What Do Chiefs Fans Think About Tyson Jackson So Far?

the picture is fitting

the only time you hear his name is during introductions…definitely less hyped than Dorsey

by xchiefsx on Oct 12, 2009 7:20 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I believe Dorsey and Tyson and Hali would have Pro Bowl years if we only had ONE superstar to aleviate the pressure so they could get to work. Look at Ware this year…without Ellis…he ain’t doin’ what he usually does.

One Derrick Thomas can make a Neil Smith a pro bowler…ok? We Have to get ONE superstar stud…look at the impact Haynesworth’s absence has had on Tennessee…the whold D is suffering because of it.

Hey for real, if we had a Haynesworth Jared allen Seymour type player…the O lines of opposing teams would have to pay him attention and that would free up some of our other guys to bust it loose. We’re close…but our secondary can’t cover for 20 seconds straight. I could get open with that much time….we can’t pass rush effectively without one main super stud to balance it all out. If we aggressively seek one this off season after our guys have had a year to play in this new 3-4 and get better with it…we will have a top 5 defense and I swear on that…

and I don’t hand out compliments very often, but our D is honestly ONE big player away from being one hell of a D. Our O line?? well that’s different. we could sell the whole line and start over as far as I’m concerned. we’re awful on the o line still, but much improved since Philly to be sure.

I like Tyson, but unlike Curry he isn’t surrounded by a veteran high performance set of team mates. Our best guy is Vrabel and he’s slow compared to his old self. So Tyson will kick ass when we get him a stud to open it up for him.

by krayfish on Oct 12, 2009 7:35 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Neil Smith was a pro bowler w/o #58

and Hali isn’t in the same category, solid but he’s never posted more than 8 sacks in a season. Dorsey or Tyson could eventually turn into a Haynesworth or Seymour given enough patience.

by xchiefsx on Oct 12, 2009 8:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well Smith only made the pro bowl 1 year without DT

and his numbers weren’t that good. Only had 8.5 sacks 1FF and 29 tkls
Hali’s rookie numbers 8 sacks 5FF and 45 tkls

Chiefs set an NFL record,most roster changes in 1 season.

by bringbacktheglory on Oct 12, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Of Course By That Point

He was a pretty old player too. But yes, it’s a valid point that Thomas may have been a bigger factor in Smith’s success than Smith’s talent…especially considering what we saw happen with Hali and Jared Allen.

Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.

by UCrawford on Oct 12, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Percentage of plays

I didn’t watch the whole game yesterday, and generally have difficulty ID’ng the players on the line due to camera angles anyway, how much does Jackson play? I think I saw him coming off the field on 3rd down once. Don’t know if that’s typical or part of the nickel or just happened to see him leave on a rotation?

by Kane on Oct 12, 2009 8:02 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Too early to tell

D-lineman do take a year or two to develop. Dorsey is starting to show signs of progress by being around the ball. Jackson will get there.

by golfbard on Oct 12, 2009 8:07 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I am about to write some things many will not like.

I have calmed down from yesterday as I am sure many have. Originally I thought there were quite a few good things, now not so much.

Why? Because in truth our best player yesterday was Dallas. Their penalties helped us more than any one of our players (I know Cassel played a respecatable game), but be honest, Dallas killed themselves on offense just as much as anything our defense could muster.

We have no explosive play makers on either side of the ball! Yes Cassel is a solid QB but he can’t go out and catch his own passes and break tackles or blaze down sidelines. You get my drift?

by BCRavenJHawkfan on Oct 12, 2009 8:36 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I disagree totally...

This is a young defense, You cant put all of dallas’ mistakes soley on dallas. Our Defense caused fumbles and intimidated the cowboys O line in the first half. We do have young talent on this team. The reason Elvis Dummerville has time to get to the QB and Hali doesnt is because of the secondary. We lack a pass coverage safety. If we had a Safety our defense would be complete. Maybe another CB.

by darwithabar on Oct 12, 2009 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

So all the penalties on Flozell Adams

was KC defensive intimidation? Never mind the fact he has a proven track record of doing the same thing in every other game so far.

And how did our defense cause those Dallas fumbles? In the game I watched the Dallas center and Dallas QB botched the snap. In the game I watched the Dallas kick return player muffed the catch. Did I see it wrong? Tell me which KC players made the hits that caused these fumbles?

I will give credit to our defense for making the recovery.

by BCRavenJHawkfan on Oct 12, 2009 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

obviously you watched a different game (grinning)

Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!

by upamtn on Oct 12, 2009 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I disagree totally

and I agree with BCRaven.

Flozell Adams has had alot of trouble this season. Our defense did nothing to ‘intimidate’ him.

None of our players CAUSED the fumbles. They were botched balls and we happened to fall on them.

