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Chiefs Coach Likes Where Glenn Dorsey is Headed

Philadelphia Eagles quarterback Michael Vick (7) passes under pressure from Kansas City Chiefs linebacker Corey Mays (51), defensive end Tamba Hali (91) and defensive tackle Glenn Dorsey (72) in the first quarter of an NFL football game, Sunday, Sept. 27, 2009, in Philadelphia. (AP Photo/Matt Slocum)

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about 1 month ago: Philadelphia Eagles quarterback Michael Vick (7) passes under pressure from Kansas City Chiefs linebacker Corey Mays (51), defensive end Tamba Hali (91) and defensive tackle Glenn Dorsey (72) in the first quarter of an NFL football game, Sunday, Sept. 27, 2009, in Philadelphia. (AP Photo/Matt Slocum)

Kansas City Chiefs head coach Todd Haley spoke with the media this afternoon following the team's practice in preparation for the Washington Redskins.

The hot topic outside of the locker room is the status of defensive end Glenn Dorsey.  Jason LaCanfora of NFL Network started the local firestorm when he reported last night that the coaching staff is not high on Dorsey and that multiple personnel folks around the league could be interested in his services prior to next Tuesday's trade deadline.

There are a couple of sides to this that I've seen arise, which I'll address after the jump, along with quotes from Haley on Mr. Dorsey.

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One side says, simply, that he doesn't fit and there's no use trying to plug a square peg into a round hole.  Take what you can get for him now and be done with it.  The other side says Dorsey has made improvements and, considering his status as the "can't miss" lineman of the '08 draft, it wouldn't make much sense for the Chiefs to part ways with him 21 games into his NFL career. Plus, what kind of offer would it take to get the fifth overall pick 18 months into his NFL career?

Josh Looney of KCChiefs.com raised a good point this morning when he speculated whether LaCanfora's information is outdated considering the criticisms of Dorsey have quieted in recent weeks.

Looney makes a solid point because the biggest issue the coaching staff reportedly had with Dorsey was showing up to camp "so poor that his body and his frame wasn't able to handle that weight."

"It’s been a long road," Haley said, "and Glenn has got himself in condition now. He’s at the weight we assigned to him which probably looked like an impossibility back in the spring. I think that’s starting to pay dividends for him."

More evidence that the coaching staff is coming around comes from Haley including Dorsey in the "right 53" group.

"Glenn, to me," he said, "has bought in with how he’s worked and fought to get to where he needs to be."

As for the side that says Dorsey simply isn't a fit, skill-wise or body-wise, to be a 3-4 defensive end?

"He can be a very disruptive player up front," Haley began when asked about Dorsey's potential. "He’s got very good quickness and explosion where he needs to be and he can play with the intensity he needs to play with. That’s the biggest thing.

"He’s very strong," Haley continued. "He’s not necessarily the dimensions when you think of defensive linemen, particularly the technique he’s playing."

Haley spoke much longer when asked about Dorsey than any other subject today.  You can decide what that means.

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keep Dorsey

new position and scheme. Let the man play at least for a full year and then decide in the off season if you are going to keep him. La Canfora (sp) is an ass, never liked him never will. NFLN should have never let Adam go, so much better than Jason. We all knew this was going to be a trial and error year so let’s find “our 53”

by nurthys on Oct 14, 2009 5:01 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Please do not trade!!!

If he is traded we must sell high…. the guy has been playin out his mind past couple weeks

by rockchalks7 on Oct 14, 2009 5:02 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Those 3 guys in the photo

Along with T.Jackson, Flowers, and Vrabel, form the nucleus of what will become a very good defense.

There is no way you trade Dorsey. No freakin way. period

by jcru on Oct 14, 2009 5:11 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Very good defense?

While I like to be optimistic as well, our defense is very far from being very good. Do they show sparks? Sure. But they are about 2 years and 4 or 5 players from being even a top 10 group.

by Chiefsovermywife on Oct 14, 2009 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

"will become"

Agreed, the Chiefs have their issues on defense…

but jcru said they are the nucleus of what WILL BECOME a very good defense, and I totally agree with him

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Oct 14, 2009 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

dont trade

To big if a cap hit, plus he might need some time to figure out the new position.

Cry Havoc! And let slip the Chiefs Defense of War!!!

by nateforchiefs on Oct 14, 2009 5:36 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I just hope it's the "Todd Haley Kiss of Death" for the guy

time will tell

Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!

by upamtn on Oct 14, 2009 5:46 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

They won't get enough if they trade him

…unless the Raiders offer us the moon (which I’m sure is in the works)

by Screamer on Oct 14, 2009 5:57 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

call me crazy but this would be the biggest deal in chief history

if he comes at the right price i dont see why we do not make a trade . I mean i look at it this way if glen is out . what are we going to do go to last place . we havent won a game. and the last time i checked hes no jared allen. But either way if we make a move and it pans out we get a nasty nose tackle or a up and coming d end wow it would make such a difference in the long run i say do what we have to do for the future glen is not the future in my opinion.

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by sexassassin on Oct 14, 2009 6:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

He is an up and coming DE..

