LaCanfora: League Execs Feel Chiefs' Dorsey, DJ Are Available
by Joel Thorman on Oct 13, 2009 9:22 PM CDT
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The last 48 hours have seen more and more talks in the media of a possible change of scenery for Kansas City Chiefs linebacker Derrick Johnson. For many, the rumors heated up on Monday when head coach Todd Haley declined to discuss DJ's absence in the starting line-up, instead praising his replacement, Demorrio Williams.
Chiefs GM Scott Pioli has gone on record to say that he has not had any trade conversations involving Derrick Johnson, nor has anyone approached him about that.
Even though Pioli hasn't had those conversations doesn't mean they're not taking place somewhere in the league. Jason LaCanfora of NFL Network, citing multiple personnel folks around the league, reports that a deal could get done....for the right price.
"Another Chief to keep your eye on is linebacker Derrick Johnson," he said. "He hasn't been playing much this season and there's a sense among personnel people that if you threw the right deal at Scott Pioli he might make a move."
Well, isn't that true for just about any Chief, save maybe Matt Cassel and Tyson Jackson?
More from LaCanfora on Glenn Dorsey trade rumors after the jump.
LaCanfora also relayed the feelings of a few personnel people around the league in regards to Glenn Dorsey, who of course was the subject of many trade rumors prior to the draft last April. We're still trying to track down exactly what the cap hit would be, but for now, we can safely assume the Chiefs have the room to make a move (if they were willing to pay the real money to a guy not on the team).
"There are teams that are going to be looking to make a move," LaCanfora reports. "The cap ramifications would not be that huge."
Despite what's been pointed at in this space as positive steps for Dorsey over the last month, LaCanfora continues to report he's "heard from numerous league sources that the coaching staff is not very high on Glenn Dorsey."
Until I get my hands on the exact cap hit if he were traded, and the names of teams that might be interested, I'm going to hold off on my opinion of these situations. But that doesn't mean the speculation stops - possible destination for Dorsey?
"San Diego is a team," LaCanfora says, "[Chargers GM] A.J. Smith is on the prowl for defensive tackles but I'm not sure you'd see a move in the division there."
Speaking of the Chargers, there's also a sense amongst some league execs that Shawne Merriman can also be had for the right price. Per LaCanfora, a long-term extension anytime soon would be shocking.
"There's definitely some personnel people out there who feel like if you have a real interest in Shawne Merriman, he's by no means untouchable and there's potential to work something out."
Even though he's their best defensive player?
"Well, he was in the past."
Touche, Mr. LaCanfora.
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Not sure why
But a second rounder for Dorsey strikes me as high. 3rd rounder perhaps?
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by Chris Thorman on Oct 13, 2009 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I think its crazy
That one year a guy is worth a top 5 overall pick and a year later we’d be happy passing him off for a 3rd rounder.
I know real players are typically worth less than draft picks for some strange reason, but Dorsey plays a position that we have documented many times that often doesn’t develop until the 3rd or 4th season.
Basically we will be paying him big money to develop and then pass him off to another team to reap the fruitages.
I know he doesn’t fit the scheme. Just really annoys me that there is such a disregard for players that were here before Pioli and Haley arrived.
And I don't see pioli taking
a 2nd or a 3rd for a guy that was a top 5 pick one year ago, regardless of how they feel about him. It seems like to much of a loss for a GM like Pioli to swallow.
by Fourstrike89 on Oct 13, 2009 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Agree with you DJ
talk of Dorsey is someone talking for the sake of talking.
Dorsey may not exactly fit but he shouldn’t be traded for a crap 2-3 pick
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
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by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 13, 2009 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions
seems like a disregard for a lot of things from before Pioli & Haley arrived ...
… and Lamar would be very unhappy if this had gone on while he was alive … well, it simply would NOT have been like this, period
but hey, we shouldn’t question these guys cuz after all, it’s our team right or wrong … right? they have ALL the answers and they are proven winners and …
ahhhhhhh, who am I kidding? I really, really don’t like either of them
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
Well they Ain't stupid!
