Chiefs Coach Wants To Talk About Demorrio Williams, Not Derrick Johnson
by Joel Thorman on Oct 12, 2009 5:37 PM CDT
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For the last couple of weeks, when asked about the reason behind LB Derrick Johnson's diminishing playing time, Kansas City Chiefs head coach Todd Haley pulled out the line that the right 53, not necessarily the best 53, will play. He also said, on both occasions, that Johnson has been a little nicked up.
It's been a few weeks as DJ gets over a minor ankle sprain and a groin injury, and is seemingly healthy, so what gives?
Here's an exchange between Haley and a reporter when asked about DJ.
What is going on with Derrick Johnson? Just straight forward, he's healthy enough to play special teams but can't get onto the field.
"You're the Derrick Johnson question guy, aren't you? We're going to label you Derrick Johnson question guy," Haley responded. "There's a lot of factors that go into it.
"Right now, I'd rather you be talking about Demorrio Williams because that guy came out and played a heck of a game. They happen to play the same position. We're going to play the guys that give us the best chance to win. Period. Like I've said from the start."
There's more.
"53. Talk about him," Haley said a little stronger than usual. "That guy busts his butt. How many tackles did he have, do you know?"
Seven, the reporter responded.
"Good production. We'll play the guys that give us the best chance to win. Period."
So this week it's not a nicked up issue, it's a production issue?
"53 got a chance to play however he got in there and he's playing well and giving us a chance to win," he continued. "I thought Demorrio played a game good enough for us to win. He was one of the guys above the line of 'Did you play good enough to win, did you play in the middle somewhere and hold the fort, or did you probably hurt our chances to win? Demorrio was above that positive line."
The exchange certainly wasn't an overabundance of emotion, and it won't make national headlines, but it was one of the stronger responses we've heard from Haley since he was hired.
The question becomes, did Haley respond like that because:
A) He felt that strongly about Demorrio Williams' play
B) He was making a point to ignore Derrick Johnson
Judge for yourself by watching the video here (courtesy of David Eulitt of the Kansas City Star).
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I love how the media gives attention to one of our mediocre talents...
as if he’s a multi-pro bowler being sleighted by the coach. DJ has never been anything but an average NFL linebacker— he’ll make big plays here and there, then fall off the face of the earth to the point I’m checking the roster to see whether or not he was inactive for a game…
by jk86 on Oct 12, 2009 5:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
A lot of people seem bothered by Johnson being out of the lineup. Frankly, I don’t care whether he’s playing or not. He’s a mediocre player in a contract year and is unlikely to be re-signed. I don’t care whether they play him or not unless they are planning to sign him because he’s useless to the future here.
The only reason people think he’s valuable is because he was a first round pick…which doesn’t mean much because Carl Peterson made a lot of terrible first round picks.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Oct 12, 2009 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is good reason to be concerned and it doesn't have to do with DJ
DJ is arguably more physically talented than DW, so when he doesn’t meet his potential its disappointing. It wouldn’t be a big deal if it was just DJ, but all of our young players as a whole have not made the progress that we hoped and needed from them. Players such as Brandon Albert, Maurice Legget, Jamaal Charles, DJ, etc have seemingly not made ANY progress. THAT is concerning to me and it should be to every Chiefs fan. These guys should be part of the base we’re building on this team. If they’re not…
I don't want no Yo-Yos
by AK_47 on Oct 12, 2009 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It Concerns Me Too
More with the younger guys than with DJ. DJ’s been here for five years and I suspect that if he was that good, we would have seen it by now.
Of course, he’s had really terrible coaching for much of that time. But then if he can’t figure out a way to fit into what the coaching staff asks of him here, then he might as well be talentless because the coaching staff probably isn’t going anywhere by the time he’s a free agent.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Oct 12, 2009 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's pretty lame to blame the coaches
I don’t know why DJ isn’t working out. I was stunned to see that it’s been five years now. I can only remember one or two games where he played well. It’s amazing to realize this is his fifth season. I think it’s a very good sign that if Haley started him it would be the fifth year where we would hear after one game that Johnson finally had a break out game. If DJ hasn’t figured it out after 4+ seasons, he’s probably not going to.
The coaching excuse is particularly lame when you consider he has been with Gunther, and Gunther has been credited with bringing Keith Bulluck’s game to a high level.
by Big Chief on Oct 12, 2009 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of Course
Gunther was also working for a really good defensive coordinator at the time by the name of Jim Schwartz.
