Chiefs Players Impressed With Matt Cassel Despite Loss to the Cowboys
Despite a 26-20 loss to the Dallas Cowboys, several Kansas City Chiefs players came away either impressed with Matt Cassel or assured that he's the guy they thought he was.
Cassel ended the overtime loss 23/41 for 253 yards and two touchdowns. He did not turn the ball over and nearly led all Chiefs with 28 yards rushing (Larry Johnson led the team with 37).
Following the Chiefs final drive in regulation, I told a reporter next to me that this is why Cassel was brought on board.
His stats weren't incredible on that last drive completing only four of eight passes, but there was just something about him. The poise and sense of calm could be felt behind a glass window in the press box.
Late in the game, 3rd and 14, pressure mounting, all eyes on the quarterback. Cassel dropped back and hit Bobby Wade across the middle for 36 yards and a huge, huge shift in confidence. Suddenly, the Chiefs actually had a shot at this thing. The next play, Dwayne Bowe jumped what seemed like five or six feet in the air and hauled in a 17 yard pass to put the Chiefs inside the 20 yard line.
It's a ball game again.
"Nothing he does surprises me," Chiefs TE Sean Ryan said. "Great athlete, great guy and he's the leader of our team. Whether he had butterflies on the inside, he didn't show anything on the outside. Everyone feeds off of that kinda stuff."
And feed off it they did as Cassel ended the drive with a 16 yard strike to Bowe for the game tying touchdown.
"That was a great drive for us," Cassel said after the game. "The offense did a great job, the receivers caught the ball, we moved the ball down the field, we were able to push the ball down the field in terms of throwing the ball.
"It was a great drive. It gave us an opportunity to win at the end, and that's all you can ask for in this type of game."
Color Wade Smith not surprised by Cassel's performance. For the leader of the team, as Smith says, this is what's expected of him.
"I don't think I learned anything. He just confirmed what we knew about him," he said. "He's our quarterback and our leader. That's pretty much it. What he did today didn't surprise me. I don't know if it surprised you all, but it didn't surprise me. That's what he's for."
Wade Smith agrees with me: That's why they brought Matt Cassel on board.
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matty did impress me today with all the pressure comin down on him he stood tall had good poise and led us down the field and thats wat u want in a quaterback…wih that being said lets get him an offensive line and a couple more threats :)
by kcchiefsfan56 on Oct 11, 2009 5:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I Was Impressed With Him Too
He did a very solid job with very little help from his line. Hopefully he can build on it.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Oct 11, 2009 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Regarding the O-line
I think it’s time for Haley to stop with the musical chairs – he’s not going to find a significant upgrade at this point (or at least not with enough time to extract value in the rest of the season). He needs to settle on his starting five, and let them gel, and see if they can establish themselves as a unit.
That will let Cassel learn them to compensate for the weakensses, once he sees them consistently. It’s not like we’re going to win the AFC West, at this point – might as well play for pride, and see if there’s anything to build on.
Cassel vs. Thigpen in Camp should improve the play of both.
Linebackers: looking better
D-lineL slight improvement
O-line: WTF?!?
by Bleedingredandgold on Oct 11, 2009 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not a knock on Cassel, but ...
rather sad when QB scrambles are half of your team’s running game
Cassel did well last drive, no question … but the rest of the game was nondescript
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Oct 11, 2009 5:41 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
throws interceptions, makes terrible mental errors, checks out of the game = Aikman/Buck talk about him constantly.
doesn’t throw interceptions, shows poise and fire, makes clutch plays = “non-descript”
by jk86 on Oct 11, 2009 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you jk86
You saved me from using profanity and getting banned.
by nycchief on Oct 11, 2009 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't say he was terrible today, and last drive of regulation was awesome
that said, what totally awesome things did he do the rest of the game? how many sustained drives did we have, and of those how many were from the awesome passing game?
one thing I’d like to see Cassel do a bit is throw the ball away instead of eat it for a sack (when possible) … as for my comment of “nondescript” above, I can’t see how Cassel was anything but average over the course of the game as a whole … take out the last drive and what are the results?
