A Note on the Negativity
by Chris Thorman on Oct 12, 2009 7:23 PM CDT
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Good evening everyone,
It's been tough being a Chiefs fan this season since 2007. Any time a team is losing, and losing badly like the Chiefs have, you're going to have more negative comments than positive comments.
And that's perfectly okay. People are frustrated. I'm frustrated. Negativity isn't necessarily a bad thing. In fact, it's been warranted recently.
Negativity becomes a bad thing when it isn't followed by anything constructive to say. "Haley is a dumbass" following by nothing adds zip to the conversation. Zero. Zilch.
That comment may fly during the 3,500 comments on game day (for the record, I hate it even then) but it doesn't fly during the week in a 30 comment thread by one of our contributors who busted their ass writing a good post.
This is just a short reminder to Stop. Breathe. Think. And then Post. Are you really adding anything to the conversation with your comment? Or are you just venting and hoping to bait a few people into some attention-getting comments?
If you can't be positive, then constructively criticize. If you can't constructively criticize, well then, you're counting down the hours until you're not able to post on Arrowhead Pride anymore.
It really is that easy people.
Plus, I've gotten a taste of just how much fun it is to ban people (We've banned less than 35 users in over three years which is an extremely high degree of leniency IMO) and with nearly 20,000 visits a day, I simply cannot and do not have the patience to deal with some needy jackass who can't control their emotions.
We cool?
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Arrowhead Pride's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Arrowhead Pride writers or editors.
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BANHAMMER IS IN FULL SWING
J/king. Nothing aggravates me more in a gameday thread than one poster posting OMG CHEIFS ZUCK AZZ 50 times in one thread every time a frustrating play happens.
Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes; after that, who cares?! He's a mile away and you've got his shoes!
by SuperTurtle on Oct 12, 2009 7:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Is this about my three posts Saturday Night?
It was over 4 hours time and every post was about a different thought!
Received Chris, Sir:)
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 12, 2009 7:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You're the worst Steve!
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by Chris Thorman on Oct 12, 2009 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Something that's funny now is I just got unbanned the other day
by SB because of a “Throttle Violation” I apparently triggered.
Yeah, let's just keep matriculatin' the ball down the field, boys! ...
by oldchiefsfan on Oct 12, 2009 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah.
That’s why I do all of the news in one post in the mornings rather than a ton of fanshot. I got auto-banned a few times.
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Oct 12, 2009 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes, I've been schooled on that now : )
Yeah, let's just keep matriculatin' the ball down the field, boys! ...
by oldchiefsfan on Oct 12, 2009 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thank you!
just hope everyone reads it! Rec’d!
by jrcnc on Oct 12, 2009 7:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I have sometimes let out stuff and went back reading and said “wtf, why did i say that” but i check what i write before i say some things. Other people should too…Good write Chris.
by Wrestler189s on Oct 12, 2009 7:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Right on.
Don't forget to be an AP-vangelist...Tell A Friend...
by woodman212 on Oct 12, 2009 7:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Word
Fact is…we’re getting a ton of people visiting the site – 600,000 visits and 1.5 million clicks on the site last month. There’s bound to be newcomers (and even regulars) who throw out the pointless, attention-seeking comments….it’s up to the rest of us to let people know that we don’t do that here. And the best way to do that is to simply ignore it. People will "get it" pretty quickly.
Chris and I have full-time jobs just like the rest of you, and Arrowhead Pride is a release from the real world, just like the rest of you. Ultimately, this is supposed to be fun. I think that’s a key point we forget a lot of the time.
by Joel Thorman on Oct 12, 2009 7:47 PM CDT reply actions 13 recs
"Ultimately this is supposed to be fun."
Rec’d rec’d and more recs.
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by Chris Thorman on Oct 12, 2009 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait a minute...
Is this a set up so somebody can come in and bust on you for posting it twice? LOL
by 12t on Oct 12, 2009 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You caught me
I didn’t reply to Joel’s comment. You’re fast…
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by Chris Thorman on Oct 12, 2009 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not to worried, I have blackmail material
I have a picture of Chris. ; )
Yeah, let's just keep matriculatin' the ball down the field, boys! ...
by oldchiefsfan on Oct 12, 2009 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chuck Norris is available
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 12, 2009 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What???
You and Chris have full-time jobs? This is just a hobby?
Are you sure?
:)
by Cowboynchrist on Oct 14, 2009 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chris, who was the first one banned?
Is it true that he was resurrected from the ashes like a Phoenix and continues to contribute around these parts?
"What?!?! I aint no Obama for the weed!"
-Turk McBride
by HIV 2 Elway on Oct 12, 2009 7:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You were brought back
by popular demand.
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by Chris Thorman on Oct 12, 2009 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it was "Gonorrhea 4 Rivers"...
…something along those lines…
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by woodman212 on Oct 12, 2009 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha
I’m Slow.
We had a place called Three Rivers here and I lost my train of thought
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 12, 2009 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've got this friends Wilmer
He’s an immigrant facing deportation. Things aren’t exactly going his way. He always tells me, “Rasta, you’ve got to stay positive and let the good life come to you.” We all could take a lesson from his wisdom. This team stinks on dry ice but lets Dorsey is looking good, Cassel looks better each week, and we have the best tandem of kickers in the league. Things aint that bad.
"What?!?! I aint no Obama for the weed!"
-Turk McBride
by HIV 2 Elway on Oct 12, 2009 8:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed on the kickers and Cassel
If the quarterback is looking good, then you’ll never be in as bad of a situation as the Rams.
by Joel Thorman on Oct 12, 2009 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is that you HIV?
You seem like the intelligensia here in KC. The Upper-crust!
Were you once Bad Company
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 12, 2009 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats tight
"What?!?! I aint no Obama for the weed!"
-Turk McBride
by HIV 2 Elway on Oct 12, 2009 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats tight
"What?!?! I aint no Obama for the weed!"
-Turk McBride
by HIV 2 Elway on Oct 12, 2009 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude, you need to knock that shit off
"What?!?! I aint no Obama for the weed!"
-Turk McBride
by HIV 2 Elway on Oct 12, 2009 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stay positive Bro
Things aint that bad….
-Chiefs new drumline is tight
-The horse is back
-kickass flyovers
-pistachio-friendly security
-……..?
I'd rather die on my feet than be living on my knees
by ArrowDread on Oct 12, 2009 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Love the Chiefs pro-pistachio stance
"What?!?! I aint no Obama for the weed!"
-Turk McBride
by HIV 2 Elway on Oct 12, 2009 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Keep cracking that whip
Thin the herd
I'd rather die on my feet than be living on my knees
by ArrowDread on Oct 12, 2009 8:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
release from the real world? you mean this ISN'T the real world???
omg, now I’m totally lost …
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Oct 12, 2009 8:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
question...
