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Larry Johnson is the real problem with this offense

Okay. The game against the Cowboys proved my theory once and for all. Larry Johnson is arrogant, slow, one dimensional, and plays with no heart. Nearly every single run he fell down at the line of scrimmage, or gained a max of 3 yards. There were a few outside runs that he got more. But with a guy like Charles sitting on our bench, coming in and making a 9 yard gain (with the same offensive line LJ was using) is incredible. We need to start Charles. Why is LJ the only running back that hasn't been inactive this year? He is the problem. He's unreliable in every aspect of the game, and it hurts us to have him. The littlest touch will bring him down. He can't be thrown to, he can't run through people anymore, he walks around calmly with a "I want my paycheck" swagger. Bring Charles in, and let him play. The kid will make plays.

 

I'm done with LJ. He costs us too much. I'm not saying we lost today because of him, but there were significant plays in this game that Johnson was involved in that went nowhere, and throwing Charles in the same situation would've made a better outcome. I don't care what anyone says about the offensive line. It sucks. We know. But when you have Cassel sitting back there with a big X on his back taking shots from defenders (he was hit or sacked 26/34 times he dropped back to pass) and still getting up, I believe he deserves more than pitiful Larry Johnson out there helping him.


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Should LJ be benched in favor for Charles?
Yes, no doubt
128 votes
Hell no
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Larry might not be great

but give me a break. If anyone watching this team still doesn’t think the line is the A #1 problem they are delusional. Larry is a downhill runner. He needs to get to the 2nd level to do any damage.

I agree that we need to use Charles and Savage. Not because I think Larry sucks but because they have cut back ability that Larry does not. Faster shiftier RB’s are our only hope to have any running game behind this o line.

Behind this line, no matter who we are playing, we will struggle to move the ball.

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by Patrick Allen on Oct 11, 2009 7:19 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Amazing

You blast me for writting a real critique of Cassel and give this guy a something like this answer on his troll like rant on LJ?

Predictions for 2009:

LJ runs for 1800 yards
Bowe in the pro bowl
Chiefs D finishes in the top 10 in points allowed
Chiefs 10-6

by bonesjackson on Oct 11, 2009 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey

Knock it off…if you’ve got a problem with something Patrick wrote, dispute his arguments but don’t get into the personal attacks. I’m not familiar with what Patrick said to you earlier, but if he did the same to you then he was also wrong.

Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.

by UCrawford on Oct 11, 2009 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree that its not just LJ

But just like i’d love to see Derrick Johnson play defense, I’d love to unleash Charles for a game to see what happens. Johnson is our best linebacker and he was playing special teams the whole game.

by TonylovesKC on Oct 12, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I Think Larry Johnson Is Finished As A Player

If he can’t get yards against a not-very-good Dallas run D, then he’s probably not going to get yards against very many teams. The guy looks slow and washed up.

But even then I wouldn’t say that he’s the “real” problem with this offense. There are a lot of others, most of them revolving around the o-line.

Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.

by UCrawford on Oct 11, 2009 7:48 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

And Yes, He Should Be Benched

If not for Charles (if he continues to fumble) then for Battle, Savage or whoever else. He’s shown very little this year and there’s little reason to believe that he’s going to turn it around considering his age and declining performance the last two years (he was terrible last year in all but four games).

Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.

by UCrawford on Oct 11, 2009 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

been saying the same thing for weeks now, but when I do I (often) get slammed ...

he’s lost more than a step as well as some “power” and, I’d wager; a lot of “drive” – amazing how often a player in whatever sport will be totally awesome until he gets that one huge contract, and then …

well, again today LJ was less than awesome … I agree we have a horrendous O-Line, but to keep tossing doing the same thing over and over again while expecting different results is the classic definition … shall we say “misguided”

at this point the Chiefs have nothing to lose and yards to gain by starting Charles … as for his not hanging on to the rock, well … I don’t recall him fumbling the ball today

Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!

by upamtn on Oct 11, 2009 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It Happens

People are a lot more willing to forgive you for being wrong than they are to forgive you for being right. I’ve been ripping Johnson for the last year and gotten reamed for it. He’s not a good RB anymore. Hasn’t been since Herm broke him.

Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.

by UCrawford on Oct 11, 2009 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

they say "attitude is everything"

and if that’s true for RBs, then we all should know better than to expect anything positive from LJ – he was broken long before Herm got to town – Vermeil was right

Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!

by upamtn on Oct 11, 2009 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Charles needs to hang on to the ball

I think if Charles secured the ball better he would be playing a great deal. His propensity to fumble has made it hard for him to get playing time.

One more broken piece of the puzzle left by Carl. We traded Allen and kept LJ? What the heck!!!!

GBR24!!

by GBR24 on Oct 11, 2009 7:57 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Nobody Wanted Johnson

Our best chance to trade him was during his holdout before 2007 when he was still making a bargain contract. Once Peterson signed him to that new deal, we were stuck with him.

Well, not entirely true…Pioli could have cut him without penalty and saved the Chiefs some cash (which they could have spent elsewhere) but apparently couldn’t figure out the guy was not the 2005/2006 Larry Johnson anymore. Yet another gripe with Pioli’s offseason.

Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.

by UCrawford on Oct 11, 2009 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Allen Trade Is Looking Like A Disaster Though

If Charles pans out, it’ll be less of one, but so far it’s been a bust. And Allen’s had more sacks the last two years than our entire team.

Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.

by UCrawford on Oct 11, 2009 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can't Really Blame The Current Regime For Allen

Happened before they got here. But I’ve definitely got my concerns about Pioli’s scouting too.

Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.

by UCrawford on Oct 11, 2009 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did we change scouting?

Or do we have the same ones for the past 2 years?

by Wrestler189s on Oct 11, 2009 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I Think So

Not really sure…we didn’t go into coverage that deep at AP. But Pioli brought a lot of new people in to replace Peterson loyalists, and I’d be surprised if he hadn’t overhauled the scouting (as GM’s have their own preferences for players).

Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.

by UCrawford on Oct 11, 2009 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

There were changes made to the scouting department, but they weren't made until after the draft.

Pioli has brought in a lot of scouts from New England but since the hiring process for both him and Haley were so slow they used Carl’s old scouting department to prep for the ‘09 draft. Next year will be totally the new regime’s show.

Toby is in HR, which technically means he works for corporate, so he's really not a part of our family. Also, he's divorced, so he's really not a part of his family.

by Rev. Slappy on Oct 11, 2009 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ya i think we change scouting i remember hearing something that pioli

brang in his own guys for scouting. Its going to be a process but at this point i mean he is making chicken salad delight out of chicken shit

FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.

by sexassassin on Oct 11, 2009 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Playcalling

Whenever I see LJ take a shotgun draw (or a singleback handoff) without anyone in front of him, I punch myself in the nuts. Haley is going to make me go sterile (if he already hasn’t).

-cw

Watching the 2009-2010 Chiefs 12 hours ahead of you (in Taipei, Taiwan).
Twittering my every move. Don't act like you're not even slightly interested.

by webby37 on Oct 11, 2009 8:10 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

recd

FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.

by sexassassin on Oct 11, 2009 8:49 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Its in the numbers

LJ: 2.4 Yds/Carry..
Charles: 5.1 Yds/Carry
There were a lot of times today that werent Larry’s fault, but I cant help but think that Charles speed wouldve turned some of those plays into positive yardage.

I also thought it was funny how LJ found the hole in the Cowboys bench to sit down, but cant find the hole on the field.

by KCJayhawk on Oct 11, 2009 9:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

As UCrawford will tell you

I am a huge Larry fan..I’ve been backing him for a long time

But i trully think we need to give Charles the first reps and savage the 2nd amount of reps…I believe both of these guys have the ability to be threats with short passes as well..

Larry could be great with a better line..Charles is much better suited for our line..Plus we need to see what we hasve in charles.

by CALIFAN1986 on Oct 11, 2009 9:06 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

But I don't see LJ as "the problem"

The problem is the line

Can we actually do something about the fucking line this off season? How many years are we going to complain and do nothing about it? Seriously!

We need to address the line in Free Agency, and the first and secound rounds of the draft…Oh and we need to grab another WR playmaker either high in draft or in FA..

by CALIFAN1986 on Oct 11, 2009 9:08 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

He is not the Problem

The problem is our O-Line.

www.treasuretrooper.com/cashisnow

by Prospero15 on Oct 11, 2009 9:21 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

agreed the O-Line is a problem, but ...

after 3 qtrs of play LJ had 15 rushes for a grand total of 14 yards … there is no way you can pin that ENTIRELY on the O-Line – Cassel outgained LJ on scrambles alone until very late in the game, LJ is “done”

Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!

by upamtn on Oct 11, 2009 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I Don't Know Why People Refuse To See It

It’s not like we should be sticking up for the guy because of his classy and team-oriented personality. He’s a rotten human being and a terrible, washed up running back. He could be playing behind the best line in the NFL and he’d probably still be terrible because he’s got no burst. Throw him away.

Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.

by UCrawford on Oct 11, 2009 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

charles does need to get more touches no doubt

its not all larrys fault there is only one running back in the world that can run behind this jokes for an o line and thaat barry sanders thats it and even him he would have some trouble . and larry just isnt athletic enough to make something out of nothing . he is strickly down hill and there is no hill to run down he is just a crash test dummy at this point .

FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.

by sexassassin on Oct 11, 2009 9:47 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.

by sexassassin on Oct 11, 2009 9:51 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I think today showed Charles as the emergent starter

LJ is a terrible fit for this team. If he’s dealt elsewhere, he may have a short resurgence, but I don’t see it happening in KC.

Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!

by Buck'O on Oct 11, 2009 9:54 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

That being said

 the problems on Offense go way beyond LJ

Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!

by Buck'O on Oct 11, 2009 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I Don't Think He'll Even Have That

He had four good games last year and only one of them came against a good run defense. He feasted on bottom feeders in the other three and was terrible in most of his other games. I think the guy’s just done.

I may have been wrong about Johnson not being here this year, but I wasn’t wrong about how he shouldn’t be here this year.

Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.

by UCrawford on Oct 11, 2009 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

dim view brutha

but he is looking like you could stick that fork in him. Enjoy that Maibach LJ! There won’t be another one.

Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!

by Buck'O on Oct 11, 2009 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Old Is Old

Wishful thinking’s not going to turn back the clock on the guy.

Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.

by UCrawford on Oct 11, 2009 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was disapointed in Larry today

he looked as if he checked out completely. Sad.

by jonnyu on Oct 11, 2009 10:01 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

i think LJ looked slow today, but...

on the plays that he got to the edge or the second level he looked as fast as he ever has. he’s just not the kind of back that’s gonna shoot through non-existant holes; charles is, but his fumbling issues honestly make me cringe everytime he touches the ball. is that the kind of workhorse back you really want when we can’t afford to turn the ball over and still have a shot to win? i still like larry, i think something needs to change before he can start pounding the ball like he used to, blocking, stretching the field first, screen passes, i don’t know, but something. i’m also a little excited to see if kolby smith can do anything when he gets back after the bye

by E.C. on Oct 11, 2009 10:18 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Savage should be the featured back IMO.

He holds on to the ball and seems to be elusive enough to make something out of nothing. I still think LJ has a place at the goal line and in short yardage situations but he should not be lining up on 1st down…EVER!!!

by Chiefsfan1970 on Oct 11, 2009 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LJ seems more concerned with clubbing and screwing chicks at this point in his life

The guy was ferocious from 2004-2007..Couldn’t be stopped

He doesn’t run mad anymore.

by CALIFAN1986 on Oct 11, 2009 10:49 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

who isn't more concerned

with clubbing and screwing chicks??? ha… j/k….

by callmesir on Oct 11, 2009 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's Just Old

It was the 406 carries that did him in (just like that level of usage did to Terrell Davis, Earl Campbell, Jamal Anderson, Jamal Lewis and quite a few other backs). I suspect he really did work himself into good shape this season…he’s just got nothing left in the tank.

Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.

by UCrawford on Oct 11, 2009 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Up until today I thought he was the best option regardless of how old he is, but after today I’m on your side (just this once though!). There were several plays where he just fell down before he even got to the line. There was one play with a (rare) wide open hole; instead he ran in to a lineman. After the decent run outside to the right he looked a little energized, but it didn’t last.

by JComp11 on Oct 11, 2009 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It Happens To Every Player Eventually...Especially Running Backs

There are only so many carries that any RB has in him…and when you pile a bunch of them up in one season, it just brings the end on that much faster. Honestly, I believe that it’s the overuse from the 2006 season more than anything else that’s done him in. Running backs who get that much usage usually have problems coming back from it.

Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.

by UCrawford on Oct 11, 2009 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think you’re right. He took a beating for a couple seasons. The reason I didn’t have a problem with him going into the season is that I didn’t expect much. While it is nice, it’s not necessary to have a flashy RB. I thought LJ could handle four or five yards here and there, but he just can’t do it. I wish I had video of the game I would count how many times he just fell forward.

by JComp11 on Oct 11, 2009 11:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I Think He's Also The Kind Of RB At This Point Who Needs A Good Line To Open Holes

He just doesn’t have the speed anymore to break one outside the tackles and if there aren’t holes being opened between the tackles he’s pretty much screwed. And that’s the kind of line we have these days…one that doesn’t open many holes. So Johnson’s a terrible fit anyway, and pretty much every other team probably realizes this. So, fumbling aside, I don’t understand why he continues to get the lion’s share of carries while Charles sits on the bench (or Savage or Battle). Johnson’s a one-dimensional back at this point playing behind a line that takes that dimension from him…they need someone who has the ability to work around the line’s deficiencies.

Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.

by UCrawford on Oct 12, 2009 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LJ, it's time...

LJ has reached that stage of his career when he should no longer be considered a starter, but a role player. Father Time waits for no one.

by Special K on Oct 11, 2009 11:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree with most of your post.

However, I am in favor of starting Battle/Savage in place of LJ and adapting the offense to a two-back system. I think even some double back sets would give our offense some depth. LJ is done, I wrote him off a long time ago.

It is a new Era at Arrowhead. I do not yet know if it is one of greatness or one of ineptitude. I am excited to see which way it goes, and will support my team until the end, bitter or sweet!

by KC4Life on Oct 11, 2009 11:10 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Is this really a knock on LJ...

or on the coaching staff. I’m sure Haley knows that Charles is much more shifty. LJ just runs. He doesn’t call the plays. Give him a break.

by Ilamuku on Oct 12, 2009 2:30 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Listen up people!

Why are we continuing to blame LJ? Why do we continue to put the blame on any one player. I am currently sitting in the middle of Baghdad and watching my first Chiefs game in almost 2 years (because I am based in Texas). The biggest single thing I brought out of that game, and what the Cowgirls fans surrounding me also said last night was this… If the Chiefs had an offensive line the game would have been over at half time. Remember a few years back when we had an all Pro-bowl caliber O-line? Hmmm… Mediocre offensive players? Hmmm… 13-3 record? Hmmm…. Why do we continue you to deny the real issues and blame it on one individual? Larry’s best running is done in the middle, or am I wrong? Matt would not have to run for his life and get hit on damn near every play, God bless him. Imagine if Goff actually stood up on that blocked FG attempt. It does not matter who we start in the backfield, who our QB is, or who the men out running routes are. Until the organization can get us an offensive line, we are in a world of hurt. So please for the love of God stop putting blame on one very capable Larry Johnson.

P.S. When did Larry learn to catch?

by Chiefs Fanatic on Oct 12, 2009 4:12 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

We're Blaming Johnson

Because he’s been consistently terrible, and whether it’s the o-line or the passing game or his age/usage (or, as I believe, a combination of all three) he’s very unlikely to turn it around. Maybe he’ll have one decent game in there somewhere, maybe not, but in any case he’s no longer a part of the Chiefs’ future and shouldn’t be a part of their present if it’s keeping younger, faster players off the field.

And I think if you read through the comments most of the commenters have about the same take…very few blaming Larry Johnson entirely for the season, but most saying he’s not an asset any more.

Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.

by UCrawford on Oct 12, 2009 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who has denied that the oline is terrible? If this is the only thread that you have read then you have missed it, because it’s pretty much a consensus opinion that the line is terrible. And if Goff stands up on the blocked FG, it’s STILL a 53 yard attempt and no sure thing.

by JComp11 on Oct 12, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I said in the article I'm not blaming solely LJ

But LJ has been consistently bad, and he still gets more snaps than Charles. If this was a competition, then LJ should be losing the battle right? Just like Derrick Johnson was playing special teams only yesterday.

by TonylovesKC on Oct 12, 2009 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Trying...

to get a few of the folks to realize of who is actually to blame. I am not denying LJ has lost his step or that the younger guys need more touches. All I am saying is that the Chiefs fans need to get off Larry’s back and realize that it is not ALL his fault. Sorry for any confusion. I need to go get the real baddies…

by Chiefs Fanatic on Oct 12, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dont see how anyone could vote no..

LJ cant break am Arm Tackle anymore. A couple of times yesterday he should have ran right thru their line to the second level and didn’t because someone arm tackled him.

by darwithabar on Oct 12, 2009 10:31 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I voted Yes.

But, like many here I still think the problems are bigger than just LJ. The line seems to be getting a little better – I said “a little”. We still need major help here. Now, having said that.

I wanted to cut LJ before the season. But, then we started to see and hear all the positive press coming from him and about him. Since he was apparently motivated and had gotten into shape, I was willing to give him a shot – as long as his attitude problems didn’t resurface. I remained skeptical about that. I do think he has done great things with at least his public persona.

Unfortunately, I agree that it just doesn’t look like he has it anymore. A better line would help him but he isn’t going to be a big producer even with that, seems to me. I’m all for them giving Charles and the other guys a lot more work. Unfortunately, I don’t think they are really the answer either. We need to get a real runner this offseason.

Air Cassel - approved for takeoff

by kabrink on Oct 12, 2009 2:49 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I think

that Kolby Smith will be eligible after the bye week if he is healthy. He has looked pretty good the few times that he hasn’t been hurt. I agree that LJ doesn’t seem to have anything left. He looked good in the off-season & really seems to have “bought in” but he just ain’t cuttin it any more. If Smith returns to share duties with Charles, I think our RB situation will be a lot better off.

by ttownmikey on Oct 12, 2009 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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