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
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by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 13, 2009 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions
"Well they Ain't stupid!" ohhhhhhhhh Steve, that's just SO inviting!
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
Well they Ain't stupid!
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 13, 2009 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Are you repeating yourself?:)
We have to run the gauntlet over the next few weeks, we will be better for it. Pioli is not done with the roster, he will improve it. LJ is getting ready to start whining again.
Well they Ain't stupid!
as in Clark, Pioli, and Haley
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
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by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 13, 2009 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions
I've tried to see your side, also apologized, and like your take
At times, 0-5 is a bitch, we need some positives here at least for me and I think a lot of others. Not blind fandom just straight fans is all we are. Fans of some team that is 2 and forever. Pushing buttons aint my thing!
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And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
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by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 13, 2009 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions
here's something positive for ya, Steve ...
this team WILL win a game this year
no clue which one(s) and won’t be many, but sooner or later they WILL win a game or two
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
Lamar let the Chiefs rot for 15 years in the 70's and 80's.
by NFL season ticket holder on Oct 13, 2009 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Well RIP Lamar
This ain’t his team now
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
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by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 13, 2009 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions
So true
Lamar did a lot of great things for football, but once the Chiefs won the Superbowl Lamar checked out. He stepped out of basic team operations and let his GMs run the show. And he didn’t step in unless fan or player revolts forced his hand. God bless him, but I’m hoping Clark isn’t going to copy Lamar’s ownership style. So far it doesn’t look like it.
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I Think Clark's Okay
Some people are frustrated with him, but he’s already done more for this team than his dad did in the last 40 years. He at least fired an underachieving GM. Lamar would have extended Peterson and given him more control. I think Clark Hunt’s actions in running the Chiefs have been both measured and appropriate to the situation. Hopefully he’s provided us with a GM who’s not another Belichick flop (although he certainly wouldn’t be the first to fall into that trap).
Lamar was a good man outside of football, but I’m glad he’s not the owner of this team anymore because he didn’t do a damn thing for the fans for the last 40 years as long as his team was profitable…nor do I think he particularly cared.
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Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
Not only was he worth a top 5 pick
but he was considered the BEST player in the draft.
I agree with you 100% until the last paragraph. I dont see how you can go from being the best player in the draft to a 3rd round pick, playing the toughest position to make the transition from College to the NFL, and only playing 21 games.
I disagree with Dorsey not fitting the scheme. Dorsey has played pretty well through 5 games. Most of us here on AP have given Dorsey ALOT of praise as of late. He’s a 2nd year player in a brand new scheme. And its not like he went from 1 version of the 4-3 to another. He’s in a brand new defense and IMO is playing pretty good for a 2nd year player in a 1st year 3-4 defense.
Why shake up the DL now? We already have Jackson, we’ve barely seen anything at all from Magee, and we’re 1 solid NT and a year or 2 of experience away from having a good DL.
by Petey14 on Oct 13, 2009 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
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We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 13, 2009 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Really our D-line has been fairly decent so far
Unfortunately our linebackers aren’t very good. I think next year, with some upgrades at linebacker, our defense will be flying.
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by Scaryclouds on Oct 13, 2009 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree
I think our DL is doing a good job of closing up gaps. From what I remember, most of the big runs we’ve allowed came on the outside. Barber had a couple of good runs up the middle but its not like our LB’s were getting hit by the OL like last year. We’re taking up blockers but the LB’s are slow to the ball and cant make a tackle.
It doesn't matter what Dorsey does
He will never be as good a 3-4 DE as he could have been a 4-3 DT.
His body type is all wrong for a 3-4 DE. He’s about half a foot too short and 20 lbs overweight.
Haloti Ngata
the RDE from the Ravens..is 6’4, 345lbs
Brett Keisel..the RDE for the Steelers..is 6’5, 285lbs.