I dont think this is venting so i hope it isnt.
How much longer must we suffer this? Surrrre we won 2 of the last 30, but I feel like we have lost 30 games straight honestly. Im only 16 by the way. Im not an adult like a lot of you. Kids in school can be such jackasses. Cant even talk about the sport I love the most because of it.
IM LOSING MY COOL AND I DONT KNOW WHERE TO VENT. I LIVE IN NJ WITH ALL THE COWBOY, GIANT, JET BANDWAGONS AND IM THE ONLY CHIEF FAN I KNOW. WHAT DO I DO TO RELEASE THE PENT-UP ANGER????
Bowe and Wade FTW.
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.
by NJChieffan16 on Oct 12, 2009 8:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well punching stop signs will only get you busted up knuckles :)
Or you could do like I did at 17 and put myself in front of 4 guys that wanted to kick my ass.
But that don’t work well either, I remember. Maybe Back yard and scream for a couple of minutes if your neighborhood allows it and come back and We will all get through this together :)
Geaux Chiefs
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 12, 2009 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
first off, remove the caps-lock on the keyboard ...
now then, the next thing is to pretend that you’re blonde and write yourself a note to look at when things are tough, the note should read:
breathe in
breathe out
breathe in
breahte out
finally, remind yourself often that YOUR team, the Chiefs, went to the VERY FIRST EVER Super Bowl … that the late owner of your team came up with the name “Super Bowl” to begin with … that your team won more games in the 90’s than any other (or at least damn close to it) … and that your team will be the “official team” of Tony Gonzalez when he goes into the Football Hall of Fame as THE Greatest Tight End Ever Ever Anywhere
lastly, remind yourself that hey, it HAS to get better
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Oct 12, 2009 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ah yes this works out pretty well from the both of you...but thanks...
Im gonna go enjoy myself tomorrow and tell everyone that my team won more games 2 decades ago than any other, even though none of them were alive. Then ill tell them that my team won the superbowl 40 years ago and that they should bow down and respect the chiefs for starting the NFL we know now. I mean its easy to respect a team that hasnt won a game…
Bowe and Wade FTW.
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.
by NJChieffan16 on Oct 12, 2009 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
NJ...see you think like an old timer no matter your age..
you don’t have to live through 35 years of this shit to realize something is fucked up here. And it isn’t gonna change with the same ol’ same ol’….it’s cool that we have a forum to gripe, because believe it or not…it is the beginnings of the information age and believe me the NFL is a business……..
they check out these sites….we pay their salary’s……so it matters if you win or lose and your right…it’s been forever too long since we’ve had a legitimate reason to be genuinely proud here….
I want the pride back here again….this is a sickening time here and it’s been here for 40 plus years……yet this year after a long super bowl draught we still managed to break a record for the single season sack low??? This is a bad bad bad bad team..
I know my message gets twisted but here it is plain and sweet; if we bitch loud enough and we stand together then the owner’s and the gm’s and the coaches who want to stay employed get motivated real quick…..we have shut up too long now…it’s time to stand up and speak up..not AT each other …but vent WITH each other….it’s okay…
you can bitch about Haley and me Cassel and him …whoever…and the next guy can spin a perspective that we can both learn from….it’s how we cope with being what we actually are….and that’s sad.
by krayfish on Oct 12, 2009 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kray
Just remember that being a Fan of a losing team and What We are. Are not the same thing. We all are successfull in something other than our choice of teams to root for. We Are not Sad, out team might be currently but this Team is not what makes each of us Us. Sad people truly don’t care about anything, I can attest that depression makes you care about Nothing.
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 12, 2009 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude, wow!!
I so have to save this post for a paper I’m doing. What an experiment in human mentality.
This post brought out everyone who felt like they were the one being specifically talked about in this post.
Everyone who didn’t want to be singled out. Anyone who was scared of being banned from the herd. A threat. A real one no doubt, but still a threat of anonymous execution and my how we all showed up in rare form.
You all thought Chris was talking about something you all did recently to set him off…are you crazy?? Seriously your just paranoid if you think this was about you, when clearly it was about me…and also..myself. Well both of us really…
!
by krayfish on Oct 12, 2009 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where ARE YOU ALL??
TALK TO ME DAMMIT>>>> Where is everyone???? R U OK? I will BAN YOU FOR 1 million 700,000 seconds and then something will happen…it’s in the bible!! ( Pretend I’m wearing a robe and holding a scepter…and have a beard and a Haley mask and I am pretending to part the red seas) I swear that in that day he will sayeth unto he that he will banitttthhh thee….
by krayfish on Oct 12, 2009 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Haley parted the Red Sea.
The Chief fans are dying off.
Bowe and Wade FTW.
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.
by NJChieffan16 on Oct 12, 2009 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it up a mountain?? or what?
comeon we’re bro’s now tell us all what is upamtn stand for?? what DOES it stand for anyway??
by krayfish on Oct 12, 2009 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes kray, it is indeed up a mountain - thought you had that figured out ages ago
and I never once thought the post was directed at me, because as you well know, I am NEVER down on ANYTHING the Chiefs organization does … EVER
say, could I interest you in some nice oceanfront property here in Colorado?
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Oct 13, 2009 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How to vent 101
First off you have to realize that your not alone, many Chiefs fans are not in KC thus are what we consider as in “Hostile Territory”. That is why AP exist, a place for all Chiefs fans no matter where they are to have a place to come together and talk about our team. I myself live just outside New Orleans and the Saints being currently one of the best teams in the NFL for their very first time are making it very hard on me. When things are bad like in the 80’s sometimes you have to grin and bear it and hope that things turn around like they did in the 90’s.
Secondly, Sometimes we need to vent, we need to yell and scream and get the frustration out. The question is How do we do that without saying things we don’t mean or without getting banned right? The answer is very simple. Open up your word possessing program I. E. Word, word pad or whatever Apple has and start writing. Get it all out say whatever you think you have to, yell and scream all you want then Here is the hard part….Save it just sit on it for let’s say 2 to 3 days. During that time your waiting, read AP do not post just read and see if anyone else has posted what you are thinking and what the replies are like for it.
I’ve noticed most of the negative post come on game day or in the morning after. But after things have cooled down and clearer minds have finally gotten heard things often do not look as bad as they have seem. Now after your 2 to 3 day cool down go back and read the post you wrote and see if you want to make any changes (like the whole thing) Or if you even feel the need to make that post. If you still want to make the post that’s fine that’s what AP is for just make sure you are clear why your upset and be ready to defend your statements. If your able to do these things I think you’ll find AP to be open to discussing your thought’s rather than just bashing them for being posted in the heat of the moment.