Frankly, after watching him do a terrible job with most of the linebackers who came through here the last five years I don’t think Gunther had much of an effect on Bulluck at all. I think he just lucked out in Tennessee by working for a boss who did most of the heavy lifting for him. I suspect that’s why nobody except the Chiefs was knocking down his door to offer a DC job while he was working for the Titans.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Oct 12, 2009 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Really, what gives Kansas City media? It seems like this reporter didn’t want to let the question go. Maybe trying to get a rise out of Haley? Because at this point I think everyone understands Haley’s logic. He wants someone solid he can rely on EVERY. WEEK.
Sheesh, the guy ain’t Tom Brady…
by jk86 on Oct 12, 2009 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haley was probably showing a little frustration with just that and thinking
“jeeze get over it all ready”
Yeah, let's just keep matriculatin' the ball down the field, boys! ...
by oldchiefsfan on Oct 12, 2009 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was trying to get an answer
I cannot blame the guy for asking a question in different ways to try to get a straight answer. Doesn’t mean Haley needs to answer it but we are getting a clearer picture…. DJ will not be with the Chiefs after this season. Don’t know why he wasn’t cut or traded yet but he is a waste of a roster spot at this point.
Predictions for 2009:
LJ runs for 1800 yards
Bowe in the pro bowl
Chiefs D finishes in the top 10 in points allowed
Chiefs 10-6
by bonesjackson on Oct 12, 2009 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 12, 2009 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not A Complete Waste
He’s depth if someone goes down. But if they’re dumping him after the year I don’t know why they wouldn’t try to trade him.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Oct 12, 2009 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would anyone really trade for him if his contract is up this year?
Seems like anyone interested would just wait.
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.
by Lanier63 on Oct 12, 2009 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trade his to who?
If his own team sees him as not worthy of starting it’s unlikely his play over the last few seasons is going to make someone else want him. I think there are better Derrick’s at LB waiting to be signed, unless I missed Brooks getting picked up. DJ is a high dollar draft pick who’s first contract is ending. Only the Raider’s would be stupid enough to make a trade like that, and even that’s unlikely.
by Big Chief on Oct 12, 2009 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry - meant "Trade him to whom?"
My HS English teacher would be pissed about the typo and improper grammar.
by Big Chief on Oct 12, 2009 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Buffalo lost
2 LB’s for the season this week-end including Kawika Mitchell. They might be an option/
by ttownmikey on Oct 12, 2009 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Saw That
They’re in terrible shape…but the potential firing of Dick Jauron this week renders their future plans pretty spotty. Don’t know if they’re interested in trading draft picks for a rental.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Oct 12, 2009 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i disagree about "only the raiders"
i dont think we should just look at the raiders be the only ones who might pull the trigger. i think that there r a lot of coaches and gms who r on the hot seat right now who need to win now. they dont care about draft picks for next season. they need players now. those r the teams we should look at as possible trade partners for any of our players.
by MountainManMike on Oct 12, 2009 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right - there are other clubs
who might be interested. The comments above about Buffalo and their LBs makes it feasible. But I would still wonder about a team willing to carry his salary and give up a draft pick for him, even a low one. Not unless they really saw something in him. There are still some LBs on the FA market right now who could probably come in for less money and no picks and be able to fill the gap.
by Big Chief on Oct 12, 2009 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Loved Haleys
response when the same reporter asked: “Did your wife question your choice to not go for two?”
Haley laughed & said: “No, she said I believe in you honey!”
by ttownmikey on Oct 12, 2009 5:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm split on Haleys handling of DJ
On the one hand, DJ has had opportunity after opportunity to become a great player and hasn’t done it. He shows up big time for a quarter and disappears for the next three.
On the other hand though, I think a good coach needs to figure out how to get that talent out of him and not just give up on him.
by ChiefDJ on Oct 12, 2009 6:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Moot Point, Unfortunately
He’s an unrestricted free agent after this season, and any contract he gets is probably going to be based off his athletic potential rather than his production. If the Chiefs don’t see enough in him to play him this year, they’re probably not going to put out much of an effort to keep him after this season, and so it doesn’t really matter if he’s not playing because management doesn’t believe in him so he won’t be part of the future.
I’m not saying management is right or wrong because I can see the merits on both sides…just that it’s a moot point unless they’re planning to keep him anyway.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Oct 12, 2009 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is no reason a good coach can't harness that athletic potential
That’s what I mean by they’re giving up on him. Doesn’t seem like they’re even trying. He’s not even coming in as a backup.
DJ has made enough big plays to see what he COULD be. Haley and Pendergast need to figure out how to get that out of him for four quarters.
Maybe they never will be able to, but I don’t think two games into the season is a long enough period to just throw your hands in the air. Just because he’s in a contract year isn’t a good reason to bail on him.
by ChiefDJ on Oct 12, 2009 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Agree
I’m just saying that if this coaching staff has zero interest in trying to develop him, then it doesn’t really matter whether he plays or not this year because he’s gone after this year because the team isn’t going to franchise him or invest a sizeable contract in him.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Oct 12, 2009 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And If DJ Goes On To Succeed Elsewhere Next Year
That’s a legitimate reason to say that the coaching staff did a terrible job using the tools they have. Assuming Clancy Pendergast’s previous five years of failure weren’t ammo enough. :)
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Oct 12, 2009 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"And If DJ Goes On To Succeed Elsewhere Next Year"
He will. They always do.
On a team that is so starved for talent, DJ should be playing. I probably don’t need to remind any of you that he has made the best 2 plays on defense of any player on our team this year. He is the fastest, most talented LB on this team and he is sitting on the bench for seemingly, no reason as far as I can tell.
This is exactly why I have jumped off of the Todd Haley Bandwagon. DJ, Savage, Engram, this shit does not make sense. Haley seems to be completely clueless when it comes to personnel decisions. No wonder we are 0-5
by Chiefsfan1970 on Oct 12, 2009 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Agree He Should Be Playing
But then I believe a lot of things that the current coaching staff apparently doesn’t. And if they weren’t 0-5 right now and hadn’t blown a game against the Raiders and quit on another game at halftime I’d probably be open to the idea that they weren’t a bunch of arrogant, incompetent buffoons who are running this team into the ground because they can’t see past their own egos.
But they are 0-5 and they’ve made a lot of questionable decisions and if Johnson ends up doing nothing here but thrives somewhere else I suppose we can just add it to the “Reasons Why Haley And Pioli Are Frauds” list.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Oct 12, 2009 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It sucks because I'm torn on Haley.
I like his attitude and toughness toward the players but, It seems like he doesn’t want to succeed. Benching your most talented players does NOT seem to be the formula for success in the game of football. Our record shows it.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Oct 12, 2009 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is there really a list?
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.
by Lanier63 on Oct 12, 2009 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As of now
He’s not a UFA, by the way. He’ll be a RFA (because I don’t see a new CBA getting done by then). The Chiefs can keep him and do it pretty cheaply.
by Joel Thorman on Oct 12, 2009 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dead Man Walking, Basically
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Oct 12, 2009 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does he fall into that category of being extended due to possibly no cap?
Do any of the Chiefs?
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 12, 2009 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope
He’s got more than four years of service time and so he squeezes in under the wire before the wait for unrestricted free agency goes to six years. If there’s no opportunity for him here, he’ll walk…only way we can keep him is if we franchise him, and that would take a much bigger contract than he’d be worth considering the Chiefs don’t seem interested in playing him.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Oct 12, 2009 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope
As I was saying above, DJ will not be a UFA after this season. Six years of service with no new CBA. I’ve read multiple items indicating that and national reporters discussing him being a RFA.
by Joel Thorman on Oct 12, 2009 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're Correct
Derrick Johnson has one more year after his current deal expires as a restricted free agent. I misread the NFL.com articles I read on it. Johnson just missed the cutoff.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Oct 12, 2009 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Outside Of Bowe
I don’t see any Chiefs who are worth a franchise tag. At least none who’ll be free agents in the next year.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Oct 12, 2009 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No i meant the extra year of servitude due to the collective bargaining agreement
is Bowe that pick or Hali?
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 12, 2009 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay answered already sorry
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 12, 2009 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bowe Won't Be A UFA Until After 2012
Hali until 2011. They’ll be restricted free agents once their contracts are up, if they’re up before those dates.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Oct 12, 2009 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
2005 Draft Class
Is the last one that benefits from the four years to UFA…2006 on have to wait six years.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Oct 12, 2009 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For along time I've noticed that
the media doesn’t ask questions for the average fan—-they get stuck on one thing and then find multiple ways to keep asking the same thing over and over—-usually has to do with a super star,first round pick or a usless big money guy. I wish they could get people to ask questions that make sense. Especially in training camp—-ask about the new players that may have some potential—-not the same tired garbage.
by route 66 on Oct 12, 2009 6:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
They probably do ask the question.
and then the interview gets cut for the STAR player interview
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 12, 2009 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Royals manager
I was just remembering the manager that went berserk and started throwing things. Maybe Haley needs to do that. Also maybe thats why Herm came up with his “You play to win the game” comment—-just to shut up the repititious questions.
by route 66 on Oct 12, 2009 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of Course
That was part of the reason Hal McRae got fired.
Temper tantrums like that don’t really help a coach out.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Oct 12, 2009 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was kidding
just saying someone needs to do something about the dumb questions.
by route 66 on Oct 12, 2009 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Best Defense I've Seen
Is just to stare at the person like they’re an idiot for about five to ten seconds, then move onto the next question.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Oct 12, 2009 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
or get the team to start winning...just sayin
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.
by Lanier63 on Oct 12, 2009 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That Too
But I’m sure that hasn’t occured to them yet…they still seem hung up on trying to announce their presence with authority rather than actually producing what they’re supposed to produce.
Ego.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Oct 12, 2009 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course the sad thing was the team went on a historic win streak after McRae's tirade and were in contention at the time of the strike.
Firing Hal McRae has to be one of the stupider things the Royals have done — and that’s saying a lot.
Toby is in HR, which technically means he works for corporate, so he's really not a part of our family. Also, he's divorced, so he's really not a part of his family.
by Rev. Slappy on Oct 12, 2009 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, Yes It Was
But the outburst wasn’t really a good thing for the coach, nor do I think it had that much of an effect on the team winning.
By the way, I quit on the Royals until David Glass sells the team or dies (or, if we’re lucky, dies as he’s selling the team). I’m completely convinced that the Royals will never amount to anything under that asshole’s ownership. It was a joke he was able to buy the team in the first place considering that there were better offers out there (but Bud Selig was his buddy, so he got to buy the team with a lowball offer). Herk Robinson and Allard Baird were terrible GMs, but Glass and his idiot son ran this team straight into the toilet with their meddling and I don’t see much reason to think Dayton Moore’s going to be a huge improvement. I suspect that the Glasses don’t actually care if (or even want) the team to be competitive because as long as they keep payroll low they’re able to pocket revenue sharing payouts from the teams with large payrolls.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Oct 12, 2009 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They always
seem to be stirring up controversy because that is what sells papers! For instance, the TO interview a couple of weeks ago where the reporter repeatedly asked the same question in various ways trying to get TO to throw Edwards under the bus! That is their job, not discovering what the average fan wants to know about.
by ttownmikey on Oct 12, 2009 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
TMZedia
"I will fight you!"
"What is your weapon?"
"My bare hands!"
"That is stupid. I will use a sword and I will cut off your bare hands."
by CT Chief Fan on Oct 12, 2009 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont really care either way in this case...
But I hate seeing first rounders go somewhere else….Seems like you should own them for life, good or bad…
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by woodman212 on Oct 12, 2009 6:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That sounds wrong...
I don’t support that, it just seems like that sometimes even with a mediocre guy like DJ…
Probly just don’t want to see him go somewhere else and prosper…
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by woodman212 on Oct 12, 2009 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uh like the LB that went to SD and came back and didn't perform.
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 12, 2009 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, like that one...
Lol
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by woodman212 on Oct 12, 2009 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He Performed When Healthy
He just couldn’t stay healthy.
Good old Carl Peterson, never afraid to sign a guy based off of what he once did rather than what he can be expected to do.
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Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Oct 12, 2009 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
With that one is was odd...because he let him go to begin with...
That was Vermeil or Robinson’s request though, i guess we learned later…correct?
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by woodman212 on Oct 12, 2009 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Donnie Edwards was damn good here before he left
That was a Carl mistake. Don’t insult Donnie by comparing him to DJ!!!
by Big Chief on Oct 12, 2009 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who Compared Him To DJ?
Only gripe I had about him was that Peterson overpaid him the second go-around because he was about done. Which isn’t a slam on Edwards, but on Peterson.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Oct 12, 2009 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you BigChief
I was having a Senior moment and couldn’t remember Donnie’s name.
It was definitaly unhappy with that move by Schottenheimer
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 12, 2009 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was more about seeing someone prosper elsewhere...
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by woodman212 on Oct 12, 2009 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah - that's always painful
Though I can’t remember the last guy we let go who did it besides Donnie Edwards. I don’t count Jared or Tony because they were trades (though Jared’s still burns).
by Big Chief on Oct 12, 2009 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Joe Horn
but we did get Roaf
Kawicka Mitchell, Lawrence Tines
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 12, 2009 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right about Horn
As for Mitchell and Tynes, I wouldn’t put them in that category. I was thinking of someone who was playing pro-bowl caliber once they left. While Mitchell is playing solidly, and Tynes is still playing, I wouldn’t put either of them in that category. But if you looked at it as guys who are good players and filling need positions for KC, you could perhaps justify them. Though I think Succop is going to make us glad we ditched Tynes.
by Big Chief on Oct 12, 2009 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haley likes being evasive
this makes Haley seem like he’s hiding something and it’s creating debate. Hailey has done well as a head coach (not necessarily as a offensive coordinator) but since is one area where he constantly fails. Marty was just as passionate, but he wouldn’t play constant mind games.
by xchiefsx on Oct 12, 2009 6:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The "I've Got A Secret Game"
It only impresses others when you use it to get wins. When your team’s 0-whatever, though, it just makes you look like an arrogant idiot.
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Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Oct 12, 2009 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Haley is reading this, the Derrick Johnson question guy is Nick Wright
and he knows nothing about pretty much any sport, especially football.
by jonnyu on Oct 12, 2009 6:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I like Nick Wright...
I dont listen much…but I have never really straight up disagreed like I have with others.
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by woodman212 on Oct 12, 2009 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe when #53 gets a sack and interception in limited play
the questions will be about him. Until that time, we should play the better players.
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Oct 12, 2009 6:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Buffalo is rumbling
What about DJ for TO?
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 12, 2009 6:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
As nice as it would be
To have a deep WR threat with Bowe, what good does it do when our QB will be laying on the ground after 2 seconds?
by Spiderwomn69 on Oct 12, 2009 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
HA!!!
Never happen. Not that Owens is worth anything anyway…he’s old and the wheels finally came off.
Now DJ, LJ, Goff, Wade and whoever for Marshawn Lynch on the other hand (or even Fred Jackson)… :)
(And yes, I realize that would never go through)
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Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Oct 12, 2009 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you cant say that
They dont even throw to TO. I dont think bringing him here would change anything other than he’d be a headache KC doesn’t need right now.
"I will fight you!"
"What is your weapon?"
"My bare hands!"
"That is stupid. I will use a sword and I will cut off your bare hands."
by CT Chief Fan on Oct 12, 2009 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He Couldn't Get Separation Last Year Either
That’s why the Cowboys dumped him, according to Stephen Jones. They knew that once his wheels came off, he’d point fingers at everyone but himself.
Plus, there have been only six receivers over the age of 35 who’ve posted 1,000 yard seasons…and four of them were named Jerry Rice. Owens is done.
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Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Oct 12, 2009 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i dont know
if he could ever tone down the ego he could be a solid #2 somewhere. So yes im making a big assumption that the humble pie could be done.
"I will fight you!"
"What is your weapon?"
"My bare hands!"
"That is stupid. I will use a sword and I will cut off your bare hands."
by CT Chief Fan on Oct 12, 2009 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good lord
it’s hard to take anyone seriously who could think that what this team needs it TO. This is a serious palm head moment.
by Big Chief on Oct 12, 2009 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
dude
i never said we need TO, please see above where i say hes a headache we dont need. Im talking in broad terms
"I will fight you!"
"What is your weapon?"
"My bare hands!"
"That is stupid. I will use a sword and I will cut off your bare hands."
by CT Chief Fan on Oct 12, 2009 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That wasn't aimed at you as much as others who did speak of it positively
just replied to you because it seemed most likely to be seen.
by Big Chief on Oct 12, 2009 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i take no offense
just wanted to make sure i wasnt giving off wrong impression
"I will fight you!"
"What is your weapon?"
"My bare hands!"
"That is stupid. I will use a sword and I will cut off your bare hands."
by CT Chief Fan on Oct 12, 2009 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah, no problem - like I said the way the threads work
it’s easy to lose if you respond to someone who already has several responses below it.
by Big Chief on Oct 12, 2009 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was a question
Buffalo seems to want to trade away TO and we need some targets and maybe some “Wag the Dog” here right now. DJ isn’t on the field so Why Not
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 12, 2009 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
PFT says otherwise
they had an article stating he was not on the block
"I will fight you!"
"What is your weapon?"
"My bare hands!"
"That is stupid. I will use a sword and I will cut off your bare hands."
by CT Chief Fan on Oct 12, 2009 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really? TO?
Unless he’s put on a lot of weight and can play C or RG I would say TO is about the last thing this team needs right now.
by Ryan in Nixa on Oct 13, 2009 8:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If You Don't Like His Opinion
Rebut it…but don’t start insulting the poster.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Oct 12, 2009 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
It is. You also misstated his actual argument.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Oct 12, 2009 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As I responded to him
it wasn’t actually aimed at him. Regardless I still disagree with your characterization of it as an insult, especially when you carry a moderator tag.
by Big Chief on Oct 12, 2009 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was the Ass
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 12, 2009 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just Pointing Out What I Saw As A Problem
If you disagree, you disagree but I’ve said my piece on it.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Oct 12, 2009 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Don't Think It Can
Terrell Owens is just a screwed up guy. If he could quit being a psycho prima donna headcase he would have done it back in Philadelphia where he had a great situation for himself.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Oct 12, 2009 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
even Me-Shawn
was able to set self aside and play in CAR playing second fiddle to Steve Smith, course that was for a year.
"I will fight you!"
"What is your weapon?"
"My bare hands!"
"That is stupid. I will use a sword and I will cut off your bare hands."
by CT Chief Fan on Oct 12, 2009 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
At The End Of His Career
Slowing down has a way of taking the ego out of a lot of players. :)
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Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Oct 12, 2009 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well
at least it set a precedent :) So it IS possible, unlikely probably
"I will fight you!"
"What is your weapon?"
"My bare hands!"
"That is stupid. I will use a sword and I will cut off your bare hands."
by CT Chief Fan on Oct 12, 2009 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Don't Think It Matters With Owens
Keyshawn was/is a selfish prick. Owens, I believe, is actually mentally unbalanced.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Oct 12, 2009 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i lol'd
if you saw any of his reality show you can this is true. But talent is still talent, until he literally falls apart like Rice , and lets be honest the guy keeps himself in shape really well, i dont think the wheels are falling off this soon
"I will fight you!"
"What is your weapon?"
"My bare hands!"
"That is stupid. I will use a sword and I will cut off your bare hands."
by CT Chief Fan on Oct 12, 2009 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He Didn't Look Good Last Year In Dallas In An Offense Tailored To Him
He had trouble getting separation from receivers and he had trouble getting off the line against more physical players.
I honestly believe that while Buffalo’s offense is terrible, most of Owens’ problems are age-related, not offense related. I think Buffalo bought Owens a year past his expiration date.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Oct 12, 2009 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As For Working Out
Larry Johnson worked out a lot this offseason too and he’s still terrible. Old is just old…you can do things to try and slow the progression of time for awhile, but eventually all the exercise in the world still isn’t going to keep you from getting old. And 36 for a WR isn’t just old…it’s ancient.
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Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Oct 12, 2009 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well Roscoe Parrish is another thought
yet I would want a pick 4-5 along with Parrish for DJ
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 12, 2009 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, I thought of that too
I wouldn’t cry too much over that trade…
except for the fact that the Chiefs have no depth at DJs position if the’s traded
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Oct 12, 2009 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We have no backup OT's either:)
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 12, 2009 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly
and THAT can’t last, either
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Oct 12, 2009 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sure it can
never underestimate the power of stupidity of people in power
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Oct 12, 2009 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
DO NOT WANT!
Desperately hoping for Desperate Measures
by averagegatsby on Oct 12, 2009 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is a Contract Year for DJ
Did you ever think that maybe they plan on keeping him and know he is a talent, but are trying to keep his value down in order to not have to pay him as much to resign him?
Just a thought…
by Skrappy on Oct 12, 2009 6:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Won't Happen
The only leverage they have on him is the franchise tag…if they try to play that game, he’ll just leave and go somewhere else. Why deal with a team who tries to screw you like that when you can just walk away? Especially when the team’s not going anywhere?
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Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Oct 12, 2009 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
By Which I Mean
Unless they’re willing to franchise him (which they aren’t), the Chiefs have no leverage and trying to knock down his value like that would only insure he won’t re-sign.
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Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Oct 12, 2009 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Besides if they wanted to bring his value down that would completely defeat the purpose of the franchise tag.
By Franchising him he would be one of the highest paid linebackers in the league. It would be better to get a premier season out of him if possible then either sign him, or trade him at the end of the season.
Desperately hoping for Desperate Measures
by averagegatsby on Oct 12, 2009 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They Can't Trade Him At Season's End
They’ve got to do it by week 6.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Oct 12, 2009 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting...I would not put anything past coaches...
Coaches that say they will do everything they can to win are full of crap…when they have reasons not to…
I remember the story about the Herschel Walker trade that some of the journeymen they got out of the deal…if they didnt play or got cut, the draft picks were higher. So Johnson cut them or didn’t play them and played scrubs instead. It is nothing new for coaches to blow off a season for the future…
In this case, he can SAY that 53 gives them the best chance to win…but DJ had impact plays in the games he played…including a near defensive touchdown…Sounds like nonsense to me
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by woodman212 on Oct 12, 2009 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Herschel Walker Trade Went Like This
The Vikings gave the Cowboys five players they didn’t need. Most of them were journeyman who were better than anyone Dallas had but were just so-so NFL players. There was, however, a clause…each player was assigned a draft pick value (involving two first-rounders, three seconds and a third total). So if any of those players weren’t on the Cowboys roster by the beginning of the next season, the Cowboys got the draft pick from the Vikings instead. Basically, Mike Lynn (Vikings GM) assumed that the Cowboys would take the players and not the picks because, well, Mike Lynn was a moron.
Once the trade was consummated, Johnson then told Lynn he planned to dump every single one of those player…Lynn reportedly went ballistic.
Dumbest trade ever on the part of the Vikings. Completely destroyed their future.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Oct 12, 2009 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Clarification
So if any of those players weren’t on the Cowboys roster by the beginning of the next season, the Cowboys got the draft pick value from the Vikings for each player cut instead
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Oct 12, 2009 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Correct...
Point affirmed…that coaches don’t always do what they can to win now, despite what they say….
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by woodman212 on Oct 12, 2009 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He Did Re-Sign At Least One Of Those Players Though After They Were Cut
Issaic Holt…played on one of the Cowboys’ Super Bowl teams.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Oct 12, 2009 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and
Herschel was in Philly 4 years later
"I will fight you!"
"What is your weapon?"
"My bare hands!"
"That is stupid. I will use a sword and I will cut off your bare hands."
by CT Chief Fan on Oct 12, 2009 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
see, this is the kind of ridiculous, arrogant nonsense that I hate about Haley ...
… and I am sick of this “right 53” crap because there is no way LJ is part of the “right 53” that gives the team the BEST chance to win …
none of this makes sense unless you figure that the entire season is a waste from the get-go and the only thing they are doing is “talent evaluation” (oh, and let’s see who can such it up and shut-up when asked questions … who are the “company” guys and who are the rest)
and yanno, I have no issues with it being a wasted year of evaluating players, if they’d only be honest and tell us that … but, oh yeah, they do have tickets to sell, right
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Oct 12, 2009 6:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
the only thing i can think of
LJ continuously running into the asses of our OL or striving for those 1 yard gains is: at least we get some value for our PA passes….
"I will fight you!"
"What is your weapon?"
"My bare hands!"
"That is stupid. I will use a sword and I will cut off your bare hands."
by CT Chief Fan on Oct 12, 2009 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
Why do you need us?
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 12, 2009 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The whole DJ thing is a joke. He is one of two D playmakers...
…and on his best day DW isn’t any good. 0-5 and the ‘best chance to win’ mantra doesn’t work.
by FrankPitts on Oct 12, 2009 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
J don't think
the NFL would allow them to say that this is an evaluation year due to the financial implications!
by ttownmikey on Oct 12, 2009 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sure looks that way, though ...
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Oct 12, 2009 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unrelated...
But did anyone hear Mort a bit ago? The Chiefs were going to experiment with Thigpen at WR until they traded him…?
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by woodman212 on Oct 12, 2009 6:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ah, he must of read my comments :)
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 12, 2009 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You were talking about a different kind of experimenting with Thigpen...
You know…if he is in to skeletons then who knows…right?
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by woodman212 on Oct 12, 2009 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe my Halloween party
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 12, 2009 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You did miss some time and I did say it
lol
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 12, 2009 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
dear God
how embarrassing for him and KC if thats true….