It wouldnt be worth it unless we get multiple picks like a 1st and a 3rd

by darwithabar on Oct 14, 2009 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is Dorsey really playing that good

or is this just a case of – Somebody has to make the tackle. I guess another way of putting it would be: If Dorsey wasn’t playing and we had Gilbery (or insert player of your choice) starting in his place…would we be about how good Gilbery is? Are our standards so low at this point that Dorsey looks good?

by vincent2668 on Oct 14, 2009 7:51 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

He is on pace to get more tackles then Richard Seymour did in his 1st year...

I think the real case is people expected Dorsey to get a whole bunch of sacks. (Not knowledgable football fans but some did) He is doing better then Albert Haynesworth, Warren Sapp, and other GREATS did in their 1st 2 seasons. Im not saying Dorsey will be a HOFer but he will be a bad ass. As to him “Fitting” in the 3-4, He is doing better in the 3-4 then he ever did in the 4-3(Maybe thats why Scouts predicted his best posistion as a 3-4 DE) He already has half as many Solo Tackles as he did last year. So What I would ask you is “What has he been doing wrong?”

by darwithabar on Oct 14, 2009 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

As I said above. I didn't mean make my post for argument sake

I just find it hard to look at stats alone when playing on a talent starved D-fense. I played on a small highscool football team and made tons of takles. But, it wasn’t because I was that good. It was just because there was nobody around me much better, so it made me stand out.
So if this defense gets to the top level they want. Can he still be a starting piece of that puzzle. Or does his position need to be improved to get there.

by vincent2668 on Oct 14, 2009 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

if this defense becomes a monster defense it will likely be because of him...

I know you werent trying to argue, Sorry if my post seem like I was. I can see what your saying, That daniel guy is the one providing nothing. I think it sucks when some chiefs fans(Not You) down talk him when he hasnt done anything wrong.

by darwithabar on Oct 14, 2009 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree - his spot is probaly the least of your worries right now

There are tons of other holes in this defense that need addressed before his. (If his at all). I would love to see what TJ and Dorsey would look like if you had a stud NT playing in the middle with them.

by vincent2668 on Oct 14, 2009 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Scouts...

predicted his best position as a 3-4 end? Listen, I love Dorsey. But, to me he is that Tommie Harris, Warren Sapp type. The short, stout, and quick 3 technique in a 4-3. He is barely 6’0" tall and his wing span isn’t that big. I think if we can get good value we should take it. It would be better for him and us. I think he is going to be a player as well. I agree that people say he is a bust are unintelligent football fans.

by I_Bleed_Red. on Oct 15, 2009 12:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry to break it to you guys...

But we have an offensive minded head coach, and Clancy penedgrast’s defense has never been that good….Im from Phoenix and watched both of them closely the last couple yrs. Arizonas defense played well throughout the playoffs last yr and that was it….They won games because they had a prolific offense that just plain outscored other teams…but they were lucky to make it to the playoffs in the first place..9-7 record…In fact, Clancy was let go because of the defense he called in the last two minutes of the SB that allowed the Steelers to score the go ahead touchdown…So regardless of the players we bring in or who we already have, this defense with Clancy the Clown leading it, will never be great. He might get them to be middle of the row good, but never great. His scheme is not that good…Hell he cant even decide whether to run a 3-4 or a 4-3….Dorsey is a good young player, he has had to change schemes, had two different coaching staffs in two yrs, and has not a lot of talent around him….Its getting better but, we are nowhere near where we should be..I dont see Clancy as the DC next yr…I think he was hired because we got a late start in hiring coaches because we had to wait for Haley to finish their SB run, and then after his hire there was not much to choose from and so we went with Clancy because he was available and Haley was familiar with his system since they were together in AZ…..We are in a rebuilding yr, its not gonna be pretty…Pioli needs a yr to evaluate, get his own players in here and be able to wheel and deal.

by KCinAZ on Oct 14, 2009 10:42 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

Pendergast is better than what we had and will never be the ONE to take us where we want to go. A Stopgap but again better than what we had, next year we will have someone that we have fully vetted to run the 3-4 that Pioli wants to run. The strange part of that statement is Haley probably has little say on the D we run?

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by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 14, 2009 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd be sick if they traded Glenn

Unless we got something totally ridiculous like two 1st rounders I would be against the deal. I think Glenn may end up becoming a phenomenal 3-4 DE and it would be sickening to see him playing for another team, especially since we are in so need of a defensive playmaker.

It is often stated that football is won in the trenches and I think by late next year we will have a truly dominating D-line. Just like a awesome O-line can mask an otherwise mediocre offensive cough Denver an awesome D-line can help mask an otherwise mediocre defense.

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by Scaryclouds on Oct 14, 2009 10:59 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Trade? That is senseless

Dorsey is going to become an impact player. Just give him a couple of years. It sounds like the “traders” are thinking that it is better to trade a solid performer that is just now coming into his potential, for an unknown rookie that once again needs to go through a one or two year development.

He has only scratched the potential he has, and I believe that he will be rank in the top 10 at his position within the next two to three years. Just about the time we should be running for the SB.

by TXChiefan on Oct 14, 2009 11:31 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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