These ideas and thought’s are my own, and do not in anyway represent any official policy of Arrowhead Pride. This is submitted as a possible lesson I have learned over the years. I am a Chiefs fan since 1969, and I have seen both the good times and the bad come and go more than a few times. As a loyal fan I have done my yelling and screaming and have learned that time changes all things, and with time as long as I can see some improvement I still have faith in My Chiefs. We all knew this wasn’t going to be our Season but we can see that given time things can turn around and I believe that the Chiefs will in 2 or 3 seasons be a much better team than they are now, and I’m going to be there when they do.
is it me? or isn't about time the Lamar Hunt trophy belonged to His team?
I’m a Chiefs fan Dammit and I’m damn proud of it!
by KC Fanatic on Oct 13, 2009 7:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're a seasoned veteran ;)
No way a 20-something has the patience and self control to do that.
Good ideas though.
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
by Buck'O on Oct 13, 2009 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Buck'O
Kind of see it as one of the old guys as my job to pass on to the young pups how to deal with things.
is it me? or isn't about time the Lamar Hunt trophy belonged to His team?
I’m a Chiefs fan Dammit and I’m damn proud of it!
by KC Fanatic on Oct 13, 2009 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed, since we've been through the fire, it never hurts to pass on a few tips to get through it
Yeah, let's just keep matriculatin' the ball down the field, boys! ...
by oldchiefsfan on Oct 13, 2009 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I try to look at it like this...
We lost Sunday and now we look for a win THIS Sunday.Hope that helps a little.
by idahochieffan on Oct 13, 2009 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
An apology from Steve
Whatever I said was not directed at the person but a Title of an executive person.
Me and the said person have no problems as far as I know. Nothing was meant in any way to demean or cause offense. Sorry for the poor choice of words :)
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 12, 2009 8:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Steve...chiefs..umm listen...(ok Chris before you stop me...I'll be nice)...
You see, by apologizing blanket style, you have pretty much admitted that you are a problem causer. No one knew what you were talking about or what you did to ruin this site for everyone….but now we all know it was you…you as much as admitted to something stupid right there…(Joel stick up for me here…you know I’m right)
Now I’m not sure what it was but you better make it right because I have used up all my free passes and I am not sit by while you ruin it for everyone I haven’t…you HEAR ME???!!!!
OK cool….see I was nice…and constructive… that’s why I’m still here !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by krayfish on Oct 12, 2009 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Happens
It was just a corrective warning…no big deal. Apology noted and you’re all good as far as I’m concerned.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Oct 12, 2009 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"We've banned less than 35 users in over three years ..."
and Lanier is still here? crazy isnt it? :)
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.
by Lanier63 on Oct 12, 2009 9:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That was an oversight
Banned! :)
by Joel Thorman on Oct 12, 2009 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OKay Chris I'll stop now...I was having fun okay??
It’s Krayfish…you know I’m not well so you shouldn’t be surprised..(-:
by krayfish on Oct 12, 2009 9:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice chris
Yes people here should understand and… although I am guilty too of being irrational and stupid at times…. it really is quite irratating to see all the post like “Haley= Hitler” and “Cassel sucks” with no real backup informaton or anything, just seems to be thrown out there to stir shit. But what they hey, I’m not calling the shots around here, just try to contribute the best I can. I still firmly believe in trashtalkiing any and all Raiders and their fans with absolute no reasoning but other than the fact that they are who they are! But… that’s just me.
by readANDgold58 on Oct 12, 2009 9:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Like a boss...
Sometimes you make too much sense.
by Chiefsfan85 on Oct 12, 2009 9:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
People need to watch games this year with their heads and not their hearts.
Watch the game and play armchair GM, don’t worry about wins and losses. Watch the games intellectually and not emotionally. We all knew this team would struggle this year.
Toby is in HR, which technically means he works for corporate, so he's really not a part of our family. Also, he's divorced, so he's really not a part of his family.
by Rev. Slappy on Oct 12, 2009 9:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Damn you Rev
I have it when you come in here and look at everything so damn intellectually and stuff. Damn you to Hell lol
by readANDgold58 on Oct 12, 2009 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sarcasm box didn't work....
Hmm I still seem to struggle with that.
by readANDgold58 on Oct 12, 2009 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am not offended. Honestly, the vitriol was/is surprising.
We all seemed to know this season was going to be a tough one to take, people seem to think they Chiefs were going to beat Baltimore, Philly and the Giants. So far we’ve been beaten by two teams clearly better than us, lost games where we were tied with more talented teams in the 4th quarter and then lost to the Raiders. Could we be 2-3 just as easily as 0-5? Sure, but does it matter? This isn’t a playoff team, it isn’t close to being a playoff team. We all knew that.
Personally, I think Haley would like to win some games but at the same time I think they are using these games to evaluate talent. I said back in the spring before the draft that there was no way the new regime new what they had with the majority of their players and it would take this season to really know. Except for Cassel. Pioli knew what he had with Cassel.
Toby is in HR, which technically means he works for corporate, so he's really not a part of our family. Also, he's divorced, so he's really not a part of his family.
by Rev. Slappy on Oct 12, 2009 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
rec
Im glad some people see the light. Its hard, and my week is ruined when they lose, but some stuff makes me happy. Frustrated, but happy for sure.
by The IT Guy on Oct 13, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I always wanted to know what everyone's def. of a fan is...
Is it someone who believes the team is the greatest?
Is it someone who lets realism put down others?
Is being a realistic fan and a fanboy the same thing or is one just being an ass or a dumass?
I DON’T KNOW…but I wanna know honestly.
Bowe and Wade FTW.
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.
by NJChieffan16 on Oct 12, 2009 9:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
To me a fan wears his heart on his sleeve
and takes the consequences. Win or lose.
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 12, 2009 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Steve...your in enough trouble....I hear your going to be banned..
ssssssshhhhhh!!!!!
by krayfish on Oct 12, 2009 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Bowe and Wade FTW.
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.
by NJChieffan16 on Oct 12, 2009 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry Steve...I'm no doctor but...
if your heart was actually on your sleeve…you would die! It’s physically impossible for that to happen…so stop being unrealistic….just let us bitch.
by krayfish on Oct 12, 2009 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's a good question.
Some people think being a fan is blind loyalty no matter what happens. Some people think being a fan is listening to sports talk radio and spewing whatever nonsense those morons throw out. Some people think being a good fan is being loud (this is why I can’t go to sports bars to watch games). To me it’s like being a member of a family — you are loyal but you are honest. I really respect fans of teams that have sucked for years and years. My God, the loyal Royals fans???? Give those people medals! David Glass and Dayton Moore are never turning that ship around.