Kenny Peterson..the RDE for the Broncos is 6’3, 295lbs
Luis Castillo..the RDE for the Chargers is 6’3, 290lbs
Cullen Jenkins..the RDE for the Packers is 6’2, 305lbs
Randy Starks..the RDE for the Dolphins is 6’3, 305lbs
Igor Olshansky..the RDE for the Cowboys is 6-6, 315lbs
Jarvis Green..the RDE for the Patriots is 6-3, 285lbs
Not sure if Richard Seymour played RDE or not but he is 6’6, 310lbs
Marques Douglas..the RDE for the Jets is 6’2, 290lbs.
Justin Smith..the RDE for the 49ers is 6’4, 285lbs
Darnell Dockett who is now playing RDE for the Cardinals is 6’4, 285lbs.
As you can see, all of these RDE’s who start in the 3-4 defense whether its a hybrid or not, range from a height of 6’2 – 6’6 and a weigh of 285 – 345lbs
Glen Dorsey is 6’1, 297lbs. He’s an inch..1 inch shorter than that range. His weight fits the range just fire. Hes about 3 inches from the average 6’4 height.
Half a foot short and 20lbs overweight is completely off.
If He Doesn't Fit, He Doesn't Fit
Doesn’t really matter where he was drafted last year…if we’re trading Dorsey the Chiefs are quite clearly selling low so they’re not getting equivalent value. Sucks, but hey, that’s just what happens when you decide to scrap your defense despite it being what best fits your personnel.
If they do trade Dorsey and he shines elsewhere I’m going to try to mentally command KC Wolf to punch out Clancy Pendergast on the sideline during a game.
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Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Oct 13, 2009 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I hear the Jedi Mind Trick works best UC
Yeah, let's just keep matriculatin' the ball down the field, boys! ...
by oldchiefsfan on Oct 14, 2009 12:00 AM CDT up reply actions
"This Isn't The D We're Looking For"
POW!!!
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Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
Better yet you could have him blind side tackle him
Yeah, let's just keep matriculatin' the ball down the field, boys! ...
by oldchiefsfan on Oct 14, 2009 12:24 AM CDT up reply actions
"Sweep The Knee"
Honestly, every time I see Pendergast’s face flash on the screen I want to punch my TV. The guy absolutely oozes “loser”.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
I just hope...
we can get at least a 2nd rounder for him. The Falcons were talking about giving up their 1st round and a late draft pick last year. They drafted Jerry Perry, another small and quick 3-technique who doesn’t even come close to Dorsey’s potential. I mean, should we have really gone with a 4-3 scheme based on one player even if he was a top 5 pick? If it happens I just want decent compensation and I really hope he thrives in a scheme that fits him better, unless he plays against us. I think Indy would be the best fit. They are contending and their biggest weakness is run defense.
by I_Bleed_Red. on Oct 14, 2009 12:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Spot on
Get what you can for him now. Unfortunately, no wide receiver or offensive line help appears to be available. If we trade him, I’d rather get some immediate help, because I don’t think we have a replacement ready to go right now, and Magee would be thrust into the role. I’m ok with dealing him, I just don’t see us getting fair value in return.
I really would like to see DJ make it here, but I don’t think it’s going to happen. I think he’ll play really well for some other team.
Wasn’t there rumors before the draft of Atlanta offering their 1st rounder plus another pick for Dorsey? Why didn’t we jump on that?
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
well Now another kettle of fish :)
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
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by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 13, 2009 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Atlanta's 1st round and 4th would be about a 20th pick
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
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by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 13, 2009 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Has anyone made the suggestion that maybe they’re looking to boost Williams’ value somewhat and get something decent out of him? I know teams aren’t as likely to look at him like DJ, but maybe it’s a possibility.
I’m saying is Williams the real one that Pioli wants to trade…..and thus the reason he is getting all the pt.
Demorrio seems sign through 2012
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And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 13, 2009 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions
No way in hell...
you don’t showcase a guy unless he is going to bring in a mid-rounder or better. Williams is worth a 6th at the most and that is generous.
by I_Bleed_Red. on Oct 14, 2009 12:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Left Field
Do you think people are inquiring about DJ and getting shown Williams.