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Oct 11, 2009 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What down falls of Cassell's game today
can you not attribute to the O-line play? Not like the guy had time and was just missing throws.
by vincent2668 on Oct 11, 2009 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And most of the time he is trying to scamble, just to get into a position to throw it away
by vincent2668 on Oct 11, 2009 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
He was running for his life all day.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Oct 11, 2009 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree to some degree
Cassel didn’t take over the game at any point, and I think that’s what up is trying to say. He did what we expected. He proved to be a competent quarterback. Most starting quarterbacks are nondescript except for those 4 or 5 guys that you have to plan all week for. Cassel isn’t at that point yet. Did he make any mistakes? Depends who you want to blame-qb, line, or wr’s, Did he show that he has the goods? Yes. But the best of the best get it done regardless of o-line trouble or shaky wr’s. Cassel was efficient and effective, but not enough to win the game. As the QB, you get a lot of criticism, some not deserved. Your performance is based on the team’s performance. He had some key plays. But he had difficulty passing to covered receivers and he did overthrow several guys (mostly on post and fly patterns). He needs to release the ball earlier and stop staring down receivers. Every QB makes mistakes in every game. These are simply the ones I noticed today. He’s not a stud yet. But he is showing a heck of a lot of poise and promise.
by 1kmilesfromkc on Oct 11, 2009 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cassel is our francise qb. Like 7 TD and 2 picks but...
Our team is ruining is record. Now he is 11-9. Our O-Line is also ruining his progress.
Bowe and Wade FTW.
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.
by NJChieffan16 on Oct 11, 2009 5:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think the O-Line is ruining his progress. Just hurting his results.
You could even say that once the O-line situation is corrected, he will be much better off having gone through this. If he was a rookie that never had much playing time, I might agree with you.
by vincent2668 on Oct 11, 2009 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The OLine will get him killed...
Saying the O-LIne isn’t ruining his progress is like saying eating McDonald’s every day won’t hurt your diet… At one point, Cassel had dropped back 35 times, been sacked three times and hit 21 times… Think about that for a second, at that point in the game, which was in OT, Cassel had only dropped back 11 times the entire game and not got hit… The fact this guy is still coherent to lead a drive at the end of this game is a testament to what kind of football player he is… I sure hope Pioli has a plan to build this oline, because once they get Cassel some protection and somone besides Bowe to throw to, who knows, they might generate a couple first downs to get into field goal range and win a game one of these days…
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by FredThreezy on Oct 11, 2009 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I completely agree that the O-line sucks
I’ve been saying that all along. I just think that if he can continue to play as he is behind this line, that in some twisted way it may result in even more success in the future once the Chiefs finally do put an O-line around him.
I just thing the word Progress, aplies to a young QB that is learning to play in the NFL. I think he has enough gametime experience from last year and this year to worry about having his growth stunted by playing behind this line. I agree…If he doesn’t get killed in the meantime.
by vincent2668 on Oct 11, 2009 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The worst part of watching the O-Line play today was seeing Brandon Albert getting beaten badly and consistently.
He needs to be a stud.
Toby is in HR, which technically means he works for corporate, so he's really not a part of our family. Also, he's divorced, so he's really not a part of his family.
by Rev. Slappy on Oct 12, 2009 2:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
people will come in here and bash him
but that guy is making plays. when we ask him to beat the defense, he typically does as long as he’s given a sliver of a chance at doing so.
by SillyHatDay on Oct 11, 2009 5:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
agreed…with this offense, he looks like Montana. If he was given half the weapons he had last year, we’d be scoring 24 pts minimum every game.
by jk86 on Oct 11, 2009 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Montana??
You mean like Joe Montana? Or the state?
Predictions for 2009:
LJ runs for 1800 yards
Bowe in the pro bowl
Chiefs D finishes in the top 10 in points allowed
Chiefs 10-6
by bonesjackson on Oct 11, 2009 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I mean this in a completely platonic way of course, but I fell in love with Matt Cassel today.
The guy got hit 22 times and was almost under constant pressure. He never quit and made plays when he had to. He showed poise and toughness and leadership. I can’t wait to see what he can do when he is surrounded by an upgrade in talent.
Toby is in HR, which technically means he works for corporate, so he's really not a part of our family. Also, he's divorced, so he's really not a part of his family.
by Rev. Slappy on Oct 11, 2009 5:49 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
yeah
thats the QB they brought over, he takes hits, and today he didnt hold it too long he just got hit anytime he threw it.
sure he missed some throws but once again, he brought us back with a TD like he did to Bowe in the oakland game to go ahead….thats twice he couldve walked out as the hero….
once the pieces are in place he will look better, and will make everyone better…I couldnt be happier with our star QB, and he wont be a guy that goes and gets in trouble, or taunts the opponents, hes a clean cut good guy that we can count on to lead this team.
Its a process…but we have a QB.
by SDChief on Oct 11, 2009 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought he was spectacular today.
He is leading an offense that can’t come close to running the ball, his line can’t protect him (he took a serious ass kicking today) and his receivers can’t get open. That he kept them in the game without winding up in a hospital bed was pretty remarkable.
Toby is in HR, which technically means he works for corporate, so he's really not a part of our family. Also, he's divorced, so he's really not a part of his family.
by Rev. Slappy on Oct 11, 2009 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I’ve been, not skeptical – but not convinced either.
Until today.
Cassell seems like he thrives in the more pressure situations toward the end of the game. That’s something we’ve been in dire need of.
I still want to see, wish I could say “more” – but really any – consistency on 3rd downs. That’s really entirely all Cassell though. Those 3rd and 22’s get tough to convert.
Chiefs - back in the playoffs in 2011.
by TRSChief on Oct 11, 2009 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
cassel has that clutch gene that I do believe some have and some dont....
and yeah our run game is badly messing up the pass game forcing 3rd and long for a team that lacks downfield threats, or really many guys that can catch the ball not named bowe or wade
by SDChief on Oct 11, 2009 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oops
Should be “That’s really not entirely all Cassell though.”
Forgot a not!
Chiefs - back in the playoffs in 2011.
by TRSChief on Oct 11, 2009 5:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
And now the donks
are giving the pats a run for their money. SMH
by GHOST OF DT on Oct 11, 2009 5:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
My first comment after the game.
Still same issues on O-Line. Keeps the whole offense on its heels.
Some issues with playcalling – the delay to LJ NEVER works. Put it on the shelf, until it’s a changeup, rather than a “We suck and this is the sort of thing sucky teams do” thing.
Clearly a beatable Cowboys team. But ebb and flow of offense and defense clearly in their favor. Leggett’s comin’ a LITTLE closer against the inside move, but still a liability. Carr once again shows he has the feet, head and eyes to cover the up route. Now he just needs to believe that the ball is HIS and meet it at its highest point when he has superior position on the WR – Austin TOOK that one away from him and it was CARR’s.
Cassel’s doing about as much as you could hope, under the circumstances. I confess I got excited when Goff was slow to get up, and it seemed like Cassel had more time without Albert and Goff than he had with his starters.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Oct 11, 2009 6:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Completely agree about O-Line
You could write and article about the O-line being the problem and just post it after every game. I do give Haley a little more slack then you. Just because I feel that if you give Cassell a pass, due to the O-line being Sooo bad. Then IMO you have to do the same with Haley and all other skill position players. I remember people thinking Al Sauders wasn’t very good his first year with no weapons and not so good O-line. (Talent situation wasn’t nearly as bad as it is now) But, once he got a line and pieces; Al Sauders became and offensive genius.
by vincent2668 on Oct 11, 2009 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dorsey looked great today.
Run D is starting to come together.
"What?!?! I aint no Obama for the weed!"
-Turk McBride
by HIV 2 Elway on Oct 11, 2009 6:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
what's with the WRs
they’re never open.
by SillyHatDay on Oct 11, 2009 6:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
They are open
Cassel just missed them.
Predictions for 2009:
LJ runs for 1800 yards
Bowe in the pro bowl
Chiefs D finishes in the top 10 in points allowed
Chiefs 10-6
by bonesjackson on Oct 11, 2009 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually...He's right.
To me, the difference seems to be that Cassel is used to his receivers getting huge separation so when he makes his initial read, he thinks his guy is covered. When he makes the clutch plays at the end of the game, it seems as though it’s not that the WRs are getting more open, it’s that he’s throwing balls that he normally wouldn’t. It’s great in the sense that he rarely throws INTS but, it sucks in the sense that he is missing opps in single coverage.
Regarding D-Bowe, I feel like Cassel needs to show a willlingness to throw the ball up and let Bowe go up and get it more often. He will almost always win the jump ball battle.He will rarely beat CBs with his speed but his size and jumping ability give him a definite advantage in clutch situations.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Oct 11, 2009 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and if he keeps throwing to Bowe, eventually that should open it up more for Wade or Pope
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Oct 11, 2009 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not open most of the time. Few time they are...Cassell is running for his life
by vincent2668 on Oct 11, 2009 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's a difference between being in single coverage and being open.
You have to be willing to throw the ball into single coverage. Especially with a guy like Bowe who can really fight for the ball. If you need an example see the play that Miles made on Carr where Carr had both hands on the ball and Austin still came up with it. Bowe could do that to even the best corners in the league.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Oct 11, 2009 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cassell Reminds me of Aaron Rodgers
Both were running for their lives, Rodgers threw for more yards but Cassell came thru in the clutch. Once we get some playmakers on both sides of the ball, well be good again.
by Ren on Oct 11, 2009 6:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Or reminds you of Fran Tarkenton
running for his life all the time.
by BCRavenJHawkfan on Oct 11, 2009 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well ill take Tarkenton too
Cassell was our best runner…sad
by Ren on Oct 11, 2009 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
cassel's hardest throw of the day
came in the fourth quarter – there he looked like aaron rodgers – but the difference was our reciever let it go right through his hands (bobby wade) – but wow, there was so spicy mustard on that ball. i thought cassel was awesome today, and never got rattled after getting hit 20 out of the 30 times he dropped back. just a sign of good things to come, first things first though, we need some big boys to give him time.
by CHIEFER on Oct 11, 2009 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I live in Los Angeles, so this is the first time I've been able to see them play this year....
Todd Haley did not look like the raving lunatic I keep hearing about. Did I miss something?
Toby is in HR, which technically means he works for corporate, so he's really not a part of our family. Also, he's divorced, so he's really not a part of his family.
by Rev. Slappy on Oct 11, 2009 6:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
5 losses will humble anyone
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Oct 11, 2009 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
a candidate for beatification
based on consistent and unceasing self mortification
The only measure of true success in the NFL is the Vince Lombardi trophy. Anything less is a rationalization.
by sm7600 on Oct 11, 2009 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he has totally toned it down the last 2-3 weeks
I think he is really working on it
by KCCheeze on Oct 11, 2009 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Know what I love?
All that money and he has the same record as a starter for the cheifs as Croyle. To lose, is to lose. Stay thirsty my friends
by vermonster on Oct 11, 2009 6:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
why would you love that?
By the way, they are the Chiefs. I before e except after c. Being a Chiefs fan, one would think that you’d know that already.
by ttownmikey on Oct 11, 2009 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was sarcasm.
Oh, sorry about the spelling, I should have known better. I like the Chiefs, just not a life-long fan like I am of the C-Boys. Just moved here from out of town, and like what they are doing. Have met Pioli and think he is a upstanding man who knows where he is going. Hopefully Haley can keep up. Just tired of my kids asking each week why a team would waste all that money for a QB who isn’t any better than Brodie Croyle.
by vermonster on Oct 11, 2009 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like Brodie
but there is really no comparison. Given the right circumstances, I think Brodie would make a quality QB but there isn’t enough talent to surround him with in KC. He can’t withstand the pounding that Cassel took today & Cassel has been able to lead us on 2 4th quarter drives to keep us in contention. He just has the intangibles that we have never seen in Brodie.
by ttownmikey on Oct 11, 2009 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he comes up with some clutch throws
but where was Bowe the first 3 qtrs? why can we not get him the ball more…he is stilla beast. And 1 thing about him that pisses me off more than anything is the delay of game penalties, where he is completely oblivious of the play clock…like he doesn’t even look to see how much time is on it.
by KCCheeze on Oct 11, 2009 6:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
My biggest (and, actually, only) beef with Cassel
is the number of quick, short passes when we need anywhere from 10-20 yards. And I’m not talking about dump-offs, I’m talking about quick delivery passes to the RB or WR for 4 yards, and not taking time to let anyone get further down the field.
Its very possible some of these plays are by design, just to get a few yards and punt the ball. But I feel like there are a few plays every game where he zips it in right away for 4 yards and a quick tackle, when he wasn’t right about to get hit and had to get rid of the ball.