Toby is in HR, which technically means he works for corporate, so he's really not a part of our family. Also, he's divorced, so he's really not a part of his family.
by Rev. Slappy on Oct 12, 2009 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My idea what a fan is
I’m a fan of the Chiefs and the Royals, and I have been since 1969. Why well I was 6 at the time and was just getting interested in sports and KC was very exciting at the time. The Chiefs were winning and on their way to the Super Bowl and we had this brand new baseball team. I got caught up in all that excitement, My bedroom was decorated with everything I could find both Chiefs and Royals. After a while the Chiefs were not winning like they had but I still wanted them to win, and the Royals caught fire. Always in the playoff chase and yes my heart was broken in ’76, ’77, and in ’78 and 1980 almost killed me but we finally won it all in ’85. Now if you look back these were good times for the Royals but bad times for the Chiefs a pretty dark time in fact.
The whole point of this is this to me a fan is a person who supports their team No Matter What. I use the name fanatic for a reason a fanatic is a fan to the point of insanity, and that’s me. No matter how bad things look, I’m the fan looking for improvement, I’m the fan wearing my Chiefs and Royals gear even when we are the butt of every joke. I’m the ever loyal fan because at least I have a team and I’m always looking for improvement. I am that Wait til Next year guy, and I guess I always will be.
is it me? or isn't about time the Lamar Hunt trophy belonged to His team?
I’m a Chiefs fan Dammit and I’m damn proud of it!
by KC Fanatic on Oct 13, 2009 7:41 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Well said & rec'd!
Fandom is a marriage of sorts thru thick & thin thru good times & bad. There are bound to be ups & downs but focusing on finding the silver lining & seeing improvement even if its something so simple as: “Well we should get a good draft pick next year or We could have lost by 3 TD’s rather than just 2 or We looked really sharp breaking the huddle today!” It’ll help you feel better about the Chiefs & feeling better about the Chiefs will have to brighten your entire outlook on everything! Losing sucks but more than likely the sun will come up again tomorrow with the promise of a better day!
by ttownmikey on Oct 13, 2009 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
BRAVO
Bowe and Wade FTW.
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.
by NJChieffan16 on Oct 13, 2009 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rec'd and thank you
I wholeheartedly agree and appreciate all that you all do to keep this site worth coming to.
by Supersport on Oct 12, 2009 10:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
OMG only NJ CHIEFS Ffan16 understands my humor...
by krayfish on Oct 12, 2009 10:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Shhhhhhh what happens on AP stays on AP:)
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 12, 2009 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok i wont' tell anyone...but your still getting
BANNED!!! IT"S in the bible….dont’ mock God you blashpemer!!!
by krayfish on Oct 12, 2009 10:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well you made me look
The blasphemer I guess it is
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 12, 2009 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course
My given name is Charles SO
a totally different look
so a blasphemous Stoner or “person with humility, personal sanctity, and unselfishness”
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 12, 2009 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm tryin' fellas
But I can’t help but laughing my ass off at the overwhelming panic suffered by some when we loose. I am a bit of a sadist. It’s true. I was literally in tears yesterday. Lol. That, and by laughing at you, hopefully you’ll realize how ridiculous you look when you demand that people lose their job in the morning.
There was a study published a year or so ago that found the highest rates of domestic abuse occurs on NFL game days.
Check your fire! Just sayin’
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
by Buck'O on Oct 12, 2009 10:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
SO, you just pop in laugh and leave again.
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 12, 2009 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
It’s more like I hang around and express my mirth openly :)
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
by Buck'O on Oct 12, 2009 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So since we are playing with names
Are you like Buck in “Band of Brothers”?
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 12, 2009 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 12, 2009 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha!
That’s actually one of my favorite songs.
The moniker is indeed a Buck O’neil reference. When I was a kid I was all about baseball and really didn’t care much about football. I’ve used it as a moniker for years in everything from video games to blogs. Funny though, when the mlb missed the world series in ’94 i never got back into baseball. Go figger!
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
by Buck'O on Oct 12, 2009 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well Buck was a true fan and a great man
lived life with vigor and certainly a moniker based on living life well is a good thing. Yet I am an Ass and nearly banned myself so what do I know :)
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 12, 2009 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As long as you have a purpose
Steve_Chiefs – to be a prolific fanposter and profusely apologize for his actions. Why? Because we like you! M-O-U-S-E
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
by Buck'O on Oct 12, 2009 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My purpose is seldom shown to me
yet I hope some see my usefulness
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 12, 2009 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
AKA Tool!
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 12, 2009 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow - I thought I was the only one who stopped following MLB
When I mention that I haven’t watched a MLB games since they cancelled the World Series I get these “looks.” You know, like I’ve lost my mind (which is a distinct possibility). And I used to love MLB and Royals during the summer. I still love Baseball, but get my fix now mostly by seeing Minor league games.
Thanks, Buck’O – I don’t feel so alone anymore.
Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read. - Groucho Marx
by Big Chief on Oct 12, 2009 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah.
I’m one of those stats freaks and I put so much into being a fan of the game. When the greed on both sides canceled the world series, I felt enough betrayal to turn my loyalties elsewhere. Dove head-long into football, basketball and boxing and I’ve been pretty well rewarded for it.
I feel you on the crazy looks. People think I’m nuts sometimes. I like baseball ok, but you know…. GEAUX CHIEFS!
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
by Buck'O on Oct 12, 2009 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LISTEN HERE BUCK O"
that’s too cliche’….I can’t do it with a straight face…
by krayfish on Oct 12, 2009 10:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It goes something like this
Ahahahahahaha!
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
by Buck'O on Oct 12, 2009 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay so now I feel like an asshole for calling Haley a Dumbass...
I didn’t realize anyone would take it so personally. I’ll apologize if it offended anyone but, I don’t deny the fact that I truly DO believe that.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Oct 12, 2009 10:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Meh
There were some really insane comments. Anyway, is there a reason why you called Haley a Dumbass? :)
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
by Buck'O on Oct 12, 2009 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where do I start???
It started with the fact that Savage has been dropped to 3rd RB on the depth chart, even though he has been the MOST PRODUCTIVE RB who has played this season. (Has also looked the best doing it)
Then there’s this whole DJ thing. I realize the inconsistency that DJ has shown BUT, he is the most talented LB on the team w/o a doubt. For a team that is STARVED for talent, it makes no sense that a player like DJ would be riding the pine. BTW, he has made the 2 best defensive plays by ANYONE on the roster so far this season. If they have a problem with his consistency, they need to work with him instead of making him sit on the bench.