"I will fight you!"
"What is your weapon?"
"My bare hands!"
"That is stupid. I will use a sword and I will cut off your bare hands."
by CT Chief Fan on Oct 12, 2009 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's Mort
According to him, Shanahan is our coach. Mort’s a liar.
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Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Oct 12, 2009 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Indeed
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by woodman212 on Oct 12, 2009 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont get all the man love for DJ...
There is more to playing LBer than athletic ability. If he is not doing a good job of play recognition and is always out of position, only to make the occasional play because of his athletic ability, that isn’t good enough for me. I want smart disciplined players more than athletic irresponsible players. Fact of the matter is, with his athleticism he should be making a lot more plays than the occasional play that he does make. So if Demario is always in the right place and does his job then so be it.
Desperately hoping for Desperate Measures
by averagegatsby on Oct 12, 2009 6:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Demorrio's Brain and DJ's Body
Howsweetitcouldbe
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 12, 2009 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ray Lewis?
My biggest fear actually is that DJ goes to Baltimore and learns how to be a good linebacker from Ray Lewis… Becoming a dominant force.
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by averagegatsby on Oct 12, 2009 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thing Is
If the current coaching staff isn’t willing to give him a chance to even play, then he’s not going to do that here no matter if he’s got the ability or not.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Oct 12, 2009 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
He wants out of here
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 12, 2009 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know
I think if DJ were to start showing it in practice he’d get more shots in the game. In fact, it would seem his demotion must at least in part be based on how he prepares.
by Big Chief on Oct 12, 2009 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i hear rudy is still available.
by MountainManMike on Oct 12, 2009 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Demorrio had the same injury issues with Herm
yet saw the writing on the wall and the age creep and learned to do it the way the coaches wanted it done. not necessarily better but DJ ain’t even trying is the problem
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 12, 2009 6:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
here's what I don't get
It seems to me like DJ is a perfect fit for that position.
He’s good in coverage, he can blitz and get to the QB, he’s fast enough to chase down plays, etc. That’s the EXACT description of the weakside ILB position, right?
People say he’s not “consistent”… but how do you get “consistent” unless you’re consistently playing???
All he’s done this season is make plays when he was in there, right? Name some plays where he made mistakes?
I’ve been taking Haley’s word for the fact that he’s been injured, and the fact that Williams is playing well… but, seriously, I’m not sure what else DJ can/should do.
He’s a good player, with the ability to make game changing plays. The Chiefs aren’t exactly overloaded with those kinds of guys.
EVEN if Demorrio is playing great… why wouldn’t DJ be in a rotation with him?
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Oct 12, 2009 7:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
From DJ's interview
a couple of weeks ago, it just seemed like he was here to draw a check & then check out the free agent market elsewhere next year & didn’t seem too concerned about whether he was playing or not. I would think that he’d be doing everything possible to be getting on the field & showcasing his talents but he sure didn’t give that impression during the interview!
by ttownmikey on Oct 12, 2009 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and he should do what about it, march into Haley's office and DEMAND more playing time?
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Oct 12, 2009 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He said that ain't his way
Football ain’t for the meek
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 12, 2009 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
true dat
but how many LBs do we have with INTs this year? and how many with a 70 yd return on an INT … well, we know the answer to that one
maybe he’s TOO good and he’s hurting us against the weekly spread, who knows … whatever it is, it’s a shame that Haley thinks he has to play this “right 53 game” like reporters (and fans) don’t need or DESERVE a straight and/or honest answer
UC said it best: … if Johnson ends up doing nothing here but thrives somewhere else I suppose we can just add it to the "Reasons Why Haley And Pioli Are Frauds" list
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Oct 12, 2009 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When will the best 53 become the right 53?
I mean the objective is to win the damn game not win the hearts and minds of the league.
by BCRavenJHawkfan on Oct 12, 2009 7:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Oct 12, 2009 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What letters from the League don't equate to wins?
Maybe we should have got one for the fumble that was
bq.Blown Dead
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 12, 2009 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
BC, good question and I suppose you COULD ask Haley, but then ...
you already know the answer (translation: you don’t NEED to know anything and how DARE you ask questions!)
now, me … I was taught, way back when I was an impressionable teenager, that one SHOULD question authority … taught that by, of course, an authority figure
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by upamtn on Oct 12, 2009 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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