The problem isnt the secondary, and I question how you came to that decision. Defensive lines CAN be successful because of the secondary, but its rare now days. Normally, a secondary is good because the defensive line/pass rush is good. Force the QB into bad throws and turnovers can be caused. Any QB in the NFL WILL pick us apart until we get some pressure on him. We dont even necessarily HAVE to get the sacks..we just need the pressure.

by Petey14 on Oct 12, 2009 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed

Defensive success flows from the lines outward…if you’ve got a terrible d-line and your DBs aren’t giving up a lot of yardage, that’s more an indicator that the team’s not doing well at stopping the run or the underneath passes rather than the DBs are doing a great job. If you can’t exert pressure on the QB or stuff the run, you can’t win consistently…no matter how talented your defensive backfield is.

Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.

by UCrawford on Oct 12, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yezzzzir

The best secondary in the league couldnt succeed on this team. No secondary can stop any team from passing if the QB has all day to throw.

by Petey14 on Oct 13, 2009 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yes and No

Dallas penalties and turnovers did keep the Chiefs in the game, but i think KC has playmakers in Bowe and Flowers. Bowe isn’t targeted enough and he can easily push forward a couple extra yards after the catch. Flowers gets a lot of respect from teams as he is far and away the best man in the secondary.

by xchiefsx on Oct 12, 2009 8:49 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I see your point and can agree on these examples.

Although I wonder if Bowe can be really explosive. Don’t get me wrong, I very much like what I see with him. But I never get the feeling a throw to him could go all the way. And I know I am jaded right now because of yesterdays events of watching another teams players explode for big touchdowns.

by BCRavenJHawkfan on Oct 12, 2009 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Bowe is not an explosive type WR.

However, as a possession receiver, he is as good they come. I don’t see him getting a lot of YAC yardage but, if you throw it up to him, he can win the jump ball almost everytime, even against the best DBs.

by Chiefsfan1970 on Oct 12, 2009 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I Don't Know If That's True

Larry Fitzgerald isn’t a burner either with pure speed, but he’s been a good player for YAC. In fact, I did at one point during this game think how much Bowe’s game reminds me of Fitzgerald’s (although he’s still got a ways to go to be as good…but there’s potential).

Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.

by UCrawford on Oct 12, 2009 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

What's up UC

I know what your’e saying and I think it is very fair to equate Bowe’s style of play to Fitzgerald (although, like you said, he’s not as good yet) Bowe’s YAC yards will never come from his speed but, it can come from his ability to break tackles.

It looked like Bowe was back to 100% yesterday after his injury. That is a good thing.

by Chiefsfan1970 on Oct 12, 2009 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed

I’m happy to see him healthy too…and he and Cassel seem to be building a much better rapport now that Haley seems done with his stupid benching games with Bowe (so now Bowe and Cassel can practice with each other).

Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.

by UCrawford on Oct 12, 2009 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Good First Option

He’s doing what he needs to do as a rookie,,,but I’m not about to project him for the Hall of Fame.

What he really needs is a new defensive line coach, though. And a new defensive coordinator. I’m absolutely convinced of that,

Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.

by UCrawford on Oct 12, 2009 9:36 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Totally Agree

I think Krumrie has had his chances and had tons of young talent that has never panned out. At some point, there has to be a change in the coaching staff.

As far as Pendergast, I am unimpressed. He brings the house on nearly every third and 5 or 6 and the offense just goes to the hot route (which is wide open because we have no coverage linebackers). I am just tired of seeing us rush 6 or 7 and get no F’N pressure!

It is a new Era at Arrowhead. I do not yet know if it is one of greatness or one of ineptitude. I am excited to see which way it goes, and will support my team until the end, bitter or sweet!

by KC4Life on Oct 12, 2009 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I Went Through Krumrie's History Last Year

He’s only ever developed one rookie lineman who went on to post double digit sacks in a season. He was a good defensive lineman as a player, but his record as a coach developing line talent over his career has been pretty terrible.

Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.

by UCrawford on Oct 12, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

That's what I don't get

We went through and entire organizational change and retained this bum!

And hired a D coordinator that got fired after the superbowl, what did we think was gonna happen!

It is a new Era at Arrowhead. I do not yet know if it is one of greatness or one of ineptitude. I am excited to see which way it goes, and will support my team until the end, bitter or sweet!

by KC4Life on Oct 12, 2009 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

That's why I believe Pioli isn't as qualified as we all thought

No GM would hire a bunch of retread defensive coaches to coach our defense..That’s just idiotic

Hiring Haley was suspect as well..I really like the guys attitude and demeanor..But his play calling has been suspect…

The fact that Jamal Charles isn’t playing 90% of the time really makes me scratch my head…Sure Jamal has a fumbling problem, but the guy is one of our only play makers…He has the ability to get first downs every time he touches the ball..

by CALIFAN1986 on Oct 12, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Another heartbreaker

Lets face it, the Cowboys played as bad as the Chiefs yesterday. Unforced errors, dropped passes and numerous penalties are the only reason the Chiefs were in the game. The only positive was that the Chiefs took advantage of the two turnovers scoring 10 points off of them.