Then there’s the LJ thing. Everyone here knows that I have supported LJ but, I have no problem admitting when I’m wrong and, I was wrong. He needs to be the short yardage guy and Savage or Charles need to be the every down 1-2 punch due to their speed and ability to get to the edge more quickly. I am not saying LJ shouldn’t be playing at all but, his place should not be the every down RB due to the fact that his productivity has been shit!
These are just a few examples of why I truly do believe that Todd Haley is a dumbass and a piss poor Head Coach. Pair these up with some horribly predictable play calling on offense as well as tackling that is only matched by a pop warner team and you have a recipe for an 0-5 start which is exactly what we have here.
I would be more than happy to continue if you would like? I could go on and on about how Haley is NOT the right guy for this job. I know exactly what people will say…“give him time” blah blah blah. That’s all bullshit! He doesn’t deserve more time. If you can’t tell by his personnel decisions that he is completely incompetent, you have to be blind. i don’t need to suffer through 3 more losing seasons before they fire him just to start over with a whole new rebuild and 3 more years of shitty football. I don’t expect a winning record from this team but, I do expect the Coach to put the best players on the field in EVERY game. Stop fucking around with the roster and start putting a competitive product on the field.
Okay, now that I have properly explained myself, I feel better about the whole dumbass comment.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Oct 13, 2009 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
1. How is Savage the most productive RB on the roster? (not saying he isn’t, but a claim like that needs proof)
2. DJ has always been inconsistent. Williams has proven to be a consistent LB and hasn’t looked bad. Sure, DJ’s made 2 big plays, but he also has much bigger let downs. I’d rather see a LB that is consistently at a “good” level than one that goes from “great” to “horrible.”
3. You think Haley is a dumbass because you would’ve made different personnel moves. That’s easy for you to say because there is no possible way to show you are right or wrong. If LJ had been moved down at the start of the season to 3rd RB and Savage and Charles split the carries you still would be calling him a dumbass.
4. If you’re going to fire every head coach that inherits a terrible team with no sense of what it takes to win after five games then you’re going to go through a lot of coaches. That’s what makes Oakland what they are and the reason that no decent coach in their right mind will go their.
by JComp11 on Oct 13, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Savage has the highest YPC of all the RBs on the roster at this point (4.4 YPC)and is 3rd on the depth chart.
Williams has been consistently mediocre and has done NOTHING that could be construed as special.
Yes, I do think Haley is a dumbass because the personnel moves have been nothing short of moronic. Example: Mike Goff is still our starting RG.
As far as the Oakland comparison goes, that is what I would avoid instead of encourage. I say cut your losses before it turns into another Herm Edwards fiasco. I don’t need 3 years to see that Haley isn’t the right guy for the job. If you would like to compare, I guarantee you that I can show you more reasons he is the wrong guy than you can show me why he is the right guy.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Oct 13, 2009 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who do we have that you would put in that is better than Goff? If he takes Goff out a couple games in to the season and it didn’t work out you would be on his ass for not letting the line build continuity.
I have no problem with Williams being in the game. He does his job. Obviously we disagree on that, but it’s not grounds to call Haley a dumbass.
The places I looked had Savage at 8.7 ypc this season. He should be in every down if you go by that. Take into consideration he has 3 carries and you might realize that it takes a much larger sample to get an idea of how successful a RB is in that category.
by JComp11 on Oct 13, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
JComp Wade Smith is better then Goff....
Also how can you call DJ inconsistent. He has had bad games but he hasn’t been inconsistent. Im not going to count this years stats because he has 2 of the Chiefs biggest plays and hasnt hardly seen the feild. His rookie year he had 95 tackles, His second year he had 76 but only played in 13 games, 2007 he had 93, Last year he missed time and was in a new position and still had 85 tackles. He also has 11 FF in those 4 years including 4 Last year. All of this and he has played for arguably the worst Defense over that span in football, which would only make him look worse. Consistently he has been the best player on our team over those 4 years besides maybe Brian Waters. I dont agree with the Savage claim, But I know LJ shouldnt be our RB.
by darwithabar on Oct 13, 2009 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Everyone Always say how inconsistent he is..
You told Cheifsfan to give evidence, well I would like yours on Derrick Jonshon
by darwithabar on Oct 13, 2009 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Demorrio has been more of an up and down player.
here is his tackle numbers the last 5 years. 56,127, 90, 78,62. Not missing a game in any of those years. I agree he should start and he is playing well. But if you tell me Mays should be starting over Derrick Johnson or even willims Starting over him your crazy.
by darwithabar on Oct 13, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The point he makes is that
He has been more consistent this year than DJ. DJ is not doing what he needs to do to be on the field. We just dont see his failings in practice.
I also agree goff should have started the year, but its time we move on and try alleman (sp, sorry, to lazy to check) I think O callahan is looking good at right tackle, though. Blocking looked better this week too.
Also, the spot Mays plays in the 3-4 is a totally diff position. DJ is not EVER going to be that guy, but call me crazy if you want…. :)
by The IT Guy on Oct 13, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Color me crazy too! :)
If we are going to compare what has happened in the past instead of how they are performing this year or if they are doing everything that is being asked of them, we have to remember that LJ has back to back 1700 yard seasons.
Apparently DJ isn’t performing to expectations or consistently or something. If he was outperforming Williams then DJ would be in there. No way is Haley going to cut his own throat or to coin a phrase: "Bite his nose off to spite his face.
by ttownmikey on Oct 13, 2009 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You may or may not be right about Haley cutting his own throat but...
From my seat, that looks to be exactly what he is doing with ALL of these moves. It’s not just about DJ. There is also LJ, and Goff as well as the fact that some of these other players should have a shot at playing. Let Lance Long take a few snaps as well as Savage, Lawrence, Battle etc. If you’re going to scrap the whole season (which it appears to be EXACTLY what he’s doing) you might as well take a look at all the young talent and see if any of these guys can play.
BTW: Maurice Leggett is dead to me.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Oct 13, 2009 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s easy for you to say that because they haven’t been successful. If O’Callaghan came in and wasn’t any better you would’ve been upset about that deal too.
by JComp11 on Oct 13, 2009 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How do you know how I would react???
I’ve been a supporter of ALL things Chiefs till the last couple weeks. I will not support a Coach who doesn’t deserve my support.
I hope he proves me wrong.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Oct 14, 2009 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I apologize, didn’t mean to get personal if I did. I thought we were having a good discussion. It just seems by your other posts that you disagree with everything Haley has done. My point, I guess, is that it’s easy to say we would make decisions, but how do we know that those decisions would be any better than what the current staff has done?
by JComp11 on Oct 14, 2009 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's A Valid Question
I don’t know that signing Jason Brown would be an upgrade over Niswanger, but I suspect that would have been the case. Ultimately all football discussions that branch into what we would have done as opposed to what was done are crapshoots, because ultimately it really isn’t possibly to predict the future with certainty.
