pioli would be trading JUST BECAUSE he wants credit for his own guy.

I sincerely hope thats not how Pioli operates, but the fear gnaws at the back of my mind.

by ChiefDJ on Oct 15, 2009 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm Less Worried That's How Pioli Operates In Regards To Bowe

Than I am that’s how Haley operates.

Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.

by UCrawford on Oct 15, 2009 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed! I just couldn’t see trading Bowe. Wouldn’t make sense at all.

by kcrules on Oct 15, 2009 4:50 PM CDT reply actions  

I just threw up in my mouth a little bit

I can’t hear any more of this trading and cutting of players. I need stability in my football life. I cant bear to see us go 0-7. Do I dare watch the next 2 games? why do I even subject myself to the thought of us having a chance? In response to trades, I would be all for trading down from our top 5 spot and acquiring another late first or early second. I have already started looking at the draft next year and it is mid-october. I thought we’d be 2-3 at this point. 3-4 at the bye.

David Janssen
KC Chiefs Fan

by Mr J on Oct 15, 2009 4:53 PM CDT reply actions  

Would we take TO?

Haley has a history with him, no?

He and Cassel would end up killing each other in the end, with one of them up for murder charges, but it would be entertaining and fun…

… for a while.

by jcru on Oct 15, 2009 4:54 PM CDT reply actions  

No

And what would be the point? The Chiefs are rebuilding…they don’t need an unhinged prima donna with declining skills.

Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.

by UCrawford on Oct 15, 2009 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nice summary

Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read. - Groucho Marx

by Big Chief on Oct 15, 2009 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

No

Haley’s history with T.O. was one in which he said that the Cowboys wouldn’t win with T.O. playing for them. I doubt he’s changed his mind after seeing Owens’ terrible production this year.

Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.

by UCrawford on Oct 15, 2009 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ah, I didn't know what the history was.

I will say that Marshall was beginning to be painted as a T.O., and he’s really turned it around.

That’s the prototype (body) that the Chiefs need, like those two. I’m hoping that the Chiefs get somebody better than Bowe, and that Bowe becomes the number 2 Wideout.

by jcru on Oct 15, 2009 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

yep, Marshall's turned it around

hasn’t been arrested since this summer.

by ExtraMetal on Oct 15, 2009 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

I just about cried when we traded TG. And I love Bowe. I think he has been possibly the best draft pick we have gotten in a long time. It would just blow my mind to see Chiefs trade Dwayne Bowe to -—————- for a whatever.

by kcrules on Oct 15, 2009 4:54 PM CDT reply actions  

Is LJ tradable?

Get a 5th for lj. That would give us 3 of them. Turn 2 of them into a 4th. Where’s that application for the Chiefs? I need to fill that sh*t out. i know my stuff. I can block too.

David Janssen
KC Chiefs Fan

by Mr J on Oct 15, 2009 4:56 PM CDT reply actions  

LJ has done nothing for two years

I can’t see anyone trading anything for him.

by ChiefDJ on Oct 15, 2009 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

He hasnt done anything for us with a poor line.

Picture him on a winner. Very servicable for a 5th? Dont see a team needing an rb at this point and with only 5 days remaining until deadline…

David Janssen
KC Chiefs Fan

by Mr J on Oct 15, 2009 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

The thing is that no team KNOWS what he can do on a good team

He had a couple fantastic years and then fell off the face of the earth when he got his contract.

You and I know that the offensive line is horrible and has contributed a lot to that, but all outsiders are going to see is a guy that got paid and started cashing it in.

Combine that with all the good running backs that can be picked up throughout the draft, there simply is no reason to pick up a 30 year old malcontent.

by ChiefDJ on Oct 15, 2009 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Actually, most GMs and coaches actually watch the games. They don’t look at the boxscores and assume he had 36 yards because he already got paid….

by T-Rich on Oct 16, 2009 2:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Don’t want T.O. here! He is an ass, and always has been. And he didn’t win anybody a ring anywhere else.

by kcrules on Oct 15, 2009 4:56 PM CDT reply actions  

We should just trade away every single player on our roster for a draft pick next year

then Haley can literally play with guys off the street this year and Pioli can draft an entire team of his own next year.

It's a good thing Pioli and Haley aren't running AP or a lot of you guys would of been traded or cut for cast offs from the Pats Pulpit.

by KCporkchop on Oct 15, 2009 4:58 PM CDT reply actions  

If That Happened

Then we’d be a lock to win two games!!! :) (/sarcasm)

Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.

by UCrawford on Oct 15, 2009 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

KEEP HIM

this is an offense built around its receivers similar to both new England and Arizona. Why would we give away our best receiver who also happens to be very young.

by Bearson on Oct 15, 2009 5:26 PM CDT reply actions  

Offense built around its receivers????

Is that why Haley insists on running LJ up Niswangers butt 2 out of 3 downs on every drive?

by ChiefDJ on Oct 15, 2009 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Schefter is turning into a typical ESPN quack...

Ive lost respect for him and his integrity since joining espn and his reporting has gone down the drain. At NFL.com he was the fact guy, the end all be all in league knowledge and now he’s stooping to all new lows. Even if there was a deal its at least a first for a guy that is only 24 and has 2000+ yards in two seasons of work.

"Success is never ending, failure is never final."

by GenericBrand on Oct 15, 2009 5:32 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Adam Schefter is CRAZY!

He is crazy just thinking of that. Dwayne Bowe will be a star in the future.

by Nick Taylor on Oct 15, 2009 5:40 PM CDT reply actions  

the thing i love is

how he said this was a trade that makes sense. this trade makes only sense for Bal but not for us. i’m not talking probability, as it’s not likely, but that this trade would hurt us not help us so there it makes absolutely no sense. he’s just talking out his ass just to have something to talk about.

by Leaf on Oct 15, 2009 6:07 PM CDT reply actions  

Well if it's all about fantasy trades...

I propose we trade with the Donkeys.

Ryan Clady & Eddie Royal for one of our second round picks and a snickers.

by Spiderwomn69 on Oct 15, 2009 6:41 PM CDT reply actions  

If we're going to trade Bowe

I’d rather it was with Jerry Jones and Cowboys. If he’s willing to give up a 1st and 3rd for a never was like Williams (or more correctly, never was except for one fluke season), he must view someone like Bowe who has been a standout on a bad team as being worth at least two 1sts. We could probably get a new O lineman, too.

Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read. - Groucho Marx

by Big Chief on Oct 15, 2009 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

I Doubt He'll Make That Mistake Again

Not after getting made to look the fool by Williams’ production. Also, I suspect that Miles Austin and Sam Hurd are going to be more heavily involved in the offense…and that big trades are going to be put on hold for the Cowboys this year until Jones gets a new coaching staff in place (I think Garrett’s gone along with Phillips…he should have taken the Ravens job).

Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.

by UCrawford on Oct 15, 2009 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

LOL if they trade Bowe, we will never win a game again.

Bowe and Wade FTW.
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.

by NJChieffan16 on Oct 15, 2009 8:04 PM CDT reply actions  

Why?

Seriously? Why would you trade your best WR. He is a good WR… picks are gambles.. Bowe we know is good. Horrible idea.

by SwimCoach on Oct 15, 2009 9:49 PM CDT reply actions  

Correction

Bowe is not Cassel’s #1 target, Sean Ryan is. However, Bowe is by far one of the best WR’s we have had since Stephon Paige or Carlos Carson.

by kcchiefdan on Oct 15, 2009 10:23 PM CDT reply actions  

Vast over-reaction

I don’t know if some of you guys are just Wildcat fans that have been tired of having NO teams in the area that are winning, but some people need to give this thing some time.

For every franchise that makes a quick turnaround (and it’s way too early to tell on Denver, how many quick starts have faltered), a handful more take a year or two to get the right personnel, especially for drastic system changes.

Also, on top of having the picks accumulated for next year’s draft, there’s plenty of money available as has been well documented on this blog/site. $36 million is it still?

Provided that the big names hold their own and develop into what Scott Pioli believes that they will, if the team is able to patch up the LB core and acquire some guys that can rush the passer along with another S and depth at CB, the defense can be good. On the other side, with some drafting and patchwork potentially done through FA, Cassel and Bowe are great pieces to start with at the skill position. TE is something that can usually be addressed in the middle rounds, and WRs can be had if not drafted. Drafting capable OL and LBs will likely be what the team’s success hinges on for the next year or two.

The Detroit Lions this team is not. I’ve been planted here watching the Ford family and the Matt Millen shipwreck since moving from Kansas City, and all fans who experienced what I’ve seen would be very appreciative to know what it’s like to see your team mishandled like the Lions have been. Or, you could have looked across the parking lot for quite a while, whichever suits you.

As far as Bowe is concerned, to strip down the team solely for picks isn’t always a good idea. What kind of progress can Cassel, who hasn’t had a great deal of experience, gain by having absolutely no semblance of an offense? At least Bowe can or would be a legitimate target on a winning team. Not to mention, you don’t want a hopeless losing environment like the Browns are dealing with. To take anything less than a 1st Round pick for Bowe would be a mistake.

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by Bryan Everson (The Royalty of Roto) on Oct 16, 2009 3:04 AM CDT reply actions  

Even trading him straight up for a 1st would be dumb and pioli wouldnt do it...

They just spent a 1st on him 3 years ago and he is proven. You wouldnt trade him for an unproven draft pick. It wont happen unless there are a couple Picks, not just a 1st. More like a 1st and a 3rd.

by darwithabar on Oct 17, 2009 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

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