Am I not seeing things correctly? I’m a Cassel fan and all that, I think he’ll be great, but I haven’t seen anyone else critiquing this over the last couple weeks and wonder if I’m just seeing things incorrectly. He’s not always going to get sacked by the time the receivers are 4 yards down the field, I wish more attempts were targeting receivers PAST the first-down marker.
Thoughts?
by thehulk on Oct 11, 2009 6:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
oh yea, I guess I have 2 beefs.
I’m with KCCheeze, above. What the hell w/ the delay of games? I hope he gives it to Haley the same way Haley dishes it out when that happens…assuming its because he’s not getting the calls into the huddle in time.
by thehulk on Oct 11, 2009 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he does throw some balls to bad reads
but the problem is he either holds onto the ball and gets sacked or he gets rid of it. I think it is a mix of him not getting enough time and the receivers not getting open.
I’m still not sure why we seem to forget about bowe in the first half of games
by KCCheeze on Oct 11, 2009 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The quick passes are because the pocket crumbles in 2 sec
by Ren on Oct 11, 2009 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That and they
are designed more for YAC & that isn’t happening.
by ttownmikey on Oct 11, 2009 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is the first time
that I’ll jump on the “this team is improving” bandwagon. The improvements were obvious. I really think we need to get Charles involved in the rushing attack MUCH more. I think a lot of the problems we’re having now actually go on the coaching. We’ve got to stop sending LJ up the middle so much. We’ve got to stop rushing on first down so much. We’ve got to stop running the draw so often. And we need to man up on third and long, and stop dumping the ball off on short yardage passes. I still believe the play-calling is atrocious. Haley lost that game with his play-calling in OT. There is one huge complaint that still remains with Cassel. He has GOT to get the ball out faster. I don’t think anyone will disagree with that. When the defense is clearly blitzing Cassel is not adjusting and going with his quick read enough. The argument to this is that he’s expecting the blitz to be picked up. That would suffice if we didn’t know how badly we are struggling in that area.
by KCMizzou on Oct 11, 2009 6:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Regardless
of whether or not he played well the fact remains that they lost, he didn’t play well enough and neither did anyone else on the team. They simply lack talent as a team. I don’t know of one pro bowl caliber player on this team, not one. Sure we hope Brandon Flowers or Dwayne Bowe can be those players but as the saying goes: “wish in one hand and sh*t in the other and see which one fills up faster.” This team has lost 28 of the last 30 games they played, that is astoundingly bad. Albert, Waters, Dorsey, LJ, DJ, Cassell need to be top tier talent for us to win and they simply are not. This team in its current formation is not going to be a winner, its simply not. I hear “oh we are improving, there are signs of life, they didn’t give up.” But you know what the fact remains they haven’t won a game since November 30, 2008, preseason or other wise! Blame it on the coach, blame it on the bad drafts, blame it on the players; it doesn’t matter because you know what? They are all correct, every last aspect of this team is below average and has been for a while now. I’m tired of watching my team find ways to lose games, my god have they found ways to lose games. Remember the Vikings preseason game, how bout the Bucs or Chargers last year or the Raiders a few weeks ago? How do you lose them all, how is that possible? Answer: this is a bad team plain and simple.
by Wildcat2180 on Oct 11, 2009 7:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
uh i tried that once
guess which hand was empty
by KCCheeze on Oct 11, 2009 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see improvemnet every week but....
its just not enough…I agree with the bad play calling, but i think a lot of the calls Haley makes is because he knows how bad his o-line is and he is trying to scheme the best way possible…. a draw play allows the d- linemen to get up the field a little then the running back runs right past them and is already on the second level…but with this line they are just allowing waaaay too much penatration for ANYTHING resembling a run to work…I think that Charles needs to be used a lot more and we need to run outside….he is fast enough to get to the corner(unlike LJ) and then he will be able to choose his own hole instead of trying to run through a hole that the O line is SUPPOSED to create. The defense has flashes of goodness, but still…we gave up 501 yrds today…not good enough…Leggitt should be in tackling drills all week every week…WRAP UP!!!…And im tired of seeing him get burned on the slant route 4 times a game for a first down because he is playing 10 yrds off the line…thats a coaches call….Cassell is a good QB, he just doesnt have time to let a play develop…we have downfield threats but he does not have time to let them get downfield…..overall it was a good game to watch, but in the end…we lost…AGAIN!…had a 10 point lead and we gave it up….97 yrd scoring drives, missed tackles, dropped passes, players out of position…u name it….the cowboys gave us plenty of opportunities to win that game today…we just dont know how to win with what we have talentwise…
by KCinAZ on Oct 11, 2009 7:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i agree with you
about the ‘bad’ play calling because of the bad O-line, also some of those conservative looking calls are because he’s trying to be unpredictable because he knows we can’t beat them straight up. he is also afraid to turn the ball over because then we’d have no chance against anyone.
by E.C. on Oct 11, 2009 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about the pass to LJ 7 yards behind the line at the 50 yard line in OT???