On the other hand, looking at what was done with the Chiefs this offseason, I think it’s blindingly apparent that they haven’t turned out a better product than what the Chiefs had last year (which shouldn’t have been that tough to do considering Haley’s assessment of 2-14 teams).
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Oct 14, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree with that. This team looks much closer to being complete than last seasons did. We’ve been hearing the “few players away” argument for years, but this season it really looks to be that way.
It has to be taken into consideration that most teams that have a new coaching staff tend to struggle until they both completely buy in and get a feel for what the new staff is like. I think the first few games are indicative that the team is still in that stage. The drive to tie the game Sunday is something last years team would have never completed and little things like that are huge in the development of a young team.
It’s perfectly fine to question decisions that your favorite organization makes in every instance. Where it becomes a problem is when that questioning turns to insults. Everyone needs to keep in mind that it’s easy to look back and criticize decisions when what you would have decided will never actually be tested.
by JComp11 on Oct 14, 2009 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Complete?
They haven’t won a single game. They blew a game against what should be one of the two easiest teams on the schedule (and let JaMarcus Russell drive the field on them). This is not a football team that is remotely complete…they’ve gone backwards since last season.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Oct 14, 2009 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As For The Staff
I think that Haley’s struggles running the offense, the team’s abysmal rankings that Chris cited earlier, and Haley’s behavior on the sidelines (as well as his actions in the Philadelphia game) are probably going to carry more weight with the players than Haley getting in their faces or Haley’s buddies on the coaching staff comparing him to Parcells.
And that’s not a good thing.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Oct 14, 2009 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’ve brought up his behavior a dozen times and how it’s going to piss the players off, yet we have heard nothing but praise from both current and former players. When someone brings something negative to the table I will take that into consideration.
And it is MORE complete than last year. Last years team ran a gimmick offense and the defense couldn’t do jack. This years defense can at least look decent and the offense has shown, at least a few times, that in can move the ball with a more traditional system.
by JComp11 on Oct 14, 2009 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not From Larry Johnson
Who, frankly, has the least reason to bitch. He and Waters have both already had issues with the new regime. Both have alluded to the arrogance of the coaching staff in talking to the press. I suspect we’ll see more before long if the Chiefs don’t post a win.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Oct 14, 2009 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you’re using the report from Whitlock and LJ saying “Ego” for the basis of players being unhappy? Seems a little thin to me.
by JComp11 on Oct 14, 2009 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ummm
This years defense can at least look decent
They’re the worst defense in the league.
and the offense has shown, at least a few times, that in can move the ball with a more traditional system.
Their starting running back is the worst in the league and their overall offense is bottom three. They couldn’t even win a game that the Cowboys went to tremendous lengths to give to them. This team is, production-wise, indistinguishable from Herm Edwards’ teams…and in several ways it is a worse squad.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Oct 14, 2009 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate to admit it but, it's true.
This team shows NO improvement over last year. I’m not saying that won’t change soon but, for right now, that is a more than fair statement.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Oct 14, 2009 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree Craw..
This team has been more competive then the team last year for sure. The Raiders owned us last year.
by darwithabar on Oct 17, 2009 4:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But Last Year When They Owned Us
They had a better coach running the show. We beat them in the game where Cable was in charge.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Oct 17, 2009 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Goff
I’ll agree with CF1970’s point there. Alleman, Ndukwe, Smith, whoever…they may or may not be better than Goff but they’re a hell of a lot younger than Goff so there’s at least potential for them to improve. Goff, on the other hand, was brought in as a guy who’d add current ability to the line. He’s not providing that in any capacity. Frankly, he’s been terrible. So dump him and let someone younger take over because a) he’s not helping Matt Cassel or the running game by starting, b) he’s not a significant upgrade over any of the other linemen who could play in that role, and c) he’s not young enough to be part of the future here.
There’s no upside in continuing to play Goff. He’s just an old guy who can’t hack it anymore. Not to take away from his previous career, which was solid, but he’s not that guy anymore and he probably never will be again.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Oct 13, 2009 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
At this point I agree. I thought that we should give them a chance to play together before dismantling it all, but Goff has had that chance. I think it’s time to give Alleman a shot. I still think they were right to at least give Goff the shot, but his time is up.
by JComp11 on Oct 13, 2009 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Don't Have A Problem With Them Giving Goff A Shot
But keeping him in the lineup after his performance last week is indefensible. He’s done…he’s clearly done, and even a casual fan can see that. I don’t know why Haley can’t.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Oct 14, 2009 12:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn UC, I agreed with you twice in one week. I’m gonna have to cut that crap out!
by JComp11 on Oct 13, 2009 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably So
I don’t think you want to be at the point where I am with the team. I’ve followed the Chiefs religiously for 20 years and frankly for the last five years (counting this one) every season has been worse than the one before with no end in sight. I had hope for Pioli and Haley, but all I see anymore is two guys with a lot of big promises who are turning a miscoached 2-14 mess into a talentless reincarnation of the 1960 Dallas Cowboys because for some reason they seem more interested in dumping the previous regime’s players (whether they’ve got talent or not) than winning a single game this year.
We’re not just bad this year…we’re an expansion team. Quite possibly the worst team in Chiefs history. And there’s no reason for it…teams that gut themselves to that degree usually don’t come back. Only one I can think of that did was the ‘89 Cowboys, but we haven’t got a Herschel Walker trade in the offing (or even one player remotely as talented as Walker to deal).
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Oct 14, 2009 12:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And
Todd Haley’s no Jimmy Johnson. Not even close. Hell, so far he doesn’t even look to be another Mike Nolan or Scott Linehan.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Oct 14, 2009 12:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You see! You backed up your statement with some intelligent commentary
You’re no asshole! :)
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
by Buck'O on Oct 13, 2009 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was my whole point. He doesn’t need to say something is “bullshit” or call someone a “dumbass” to have intelligent conversation and argue your case. In fact, people are a lot more likely to take your opinion seriously if you don’t curse and let your emotions get to you.
by JComp11 on Oct 13, 2009 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Guilty
I’ll try to can my own negativity. It’s not easy to do, being a season ticket holder and watching each of these games in person. Hopefully I can be a good luck charm for the Chiefs in Redskinsville this weekend.
by GonzosDirtyTrailer on Oct 13, 2009 10:37 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree with this post...
I get frustrated when I see something like DJ is a fucking waste, With no evidence to back it up. But really, Is it that cool to ban people? Come on Now. Your killing me.
by darwithabar on Oct 13, 2009 10:57 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Sometimes They Don't Give You A Choice
Every community has its rules and some people just won’t respect the ones we put in place and cause a lot of friction with other people who try to respect the rules. So they get the boot just so they don’t drag everyone else into their games. Think of it as trimming up a nice lawn to keep it looking good.
Doesn’t mean that a ban is permanent…we do reinstate some people.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Oct 13, 2009 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no no no
your kind of missing the point…there’s NOTHING wrong with venting or yelling or screaming about our team. Your entitled to be pissed off or angry or whatever…you can bash Cassel or Bowe or the whole team or you can love them and defend them…it’s cool..
that’s not what the negativity is about…it’s negativity towards each other…you don’t have to tell someone their fucking stupid (unless you know the person and your cool with joking like that) or your posts suck and you should stop posting or your a jerk..
personal insults like that are useless and dont’ have anything to do with the Chiefs..no one said you had to write super sweet things about our crappy 0-5 team…there’s not much good to say so unless your a liar you can’t help but talk about the crappiness.
When Chris burman or anyone really on any sports channel analyzes the Chiefs, they don’t say anything good either…but they don’t hate the Chiefs, their just telling the truth…so when they point out how terrible we are right now, their just being honest…
say what you want, no moderator is going to ban you for talking your honest opinion of the Chiefs even if it’s not positive…just don’t aim your comments at people…people have a right to post and comment whether or not you like it or agree with it…
so how about this; just be nice!
by krayfish on Oct 13, 2009 1:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
For example:
Since I am a “homer” & tend to look for the positives & improvements (even though they may be the tiniest of baby steps) rather than to harp on each & every detail that might possibly be “negative”; I might possibly consider the following quote from kray’s comment to be a personal attack on my integrity:
there’s not much good to say so unless your a liar you can’t help but talk about the crappiness.
However, it isn’t necessarily aimed at me as an individual & could be directed towards a large portion of the posters on here whom are able to deal with the adversity & find something good in it; therefore, I’m not Offended by it (it wasn’t meant to be offensive to me) but others might be (as sensitive as some of us are geting!)
Also kray & I both realize that we are both Chiefs fans & are both hoping for the same end result but currently we are standing on opposite sides of the chasm that is currently Chiefs nation!
PS. A smiley face helps also! :)
by ttownmikey on Oct 13, 2009 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
NO QUOTING!!
TT is the anit-krayst..lol
by krayfish on Oct 13, 2009 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually the mods don't know when a lot of us are kidding the people we know
The mods know the people they know not all of us :)
I have had long discussions and some heated with some here and thus THEY know me.
But not everyone does.
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 13, 2009 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its true, I dont know you..
Thats 1 lol
by darwithabar on Oct 17, 2009 4:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if
my team was 0-5 i wouild feel the same way some of u feel we are all very passionate football fans we all want our teams to do well when i watch u team i see too many pentels bad tacklie weird play cailing the bottom line is u do not have enough eilte football players
okay i have cereal palsy arhrtis and chronic fatiue as well i have a grea life loveing folks some days are better that other days i got a make a wish in 2001 saw my favorive team the broncos was the trip of the lifetime i wish everyone couild gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that ok but i bleed organ and bule
by j-man on Oct 13, 2009 5:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Neither do the Broncs
They make up for that with good play calling and better coaching. I do think they are more talented, but no way they are one of the top 15 most talented teams.
by darwithabar on Oct 17, 2009 4:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
stop with the negativity
haley is a dumbass
by KC Masterpiece on Oct 13, 2009 7:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yah well could be worse...
Herm could still be the coach… Not saying one coach is better than the other but after last year I can’t even listen to Herm speak anymore. At least this team has at least a little bit of conviction as opposed to last years team that pretty much rolled over against everybody.
I know there were some close games last season but I NEVER thought KC would win when they played anyone except Oakland. At least this year I feel like there is at least a little bit of progress (a consistant QB and a kicker who can sometimes kick touchbacks) and there is at least a chance at an upset.
My gf is a Cowboys fan… If I can keep myself from blowing a gasket this Monday on here then so can anyone. :-)
I almost cried.
by Lucasjr5 on Oct 14, 2009 4:37 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
yah it still couldn't be worse though lucasjr5
0-5 is the worst you can do 5 games into a season….
by krayfish on Oct 14, 2009 12:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
When your team is a losing team...
Wins and losses aren’t all you should look at. Yes they are important but any team under playoff contention are looking (should be looking) at how they can improve and that is how I have to judge the Chiefs. When Herm was here we were talking about a rebuilding decade (and I thought the GM may have been stupid enough to let it happen). Now we are talking 2 or 3 years and if there is no improvement there will be more changes. Haley and Pioli have done so much talking that they wont get the patience other coaches and managers have had in the past.
Things may be bad right now, but for the most part we don’t have a QB controversy every week, and no matter what the record, for me that is a improvement. If Cassel shows nothing this year, maybe a legit controversy arises but hes been decent so far and just having a guy who is “the guy” is huge.
by Lucasjr5 on Oct 14, 2009 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ignoring Wins And Losses
Worst defense in the league. Starting running back who is getting 2.4 yards per carry. Offensive line that can’t protect the QB. 30th ranked offense in the NFL. Talent or performance issues for starting positions at RB, RT, RG, C, LG, LT, WR, TE, DE, DT, ILB, SS, and FS. Age issues at RB, RG, LG, OLB, SS.
Where are these bright spots we should be looking at?
but for the most part we don’t have a QB controversy every week
Not according to Haley the first two weeks of the season.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Oct 14, 2009 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Negativity is in the title of this post
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 14, 2009 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Negativity Towards Other Posters Was The Subject Of This Post
Not negativity when citing reality backed up by proof.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Oct 14, 2009 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True :)
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 14, 2009 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You just seem like your searching for something....
I dont agree with you one bit, We have young talent at LT, DT, DE, CB, QB, WR, RB, and K. We have 2 above average LBs, A solid LG, A couple guys that could add depth to our OL if we make a couple upgrades, and Ryan O Callohan looks like he could be a starter in this league so far. Seriously, I totally disagree. I hope I dont get in trouble for this but I think your emotions as a fan are clogging your mind and veiws of the team. Your taking the losses too personally ( and I take them bad) Why I think you and some other fans are taking them way to personally is this: The misfortune of OUR team is making your ability to look at any bright spot on the team totally inept. Seriously, I think you should take a break.
by darwithabar on Oct 17, 2009 4:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im talking to you U
I dont want to get a mix up with anyone else on here
by darwithabar on Oct 17, 2009 4:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We Have Potential At Some Positions
But right now Albert is playing terribly even when healthy (I don’t know what Muir is doing to him, but he seems to have regressed), I’ll disagree that we have talent at DT (Dorsey is now a DE…and I think Tank Tyler is just not that good of a player), we have talent at DE but it’s not doing well (I suspect that Krumrie is a factor in that more than the players), we have an old, washed-up starter at RB and a backup RB with potential that can’t hold onto the ball (and as much as I like Jamaal Charles, if he can’t stop fumbling he’s not an asset).
I do agree with the talent at CB and K. It appears that I may well have been wrong about Succop (we’ll see after the season) which I’m happy about and I’m hoping that the CBs will be better now that they have an actual DB coach-type checking in on them with Otis Smith (Clancy Pendergast, IMO, was not a help pulling double duty with them).
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Oct 17, 2009 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
More then you were wrong about Succopp....
You were wrong for likeing Barth, He is an OK Kicker but their are better ones like Succoup that can be had. Also, The CBs have been playing Good (Our Starters). Tank Tyler has 22 tackles. Its obviou that my prior statement is true and I stand by it.
by darwithabar on Oct 17, 2009 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rec
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 14, 2009 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am somewhat amazed by how many people have completely misinterpreted this post.
I really don’t know how much clearer Chris can make it.
Negativity is OK. This isn’t “Blow Smoke Up Your Ass” Pride.
All Chris is saying is do not be a trolling, douche spouting from the mouth without a constructive justification. It is just as true for the positive side. No one wants to see random, “CHIEFZ ROOL YALL KNOW IT,” posts any more than they want to see, “CHIEFZ R TEH SUXXORZ WAKE UP,” posts.
Really, if people just followed the commandments guidelines that have been posted/referenced ad nauseum regardless of bias, none of this would be necessary.
Since AP has never existed during a good Chiefs year, I would imagine the same amount of meaningless posts on the positive side would be generated. They are equally lacking in contribution.
What about the twinkie?
"All praise Chiefus."
by DThomasReigns on Oct 14, 2009 9:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Fine, Being a Fan is nothing more than debating the merits or errors of Our team.
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 14, 2009 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heh Heh
“Blow Smoke Up Your Ass” Pride…nice one, DTR. :)
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Oct 14, 2009 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you, thank you.
:)
What about the twinkie?
"All praise Chiefus."
by DThomasReigns on Oct 14, 2009 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can you actually do that?? I mean has anyone ever actually
had smoke blown up your ass?? Hmmm…oh well I’m just gonna get that image outta my mind right now…where were we again?
by krayfish on Oct 15, 2009 7:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Since AP has never existed during a good Chiefs year..."
December 31st, 2006, from Chris:
THE CHIEFS ARE IN THE PLAYOFFS!!!
THE CHIEFS ARE IN THE PLAYOFFS!!!
THE CHIEFS ARE IN THE PLAYOFFS!!!
THE CHIEFS ARE IN THE PLAYOFFS!!!
THE CHIEFS ARE IN THE PLAYOFFS!!!
THE CHIEFS ARE IN THE PLAYOFFS!!!
THE CHIEFS ARE IN THE PLAYOFFS!!!
by Joel Thorman on Oct 15, 2009 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ummm
We were terrible and backed into the playoffs in a ridiculous scenario…we then had our asses handed to us in the first round by the Colts…which was the worst offensive performance in playoffs history.
What about the twinkie?
"All praise Chiefus."
by DThomasReigns on Oct 15, 2009 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My comment above came off snarky
I didn’t mean it that way. Sorry about that.
What about the twinkie?
"All praise Chiefus."
by DThomasReigns on Oct 16, 2009 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yah we were bad then...we backed up like a mac truck into the playoffs
everyone else lost and we didn’t for once….it was all the stars lining up so we could go and get pistol whipped by the Colts….uggghhh!! That was the first year I knew things were really bad here in KC. Right then…that is when it all started…OMG~ save us haley!
by krayfish on Oct 16, 2009 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not much that would make me happier than beating the Colts in the playoffs, one day.
I gotta grudge goin’ back to the mid-90’s.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 17, 2009 1:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
cuase
denver gadded against a poor 4n team
okay i have cereal palsy arhrtis and chronic fatiue as well i have a grea life loveing folks some days are better that other days i got a make a wish in 2001 saw my favorive team the broncos was the trip of the lifetime i wish everyone couild gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that ok but i bleed organ and bule
by j-man on Oct 17, 2009 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
DTR R TEH SUXXORZ...
Don't forget to be an AP-vangelist...Tell A Friend...
by woodman212 on Oct 16, 2009 12:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Olive juice you too, woody.
What about the twinkie?
"All praise Chiefus."
by DThomasReigns on Oct 16, 2009 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I imagine
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 14, 2009 9:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That is again missing the point of this post.
Being critical of a factually and obviously terrible team is not a bad thing. Hank was talking about his players; they do need to do that. We do not.
Views critical of the team are equally as valid as the others.
What about the twinkie?
"All praise Chiefus."
by DThomasReigns on Oct 14, 2009 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I will follow the lead of AP
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 14, 2009 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i so love this post
ive been a silent LJ fan the past 2 years of coming here, yeah my date of registering might show since this past winter, but ive always had AP bookmarked since the whole LJ hold outs.
Im not gonna lie im a huge LJ fan and i wasn’t a chiefs fan until my 6th grade year when montana was traded to us from the 49ers, its been one hell of a ride going from crappy (lolbono) to exciting (xfactor) to what it is now.
I used to be able to watch all games with the nfl package with directv til this year. and watching all the negative comments in the live threads, just makes me turn up 101 the fox and listen to what they have to say about every play. not once have they bashed LJ, Cassel or the poor play calling or the offensive line, they keep the game as how it should be for all fans of our kc chiefs, completely Positive…….. so yeah im a big fan to this post because its the truth, how can we as chiefs fans stay positive with our team if others are gonna do as much as they can to tear that away from us.
Since when did chiefs fans turn into Yankees fans?
by LeaveLJalone419 on Oct 15, 2009 5:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Chris.
I’ve had a hard time coming around the site the last couple weeks, cause I can’t seem to read any of the posts without the negativity people have getting to me. Not a homer by any means, just get frustrated by the panic we seem to get. I sincerely hope this post has the intended result and people find some middle ground somewhere between the homers and the doom and gloom crowd.
by Archyrr on Oct 16, 2009 1:45 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No no no!
The point is both sides can prosper here, and become better for the contest of ideas and facts. Nothing wrong with (anti)advocacy, as long as you can back it up with more than empty trash talk or character assassination of other members, here.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 17, 2009 1:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed Chris
That’s why I frequent here a lot more often than another chiefs board which will remain nameless.
by B-unit on Oct 17, 2009 12:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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