What Bait and switch almost always works
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And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 13, 2009 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions
sounds like something Pioli and Haley would do.
They did it with Thigpen, and even though he went out and stunk it up, they still moved him for a 5th rounder.
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Trade Johnson- Keep Dorsey-- Go Get Merriman
by NFL season ticket holder on Oct 13, 2009 9:44 PM CDT reply actions
Is it just me, or does
Merriman seem to be pretty quiet this season?
by Fourstrike89 on Oct 13, 2009 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Except in the Press coverage
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And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 13, 2009 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Why say anything with your mouth...
…when you can let your fists do the talking.
/Poor taste only if you forget he’s a division rival who mangled the body parts of some of our best players.
//I am a horrible person.
Watching the 2009-2010 Chiefs 12 hours ahead of you (in Taipei, Taiwan).
Twittering my every move. Don't act like you're not even slightly interested.
Yeah Preist's injury
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 13, 2009 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Dude
that is one nasty lookin’ woman
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well does she......
close your eyes
by NFL season ticket holder on Oct 13, 2009 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Two words man
Thin lips
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after being married for 25 years..I will take them...I been in the no lips category for 24 years 11 months LOL!.
by NFL season ticket holder on Oct 13, 2009 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ahahahaha!
Thanks man! I needed that!
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Thin, villainous lips.
Obscure Nip/Tuck reference. Nice.
Quiet. Still better than what we have. Merriman, Hali, and Varbel. Maybe we can cause some a pass rush that would help seconardyavic
by NFL season ticket holder on Oct 13, 2009 9:49 PM CDT reply actions
That would be a sick joke to give Smith Dorsey for a Has been Steroid abusing Merrriman
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 13, 2009 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions
agreed.
looks like it might be “lights out” for merriman. Sorry….. been trying to work that into a conversation all season
by Fourstrike89 on Oct 13, 2009 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions
well played
Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read. - Groucho Marx
It would make my year
to see Cassel throw a TD to Bowe and then do a ridiculous mockery of the “lights out” dance right in merriman’s face. Talk about winning over the fan base
by Fourstrike89 on Oct 13, 2009 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Unfortunately the refs would most likely throw a flag for "Taunting"
Yeah, let's just keep matriculatin' the ball down the field, boys! ...
by oldchiefsfan on Oct 13, 2009 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe not right in his face then.
Just as a celebration dance. All of america would get it
by Fourstrike89 on Oct 13, 2009 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Xactly, now your thinkin' !
Yeah, let's just keep matriculatin' the ball down the field, boys! ...
by oldchiefsfan on Oct 13, 2009 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Lol just make sure we win the game...
The titans RB did that when they played here in SD and he did the lights out dance….they ended up losing that game….
by Wrestler189s on Oct 13, 2009 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions
I feel confident Merriman doesn't fit into the "53 right players" definition.
Toby is in HR, which technically means he works for corporate, so he's really not a part of our family. Also, he's divorced, so he's really not a part of his family.
We need an impact player. Merriman may not work out but is Johnson an impact player?
by NFL season ticket holder on Oct 13, 2009 9:54 PM CDT reply actions
Derrick?
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And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
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by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 13, 2009 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions
70 yard INT return and a sack?
I’d say yes, he is an impact player.
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Oct 14, 2009 4:25 AM CDT up reply actions
DJ's a much better value than Merriman IMO
Merriman’s going to be looking for Jared Allen money and there’s no way he’s worth it.
by Joel Thorman on Oct 13, 2009 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I would definately shy away from Merriman
Yeah, let's just keep matriculatin' the ball down the field, boys! ...
by oldchiefsfan on Oct 13, 2009 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Johnson is a free agent next year. Get what you can now!!
by NFL season ticket holder on Oct 13, 2009 9:55 PM CDT reply actions
The league is going to be uncapped at least next year
Johnson’s contract would still be this year and next.
Makes the equation different
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 13, 2009 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions
? In an uncapped room the contracts are not automatically extended are they?. That makes no sense.
The only thing that changes is how many franchise players teams can designate.
by NFL season ticket holder on Oct 13, 2009 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think that is right, I think in uncapped the just change the years of servitude
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And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
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by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 13, 2009 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions
RFA...
Moves from 4 to 6 years so DJ could be kept around cheaply.
by Joel Thorman on Oct 13, 2009 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Who is going to here in 3 years?
Time to play Battle, Savage, or Charles
by NFL season ticket holder on Oct 13, 2009 9:58 PM CDT reply actions
Hang on to Dorsey.
I would still hang on to Dorsey because he hasn’t been in the 3-4 defense for very long. Just give it some time.
Yep
The man has the wing-span to be a freak. He may not be that tall, but he’s gonna be a good player. Keep him.
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maybe not as tall as Smith but close to same wing-span
And can jump over small LT’s :)
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And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 13, 2009 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Was that week one or two
where he leaped straight up in the air and batted down that pass? It was awesome!
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article I found on a uncapped year.
A general manager told me that the projections for players scheduled to be free agents — if it were a capped year — could be upwards of 170 fewer players if it is uncapped. Every player from the 2005 draft who signed a five-year contract and every player who signed a four-year deal in 2006 would miss out on eligibility for free agency and revert back to their club as a restricted free agent. Keep in mind, teams target this group over all others when it comes to spending the big money in free agenc
by NFL season ticket holder on Oct 13, 2009 10:09 PM CDT reply actions
Okay
So that would make Derrick more likely to be coveted now?
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 13, 2009 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Needs to happen...Let's hope Kolby Smith can give us life in the running game after the break.
by NFL season ticket holder on Oct 13, 2009 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions
I never thought Kolby Smith was much of a back
I think we’re better off with Charles, Savage and Battle to be honest.
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He will be fresh though
year riding the bycicle
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 13, 2009 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Kolby did have a 100+ yard game
when filling in for an injured Larry if I recall. A one time event, or a preview of some talent?
by Fourstrike89 on Oct 13, 2009 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Steve, remember you were kidding about me being back from doing Recon?
After I replied to the post and said I believed that something was going down at Arrowhead One?
Seems like the vibe a few of us got was right.
Yeah, let's just keep matriculatin' the ball down the field, boys! ...
by oldchiefsfan on Oct 13, 2009 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Well spill it I ain't seen the post :)
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 13, 2009 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions
I volunteered you to take a plan over to Arrowhead tommorrow
Just saying :)
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 13, 2009 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions
lol, do I get to wear my ninja outfit?
It was just that a few of us had the “vibe” that something was going down. You know, the peep’s that are one with the Chiefs Universe. OOooohhhmmmmmmm……..
Yeah, let's just keep matriculatin' the ball down the field, boys! ...
by oldchiefsfan on Oct 13, 2009 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I got like 4 hours sleep last night
possibly banned from AP was like getting kicked out of a secret club
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 13, 2009 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Might need to make it happen soon or
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 13, 2009 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Ninja Chief-Cat
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And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
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by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 13, 2009 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions
The Chiefs can not afford to trade anyone. They need to trade picks for players. After the 1st 2 picks--Screw the draft. Get a 4-5 year vet that knows how to play now. play ball now. 5-6
by NFL season ticket holder on Oct 13, 2009 10:19 PM CDT reply actions
Also known as the Snyder system
Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read. - Groucho Marx
We need linemen and 2-4 is where you get linemen. Solid ones are not traded and if they are it’s for high round picks. Pick your own and develop them in your system.
We did get alleman and nduckwe and O'callahan
and we still aren’t sure if we grabbed half an o-line with those three :)
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 13, 2009 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions
The only way the Chiefs are going to get better soon is to get into FA.
They need 2 safeties, 1 more ILB, 1 more OLB, a nickel back on defense. They need to find a RB, WR, as well as a center, and tackle. They have guards. Move Albert to RT and get a LT stud. They have guards but they have them trying to play RT.
by NFL season ticket holder on Oct 13, 2009 10:31 PM CDT reply actions
You just depressed me
with that many needs, I say leave Albert at LT and put the money where the gaps are. I agree with the safties, the nickel and the LB’s bigtime. RB, WR and definately a center.
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
Thats why we need a impact player..
by NFL season ticket holder on Oct 13, 2009 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions
draft mays or berry in the first round an you have your game changer
I’m all for it
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
You mean that third rounder invested
in DaJuan Morgan is not gonna payoff?:)
We have to run the gauntlet over the next few weeks, we will be better for it. Pioli is not done with the roster, he will improve it. LJ is getting ready to start whining again.
D.Morgan for a 2nd available NOW:)
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 13, 2009 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions
The Cap hit on Dorsey shouldn't be that bad
He got $22 million in guarantees in his contract. The signing bonus shouldn’t have been that high due to the rookie cap. My best guess is that the hit should be $6 million or less. We got the room, if there is a good deal than I think it should be taken.
Predictions for 2009:
LJ runs for 1800 yards
Bowe in the pro bowl
Chiefs D finishes in the top 10 in points allowed
Chiefs 10-6
Help me out...
WE pay if we trade him?
by idahochieffan on Oct 13, 2009 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions
It's highly possible that Pioli wasn't asked the correct question.
Instead of the first name Derrick, Should it have been Larry?
Yeah, let's just keep matriculatin' the ball down the field, boys! ...
Why do I have
a feeling that you know more than what you are letting on? Seems to me that you may have some flies stuck on some walls somewhere or perhaps little birdies whispering to you that none of the rest of us can hear. Maybe the old trick knee is starting to act up and you know what is going on at Arrowhead One but you just want to tantalize the rest of us whom aren’t so enlightened or so well-versed in the art of ninjitsu!
Ahh... young grasshopper...
part of the art of ninjitsu is deception and misdirection.
But no mikey, I don’t know anything more than everyone else does. I just have had a feeling that something is going down at Arrowhead One and today sort of confirmed that somethings stirring.
Yeah, let's just keep matriculatin' the ball down the field, boys! ...
by oldchiefsfan on Oct 13, 2009 11:57 PM CDT up reply actions
trade them both whatever we can get just do it
glen does not fit this system hes not a bad player and he probably can really help a team like the jets or the redskins. dj i dont know just get what you can for him . He is just a bust bottom line .
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
man come on guys
Derrick is responsible for one of our biggest plays on defense, if not the biggest. I think yall are being a little harsh. He also got a sack or 2 if i can remember. I dunno maybe you guys are right, but I dont ever catch myself sayin, “where has dj been today” during games (other than the fact that he is not in the game) as I have with Jackson. I realize that Jackson will take time to develop. But for a team that is needing to win right now, I am starting to think back on draft day how much I hoped that we had gotten curry. Curry was a great player, great athlete, great person. That’s the kind of people you like seeing come to your organization.
Dorsey needs to stay; he’s been looking pretty good this year. Larry, I could care less. He kinda seems like he got his payday and then said screw it. But we also dont have an O-line. If we did I dont think we would be demanding his head.
I’ll be going to the San Diego game the 25th this month. I really hope we can win. I am ready for Arrowhead to get back to its old electrifying days. I can’t wait to be there and I hope we whoop em.
O yea, can anyone confirm with Primetime’s (Joel) statement that the best bbq is at oklahoma joes? I’m a huge fan of gates and thought that Arthur bryants was pretty good. But let me know
by ChiefsFanInTexas on Oct 14, 2009 12:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Definately hit up Oklahoma Joes
Yeah, let's just keep matriculatin' the ball down the field, boys! ...
by oldchiefsfan on Oct 14, 2009 12:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Merriman
If we picked up merriman I don’t think I could watch anymore. That guy is a total scumbag.
by Chiefs2010 on Oct 14, 2009 12:28 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
He's Not Even Good Anymore
In the two Chargers games I’ve seen this year, he looks terrible. Maybe he needs more time to recover from the knee injury, but he looks nothing like the old Merriman any more.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
what a difference clean playing makes
I’m just assuming he’s off the roids, as he’s not playing as well and not recovering from injury as quickly.
Or It Could Just Be Age
It pops up on some players really fast.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
yea
total epitome of the “right” players were looking for
by ChiefsFanInTexas on Oct 14, 2009 12:31 AM CDT reply actions
i dont doubt
Merrimans talent…I just think he’d bring drama to the team. Pioli and Haley do not want added drama
by ChiefsFanInTexas on Oct 14, 2009 12:32 AM CDT reply actions
I doubt Merriman's talent now that he's off the juice
At least I’m assuming that’s why he was dominant for a little bit and now can’t do anything. It would be like adding a Larry Johnson on defense—an underachieving, overpaid player whose time has passed (and with attitude questions to boot!)
by Soria's Unibrow on Oct 14, 2009 12:42 AM CDT up reply actions
true
i never did like that asshole when he ended priests career
by ChiefsFanInTexas on Oct 14, 2009 12:49 AM CDT reply actions
you need a DB?
Marlin Jackson and a 4th rounder for Glenn Dorsey
As long as we have Peyton we will always have a chance to win.
Don't trade either
i don’t like the idea of trading for draft picks when the two players were drafted recently in the upper rounds… there keys to the team god i hate the disrespect people seem to have against people that pioli didn’t bring in… he isn’t a genius or anything he wasn’t anything til belichek took him in geez he was just a guy that went to training camps and new about football and he gave him a job…
DJ
1st I’m not crazy. 2nd.I’m not quite comparing DJ-DT,but how would DT have been if put in a Tampa 2 “D”? How about a 3-4?Would his atheleticism been maxed or would he have ever reached his potential?DT had great explosion,DJ does also but has not been in a “D” that shows his strengths.Herm would not let Gunny work his style of “D” so DJ gets put in a tough spot.Now this team goes to a 3-4 with most guys better suited to a 4-3,especially DJ.Any team out there that wants DJ,Dorsey or whomever can just wait.Pioli will give them away or DJ will walk.Play to the players strengths not what you feel like.
John Soellner
DT did play in a 3-4
Chiefs set an NFL record,most roster changes in 1 season.
by bringbacktheglory on Oct 14, 2009 8:19 AM CDT up reply actions
And played it
quite well! He was a monster while he was playing it at Texas but he had some hosses in front of him tying up the O-lines!
If we go get Merriman I'm gonna just slit my wrists...
we could have had porter, haynesworth…seymour, sharper dawkins..the list goes on and on with stellar top notch amazing defensive guys we COULD have gotten…but if we waited it out and passed on all that stardom with the largest salary cap in the nfl…I’m gonna freak
merriman is coming off a career changing injury that benched him for a season +.
He WAS great back in the day before he got hurt, but he’s no top notch calibre player any longer….at least not yet…and unless he’s getting younger…
all the defensive greats from the past who have suffered similiar injuries when asked about merriman’s injury say that “yes he could come back and have productive years”…He could….but for how long?? How long until his injury reoccurs?? The type of injury he suffered is more often than not a fairly permanent thing
granted he could come back and get lucky and get many more years of production at a high level, but he’s a HIGH HIGH risk of re-injury at which point he would not be returning to the NFL as a player…you don’t get two free passes with the type of injury he had.
to quote Mike Singletary:
Don’t want ‘em!
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Cleveland Browns
Sometime during the summer the NFL network reported that the Browns were open to trading anyone on their roster. What if we could trade Dorsey and Johnson, DJ, or LJ to the Browns for their LT Joe Thomas? That would be a great trade for the team. Afterall the Browns did trade Edwards so it is not too difficult to see them send Thomas off either. Thomas is a proven player who could help right away and much better than an unproven draft pick.
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