WTF was that? Really, all we needed was to pick up 15 yards or so to get into Succops range and we would have won. That was a freaking horrible play call. Where are Haley’s balls?
by Chiefsfan1970 on Oct 11, 2009 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah that was a terrible call
the one to charles a little later looked much better, but i doubt johnson is supposed to be 7 yards behind the line on that one
by E.C. on Oct 11, 2009 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well Said
I completely agree about the O-line hurting the play calling. Part of the reason for the draw play is also to slow down the pass rush. I think Haley knows that there is no way this team can line head up with a team and power at them. This is the same reason you see all the shotgun and trick plays on the goal line. I also, agree that if you are going to go with the draw plays…you need to go with Charles or Savage. That being said…you almost need to commit to them to get most of the snaps at RB. Because if you bring them in just for these plays the D will key on that.
by vincent2668 on Oct 11, 2009 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Imagine what he could do with a line
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by woodman212 on Oct 11, 2009 7:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Now we know what's wrong with the Chiefs...
They all are smoking CRACK!!
Just because he lead the team to last minute TD is not a reason to celebrate. For the 1st 55 minutes of the game, Cassel was horrible!!
by NFL season ticket holder on Oct 11, 2009 8:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
90% of Cassell's bad play can be directly pointed to the O-LIne
by vincent2668 on Oct 11, 2009 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He Made Chicken Salad Out Of Chicken Shit
Not particularly great salad, mind you…but edible.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Oct 11, 2009 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Stop Blaming the OL for everything..
The OL doesn’t throw the ball behind, over, in front of, any of our receivers. Nor do they hold the ball for an extra 2 seconds so they can be assured of a sack. The OL doesn’t stare down the receiver so the defense know where the ball is going and they don’t throw the ball 5 yards when they need 15 yards for a 1st down series after series. The OL also doesn’t call the same play where every defense coordinator in the league has studied your tendencies for 5 days. Don’t overlook everyone’s play including the QB.
by NFL season ticket holder on Oct 11, 2009 8:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That's the thing though. You give me a solid O-Line, and I'll give you
1. A QB who isn’t so hurried he can’t set his feet, which will reduce bad throws.
2. An OC who doesn’t have to call ridiculous plays like a draw on 3rd & 22 because the run game simply isn’t there.
Of course the O-Line isn’t the only problem. But we’ll never know if the other problems are truly Cassel’s or Haley’s until there is a solid unit up front. Same thing with our secondary today. Are we going to blame Flowers for Austin today? Everything cascades from the front lines. We need to prevent pressure on Offense and get pressure on Defense. You gimme that and we can have a serious discussion about our position players. Until then, I find it hard to take other criticism seriously.
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by Justin Bopp on Oct 11, 2009 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll blame the O-Line for all of it.
Insert whoever you think is the best QB in the NFL behind this line and you are going to get pretty much the same results. Insert whoever you think is the best NFL coach with this O-Line = same results.
What you don’t understand is that the cause of thows behind receivers/not making progresions to different receivers/not having a running game to take pressure off the passing game are all results of not having an O-line.
People with your thinking are the same people that run teams like the Lions and draft the best WR or RB or QB every year in the first round and fail to address the lines. Then wonder with all these skill position players – why they still finish last every year.
by vincent2668 on Oct 11, 2009 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Disagree Vincent...
There are teams with bad O-lines who find ways to be successful. Aaron Rodgers last week was a great example of that. That team has plays that are designed to get the ball out very quickly to their playmakers. I don’t see much of that from this offense at all. I don’t know if it’s Haley or Cassel but, he should take a couple of pages out of Green Bays playbook. Their O-line might actually be even worse than the Chiefs but, they still manage to move the ball very well.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Oct 11, 2009 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do think Cassel proved a lot today, but there is one lingering issue...
He holds the ball for SOOO long. This will be a great attribute when we get better receivers and a better line, but right now he’s missing that internal clock that will help both him and the team. He must learn to just throw it away.
We lost a LOT of yards today because he held it too long (even if that “too long” is less time than any other QB gets).
Right now it’s like this:
HIKE, STEP, STEP, STEP, CHECK 1, CHECK 2, CHECK 3, SACK OR SCRAMBLE, PASS.
Should be:
HIKE, STEP, STEP, STEP, CHECK 1, CHECK 2, PASS!
He doesn’t have the time to go to his third checkdown and his problem is that he was going through all of his checks and STILL not throwing it. If he gets through all three and still has time he just needs to throw it away. THROW IT AWAY!
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by Justin Bopp on Oct 11, 2009 8:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Its more like
STEP…SACK or SCRAMBLE…throw it up and pray
by Ren on Oct 11, 2009 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My thoughts exactly
I don’ t understand why we don’t throw underneath more often simple 3-4 yard passes lots of crossing underneath. I can’t figure out the play calling either, 1 & 20 we go to the run that is just dumb, how about a nice 3-4 year slant simple easy passes get in a rhythm and the line only need to protect for 2-3 seconds.
by AirForceChief on Oct 11, 2009 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If this guy was sitting in the pocket all day
then making bad throws or INTs I would agree. But, in Cassell’s case…having more then 3 or 4 plays a game in which he has more then 3 sec to throw, is a very rare situation.
I think is amazing he doesn’t have more than 2 INTs with all the pressure he constanly has and playing from behind from most of the games.
by vincent2668 on Oct 11, 2009 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If they aren't open they aren't open
So under your philosophy he would should throw into coverage just to prevent the sack? I’ll take a sack over an interception any day.
by Wildcat2180 on Oct 11, 2009 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, that's exactly what I said.
Or, you could acknowledge that I said the exact words “THROW IT AWAY” twice in the same post.
The simple conclusion that a sack is worse than an incompletion should be obvious.
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by Justin Bopp on Oct 11, 2009 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+100000
The O-Line is bad, don’t get me wrong, but Cassel holds on to the ball too long a lot. If you know your o-line can’t handle the blitz, or normal rushing, than you need to speed up your mental clock and get it out faster.
by T-Rich on Oct 11, 2009 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's an easier way of saying it. +1
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by Justin Bopp on Oct 12, 2009 1:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cassel is too scared of making mistakes to become a great QB in this league.
Just because a WR is drawing single coverage DOES NOT mean you can’t throw the ball to him. A great QB will put the ball where ONLY his guy can get it but, he WILL throw the ball. That’s the difference to me.
If he doesn’t grow a pair, he will NEVER become the guy we as fans want him to be. I’m not saying he should sling it with total disregard to the defense but, even the great QBs take risks occassionally.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Oct 11, 2009 11:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Because KC can’t afford to make mistakes at this point. They were barely hanging on in that game, what would have happened had Cassel threaded a pass and had it intercepted?!?
And thank you for telling us what a great Qb is. Why doesn’t KC just go get Brett Favre, he takes plenty of risks….
by T-Rich on Oct 11, 2009 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like I said, I don't want him to play with total disregard but...
you have to trust your WRs to make plays. Especially when you have a guy like Bowe who can beat damn near any corner in the league for a jump ball. Single coverage is practically the same thing as being open for a guy like him. High risks equal high reward and when your team is 0-5 there comes a time when you have to say “fuck it” and throw the ball around.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Oct 12, 2009 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
“Following the Chiefs final drive in regulation, I told a reporter next to me that this is why Cassel was brought on board.”
He was brought on board to completely fall apart at crunch time?
by LodeRunner on Oct 12, 2009 2:08 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
So you would define "falling apart at crunch time" as "driving the length of the field to tied the game in the final minute"?
Interesting, but not how most people would define that phrase.
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by Rev. Slappy on Oct 12, 2009 2:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not moving the ball from the 50 in overtime
was probably what the “crunch time” he was refering to.
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Oct 12, 2009 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm supprised
Matt Cassel’s vibes didn’t shatter the glass in the reporters box. He was Awesome. everybody else was bad.
by choirboy on Oct 12, 2009 11:49 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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