Facing what has got to be the worst offensive line in pro football, the Dallas D was so gung ho to get to our QB they kept jumping off sides.

Legget is and will be the target of choice for every team the Chiefs will face this season when they are not completing passes to the always open tight end. Jackson and others on the D line need to find a way to get to the QB. Pendergrast, or however you spell his name, needs to drop the all-out-blitz from his play calling. The blitz has produced nothing except big plays for opposing offenses. Poor tackling by the secondary needs to be corrected and soon.

Chiefs D has been good versus the run since the Ravens game, but until the pass defense improves this unit will continue to struggle.

Johnson, LJ and Waters, Brian need to be replaced now if not sooner.

by chief66 on Oct 12, 2009 9:53 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Give him a year...

I say give Tyson Jackson a year and he will start to come around. Mario Williams didn’t look that good when he first showed up at Houston. If the Chiefs draft a big DT next year I think that will open up things for the defense. I think Glenn Dorsey looks a lot better this year. He was pretty hyped last year and didn’t do that much, but his stats were very close to what Warren Sapp did as a rookie. If Dorsey would have wrapped up Barber better he would have had a safety. I think our defensive line needs another big player at NT and things will start to come around for it. I think the secondary needs some help though. Flowers is good and I feel he is the only top threat we have in the backfield. Page and Carr are good supporting cast, but Leggett sucks (he couldn’t wrap up Miles Austin if his life depended on it), and the jury is still out on Mike Brown. The DEF is getting better, but still has some maturing to do.

On the offensive side…the line is abismal. The Chiefs need to draft a good LT and move Albert to G (cause Brian Waters isn’t going to play too much longer). What is with Colin Brown? I want to see him play.

So what will the priority be for the draft? We need a good OL (or two or three), a NT, a DB, maybe a good OLB or ILB (wish we would have taken Curry for this, but oh well).

by JASiege on Oct 12, 2009 10:05 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Rookie shmookie

Everyone around here defends Dorsey and Jackson because it takes “many many years” to develop DT’s. How come Peria Jerry can step into Atlanta and immediately become an absolute stud? (Until of course he got hurt)

RIP Bodhi - Not tragic to die doing what you love. You want the ultimate thrill, you gotta be willing to pay the ultimate price.

by craig in calgary on Oct 12, 2009 10:36 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Neil Smith Wasn't Good His Rookie Year

Neither were Warren Sapp or Mario Williams. Sometimes it takes a year for linemen to catch on…Dorsey’s been okay all things considered (position switch, coaching, overall defense), but considering where he was drafted it’s fair to say he’s been a bust. I’m willing to give Jackson a year.

Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.

by UCrawford on Oct 12, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

It has to be about coaching

Look at the front 7, They are essentially all early round draft picks. (Hell I’ll the whole Defense is made of young “can’t miss prospects”). What is more probable, that the Chiefs wiffed on 11 draft picks, or they don’t have adequate coaches to put them in good situations?

Go to hell Clancy Pendergast

RIP Bodhi - Not tragic to die doing what you love. You want the ultimate thrill, you gotta be willing to pay the ultimate price.

by craig in calgary on Oct 12, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'd Say Both

I don’t think Tank Tyler is all that good, Dorsey was drafted to play a position the Chiefs no longer have, and Tyson Jackson isn’t anyone’s idea at this point of the second coming of Bruce Smith or Reggie White (or even Jared Allen). And as long as Krumrie’s coaching the line, I don’t really have much faith in any of them reaching their full potential…nor do I think Pendergast will put them in situations to succeed.

A lot of guys coaching this Chiefs’ defense who should be looking for new jobs after the season’s up…hopefully they were just hired as stopgaps.

Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.

by UCrawford on Oct 12, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree on the coach's

With the late start Haley had to take what was available, I think we will see some new ones next year.

Chiefs set an NFL record,most roster changes in 1 season.

by bringbacktheglory on Oct 12, 2009 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

True!

I’m not impressed with Pendergast or any of the Defensive coaches.

by JASiege on Oct 12, 2009 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

This draft was NOT PRETTY

It if weren’t for Succop turning out to be good..I would say this draft was a failure

Bill Polian from Indy would have been a better GM IMO

by CALIFAN1986 on Oct 12, 2009 1:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Pretty sure Tyson Jackson will only be this...

Pick Analysis:

The Chiefs pick up the best 3-4 defensive end on the board with their selection of Jackson. Though the pick was a bit of a surprise, Jackson gives the team a stout player on the edge capable of occupying multiple blockers at the point of attack.

by butchcassidy on Oct 12, 2009 3:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs