Chiefs GM: No Conversations About Trading Derrick Johnson
Kansas City Chiefs GM Scott Pioli appeared on 610 Sports' Morning Rush with Roger Twibell today. A few topics were covered, and we'll get to those in a later posting, but one thing he said caught my eye.
Twibell asked a question that I think many of us would ask if given the opportunity (and I'm paraphrasing the question): With Demorrio Williams' increase in playing time, does that give the Chiefs an opportunity to trade Derrick Johnson?
"I don't know because I haven't had any conversations like that with anyone and no one has approached me on that," Pioli said.
Do we take him at his word? Because ultimately trades in the NFL come down to leverage in terms of maximizing compensation and Pioli would lose a whole lot if he came out and said, 'Yes, we're looking to trade Derrick Johnson.'
It's not out of the realm of possibility for a team official to stretch the truth in order to maintain a competitive advantage, which Todd Haley did at one point when asked if the offense had been changed. And that's okay. That's what they're supposed to do.
"This is a good question," Pioli continued, "in the sense that there's been other players and other situations in the past where people say, 'Why didn't they trade for this player or why didn't they trade this player away?'"
What Pioli had to say next is the kicker: "Trades, or the opportunities for trades, have to involve two people."
The man makes a point. More from Pioli on DJ after the jump.
The Chiefs GM did not call out DJ as a reason for his decreased playing time, instead pointing to the play of Demorrio Williams, as coach Haley did yesterday.
"I think the situation with Derrick is more about Demorrio Williams than it is about Derrick," he said, "and I think Todd said that yesterday."
He then went on to point out a reality in the NFL: If you miss time due to injury, then there's somebody right behind trying to take advantage of that (Unless you're Marty Schottenheimer in January of 1998 and insert Elvis Grbac coming off of injury into the game instead of Rich Gannon, who outplayed him during a six game stretch but that's for another day).
"During the preseason, Derrick unfortunately had an injury that kept him out of a full game and limited him somewhat even when he came back," he said. "He gets injured in the Oakland game, and misses the Philadelphia game, and what happens in situations like that, when something happens to a player, is that creates opportunities for another player."
He did go on to say that prior to DJ's injury setbacks, that none of the linebackers "had made it crystal clear who the starter was going to be or the player who was going to be forcing or demanding paying time."
"One player's misfortune is another player's misfortune or opportunity and Demorrio has played pretty well so I wouldn't read too much into what the situation is with Derrick. It's more about Demorrio Williams being given an opportunity, and Corey Mays an opportunity, and those two players playing well."
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Haley and Pioli
They present a unified front.
They’ve been pretty consistent.
I’m just not convinced that Williams has played better than DJ when DJ was on the field.
But, then again, they see more than we do.
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Oct 13, 2009 4:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
maybe not...
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Oct 13, 2009 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He knows how to sidestep a question
And he came right out and answered that one.
by Joel Thorman on Oct 13, 2009 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly
and he answered the EXACT same way Haley did.
Maybe it’s the truth? If it were some kind of motivational tool… they’d come right out and say DJ isn’t doing what he needs to do
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Oct 13, 2009 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see it as a way of saying
“There’s nothing wrong with DJ, so please feel free to offer us full value in a trade”.
If they’d said what was really wrong, something like “he can’t seem to get what’s going on 100% of the time”, then that would lower his potential trade value.
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by benfunke on Oct 13, 2009 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually i dont think he has made the transition
because of all the turmoil in KC,losing games,changing personel,coaches,DC,schemes. And all the while he’s been a guy that needed help to make it over the hump but never really got the help,so he kinda fell through the cracks. And now he looks like he might be just sitting back collecting a gamecheck.
AND he was a beast at Texas because he was the rover, and he fit that system.
by Bestofthewest on Oct 13, 2009 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like how our linebackers are stepping up.
I think we’re starting to see what we might want in the draft next year on defense. Nose tackle, strong safety, linebacker depth, cornerback depth.
On offense? RG and C. An upgrade on offensive line would help our offense tremendously. If Brown works out, all we need is a center.
by Vince D on Oct 13, 2009 4:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Lots of draft talk, too
That will be in a later post (maybe tonight).
by Joel Thorman on Oct 13, 2009 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sweet
i can’t get enough draft talk.
after this draft, I swore I wouldn’t get hooked… but I’m already addicted to 2010 draft talk :)
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Oct 13, 2009 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope next yrs draft pioli can see past LSU
by Bestofthewest on Oct 13, 2009 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
since he's only drafted 1 LSU player in KC..
I don’t see that as an issue :)
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Oct 13, 2009 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah but it was a huge gamble
way over priced in my opinion
by Bestofthewest on Oct 13, 2009 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand why you say that..
but Jackson was a VERY safe, un-flashy pick.
in no way was he a gamble… other than “opportunity cost”, considering who else they could have picked.
He’s a solid building block for the defense… nothing risky about that
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Oct 13, 2009 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
unless he dont pan out
but i think he has a huge upside that affords him the opportunity to change positions
if it actually came down to that.
Kinda like colin brown he was a ot at mizzou but i think the chiefs have used him mostly at guard,but he could fill in at T if needed
by Bestofthewest on Oct 13, 2009 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
everyone's a gamble if they don't pan out :)
but, yeah, I agree that Jackson has upside, and is versatile.
It’s pretty clear why they drafted him.
Hopefully, in a couple years we’ll be able to look back and say it was a great pick.
And, I REALLY hope Brown pans out next season… at either position…
that’d be a HUGE relief
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Oct 13, 2009 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's just a shame the 3rd round pick
has more tackles than the 1st round pick.
Chiefs set an NFL record,most roster changes in 1 season.
by bringbacktheglory on Oct 13, 2009 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think they will both develope into good players
and i know C.Brown is on injured reserve or P.U.P. list ,but since they did spend so much on TJ why isnt the guy playing more, to get experience, I mean were 0-5 already it’s not going to kill us either way.
by Bestofthewest on Oct 13, 2009 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Colin Brown has been on the IR list all season
supposedly needed a knee operation … so goes the official story and reports
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Oct 13, 2009 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep... thus, the "next year" talk about him
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Oct 13, 2009 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yah, I was responding (late) to BestofthwWest's comment about the Chiefs using him at guard
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Oct 13, 2009 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
reply to Vince D
I am not sure NT is a HUGE need…
Safety to replace Brown, OLB to replace Vrabel, RG to replace Goff (unless it’s Ndukwe/Brown), C to replace Rudy for SURE
Then, I want to see a WR/KR/PR… UNLESS Lawrence develops as the year goes on…
OT depth is a need for sure.
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Oct 13, 2009 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If by "Huge" need you mean...
desperate need…then I agree.
Bewsaf
by Bewsaf on Oct 13, 2009 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep...
I mean…
wouldn’t it be nice if the answers to some of the Chiefs positions-of-need were ALREADY on the roster?
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Oct 13, 2009 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think...
the chiefs will eventually need a 3-4 NT asskicker. I don’t think they really have one of those. But that is not a desperate need right now. O-line is, I think, a desperate need. I actually think a playmaking safety is high on the list. The only reason I say that over linebacker is that I think Pioli will try and do it like NE and get a lot of smart workmanlike LBs at first. I think the recievers, although we could use an upgrade, will look better just from Cassel having more time in the pocket.
Bewsaf
by Bewsaf on Oct 13, 2009 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I"m totally on board with your opinion...
Just imagine for a second, how sweet could it be IF…
Colin Brown is able to become a starter, or at least a 2nd string guy… that’d be a great deal in the 5th round…
Quinten Lawrence is able to develop into a deep threat WR and KR/PR by next year… that’d be another late round steal
Donald Washington… maybe he can figure out how to be a man-coverage corner, and help improve the secondary
Dajuan Morgan… maybe he takes over the starting job from Mike Brown, and lives up to his pre-draft billing as a great Safety prospect
I’m not saying All (or really any) of these guys are guaranteed to pan out. But, if some of them do… The Chiefs are in better shape by next year than most thought. And the 2009 draft could turn out better than most thought.
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Oct 13, 2009 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't Washington like a true Junior in college
Soph last year at The Ohio St University
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 13, 2009 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep, very raw
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Oct 13, 2009 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think...
Donald Washington has the best chance…and actually I think he will pan out. I think Dajuan Morgan has the lowest chance. Everyone else on your list being someplace in the middle.
Bewsaf
by Bewsaf on Oct 13, 2009 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lawrence and Brown
I think Haley really likes Lawrence, and he’s already shown flashes….
he’s got a good shot, i think.
Brown? well, he’s a big unknown… but he seems to have the tools to be a solid OL, and he’s HUGE…
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Oct 13, 2009 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brown looks like...
one of those BOOM or BUST types. If you hit it…its going to be big. I like Lawrence also. He has that quickness you cannot teach. He has to be more consitant though. I wondered in the pre-season if he could line up in the backfield in the shotgun spread and be used as a mismatch on a linebacker. The way he runs the reverse he might be able to take a draw from time to time. But realistically, he could pan out to be a very good slot guy.
Bewsaf
by Bewsaf on Oct 13, 2009 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly..
100% true… I’m going to keep saying it… NT is a huge need for us. Look around at the 3-4 defenses (in particular SD) and how they play when their NT isn’t in the game. Jamal is out and they can’t stop anybody on defense. We will take the top rated NT (probably Cody) if he is still available in the first.
by bbrock05 on Oct 13, 2009 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The chances of this posting stopping the DJ-trade rumors?
Zilch.
by Joel Thorman on Oct 13, 2009 5:13 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
yep...
rumors are wishful thinking, IMO
People around here want action and controversy.
Trade DJ
bench Cassel
Fire Haley
Sign Matt Jones
cut LJ
cut Goff
did I miss any?
(for the record, I would only do the last 2 on that list)
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Oct 13, 2009 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Action and controversy
are vastly overrated
Welcome to Chiefs REBUILD - Version 2.0 /The Clark Hunt Edition
Chiefs will be lucky to go 4-12 in 2010
by KansasCityShuffle on Oct 13, 2009 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you missed the RT from buffalo they cut
by Bestofthewest on Oct 13, 2009 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Langston Walker
Yeah, I’d sign him
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Oct 13, 2009 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
HA i knew somebody would remember his name
I wish we did sign him
by Bestofthewest on Oct 13, 2009 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's still available, last I heard...
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Oct 13, 2009 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh really? I thought he was picked up
hmmm im gonna have to check on that
by Bestofthewest on Oct 13, 2009 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Langston Walker is a LT by the way
by Bestofthewest on Oct 13, 2009 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he started at RT all last year
was trying to move to LT this year
wasn’t happy about it
got cut
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Oct 13, 2009 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought he was a RT but saw him listed as a LT
by Bestofthewest on Oct 13, 2009 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, he is thought to be able to play both
but, is better at RT
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Oct 13, 2009 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes, last
i was excited when Goff appeared to be injured during the game. A little ashamed, but mostly excited.
by ExtraMetal on Oct 13, 2009 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Might as well just do it
because we know he won’t be back next year. Actually, we never have a clue what will happen but by all indications it doesn’t look like DJ will be re-signed. I think he won’t be traded because no partner would ante up knowing fully well he’ll be unsigned
Welcome to Chiefs REBUILD - Version 2.0 /The Clark Hunt Edition
Chiefs will be lucky to go 4-12 in 2010
by KansasCityShuffle on Oct 13, 2009 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont want to stop the rumors
or a possible trade
by Bestofthewest on Oct 13, 2009 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still can't believe
the Donkeys are 5-0. Does anyone else want to throw up on themselves? WTF
by NorthwestChief on Oct 13, 2009 5:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah - but I thought the offseason comments about them were awfully extreme
I’ve never been a Cutler fan. He was a QB I always wanted to have in against the Chiefs because he’s as likely to help the Chiefs as the Donks. And they had a great first half last year except for the loss to KC. They were a solid team. It wasn’t clear how good Orton was going to be, but McDaniels seemed to be pretty happy.
I guess if I’m surprised by anything it’s by how good of a defensive team they’ve been this season. I still think a lot of that is due to playing poor offenses, but I was pretty impressed this past week with their win against NE. But I’m still betting they end up closer to the middle of the pack than to the top.
Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read. - Groucho Marx
by Big Chief on Oct 13, 2009 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True
And they haven’t played as many high caliber teams as we have. It still sux to see any of the AFCW teams doing better than us. Especially the one with McDaniels. Not that I thought we would be a good team this year by any means. I gave it 3 years this last off-season before we would be back in the playoffs and I’m sticking to it.
Oh, and another thing I am real sick of… LJ up the middle (no gain), LJ up the middle (1 yard), LJ up the middle (no gain) and so on… Granted our line is for shit, but if you are a 1,700 yard power back in this league, you better be able to get more than one or two yards average on your own. Time to give another back a try. If Charles is going to fumble it away consistently, I say this is the year to find that out. After that, we still have a nice reserve of backs that should get their chance as well.
by NorthwestChief on Oct 13, 2009 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Pioli is telling the truth
because someone would really have to be desperate and believe that DJ has tremendous potential. Otherwise why wouldn’t a team just sign Derrick Brooks?
Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read. - Groucho Marx
by Big Chief on Oct 13, 2009 5:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
To me it sounded like he was saying.....
…..“Hey if anyone wants to pickup DJ, he is officially on the block.” He never said he wanted or didn’t want to trade him, he simply said noone had approached him. To me that is a message to other teams that he is going to listen to offers. I think he said alot by not saying much.
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.
by BigRedChief on Oct 13, 2009 5:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think his reply was more like...say. what?
Bewsaf
by Bewsaf on Oct 13, 2009 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pioli would listen to deals for any player on the team save probably Cassel.
Teams usually don’t want to close the door of possibility in case there is a team out there that would give them a good deal, even if they hadn’t planned on it before.
They might not be thinking of trading DJ, but if some team came in and offered a 4th rounder for a guy sitting on the bench that is in the last year of his contract, you can be sure they would send him off in a heart beat.
by ChiefDJ on Oct 13, 2009 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We are on replay on NFL Network next...
by idahochieffan on Oct 13, 2009 6:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Joel and Chris Thorman have been rumored to be on the trading block ...
… for Dan Wetzel and a columnist to be named later (presumably a low-round draft pick from University of Missouri School of Journalism) …
when questioned about the rumor, officials at AP denied that any trade was in the works, saying only that Jon Yoon has had a chance to fill in and has proved himself to be more than capable at blogging and expressing opinions
at this point there has been no word from either Joel or Chris Thorman, other than “we continue to blog and do everything that’s asked of us, and more”
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Oct 13, 2009 7:34 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd
I’ll never blog again for Arrowhead Pride without a new contract.
by Joel Thorman on Oct 13, 2009 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Got a manager?
hands you my card
"There are few secrets in football. So execute." ~Coach Stram
"I think it's the fans. The place is crazy. It's a good crazy, if you're Kansas City." ~Coach Schottenheimer
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